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WhyDoesntThisThingWork , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

I would love this to be true, but when it comes down to it, I think most of that 63% will make payments as expected. This is just something they can tell a surveyor to make themselves feel better unfortunately.

Sterile_Technique , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Wouldn’t our wages just get garnished or shit repo’d or something? I’m 100% for forgiveness cuz fuck that predatory shit, but this route seems like a guarantee to just exacerbate harm to the borrowers.

wintermute_oregon ,

Nothing will be repoed. They may garnish your wages but at the end of the day, there is no collateral.

cbarrick ,

Garnished wages is still a huge problem.

Student loans are not forgiven in bankruptcy.

The federal government will garnish borrowers wages until they are paid, even if the borrower is bankrupt.

wintermute_oregon ,

They look at your wages and expenses. I knew a dentist who got garnished 10 dollars a month. That’s all he could afford.

You can’t take blood from a turnip

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck now I want turnips.

mrnotoriousman ,

Jan Jansen?

wintermute_oregon ,

I went to a place and picked some the other day. Ironically picking your own vegetables is more expensive than buying them.

jpreston2005 ,

i applied for income based repayment program 3-4 different times, always denied. I was making around 2k/month, and they wanted me to pay $1000/month. after getting rejected the third or fourth time, I just stopped even attempting to handle the debt in good faith.

wintermute_oregon ,

That is insane. I don’t think college should be free but it needs to be less expensive. It shouldn’t cost an arm and leg to go to college and cost more than a car. I strongly support a subsidized school system that is reasonably priced. Free just means fewer people would be able to go. That is how most other countries handle the situation. I want everyone to have access to a low cost education to better themselves either for a job or just for personal enjoyment. I am always taking college classes but it has become a strain on my budget.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

@wintermute_oregon @jpreston2005

Why shouldn't it be free? I mean if businesses are making A LOT of money from the labour of those who've paid extraordinary amounts for their education - and are no where near providing equal compensation for that labour - then businesses should be paying for ALL education.

wintermute_oregon ,

I explained why it shouldn’t be free. We would have to limit the number of students like the rest of the world does to control the cost. We would close it off to only the brightest and most people would be excluded from a college education. That is how most countries handle college. Only the best get to go and the rest go to trade school or just work other jobs. I want people here to have the chance to better themselves. That is the American dream.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

@wintermute_oregon

Why would we have to limit the number of students?

edit to add -- If businesses are paying ALL education costs there's no reasons whatsoever to limit education.

wintermute_oregon ,

Then why isn’t anyone else in the world doing it ? Because unit isn’t cost effective.

Also it isn’t the role of a business to pay for everything you want. That would bankrupt most companies overnight.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

@wintermute_oregon

There are actually 24 countries that have free college education.

https://financesonline.com/free-college-education-statistics/

wintermute_oregon ,

They don’t offer it to everyone. I’ve already addressed that. They control the numbers by standards. Something we don’t do in America.

A good example is Sweden. Their students come out owing almost as much as the average American.

www.bustedcubicle.com/advocacy/student-debt#:~:te….

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

@wintermute_oregon

Then do what Canada does.

It's not that hard to find a better way than what America does now.

wintermute_oregon ,

Canada is similar to us.

blog.gitnux.com/student-debt-in-canada-statistics….

28k vs 37k with a us worker may more than the Canadian and paying less in taxes. So it’s a wash

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

@wintermute_oregon

The first link you posted says

"Canada’s policies regarding student loans are similar to those in the US but injected with a small dose of compassion and critical thinking. The federal government provides up to 60 percent of a student’s tuition through the Canadian Student Loan Program (CSLP), while private lenders pick up the rest of the bill. All student loan payments are suspended until a student graduates and earns at least 25,000 CAD annually."

https://www.bustedcubicle.com/advocacy/student-debt

wintermute_oregon ,

That’s similar to ours. You don’t pay until you’re done. We don’t have a lower income range but 25k isn’t very much money. That’s below minimum wage in Canada.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

@wintermute_oregon

Canada does not have a national minimum wage.

