The court’s decision today holds – as my office has consistently advocated – that the General Assembly had the authority to eliminate cash bail and replace it with a system in which people are detained pending trial only if they pose a threat to the public or are a flight risk.
I’m not too knowledgeable about how the system works, but isn’t this kind of what we did, just now without any requirement for bail?
This seems to remove the only encouragement to return to court without an appropriate replacement.
To my knowledge, I thought bail was basically a ‘loan’ that you get back when you return to court.
No, if you skip hearings for a criminal charge they can issue a warrant for your arrest, throw your ass in jail more or less anywhere they find you in the States, fine you, hit you with another set of criminal charges, and refuse to release you because by that point you’re by definition a flight risk.
Please try to understand something about the American criminal justice system before you comment on it.
Edit - while apparently you can often get bail back under the right circumstances, bail is generally so expensive that even with a bond most people can’t afford it. If bail is only affordable to rich people, it’s in practice a special privilege of the rich.
Had to look it up to double check and edited my comment quite a while before you posted yours, so all I can say is, sure, I agree with you, not that I understand why you chose to respond to an earlier version of my comment. Or did you really spend fifteen minutes drafting a two sentence comment?
Although having seen court clerks play all kinds of nasty games with delivering court notices to defendants and the challenges many indigent defendants face, "you get your bail back if you never miss a single hearing is pretty slim comfort in the real world…
You know I can see the timestamps, right? You posted the comment at 17:09:18, I replied at 17:20:56, you edited at 17:24:00.
Even if you edited multiple times and that’s only the most recent one, yes, in whatever time it was between me opening this post and submitting the comment, I did spend some time reading about bail, first just to make sure I wasn’t crazy, and then just out of curiosity.
Lol I like that you talked shit about their lack of understanding of the criminal justice system, yet you clearly didn’t understand how bail works. Please try to do better in the future
Forgetting a single thing about a system I haven’t studied or interacted with in over fifteen years doesn’t mean I don’t understand it. You never forget or incorrectly remember anything?
Was I wrong in other parts of my comment? In what other ways did I betray a lack of understanding of the criminal justice system? Was my understanding overall better or worse than the person I was replying to? Did I really show a lower overall level of understanding than the right wing concern troll I was responding to?
Was my bit about bail even the main point of my comment?
In what ways should I do better in future? Never make mistakes? Not correct myself when I catch them? Not complain when other people pile on to correct me long after I’ve corrected myself? Not get annoyed when people who are clearly an order of magnitude slower than me take it on themselves to correct mistakes I’ve already fixed? Please help me be “better,” whatever that’s supposed to mean in this situation.
Please try to understand something about the American criminal justice system before you comment on it.
I wrote a comment starting that I’m not knowledgeable and asking for more opinions.
You told me I don’t understand it, need to read up more and that you have the answers. Then you have people correcting you and you need to edit and correct your comment.
Seems like I have the right amount of confidence in my response, and you are way too over confident.
You were repeating common right-wing talking points about this in exactly the same concern trolling style that many right wing trolls use and have used on this exact topic of discussion. I just didn’t give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren’t exactly what you appeared to be and replied as though you were concern trolling. I still responded to your points.
Also, how much does it really change anything if you get bail back or not? Does it? How so, if so?
Additionally, I caught my mistake quickly and corrected it on my own. The people who are correcting me spent twenty minutes lovingly researching and crafting two sentence responses to an issue I caught on my own and fixed within a couple of minutes. I don’t know why you shouldn’t trust me based on needing to make a single correction. Based on this, you shouldn’t trust any human, living or dead, including the reporter who wrote the above article.
Cash bail drastically over affects poor people. If you dont have money to put up or assests to leverage, you hsve to take a loan that costs 10% of the loan total, i.e if you need 50k, you still need 5k to give up.
If you cant do the above like many poor people, you are stuck in jail while not being convincted of a crime. This almost always costs you your job, your home, all your belongings, your car, custody of your children, on and on. There are countless horror stories of people spending years in jail awaiting trial to be aquiteed and released, having lost everything they have in the world while being found not guilty of the crime.
