Climate change has finally caught up with us in a big way with politicians still doing almost nothing to stop it or even slow it down
peaceful protesters are being labeled as terrorists and sometimes murdered while ACTUAL terrorists are protected by cops and half of the ruling elite
income and wealth inequality and thus poverty are worse than they have been since the great depression and it’s only getting worse faster and faster
the financial elite and their imitators are profiteering away people’s ability to survive and people are blaming it on the government spending money to help keep the victims of said profiteering alive
there’s a war in Europe where the rich countries care about it and the political alliance that the aggressor belongs to has just expanded to consist of countries containing half of the people in the world
the least bad realistic option for US President is an octogenarian who entered politics before the invention of the pocket calculator and thinks the solution to police brutality is to throw money at cops
the other realistic option is the career criminal grifter leader of a Christofascist cult, who is also a malignant narcissist, a sociopath and as bright as Greenland in December
This isn’t regular society, this is multiple crises piled on top of each other and about to explode into even worse catastrophe.
I don’t see this as a problem, the media is terrible at understanding/caring about real cultural trends.
The fact that I have a better time on Lemmy than Reddit on my phone, despite the huge difference in user numbers, says it all to me.
Reddit has been seeing a meaningful and lasting decline since they decided users don’t matter, and there’s no coming back from that.
Just like Facebook has suffered a permanent user loss and failure to grow, so will Reddit. It won’t be overnight, but newer generations are increasingly tech-literate, even when they aren’t more media-literate.
I never thought Mastodon would become a place to be, despite always hoping. Never imagined a real Reddit alternative would start to form, but here I am.
Cambridge Analytica laid the foundation of general disdain for centralized social media, and Elon Musk single-handedly exhausted the public’s patience with corporate bullshit.
I think decentralized options are here to stay, and I think the only centralized platforms that will take longer to upend are video-dependant ones.
Lemmy for me is a detox from a hyperactive hyperreal world that by making itself exclusively about fun entertainment, allows one to be picked up and taken with the wind.
Lemmy needs moderation tools and then a big domain name. Then it’ll be ready to go.
The single most important thing it needs is to send delete requests when a post is deleted from the original instance. (Either by a moderator or the user.)
And something to clean up unused files would be nice, but that can be kicked off manually for now.
Honestly I agree wholeheartedly about “just the right amount of content.” It’s enough for me to get a healthy smattering of interesting and confusing memes without sucking me in and letting THE SCROLL take over.
Now that you say that, it’s really an odd, surreal experience. Were my fellow children unique, and just did not grow up, and made a blend of their childhood and what should be adult pursuits, or were people in the past just as fucked up, but all they had to make porn of was Charles Dickens and Dante and such?
Yeah like, I can understand a hesitation around being directly involved in a war effort, but mate once you’ve opened your system up to the military you’re kinda already there.
So how does it feel to not have a country? To not have borders to define yourself against the world? (I guess seven nukes do make a clear border, huh?)
My bad, but its my duty to always reference it. (They mail me some fanta ever time I do it, which is wierd, i never gave them my address, and I’m afraid what will happen if i stop)
Yeah, but Putin said he’d give me like $10 or whatever in rubles if I did it. Then he called me a chicken… And I’m no chicken and I wanted the $10 so I could get this month’s battle pass!
He literally was paid a shit-ton of money by the pentagon to provide service to the Ukranian military. He took the money. And then he’s like, “how could I have known they’d use it in WAR?”
It’s pretty obvious he got paid by the Russians to sabotage that operation. Which makes him an enemy agent against the US I guess since he sabotaged a military asset the US paid for.
He got paid to let Ukraine use starlink within Ukraines post 2014 borders to defend Ukraine land. Then when Ukraine tries to bomb a Russian navy fleet OUTSIDE OF UKRAINE’S BORDERS and it doesn’t work everyone gets mad. I’m all for trashing Elon when it’s due, and I trash him a lot, but he was literally playing by the established rules here.
Had he let the Ukrainians bomb the fleet, he would have directly went against the US militaries orders. I get we all want Russia to stop and whatnot, but (and I hate that I’m the one defending him and saying this) Elon didn’t do wrong here. The missles were flying correctly in starlink air, they hit the border, then stopped working. Also, this happened last year.
If divorce required 2party consent, how many people would have been killed? I know I would have, I finally left after my ex held a knife to my throat for saying hi to his mom.