I know that because I live here.

edit to add -- ... and my income last year was less than $15k.

wintermute_oregon ,

You have a minimum wage per province, correct?

nerdwallet.com/…/canada-minmimum-wage-explained#:…

College should be affordable and available. It used to be college kids word during the summer to pay their expenses during the college year. I don’t think that is feasible nowadays.

I also think we need more trade schools. Not everyone needs a degree. We need plumbers, electricians, etc as well.

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grue ,

Only the best get to go and the rest go to trade school or just work other jobs. I want people here to have the chance to better themselves. That is the American dream.

But they would have the chance to better themselves, by having good enough scores to get in. That’s what “chance” means. What you’re really suggesting is that everybody be guaranteed college, which is hardly the same thing.

More to the point, sending everybody to college is a waste and does a disservice both to society and the less-college-inclined individuals who otherwise wouldn’t have gone. We need more people learning actual useful skills like plumbing and welding and whatnot, and we don’t need them wasting years of their life earning a bullshit diploma-mill* bachelor’s degree that they’ll never use and would only serve to inflate the requirements for job applications.

Besides, if you want the baseline level of education to change from K-12 to K-16, just say that instead.

(* And they are bullshit diploma mills, because if the people we’re talking about were capable of completing a rigorous curriculum, they’d have succeeded under the merit-based system you’re decrying to begin with.)

wintermute_oregon ,

I am suggesting no such thing. I have never suggested guaranteed college for anyone. What I have said is college should be affordable and available. You may be confusing me with the previous person who wants free college for everyone. I don’t support that.

grue , (edited )

I’m not confusing anything. You are advocating that people be given “the chance to better themselves,” but apparently failing to understand that a free college system with admissions limited by merit accomplishes exactly that: to give everyone a chance to show sufficient merit to get in!

By rejecting a merit-based system, you’re actually advocating that everybody be able to go to college even despite failing their “chance,” which sure sounds like a guarantee to me!

wintermute_oregon ,

I have never advocated for free college. I am not sure why you keep saying that. I said college should be affordable. I’ve clearly stated I do not think it should be free.

Once again I never said guaranteed but available. That’s how I system works now. We have community colleges, colleges and universities.

People can go through the system based on their ability.

In many countries If they miss a window, that’s it. We don’t have that here and it’s a good thing.

grue ,

I have never advocated for free college. I am not sure why you keep saying that.

I’m not saying that. You’re the one trying to put words in my mouth, not the other way around. If you think that’s incorrect, prove it by quoting me.

Once again I never said guaranteed but available. That’s how I system works now. We have community colleges, colleges and universities.

Fine; we’ll pretend for a moment that non-merit-based “availability” is somehow different from a “guarantee” of admission. Either way, it’s way more misguided and harmful to society than free college with limited admissions based solely on merit!

Again, having everybody get a college degree just for the sake of inflating expectations such that even shitty sales-clerk-type jobs require them as a baseline for consideration does nobody any fucking good! Neither society, nor the degree-holding sales clerks themselves. So what do you hope to accomplish by it?

The people who can’t get in to college in a limited-admission merit-based system are precisely the ones who are better off not going. This ridiculous “everybody needs to go to college” expectation has created an entire generation of people who are screwed because they wasted half a decade getting useless degrees only to end up with barely mediocre jobs anyway, when they would have been BOTH HAPPIER AND MORE SUCCESSFUL doing the “blue collar” work the dipshit high school guidance counselors warned them away from!

A lot of the borderline-suicidal sales clerks in this thread should’ve become welders etc., but didn’t because of attitudes like yours.

P.S.: The notion that people learning a blue-collar skilled trade is somehow incompatible with them “hav[ing] the chance to better themselves” is ridiculously classist. You should be ashamed of yourself for that.

wintermute_oregon ,

You keep stating things I never said.

I said college should be available and you switch to merit. I’ve never said merit shouldn’t be favored in.

Since I never advocated for everyone to having a degree. I’m not sure why you’re asking me. Sounds like if you’d actually read what I said, you’d realize you’re repeating what I said.

What I said is we need to have more trade schools to allow people to become carpenters and plumbers.

afraid_of_zombies ,

We shall see. The court battles could rage for decades.