This system ends that. If youre a flight risk or violent, you stay in jail. If not, you can carry on your life until youre convicted, which is both just and reasonable. It puts the poor and the rich in the same justice system, and thats a good thing.
Why would they not tell their parents? Genuine question from someone out of the loop. If my kid was questioning I would prefer I know, right? The school has the kid for the majority of their time awake during the school year. This makes sense to me.
I've been arguing exactly this with someone else somewhere in this thread. There are children who would be abused/kicked out of their home over this sort of thing.
I'd happy waiting until my child is ready to tell me to learn of certain aspects about them if it means protecting another from harm of this sort.
The problem I feel is the very parents demanding to know this information are the exact parents you wouldn't want knowing this information for their child's sake.
Because bigots have literally tortured their kids over being queer forever. Kids who don’t feel safe coming out at home usually have a good reason from fear of abuse to becoming homeless.
The trooper-medics contacted their superiors while on duty and again in writing, calling for changes to the latest Operation Lone Star policies brought in by Abbott.
“I believe we have stepped over a line into the in humane [sic]. We need to operate it correctly in the eyes of God,” the trooper said. “We need to operate it correctly in the eyes of God. We need to recognize that these are people who are made in the image of God and need to be treated as such.”
There’s an episode of Behind the Bastards called “How the Rich Ate Christianity” about how certain people essentially constructed the religious right. In the early 20th century, the majority of pastors were socialists.
Socialism is a direct consequence of Christianity. It’s the ultimate material incarnation of it.
Because of Christianity, we had the Renaissance, because of the Renaissance, we had capitalism. Because of capitalism we have socialism.
And many religions are extremely progressive and egalitarian. Many Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish and even Muslim sects are. Not to mention Sikhs and Jains etc.
The issue is mostly the hierarchical, patriarchal and authoritarian sects won out and dominated the rest, extinguishing most that were real threats to their domination.
In my mind, this is all religion by the way. Buddhism or capitalism. Trans-humanism or nihilism. It’s all religion. We just have a very limited and antagonistic view of religions nowadays.
To the Classical Greeks “religion” was just trying to understand the world and how to live in it for example. That’s how most of us saw religion for a long time. Until the Catholic Church basically.
Now the Catholic Church is evil as fuck… mostly. As an institution.
Religions have always been about trying to understand the world and how we should act in it as human beings. Those are the only and main things that connect all different “religions” in time and space.
Ok, so in trying to understand the world, there are really two options. Things you have proven (science), and things you believe without having proven. I’d argue that this second one is mythology.
Science is not about proving things at all… it’s about provings things WRONG, and approximating truth through that. Key word being approximating.
Mythology is the collection of stories and sayings from a religion we no longer really “respect” anymore. Like Ancient Greek or Egyptian Religions. While no one says the burning bush or Allah in the cave are myths.
Still, there is a very fine line between philosophy and religion/mythology. Specially if you understand the basic concept of metaphors and symbology, when trying to read ancient and religious texts.
Just a final note, materialist reductionism is a dead-end. Many scientists already noticed this…
Lolwut? ALL religions are highly conservative and oppressive, that’s the point of their existence. There would be no need for renaissance if there was no religion.
How are all religions conservative and oppressive? How is that the point of their existence?
Like have you ever read anything about early Christianity compared to how things were around it at the time? What about Mandeism? What about the early Hindu schools like Advaita Vedanta and Vaisheshika? What about Sikhism, which is explicitly egalitarian and humanist?
The Renaissance was just a stage of development of Christian values. Like Capitalism after it (which was an evolution of Protestant values) and socialism.
Arguably modern science was born in the Catholic Church.
Why do people speak so confidently about things they know so little about?
Religion is always socially conservative. Fiscal conservatism doesn’t tend to jive with the teachings of most religions.
The fact that they tend to vote conservative anyway may show where their priorities lie, but I wasn’t lying when I said that most pastors were socialists in the early 20th century - it should be a natural consequence of believing in the teachings of Jesus.
