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athos77 , in Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online

I looked at the indictment last night and noticed it included the names of the grand jurors. I dropped my head into my hands, knowing this was inevitable. I don't understand why the names weren't reacted.

TransplantedSconie ,

No way. How stupid can you be lol

kool_newt ,

As I understand this is the law of the state, it would’ve been illegal to not make the names public. The reasoning is based on transparency – secret jurors would make for less trust.

TransplantedSconie ,

Well, I hope the state is prepared to spend a shitton of money on protecting these people. Trump supporters aren’t the most stable of people.

RojoSanIchiban ,

See: FISA

Basically the “kernel of truth” that gave us deep state idiocy.

4am ,

Georgia law is that grand jurors names are public.

Yeah, pretty naive. Or evil. Maybe both?

athos77 ,

I didn't know that. I wish they had a process for applying to redact, for cases like this :(

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Do you in GA whether grand jurors are professionals or pulled in for random jury duty?

peopleproblems , (edited )

Pretty sure grand Jurors are professionals in most if not all common law states.

A couple of the peoples titles on the list pointed me towards that they are.

Edit: I’m pretty certain I’m wrong. There’s something else I must be confusing it with

surewhynotlem ,

It prevents loading the jury to get a specific outcome. That said, it should come with protection or a delay or something.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer ,

Not saying it is, but showing me, a regular citizen, these names convinces me the jury wasn’t loaded? Does the defendant have no role in Grand jury selection?

DoctorWhookah ,

No, the defendant doesn’t. This isn’t a trial jury, it’s the Fulton County Grand Jury. The GJ sits for an extended period (maybe a month, someone step in and correct me if I’m wrong) and listens to cases brought by the prosecutor. The GJ job is to decide if the prosecutor has enough of a case to indict. It seems in this case, she did.

somethingsnappy ,

Just to clarify, the sitting grand jury does not then sit on the jury for the trial.

Vorticity , (edited )

That’s generally right. In Fulton County they sit for two months. There were two different grand jurys here, though.

There was a Special Grand Jury who met for 8 months and investigated the specific crimes related to the Trump case. They issued a report in January detailing all of the evidence that they heard.

In GA, though, a Special Grand Jury can’t issue an indictment. The report was passed to a normal grand jury who heard all of the evidence, then issued the indictment. That grand jury was first seated on July 11th.

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Infynis ,
@Infynis@midwest.social avatar

There’s all kinds of laws like this that are super old, and really harmful in modern life. Like name changes having to be published in the paper, and home ownership being public information. Sorry trans people, if you want to legally change your name, you have to be out to everyone! And don’t even think about buying a house if there’s someone you don’t want knowing where you live, like an abusive family member or ex!

They’re left over from times when information was harder to come by, and they absolutely need to be changed, but our governments are bad at legislating for modern problems

afraid_of_zombies ,

And don’t even think about buying a house

Well that is a problem that is fading away.

Wooki ,

Maybe for you.

NoSuchNarwhal , (edited )

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  • afraid_of_zombies ,

    In that case our government has failed to do this. Who owns your mortgage? It was repackaged into a mortgage backed security with thousands of owners. Who owns that commercial property that has been sitting idle for thirty years? Owned by nested shell companies.

    Another reason why mortgaged backed securities should be criminalized.

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  • afraid_of_zombies ,

    Very well. Please pick a property not paid off on your block and tell me every single owner, including people who own a millionth of a percent of it via 401ks. I want names, precents, legal terms that they are operating under, and purchase date(s). I will except CSV format only.

    NoSuchNarwhal ,

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  • afraid_of_zombies ,
    socsa ,

    A mortgage backed security is a structured debt derivative contract which is backed by the cash flow of the loan, via the issuing bank. It doesn’t actually grant any ownership rights to the underlying asset itself.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Fancy words for it is a share of ownership with an abstraction layer for bailouts.

    NuPNuA ,

    Home and land ownership is public in most countries, it’s an important thing to have transparency on.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    🤔 Is it possible for an abuse victim to buy a house through an LLC to avoid that problem? How does that work for real estate businesses?

    Infynis ,
    @Infynis@midwest.social avatar

    It is actually! I have a friend who’s dad is extremely libertarian (despite having been a marine?), And he bought his house under an LLC for pricacy’s sake. I’m sure it would work for less crazy reasons as well

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    There needs to be a nonprofit that helps victims set up such things so they can hide from their abusers.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Interesting. I wonder if you could buy a home zoned for single family, sell it to a LLC that you run, then rent it out to two families (if one is your own) since it is now commercial rental.