Zuberi ,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

They can’t force you to give them money you don’t have. Just leave the country.

thenerdjournals ,

yes, I will use the money I don’t have to leave the country. 🧠

Zuberi ,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Read my other comments on it. You can get money from the gov (well more than enough to leave)

grue ,

Where are you going to get the money or skills to get some other country to accept you, though? If you had those, you wouldn’t be trying to leave (at least for this reason) in the first place!

Zuberi ,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

This is a fictional situation where a person loaned money to go/finish school. If you went to school, have a shit ton of debt, AND don’t want to do anything to improve, sure.

Plenty (PLENTY) of countries take Americans no questions asked. The tough ones to get into are the ones that check your skin color before entry. But for those in particular, just be white and you’ll likely get in anyway. Such is life :/

grue ,

It’s not a question of getting in; it’s a question of getting in with the kind of visa that allows you to work and being allowed to stay long-term.

For example, even a white engineer like me would have trouble immigrating to somewhere like New Zealand without already having an employer lined up beforehand. The relevant type of visa isn’t even accepting new “expressions of interest” right now, LOL.

Zuberi ,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Using a tiny-ass country as an example of tough immigration is disingenuous. Plenty of places will take you. Open your mind.

grue ,

I’m reasonably confident that Canada, Australia, the UK, and Ireland (i.e. the rest of the wealthy English-speaking countries that an American would most likely want to go to), along with the rest of western Europe, have similar restrictions.

CADmonkey ,

If enough people refuse to pay, the courts can’t keep up.

marmo7ade ,

A building doesn’t garnish your wages. It is a keyboard stroke.

siph , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

I’ve been boycotting mine for years.

Reverendender ,

You know, I think you just convinced me.

Lt_Worf , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

I think this is an example of what people say in surveys being drastically different than what they’ll do in reality.

MeetInPotatoes ,

Today’s phrase is “garnish your wages.” If their protest doesn’t involve moving to another country it’s not going to happen. I’ve thought about it too, but my contingency,for that definitely involves moving to Scandinavia.

bobs_monkey , (edited )

Ah bullshit. Civil rights weren’t achieved by threatening to leave and not be the oppressor’s problem anymore, they were achieved by standing ones ground damned the consequences. No one wants to be a martyr, but that’s how battles are unfortunately won, especially against today’s brand of fascists.

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  • doggle ,

    Can’t garnish imaginary wages [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Then people will just take their checks through an LLC and be independent contractors. Or go into business for themselves. Or just revolt.

    The last one is the most worrisome.

    ineedaunion ,

    The last one is the one we need the most.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    That’s partly why it’s so worrisome. 10 years ago, it would have meant something, but now it’s too late, and I fear now it will only negatively contribute to climate collapse and cause the genocide we hope to avoid.

    I think it might be too late to save the country and we all ought to get several state governments to secede… and if a civil war brews because of that, then it would at least have some semblance of a positive outcome.

    marmo7ade ,

    The government is made up of people we voted for. Want to check voter turn out rates for democrats? And for people under 40? Go check. Do it!

    ineedaunion ,

    More of this. It’s time for mass protests instead of complaining and then working a 9 to 5 and browsing Instagram.

    marmo7ade ,

    Lol that’s why we are in this situation. 99% of the people complaining are gonna go home, order doordash, watch netflix, do nothing, and cry when the world doesn’t magically conform to their expectations.

    You want change? Do something.

    ineedaunion ,

    Fucking exactly.

    PeterPoopshit ,

    The US government: let’s enable the economy to get to the point where it’s basically impossible for young people to even participate in society.

    Also the US government: damn, why do people keep going on suicidal mass shootings? If only there was anything we could do about it.

    ineedaunion ,

    Exactly

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Leave. The. Country.

    CADmonkey ,

    I’m so glad you’re willing to sponsor people who want to leave the US, when can I expect the check?

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Read my other comments on it. You can get well more then enough to move from the gov (unemployment/food stamps/etc)

    DietBajaBlast ,

    Exactly, they’d be ruining their credit scores.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    LOL who tf cares about their american credit score

    quicksand ,

    People who want to buy a house…

    Hazor ,

    Most of them are never going to be able to afford a house.

    quicksand ,

    Right so we should ruin their credit scores so it gets harder to rent (yes rental agencies check) or buy a car (even if they get one, their interest rate will be super high). Better we just fuck people over since they can’t afford a house, right?

