In the same way that Elon Musk and I have a shared 100 billion + $ networth, so to are both sides have shared blame and responsibillity to mitigate this situation that the Left created /s
Fucking love this comment. If only we could charge people for being ignorant, or willfully dumb, or just racist. Amazing how folks wanna throw their individual right to free speech away instead of holding “news” corporations accountable. One is much easier to do and has actual precedent, the other being a collapse of our democracy.
From my understanding, and please, someone correct me:
Hate speech has to be tied to a crime. If you knock someone’s mailbox over it’s destruction of property, if you do it while yelling a racist phrase at the person then it may be considered a hate crime which depending on the state can carry additional, often heavier punishment. Racism isn’t illegal, just bad taste.
As far as American free speech is concerned, outside of inciting violence or injury (rallys that turn violent, yelling fire in a movie theater) you can pretty much say whatever the fuck you want… Unless it’s towards a corporation or rich person who can sue you into the floor for years debating your use of “satire, irony, fantasy, parody” if they kinda choose to. Legal system is beyond fucked, and with all the deep fake shit coming and going it’s most likely give more power to these kinda cases. Also, it feels like there’s a rise both legally and socially for thought crimes. A whole new bag of fun.
Edit: Obviously, threatening someone with violence is indeed illegal. Can’t tell folks you’re going to kill them.
Free speech can exist perfectly fine with rules against this kind of stuff. In a lot of western countries where racism and hatespeech can get you in trouble, you are still totally allowed to criticize cultures, immigrants and other stuff like that.
A few out of the top of my head: France, Belgium, UK, Netherlands, Germany, Canada, Australia.
In all of these countries free speech is a right, but blatant racism, hate speech, or propaganda based upon such basis, can all get you fined and possibly even jailed.
Yeah, that’s pretty general. If you’d like to pick a country and a few example cases I’d love to actually be specific. Burden of proof on the prosecution? Can I just say my neighbor said racist shit and they go to jail? Context? Set list of phrases/words? Past precedent and public opinion? Warnings vs fines? Etc?
Pretty sure a lot of these places let a lot of questionable people gather and say a lot of questionable shit publicly without any consequence. Not just the US.
Also, besides the last few years (i think because of immigration), racism was almost non existent, and most people only talked shit behind closed doors, but didn’t even really mean it. Police for example are more into profiling than racism. And the fact that racism is not allowed, also makes it very taboo to be racist.
And also a very weird “every country allows extremists” comment. I’ll just point it out and not go into it any further.
Bro, you haven’t even made a fucking point. Get out of here with this fucking bullshit. You obviously can’t explain much of anything outside of how you “feel” about these things. You showed your age with the “racism was non-existent”, obviously haven’t been around for too long. Never used the word extremist, but honestly it’s not bad. Yeah, every country has them.
Do me a favor, and try to only reply to comments where you actually have a fucking point. You’re gumming up the works for the people looking to have actual discussions.
What the hell are you even talking about? You ask questions and I answer them. Your intentions are fucking selfish and negative. Get the fuck out of here yourself you miserable asshole.
Go do your own resource for the stuff I said. I don’t have to prove shit.
And there it is! Glad we could boil it down to your superiority over AmErIcA. Fucking nationalists.
Glad to see the rest of the world is just as fucking stupid as the majority of this country.
You challenged my response, I questioned your stupid premise and asked for actual fact, you couldn’t provide (probably due to your laziness, you’d probably fit in better here than you’d like to believe…) a single point of argument except your feelings. Learn what debate and conversation actually resemble, or don’t, you’ll fit right in with the masses.
So they fired, chief Maddrey, right?? Since he’s the one who actually abused his position. Otherwise, what the hell is the point of this payout? It’ll just happen again.
They’re not trying to stop it from happening again, they’re trying to get us all to shut up about it until the next person tries to assassinate Trump so the media cycle can sweep this under the rug. That’s what the big settelment is for.
I haven’t bought anything via the Amazon site in years. At least three, possibly five or more. Anything I need I can get elsewhere either online or in person without supporting Amazon’s anti-union, worker-exploiting policies. I won’t even use AWS for business purposes because of how they treat their workers. Boycott away, there are plenty of Amazon options that are “good enough” if not actually better.
It’s literally impossible to fully boycott Amazon, I’ve been trying for years. Even if you buy elsewhere, often you’ll find out after the fact that Amazon does the shipping or payment processing.
We should nationalize their monopoly or break it up.
It’s like trying to boycott Doordash for takeout. Even if you don’t use the app chances are the place you’re ordering from uses their drivers without you knowing.
I haven’t bought anything from Amazon in 10 years. It’s full of crap now, and the legit stuff is just thrown in to a bin in their warehouse for scanning by UPC, so it’s 50/50 if it’s an untraceable counterfeit. And the counterfeiters are good, so you probably won’t notice it’s fake until a couple years later.
Haven’t used Amazon in two years. I don’t even have an account anymore. Doesn’t stop them from sending me emails 3x/day to sign up again. I try to shop local, but I do have to go to shitty corp stores for some stuff.