    Infynis ,
    @Infynis@midwest.social avatar

    From what I’ve read, living in a house you buy yourself makes it lose most of the protection of an LLC, because you have “pierced the corporate veil”. All it really ends up doing is protecting your identity

    Katana314 ,

    Unfortunately, while you’re citing lots of very valid cases of innocent people being victimized, I also think that the trail of information that follows people is very important for systems of justice.

    Imagine criminals getting away with white collar crime, having changed their name to make it more difficult for people to publicly scrutinize them.

    I can’t quite imagine what protections might make sense to keep trans people safe, and it’s hard for me to think about which group should be prioritized. Of course, ideally, we’d live in a world where anyone retaliating to someone’s gender transition would be headed for a hard time themselves.

    CeruleanRuin , in Report on Anti-Gay Slur Could Put Local News Site Out of Business

    In case like this, the loser should be forced to pay legal fees of both parties. It’s fucking ridiculous that someone can be forced to pay that kind of money because of such a spurious abuse of the judicial system.

    vinylshrapnel , in Kansas newspaper to regain items seized in controversial police raid

    This has the be an open and shut 1st amendment violation case right?

    Dee ,
    @Dee@lemmings.world avatar

    It probably would be if not for qualified immunity for police officers. I’m not a lawyer but I’m not holding my breath on the officers or judge facings consequences for this heinous act.

    whiskeypickle , in Kansas newspaper to regain items seized in controversial police raid
    @whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml avatar

    yeah, I’m sue they’ll all be in perfect condition, too. nothing smashed, no hard drives mysteriously erased or “dropped”… oh, and can they bring that old lady back to life? no? yeah, well… it’s just a life, right?

    monsters…

    athos77 ,

    I'm also sure the police chief didn't poke at the computer to get the names of the people who've been making sexual assault allegations against him.

    whiskeypickle ,
    @whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml avatar

    boy, I hope they had, at least, some encryption on their devices…

    Zapdrive , (edited ) in Girl, 13, gives birth after she was raped and denied abortion in Mississippi

    a man came into their front yard while she was making TikToks outside while her uncle and sibling were inside and assaulted her. Ashley said she did not know who the man was and that no one witnessed the attack.

    Really now? Getting r-ped in the front yard of your house, in broad daylight, while there’s people inside? The girl must come up with something more convincing. I think the mom just came up with the story to be able to get an abortion legally, because in most states incest and r-pe are the only exceptions to the abortion ban. That’s why some conservatives are against these exceptions, because women will lie about getting r-ped to get an abortion. Police should collect the child’s DNA. The father will show up in a database sooner or later.

    Edit: yea, just keep down voting like cowards without giving a counter argument, cuz you don’t have one!

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

    @Zapdrive @MicroWave

    Are you assuming the front yard had no shrubs or bushes that someone could hide in?

    Pfft.

    Zapdrive ,

    Seems like you watch too many movies.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

    @Zapdrive

    Seems like you ass-u-me too much and too often.

    elbarto777 , in Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online

    This could be either a great time to be an FBI agent - or the worst time.

    yukichigai ,
    @yukichigai@kbin.social avatar

    Imagine becoming a fed because you want to uphold the law and chase down bad guys, figuring you're going to be tracking down drug dealers and human traffickers and mafia goons, and instead you get tasked with running down Karen and Cletus who decided to firebomb a house based on something they read on RealTruthPatriotNewsDaily-dot-net.

    Hubi ,

    Imagine the briefings with everyone just sitting there with their heads buried in their hands

    Protoknuckles ,

    Just heavy sighing, the sound of liquor being poured into a glass at 9am and every so often, a truly exasperated “fuuuuuuuuuck!”

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    The FBI agents I feel for are the ones that have to go on sites like 4chan or whatever other social media sites the rightwing thinks is safe.

    F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime

    F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime

    F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime

    F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime

    F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime

    F4 Wait! Ok never mind. Not a crime…

    Then once a week they finally get Jethro or Jayden the basement dweller.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    A guy I work with has a masters in engineering degree, graduated with honors, went to a school that is world known for engineer was telling me how he spent two days sorting out the parts numbering scheme in the database. He has to do it twice because upper management changed their mind after he finished the first time.

    Your dreams and mileage may vary.

    Tbird83ii ,

    I mean, if your masters in the database engineering… Kinda goes with the territory…

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Mechanical. Also WTF how is that a degree? Who in their goddamn mind would study this!?