    Discoslugs ,
    @Discoslugs@lemmy.world avatar

    Fr

    My credt score is not a choice. Its something i have to deal with.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Leave the country. Rent a house there instead.

    quicksand ,

    Ok so I’ll move to Ireland, since they speak English and I could keep my job I’m sure I’ll have much better luck renting there XD. Go away troll

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Lemmy.world kids will never understand the actual world and how it works…

    You can’t just all complain you’re getting fucked AND agree to all do nothing about it. The rest of the world is watching and laughing at the USA right now.

    Don’t pay your American banks, there is nothing stopping you from doing that.

    quicksand ,

    You say kids, but you’re talking about people who are mostly mid 20s-40s. Exactly how old are you, geezer?

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    20-40s who can “afford to move” should have already done so. Boiling frogs, just sitting there. Owe 80k to Chase Bank? Just. Fucking. Leave.

    quicksand ,

    Many people can’t afford to move. When were you born? Just give me a decade. You sound like a Boomer. Born into a fantastic economic situation, ruining it for the future, and then sitting on the sidelines with stupid fucking opinions

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Calling an outsider looking in, a “boomer,” doesn’t help the situation. My 25-30s were spent just-fucking-escaping that cesspool. Again, if you owe more than say… 10k, it makes more sense to take your diploma to another country.

    10k is way more money than it takes to get to Canada, Germany, France, Spain, Australia, anywhere really. Every single other “industrialized” nation pays for their citizens healthcare because it’s cheaper in the long run.

    If you can find a SEA country that will take you? Even more power to you.

    Don’t see the world from your own lemmy.world myopic-viewpoint. Big, big banks’ collateral will be fucked when these types of loans all collapse and get downgraded by fitch(/etc). Not paying will just shorten the fuse for these trillion $ orgs.

    quicksand , (edited )

    For one, you dodged the question. For two, wanna float me 10+ grand? Promise I’ll pay it back in social security. I already started payment so you know I’m good for it.

    Edit to add (since you’re probably too old to understand acronyms): How old are you? You’ve failed to answer this question

    Zuberi , (edited )
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    Take 100% of what unemployment will pay you for 5-6 weeks. Depends on the state, but this gave me 5.6k. Hunker down and eat staple foods. Even during inflationary times, you can get by pretty cheaply on rice/chicken/eggs.

    Take out a loan with an American country company. If they lent you 100k for school, maybe Sofi or some other online bank would give you 20k. Now prepare to move anything you care about to your destination.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    UHAUL’s long term rentals are very cheap (esp if you have a hitch already and can tow it yourself). If you don’t have a car, that might be a good first step with the 25.6k if you’re thinking of Canada.

    If you’re thinking EU, you’re going to make sure you can get a visa to where you’re going. Also sell most of your heavy items, as you’re going to want to just buy those heavier objects when you get there. Treat items like a price/density ratio and try to keep sentimental things over “I want to be cool” items like heavy computers or other electronics.

    quicksand ,

    Ok sorry for being so flip, this is decent advice. Just stop eating avocado toast and you’ll own a house, guys!!! Just listen to this man!!!1!1!1

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Getting a passport in the states is the biggest hurdle. Be very specific and follow instructions or they will send it back weeks later saying to fix something (try again). Currently their website lists a “record number” of requests of people trying to leave. :/

    Something like 10-13 weeks to get a passport…?, USA needs to step tf up

    quicksand ,

    I have a passport already, my work paid for it. That’s not the issue. The issue is that student loans are burdening people in an unmanageable way. Once the payments start kicking in, I’ll be fine, but many people won’t. Should they have not got useless degrees, Ya. But they don’t deserve to suffer for it when everyone told them to choose whatever they want. But that shouldn’t haunt them for the rest of their lives. I’m done arguing, so this is my opinion. Agree or not, that’s fine

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Disengage comrade

    Discoslugs ,
    @Discoslugs@lemmy.world avatar

    I have family here asshole. Im not leaving my nieces.

    You’re a coward for even thinking that is a real option for most people.

    some_designer_dude ,

    What’s the un-cowardly response to financial oppression by your own government?

    arashikage ,
    @arashikage@lemmy.world avatar

    Mass non-compliance

    BURN ,

    Can’t even rent without a credit score a lot of the time

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Buy a house in a different country then if you can afford it.