Joe Arpaio needs to have war crime charges brought against him. For once this isn’t exaggeration in the slightest: If this were Nazi Germany the man would likely hold high position. His crimes are literally up there with the masterminds of the holocaust. The only difference is scale and target.
This is California. We are required by law to lock away our firearms and have safety locks on them. I hope the parents get fucked so hard, shit will be pushed out of their mouths. They are fuckin idiots.
Many states have laws that would allow parents to be charged under negligence. They are still rarely charged. Even when they are, they are generally just given probation.
Yeah ... I keep imagining this one for all of humanity.
One moment, we're having our usual run of the mill day, everything is either going good or going bad, we're all worried about the economy, billionaires flying around in their private jets, some poor kid is stealing oranges from the market, you're scrolling through some social media feed ... then BAMMMM!
Either one of two things happen to you.
You either get terribly unwell and die immediately or things fall apart around you, hurricane winds, things going crazy and then you die soon after.
Or
You're online and the internet goes screwy ... things aren't working right, then in an hour, most of the internet is gone. You turn on cable tv but most of the channels are now gone. You see one or two emergency channels and they're all talking about some 'event' that happened somewhere far away. Then most tv everywhere goes down too. There are rumours everywhere of Russians have launched nuclear weapons, world war three has started, aliens have landed, Jesus has come back, Armageddon has started ... and then hurricane force winds start blowing everywhere ... things are just tossed around and you either die in the mix or you are one of the lucky ones who happen to be underground ... you won't last a few days and then you die soon after anyway.
Random Gamma Ray Burst has directly hit the planet earth ... it irradiates half the planet where it hit head on, vapourizing the atmosphere and causing violent weather changes and the radiation either immediately killing or slowly sickening every living thing until it all dies including all animals, most fish near the surface, plants and humans ... the other half of the planet didn't get hit by the radiation but now survives just a little longer as half the planet tries to equalize with the other destroyed half.
It's theorized that this is one of the probable causes of several unexplained extinction events in earth's geologic history. And if it ever happened now, we'd have no warning ... and even if we did ... we wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
Cash bail does not work. My dad has a friend who got caught for raping kids. His bail was $2 million. The parents paid the 10% up front. The guy was put u set house arrest. He always needed to be watched. No kids anywhere near him. During the sentencing of the trial this child rapist ran off out of the country.
The options are not cash bail or nothing. If someone is considered a flight risk or a danger to society, they can be held until trial. Sounds like the judge made the wrong choice in this case.
Insurance companies are about the purest form of capitalism around. If they aren’t making money, they aren’t going to participate. This is going to be a problem for California, Florida, Louisiana, and places in the Mountain West.
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If someone is going to skip, they pay the 10% to a bondsman. So overtime bonds increased to 10x what they should be. Except now you don’t get anything back.
For most Americans it’s a flat fee to get out of jail.
Especially with how long cases go, not many can afford to wait a year for that money to come back after trial. Or to spend the year in jail waiting.
Even CBS does clickbait now. First sentence in article:
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Some customers. Will that be dozens, thousands, millions?
I bet even they don’t know the specific number. But certain conditions like being in a hurricane-prone area or zones not performing the maintenance on structures that help deal with natural disasters would probably cause those people to no longer be insurable as it predictable that they would pay out more money to more people when things go sideways. This is information for their stockholders, so they don’t get sued for not maximizing profit.
“Who from society” would be people like the child’s teachers, counselors, friends, relatives, mentors, etc.
Funny you mention red-herrings and extremes and then go on to talk about how we’ll all be living under a Saudi-like dictatorship if teachers don’t snitch on kids to their parents about something like personal identity.
This only appears to just be ramping up now. I really do think this is not a policy that any political party should be pushing, lest they find themselves the target of like minded people like myself. People wonder why homeschooling is becoming more prevalent. It's shit like this.
I get the feeling I’m talking to a bot with these canned responses that don’t address my comments nor the OP. Thanks for making yourself easy to identify. See ya later!