    OCATMBBL ,

    RealTruthPatriotNewsDaily-dot-net.ru

    lolcatnip , (edited ) in Some abortion drug restrictions are upheld by an appeals court in a case bound for the Supreme Court

    Three Federalist Society judges. I wonder how they’ll rule. /s

    Edit: They ruled just the way I expected.

    Nougat , in Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online

    Faster. Go to trial faster.

    negativenull ,
    Cleverdawny , in Some abortion drug restrictions are upheld by an appeals court in a case bound for the Supreme Court

    Yeah but just imagine how terrible it would have been to have Hillary Clinton as President /s

    rez_doggie , in Kansas newspaper to regain items seized in controversial police raid

    No justice, no peace.

    HawlSera , in Ron DeSantis Says He Has “Moved On” And Disney Should Drop Its Lawsuit Against Him

    “Look I murdered your son like a decade ago. If he were still alive he’d be old enough to drink at this point, let’s just drop the charges and accept that life goes on… just not for your son…”

    MicroWave OP , in Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online
    @MicroWave@lemmy.world avatar

    “It’s becoming all too commonplace to see everyday citizens performing necessary functions for our democracy being targeted with violent threats by Trump-supporting extremists," Jones said. "The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence— is shameful.

    And there’s also this:

    Yesterday — after Trump posted on his social media website that authorities were going “after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!” — Advance Democracy noted that Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    Advance Democracy noted that Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.

    Classy as ever

    Acronymesis , (edited )
    @Acronymesis@lemmy.world avatar

    The instant I saw the word “RIGGERS” in his bitch ass post yesterday, I knew exactly what it actually meant. Just more dog whistling fog horn blasting racism from The Cheeto Mussolini. 😡

    dual_sport_dork ,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.

    How to get your ass kicked by A/V professionals, 3D animators, and pirates… all in one fell swoop!

    JustZ ,
    @JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t forget shipbuilders, pipefitters, and crane operators.

    eestileib ,

    Many navy vets too.

    OkToBeTakei ,

    Jones said. "The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence— is shameful.”

    this is the worst part, the most disingenuous garbage, and what makes fighting agains this even harder.

    REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP WANTS AND SUPPORTS THIS

    the sooner we all acknowledge this and treat Republicans - collectively - as the FASCIST THREAT that they are, we all will lose.

    SIGSEGV ,

    Uh, I think those that are inclined have already acknowledged this. The others are very likely a lost cause, if this recent spate of reporting hasn’t convinced them that Trump is a freaking manipulator and crook. Where do we go from here? I don’t know how so many extremists could possibly just, you know, stop being so extreme. Naively, a civil war could fix the issue, but that is the last thing we need–war is never the answer.

    LarryTheMatador ,

    Where do we go from here. Step 1. Name the problem. Fascism Step 2. Admit we have a problem. Weve allowed fascism to infect the united states Step 3. ??? Id suggest we look at history and start listening to brightest minds on this subject.

    SIGSEGV ,

    It is crazy that this isn’t a United States problem, either. All one has to do is look to Australia, Canada, and the UK to see that fascism is rampant. I’m looking for those brightest minds, because I’m certainly not one of them.

    LarryTheMatador ,

    I think trumpism metasticized globally. I think “conservatives” were always waiting for a strongman cult of personality leader like a sleeper terrorist cell and trump provided a global roadmap.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    The next step is breaking away from them completely and building an alternate economy they’re not allowed to participate in. Left only banks and stores and whatnot.

    If you all don’t, the right will simply take over the institutions you think will serve everyone fairly and boot you out of it, just like they did the judiciary.

    GreenMario ,

    “we are all domestic terrorists”

    grue ,

    "The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence— is shameful.

    Charge every Republican politician who fails to publicly denounce them as an accessory to whatever crimes get committed against these grand jurors.

    Im14abeer , in MTG eyes Trump VP or cabinet slot

    Please, please, please, please Mr. Trump make her your running mate, please, please, please!

    DougHolland , in Travis King: North Korea says US soldier fled because of racism in army
    @DougHolland@lemmy.world avatar

    North Korea seems an odd place to escape to, especially after this poor schmo delivered “a profanity-laced tirade against Koreans.” But what the heck, I’m not offended by his defection, treason, wanderlust, whatever you call it.

    I sincerely wish him a happy life in his new home.

    Burn_The_Right ,

    He didn’t actually say any of these things. A notoriously dishonest conservative dictator did. It is very unlikely that any of it is true.

    DougHolland , in FBI agent says Biden transition team, Secret Service were tipped off on 2020 plans to interview Hunter Biden
    @DougHolland@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not interested in anything from Fox News, same as I ignore most of what my drunken uncle says and does.

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