I’m not American, and I don’t know exactly what the legal differences are between “indicted”, “charged” and “accused”.
When is he going to be put in handcuffs and detained in a jail cell like a normal person would be if they were suspected of committing a crime (like stealing a handbag for example) but not convicted yet?
12 jurors will decide on his guilt (the standard is proof beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case) after reviewing evidence during his trial which will probably happen next year. If found guilty, the judge will choose a sentence that’s within guidelines outlined in law. Then he’ll be pardoned by the next Republican president.
The jury selection process will need to be particularly thorough for this trial to avoid a bias one way or another. It would be interesting to hear what questions they ask of potential jurors.
Trump has such a large fanatical following that it’s almost certain the next Republican president will use a Trump pardon as a poker chip for gaining party support on whatever plan he needs pushed.
So personally I think it’s almost certain Trump will be pardoned.
But it’s possible he could die in prison before that happens.
The real weirdness happens if he is found guilty under state charges (in New York) and wins the presidency. The federal president can’t pardon state charges - he would take the oath in prison!
I’m not American, and I don’t know exactly what the legal differences are between “indicted”, “charged” and “accused”. When is he going to be put in handcuffs and detained in a jail cell like a normal person would be if they were suspected of committing a crime (like stealing a handbag for example) but not convicted yet?
He is getting slightly better than normal rich person with expensive lawyer treatment.
America, as a pure service economy has prices for bribery and extortion as well as minimum service levels for the legal system. If you pay for economy (with your life) you get a defense attorney appointed by the state who sits across from the judge and DA you’re going to have to deal with, and has lunch with them, or makes deals in the bathroom… They’ll fight to make sure their life doesn’t get disrupted a whole lot and they can keep defending the endless stream of defendants.
The middle tier is the “hire a reptable firm, and get a junior associate” level of service, that’s where you get someone who’s overworked, and desperately trying to keep all their partner’s cases going, and they can spend 1/10th of their time on your case, they don’t have any worries about not having a job though so they can dedicate the time in court to defending you.
The top tier is the “hire a reputable firm, and you get a named partner” they care about their reputation, and make sure they only take cases that will make them look good. And they look good by doing the best damn job they can in front of the cameras, in their filings, and in front of their client. You get the white glove treatment, and 90% of the time of the junior associates helping the partner.
It’s no wonder why you typically only get the “Go home and sleep it off” result from an indictment from the highest tier of service.
The difference between “charged” and “indicted” is who finds probable cause that you committed a crime. If it was a prosecutor, you are charged. If it’s a jury, you’re indicted.
Accused, legally speaking, is a noun meaning a person who has been arrested for or charged with a crime
Money seems to be the difference. I’ve been through the legal system and let me tell you that I wouldn’t be out campaigning if I had three indictments. I’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trial or a plea deal. The fact that he has been spared the same humiliation that anyone else would have been is a crime in and of itself.
Money and support from top and bottom. Rich assholes are supporting him as well as his cult. His biggest asset is probably his ability to sell himself to the ignorant. People criticize his way of speaking, but it’s very effective with the toddlers he’s appealing to.
I am so relieved that the special prosecutor is defending the rule of law with these indictments. If the Republicans (and not just Trump) got away with trying to overturn the election we could lose our democracy. We still can, but at least they are going to trial against this would-be tyrant and some of the people who helped him.
You kinda already did when the founding fathers wrote checks and balances into the constitution conveniently forgot that political parties are a thing.
There are no checks and balances if the ones that are supposed to check and balance you are on your team.
Please be mindful about spreading false information that may be potentially traumatic. This triggered my ptsd from the fatality from gun violence at the capital on January 6th.
I have to apologize, my initial read on that was that it was sarcastic. Like that whole right wing way of derailing a conversation by using the correct terminology of empathy in the wrong way at the wrong time on purpose because they think it's funny. And then the "whudabout teh tolerant left?!" cry.
Reading it again, I can see that it could be sincere. I think it's just an unexpected response to a news story on a public forum (as opposed to, say, a private conversation with friends), and that's why I read it wrong in this particular context. There's been a recent increase in conversation derailers that has me on the lookout for them
This issue is fueled by insecurity and ego on the part of business management. They don’t get to grandstand in front of a room of people and it’s killing them. We’ll come to the office when it’s convenient for us or they can pick up the tools and have a go at this work. We’ll find some other place that values our work as specialists, not seat warmers in some dismal office block. The CEO-manager class of people can eat my refuse.
Also, a lot of them are paying for spaces that aren’t getting utilized to full capacity. I’ve noticed here in the states that many companies are clearing out whole floors and starting to rent them out to smaller companies to even out the cost a bit since they can’t seem to convince anyone that the office is better.
FYI, article has been updated to indicate it might have been a false alarm. Article uses the term “bad call”…
Police found no shooter and no one injured after reports of a possible active shooter in the U.S. Capitol complex on Wednesday after a possible “bad call,” Washington Metropolitan Police Department spokesman Hugh Carew said.
If somebody is actually dumb enough to do that then they’re probably dumb enough to do it from the personal phone. So this shouldn’t exactly require Sherlock Holmes to investigate.
0 days since we’ve actually made an example of those J6 traitors instead of giving them just a slap on the wrists, and somehow we are surprised they might try it again.
When they finally catch this latest lunatic, chances are he’ll get a months in prison. He’ll be out for the next election cycle!
Hell, other countries hand out much more severe (i.e. lethal) punishments for traitors. It is a shame the US doesn’t as well.
If you look at a lot of these cases, these people are more mentally ill than true traitors; the leniency vs harshness often takes that into account (dumb person following the crowd and doing something typically out of character vs someone with clear hostile intent). The true traitor is the orange man.
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