This only appears to be ramping up now is my response to you saying how many times has it landed you in jail. I admit the nuance of conversation can sometimes not translate to written message very well.
My response to OP was that I'm not even open to conversation when it comes to my child. No one is invited to deliberate on my child's life or the decisions I make raising them.
This only appears to be ramping up now is my response to you saying how many times has it landed you in jail. I admit the nuance of conversation can sometimes not translate to written message very well.
My response to OP was that I'm not even open to conversation when it comes to my child. No one is invited to deliberate on my child's life or the decisions I make raising them.
This only appears to be ramping up now is my response to you saying how many times has it landed you in jail. I admit the nuance of conversation can sometimes not translate to written message very well.
My response to OP was that I'm not even open to conversation when it comes to my child. No one is invited to deliberate on my child's life or the decisions I make raising them.
What decisions exactly? And if you so desperate to be involved in your child’s life, why do you need to rely on a third party to inform you about your own child?
What does this have to do with “parents making decisions about their children?” What decision are they being deprived of if a teacher doesn’t report everything a child expresses at school to the parent?
For a parallel, what if the law was instead about race rather than gender? “Teachers must report white children expressing interest in talking to black children”
You: “Well what’s wrong with that? It’s muh right!”
Except that in many circumstances they get influenced to think they’re trans, and then you want your benevolent teachers to authorize cutting their junk and destroying their future just because they like pink.
And this is absolutely not an exaggeration. Don’t bullshit a bullshitter. Your issue is that you defend an ideal principle to do something extreme. Plausible deniability. Never gonna happen. People will never trust you until you stop treating trans as a protected class and more treat them like responsible adults. I’ve seen enough.
I don’t understand how you have reached this conclusion. As someone who is a member of the trans community none of these decisions you talked about are made lightly. I understand as a parent wanting to know what is going on with your child but the child’s mental state should be priority above anytime else. No one in the trans community wants convince anyone they are trans. That is something they must find on their own.
“No one in the trans community wants to convince anyone they’re trans”.
That’s the part where you’re either lying or simply wrong. This is so prevalent it’s nuts. Want examples? See Lauren Southern videos about Sarah and the teacher. Links below. Tim Pool also gives examples on grooming all the time.
This might surprise you, but we’re not stupid. We know what’s going on, and plausible deniability isn’t gonna cut it anymore. I’d die before anything bad touches my children.
I’m sorry, but I gave that video am honest listen and still can’t understand how this relates to what I’m saying. There may be instances of these incidents happening and they should be dealt with on a case by case basis. But this is an overreach of the child’s privacy which is why we’re here. One of the first thing young women victims of sexual assault say is “don’t tell me dad,” for fear of what that would mean for them at home. If a child says they’ve been having feelings that they don’t understand themselves yet and they don’t want to have their parents know, they have a reason. Not every home is safe and something like this will lead to children killing themselves. Not every parent can be trusted to make that decision to do what’s best in these situations, so we must create institutions that can at least recognize when that is necessary for the safety of the child. We are not advocating for parents to not be a part of the discussion. We want the safety of every child to be considered in this decision.
We have the same goal here of safety for children. Let’s tackle grooming wherever it is, but this won’t make the situation any better for the children who need this safety. This won’t work the way you believe it will, and we have evidence. I have way too much going on in my life at the moment to do a real deep dive to get the information you need. But I’m hopeful we can make this country better for everyone.
That is very valid. And I understand why you’d want to know anytime you can do to help your child. A hardline approach isn’t the way though. Coming out is a very personal experience and as long as your doing your job as a parent they should be willing to do that when they are ready. Another part of being a parent is allowing your child to grow no matter what that means. Instead of a beautiful tree that can provide happiness and joy for themselves and everyone around them as well, they may end up as a sad houseplant in a pot that’s too small. At the end of the day I think we have two different philosophies on life and being parents but we can find something that is more beneficial than harmful, and from a personal place this is going to have terrible consequences.
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