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NYPD shot four people - including two bystanders one who is in critical condition - and another cop over a $2.90 fare.

Police opened fire on a subway platform in Brooklyn during a confrontation with an alleged fare-beater, striking the man cops said was armed with a knife, two straphangers caught in the fray, and one of the firing officers, NYPD officials said Sunday.

One of those two passengers hit by the cops’ bullets, a 49-year-old man, was hospitalized in critical condition after he was hit struck in the head, according to the NYPD.

The two officers who opened fire were assigned to patrol the Sutter Avenue subway stop in the 73rd precinct when they spotted a man skip the station turnstile and walk through an open gate toward the train platform, Chief of Department Jeffrey Maddrey explained at an evening press conference from Brookdale Hospital.

aaaaace ,

NYPD: The dumbest kid from every high school on Long Island.

5oap10116 , (edited )

I’m in Suffolk and can confirm. Kid got a 680/2400 on the SAT. Not that the SAT is a great intelligence test but damn.

istanbullu ,

How incompetent do you have to be to shoot a bystander?

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
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When aiming into a crowd of people? You’d have to be an exceptional marksman to hit your target. Of course, there’s the question of why you’re firing into a crowd to begin with.

GetOffMyLan , (edited )

This is obviously fucked up. But they are clearly intentionally downplaying that he pulled a knife when stopped. He wasn’t shot for the fair lol

Samvega ,

But they are clearly intentionally downplaying that he pulled a knife

The subtitle: “NYPD brass said the alleged fare-beater had charged at the officers with a knife…”

Maybe your reading comprehension is indicated by your use of “He wasn’t shot for the fair [sic] lol”.

tiefling , (edited )

NYPD goes HARD on toll jumpers, but there’s virtually zero enforcement on traffic and cars. Everywhere I go I see assholes with illegally modified vehicles, degenerates speeding down shoulders, motorcycles on crowded sidewalks and pedestrian paths, and too many drunk drivers to count. There are so many cases where one pig parked on the shoulder during rush hour would fund the city budget for a year.

Instead we get whole families of pigs loitering by the turnstiles

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
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The NYPD also loves to go after jaywalkers and vagrants, particularly when they’re interfering with the flow of street traffic.

Cars are King, baby.

xmunk ,

Fuck cars!

Moneo ,

Apparently we’re calling commuters “straphangers” now too. I wonder if the NYPD will shoot at speeding wheelgrippers next.

Cheems ,
@Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

Clearly that’s where the money is. $2.90 goes hard

masterspace ,

I mean according to the article, technically they just tried to stop him over the $2.90 fare.

Then because of that he threatened to kill them and they realized he had a knife so they tasered him.

Then when that didn’t work and he ran at them with the knife they opened fire.

Multiple people are still dead because they brought guns into a disagreement over $2.90, but the headline implies a lot more unreasonableness on the individual cops’ parts as opposed to the overall policy.

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
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Then because of that he threatened to kill them

They claim he made a threat. The article failed to print his side of the story for some curious reason. It isn’t printing any testimony from the bystanders, either.

Multiple people are still dead because they brought guns into a disagreement over $2.90, but the headline implies a lot more unreasonableness on the individual cops’ parts as opposed to the overall policy.

Cops will often lie about the danger of a suspect in order to justify elevating their use-of-force. That said, they weren’t that concerned by his unreasonableness when they deployed tasers into the crowd first. They didn’t switch to guns until they realized the tasers weren’t going to work.

masterspace ,

They claim he made a threat. The article failed to print his side of the story for some curious reason. It isn’t printing any testimony from the bystanders, either.

Fair enough, supposedly they were wearing body cams so hopefully some of what actually happened can be answered objectively, I’m just pointing out what the article said. If he didn’t make a threat or have a knife, then tasering him is a wild escalation, it’s just that if he did, then the police can’t really just let him get on a train.

Cops will often lie about the danger of a suspect in order to justify elevating their use-of-force. That said, they weren’t that concerned by his unreasonableness when they deployed tasers into the crowd first. They didn’t switch to guns until they realized the tasers weren’t going to work.

Again, assuming what the article says is true, which is a big assumption, it’s not that crazy to taser a guy who just got onto a train with a knife and threatened to you. At that point you’re looking at a potential mass stabbing incident if you do nothing.

Again, who knows, maybe the cops are blowing his behaviour wildly out of proportion, I’m just saying that, based on the article, it sounds like he wasn’t just gunned down for jumping a turnstile.

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
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the police can’t really just let him get on a train

If they had, three people would have avoided bullet wounds and one of them wouldn’t be in the ER right now.

it’s not that crazy to taser a guy who just got onto a train

If you’ve ever ridden the subway in NYC, particularly during rush hour, the idea of firing a taser into a train full of people is absolutely crazy.

Garbanzo ,

At that point you’re looking at a potential mass stabbing incident

At which point the NYPD will hide because that’s scary

Tar_alcaran , (edited )

Then because of that he threatened to kill them and they realized he had a knife so they tasered him.

Then when that didn’t work and he ran at them with the knife they opened fire.

Is the version of what’s the killers are saying. I’ll believe it when I see the camera footage. Good thing they have bodycams, so they can instantly prove their story.

whotookkarl ,
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Why hasn’t the city released the full body cam footage?

Thebeardedsinglemalt ,

They used more money in ammunition than the amount of money the shootout started over!

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Evidence of why the “Chris Rock solves gun crime” strategy won’t work.

Thebeardedsinglemalt ,

Chris Rock solves gun crime

Make bullets cost $5000 a piece!

catloaf ,

Just having them there on detail probably costs more than they recover from fare evaders.

Nuke_the_whales ,

I hope the cop that got shot is hurting. Stupid fucks

PriorityMotif ,
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Definitely sitting at home, getting paid leave and talking to his union provided lawyer and was told not to say anything by his coworkers who didn’t arrest him for shooting multiple people.

NatakuNox ,
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Meanwhile corporations steal billions through white collar crime and the police do nothing. Nearly all blue collar crime is due to poverty and white collar crime creates more poverty. If police really wanted to stop crime they’d be pouring over corporations accounting to find the stolen money.

UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
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If police really wanted to stop crime they’d be pouring over corporations accounting to find the stolen money.

Sounds like dirty authoritarian big government communism to me.

ravhall ,

Another mass shooting

Grimy ,

Schrodingers pig.

The cop shot an innocent bystander in the head but also shot another cop. Until trial, he is both a bad guy with a gun and a good guy with a gun.

Garbanzo ,

Are the NYPD still carrying guns with a 12 pound trigger pull? Why can’t they aim for shit?

ByteOnBikes ,

How much would this criminal get away with?

Roughly $3.00.

The only message I got was cops are unhinged.

Samvega ,

“$3 is more important than innocent lives. We must set an example.”

corsicanguppy ,

hit struck in the head

No; not hit struck. That’s like TWICE!

Garbanzo ,

The police didn’t shoot him in the head. They were just doing their jobs as we asked them to and somehow that happened, total coincidence.

Garbanzo ,

“We will be working through the timeline of today, but make no mistake, the events that occurred on the Sutter Avenue station platform are the results of an armed perpetrator who was confronted by our officers doing the job we asked them to do," Donlon said.

Could we maybe not ask police officers to escalate minor and petty conflicts all the way up to shooting everyone in the immediate vicinity?

Samvega ,

doing the job we asked them to do

Ah, so we should pursue this ‘we’ who are asking cops to kill innocent people. Thanks, Donlon!

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