Yeah we still talk, but only because I had 2 kids with her son. She constantly tries to get me to go back to him because and I quote “we can’t handle him when you’re not around.” Yeah no shit, now he’s abusing y’all instead of me. I don’t care if I’m their mom, let one of my kids treat me like that, let alone their spouse? Oh hell no, they got me fucked up. Yet when she found out about why I left she said, again quoted word for word, “well you used to cut yourself so I don’t see the difference.”
She’s grandma though so I allow the kids to VC her from time to time and she’ll send them stuff. I’m not a vindictive person so I won’t allow my relationship with her affect her and the kid’s relationship. Unless she starts talking crazy. I’ve already cut dad out because he started on some bullshit with them.
Just in case the textbook anti-PETA rhetoric comes into the thread…
This is why people hate PETA.
Yes, PETA does some crazy shit, but as with many things there are two sides to the story which is difficult to see when you get bombarded by anti-PETA stuff as is common on e.g. Reddit.
They are the driving power behind all the misinformation and PETA-hate that is spread around. PETA is actually doing a lot for animal rights, that’s why they are such a big target for smear campaigns:
PETA kills animals because unfortunately there are no better places for them. Blame the puppy mills and irresponsible short term owners that give up their pets a few days or weeks after getting them because they had no idea what they got themselves into. Those people create more pets than there are places for them, so instead of having them become strays and further add to the problem, PETA put down those they can’t adopt out. Because PETA accepts all animals, even those that other shelters turn away in order to not sully their adoption numbers, PETA shelters end up with many more “hopeless” animals. See more here.
The case of the mistaken dog (and how PETA doesn’t steal and murder pets):
A farmer asked PETA to euthanise a pack of stray dogs that were aggressive and violent towards the farmer’s cows. Upon arrival, PETA found the pack of stray dogs, took them to the shelter and put them down, as a free service. Unfortunately it turned out, that one of the presumed stray dogs was a pet-chihuaha called Maya, that was not sitting on the porch, as often claimed, but running freely with the stray pack, without leash or collar or supervision. PETA fucked up, because they didn’t wait the 5 day grace period to give the owners time to look for and collect their pet. That’s why they had to pay a fine and apologized for it. www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/maya.html
The monkey selfie:
The monkey took the picture himself btw, the photographer just left the camera lying around. I am not saying the monkey should be copyright holder and it’s an open-shut case, but it does raise the question about the photographer having ownership over something that was voluntarily and independently created by an animal. What if a painter would leave his brushes lying around and an animal would create a painting? The artist actually sees it the same way and settled for a compromise with PETA followed by a joint statement. This was a landmark case in copyright law.
PETA equating milk to racism:
White supremacists actually use milk to demonstrate their superiority over “inferior” (their words, obviously) lactose intolerant ethnicities. That’s the reason behind their campaign on the issue.
Final thoughts (I promise):
PETA does a good job at raising issues and are one of the most successfull organisations to fight for animal rights. The granting of rights is the only real way to protect animals from unneccessary cruelty. Animal welfare will always be arbitrary, both in what species are worthy of protection, and the extent of protection they are worthy of. You cannot consider yourself an animal lover without recognizing the importance of that.
Sometimes PETA (intentionally?) overshoot, that happens when you try to move the border of current perceptions (i.e. animals are objects to be used for food, clothes, entertainment). I am not here to defend their tone or (lack of) tact, and there are a number of (sometimes downright stupid) PETA-campaigns I disagree with. I’m not trying to convice you to become their friend, but at least judge them for what they are doing, not for what they are said to do.
Most of the criticism of PETA you read on Reddit comes straight from the mouths of the Center for Organizational Research and Education (CORE), formerly known as the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF). It’s basically a corporate propaganda organization with donors like Tyson Foods, Wendy’s, and Coca-Cola. They also run campaigns claiming obesity isn’t that major of a problem and that you can eat 10 times as much mercury from fish as experts recommend. The vast majority of the animals PETA euthanizes are suffering and are brought to PETA’s shelter by their owners specifically to be put out of their misery, but the CCF distorts that into “PETA is stealing people’s pets off the streets” and Reddit gobbles it up.
The media also knows that PETA is an easy target. Years ago I read an article in one of the British tabloids (the Sun or the Mirror) with a headline something like, “PETA blasts child’s bunny wedding!” But if you actually read the article, what happened is a kid dressed up some bunnies in wedding outfits, the “journalist” reached out to PETA and asked them to comment, and PETA said something like, “we don’t support dressing rabbits in costumes because it may be stressful for them.” And that was the end of the story, but that wouldn’t get clicks so they distorted the headline to make it sound like PETA was protesting or attacking the kid on their own accord.