    CADmonkey ,

    Oh NOES anything but THAT.

    Sensitivezombie ,

    Ppl need to know that student loans (federal or private) and medical related debts don’t impact your credit scores nearly as much as say private loans, mortgage, auto loan, etc.

    reverendsteveii ,

    I think you underestimate how many people simply can’t pay their loans at all

    JeSuisUnHombre , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

    Let’s get those numbers up, I’m not paying.

    RagingRobot ,

    Great news we are now at 62.0001%

    TheWoozy ,

    Yeah, but 58% are lying.

    Elw , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

    Let’s all do this with our mortgage payments

    RagingRobot ,

    They can take my diploma but I do t want them to take my house

    Riyria ,

    They will take your house. As someone else said, with student loans there is no collateral. With a mortgage, your home is collateral, so you will forfeit it.

    TheWoozy ,

    Your income is the collateral. The banks will take it.

    Riyria ,

    No, your income isn’t collateral. Garnishment is sought because there is no collateral to claim. Collateral is explicitly put up to guarantee a loan.

    doggle ,

    Bad move; the house is collateral. The bank can’t foreclose on an education, they definitely can take the house.

    Elw ,

    Nope, but they sure can garnish wages, claiming they’re entitled to it since they paid for the education that lead to the job

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Yeah after multiple trials and appeals.

    CADmonkey ,

    And it starts to be a strain when enough people refuse to pay. If it takes multiple court cases, amd there are a few thousand in a court’s district, it’s going to get where you can’t do anything else because of all the student loan repayment cases.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Plus the possibility of it going to heck. They screw up somewhere, lose, and it multiples. Everyone who took out a loan in PA in 2006 is now eligible to get it discharged for example.

    What debt collectors and traffic court people don’t want you to know is that as long as you are willing to fight them chances are you will eventually win. And once someone wins a single time it gets established. There was a reason for a while Uber settled everything out of court.

    We are going to see an army of lawyers over the next few years suing the government over this while the US government has to spend more and more to get less and less.

    Sterile_Technique , in Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online
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    ikidd ,
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    Interesting.

    evatronic , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

    Is it really a boycott if you simply can’t make the payments?

    Not that I mind.

    abort_christian_babies , in 62% of Student Loan Borrowers Say They're Likely to Boycott Repayments

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    Hazdaz , in Ex-FBI counterintelligence official pleads guilty to conspiracy charge for helping Russian oligarch

    Hmm, well let’s see. If the punishment that the traitors that took part in J6th is anything to go by,this former FBI official will probably get all of 8 weeks in prison.

    And then we’ll continue to wonder why this shit keeps on happening.

    Mdotaut801 , in Ron DeSantis Says He Has “Moved On” And Disney Should Drop Its Lawsuit Against Him

    Lol fuck off. You lost.

    Hazdaz , in Deadlier Atlantic storms excessively killing US people of color – study

    Oh look everybody, now even the weather is RaCiSt!1!!

    Along with math and tests and air and apparently everything else.

    stopthatgirl7 OP ,
    @stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

    I love when people just openly admit to not having read the article by spewing hot takes like this.

    mek2600 , in Giuliani struggling under massive legal bills after defending Trump

    Lol.

    Hazdaz , in Judge Rules HP Must Face Class Action Lawsuit Over Disabled Printers

    This is great news… if HP loses we might all be rewarded $1.89 for years of extortion-level ink prices! Problem solved!1!!

    spider ,

    Back in the day we would at least get enough $ to buy a Happy Meal.

    Hazdaz ,

    Don’t worry, the lawyers who win these type of case will be able to afford lots and lots of happy meals. They typically are the only ones who ever make out in the end.

    spider ,

    If only I had a dollar for every one of those damn “incompatible cartridge” errors…

    Trainguyrom , in Ron DeSantis Says He Has “Moved On” And Disney Should Drop Its Lawsuit Against Him

    “In a legitimate lawsuit the defendant has ways to prevent it from proceeding to hurt them emotionally or monetarily”

    Unfortunately it makes more sense than the original quote ever did

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