I mean I’m sure he hopes for a real Nobel one day, but I’m sure he took this as a wonderful consolation prize.
I think he found the knighthood thing embarrassing mostly. He said he started to explain why he got it to the queen and she couldn’t have been more disinterested.
Hey now, when Kyle Rittenhouse crossed state lines to take pot-shots into a crowd of protesters, he paid every toll and observed every traffic ordinance. How can you possibly compare Rittenhouse to this turnstile jumping barbarian?
It sounds like the guy had a knife and threatened to use it. It also sounds like the cops tried to taze the guy first, but it didn’t work.
We can argue whether the cops really needed to shoot the guy. But they weren’t shooting at a fare evader, they were shooting at a guy with a knife who also happened to jump the turnstile.
I’d argue that the real problem is that the cops didn’t know how to de-escalate the situation without shooting. It’s like the tazer was their only “non-lethal” option, and when that didn’t work, they panicked. (I could also believe that they were simply incompetent, and couldn’t work the tazer properly.)
The guy only threatened to use the knife after they stopped him for turnstile jumping. If the New York subway didn’t have turnstiles (the L.A. subway doesn’t), most people would still pay their fares. Most people understand that their fares keep the trains running. There was no need for this. At all.
I should say that there are transit cops that check tickets in L.A. If you don’t have one, all they do is escort you out of the station. And this is the LAPD we’re talking about.
The guy only threatened to use the knife after they stopped him for turnstile jumping.
I should say that there are transit cops that check tickets in L.A. If you don’t have one, all they do is escort you out of the station. And this is the LAPD we’re talking about.
The first step to “escorting you out of the station” is stopping you, is it not?
My whole point is that the cops didn’t get belligerent until he pulled the knife. It also sounds like he might have boarded a train with the knife out, too. (It was the L train, though, I’m sure the riders have seen worse.)
They didn’t start shooting because he jumped the turnstile. I bet if he didn’t have a knife they would have just wrote him a ticket and made him leave.
You dont think your LA cops would have treated their fare evader a bit differently if he pulled a knife?
Yes, stopping you to say, “can I see your ticket?” If the person without a ticket runs, where are they going to run to? Back on the train that just left? They can’t do that. Out of the station? That’s where they were going to be taken anyway. It’s not worth the cops’ time in L.A. like it apparently is in New York.
But it sounds like the guy said “I’m gonna kill you if you don’t stop following me”, then hopped on the train with the knife out. You think the cops in LA would have let him do that?
Didn’t it literally just happen there like two weeks ago when LAPD TSD used force against someone evading fare and they ran, jumped onto the tracks, and were then electrocuted and run over by a train?
LA metro rail has yearly ridership of a little less than 62 million.
You don’t get to pretend two train systems are not similar because you write BILLION in all caps and bold.
Thank you, by the way, for so clearly representing yourself in your post history. You’re doing this old man a service by making it so obvious that you are continually arguing in bad faith.
Most people understand that their fares keep the trains running.
Fares make up for about 10% of operating expenses for our trains. User-fees promote a dangerous need to balance yesterday’s costs with today’s availability, which is ultimately self-defeating.
The LA subway has turnstiles. Most people don’t pay. I’d watch maybe 2/3rds of people skip payment by using the wheelchair/bike turnstile. They would do it in front of cops.
They have the simple waste-high turnstile at every subway stop. At above-ground locations they don’t have these. They have been there for 15 years or longer.
There are no full height “man trap” turnstiles if that’s what you’re talking about.
I took the train from NoHo to downtown or Long Beach all the time and I do not remember turnstiles. In fact, I remember wondering where they were the first time I did it.
And yet they didn’t release the footage. Either there’s no knife or the behavior of the police was outrageously incompetent. If they were justified they’d be tripping over themselves to show it.
Do we actually know if he had a knife? Initial reporting was that the police knew he had a knife because he refused to take his hands out of his pockets. While he did threaten them, it was contingent upon them continuing to follow them. He did not actually attack them until after multiple officers attempted to tase him. Furthermore, so what if he had a knife? As far as we’re aware, he’s got a second amendment right to keep and bear arms. Being armed isn’t an excuse to be killed by cops because you are generally explicitly allowed to be armed.
All in all:
We don’t know he’s armed
We don’t know his intentions
He didn’t immediately attack anyone
While he did threaten them he made no indication that he intended to follow through until he was attacked
He continued to try to leave the situation until he was attacked
The police attacked him first
He didn’t have a gun
4 people were shot by the police; he was killed (this seems to have been erroneously reported earlier. He is now reportedly in critical condition), an officer and 2 bystanders were wounded
No one was stabbed
While that is textbook escalation, it really doesn’t seem like they shot him cause he had a knife. They shot him (and 3 others) cause he didn’t care about their authority and they couldn’t let the guy that was already on the train go. And all that came about because he tried to skip a fare that costs around the same amount as the bullets fired.
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