For the record, I think there are perfectly legitimate criticisms of PETA, like the sexist imagery they use in some of their ad campaigns and their welfarist (as opposed to abolitionist) approach to advocacy. It just gets to me that so many redditors claim to be rational and free-thinking but then read literal corporate propaganda about PETA and swallow it whole without a second thought.
Who asked? I think I woke up in !vegan after all the soy milk (no soy) I drank. Imagine being the person posting this under a meme, I feel dirty having to respond to this.
Generally, memes are considered fun care free content. And not a place for multiple page long commentary on the topic.
Just as a side note. People’s issues with the dog shelters Isn’t the actual need to put animals down. As much as that sucks. It’s the insane level of hypocrisy involved given their zero exception or tolerance stance EVERYWHERE else.
I immediately lost all respect for you after that statement. Steve Irwin was a wonderful human being that did more for conservation and nature education than 99% of people will ever do in their lives. Rest in Peace Steve
PETA kinda sucks sometimes but their opposition are almost always bad faith neo-nazis or sheep reactionaries ignorantly parroting all their talking points because they saw the first half of a headline once and used that knee-jerk reaction as evidence of their expertise.
Too many people get caught up on “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” It’s not true at all, there are plenty of cases where everyone sucks but some people suck way harder. There’s other times where one group sucks and the other group are literal neo-nazis.
I wouldn’t say their opposition is always bad faith neo-nazis, but the anti-vegan/anti-PETA movement definitely has a few bad seeds they should be burning out. There is no reason to combine ethical meat-eating with neoconservativism. It’s bloody stupid.
Lmao why is this comment downvoted but the one saying that most people who dislike PERA are neo-nazis is upvoted? Tells you a lot about how out of touch people on here are.
Because it’s actually true. A LOT of the narratives come from the worst people. It’s like with greenpeace, there’s plenty of shit to dislike them for, you don’t have to make shit up but more often than not that’s what ends up happening. You don’t have to support someone to point out that their oppositions are literal nazis. Basic dialectics.
I think dismissing an entire opposing view point as Nazis is one of the lowest forms of discourse there is, and unfortunately it’s very pervasive on Lemmy.
I don’t know if it’s naive teenagers or just a lot of out of touch people with fringe views, but it’s worse than reddit sometimes.
I don’t like veganism because it’s libshit, personal responsibility bullshit that tricks people into thinking they’re making a difference. Am I even remotely surprised that moral superiority shit is taking off in the alt-right? Not at all. The instant they started going after minority groups for eating traditional foods is the moment it stopped even having the façade of being a leftist movement. It’s basically diet greenwashing.
Frankly, I think it’s just an honest mistake. I wouldn’t call it “libshit”. Veganism carries all of the hallmarks of the things I dislike about the Religious Right, religious zeal bleeding into policy decisions until “I think it’s immoral” becomes “the world will fall apart without it”.
I see no difference between that and the “sex before marriage ruins families” attitudes, or some middle-eastern countries’ reasons for banning alcohol. Etc.
It’s also as often false as it is true. There is still such a massive demand for rescue dogs that people will pay a premium for them. There are foster households that are far from overfull. There are high-risk dog ranches that have room for more aggressive dogs, even human aggressive dogs.
Yes, there are times where you just cannot logicially find a match for a rescue. But there are also times where they put down a pet just miles away from someone who would foster or adopt them.
Unwanted animal euthanization rate in the US is arguably at an all-time low. And yet, PETA’s euthanization rate is still high, high enough that groups like the AKC are openly criticizing them for it.
There’s food that goes to waste all over the world. The main issue isn’t the lack of it, but how to get it where it needs to. People might be looking for animals to adopt while PETA euthanises the ones they receive not because they want to, but because the operational costs of shipping / holding until someone will pick up said animal would be unmanageable.
First, the fact other shelters are willing to overpop to take animals in need and are generally not overpopulated right now. Intake counts have been stagnant and predictable year over year. Shelter and adopter supply exists to match the demand and PETA isn’t just getting animals every other shelter is denying.
Second, for their operational costs. If they can’t run a shelter, then they shouldn’t run the shelter. Period. The shelters I know run on a shoestring budget and manage well enough. Perhaps if PETA were primarily a shelter and not primarily an activist organization, fewer animals would have to die.
Look at PETA’s expenses. They bring in $82MM, and spend less than $23MM of it on “Research, Investigations, and Rescue” combined. You’re right, the operational costs are too high, and they don’t want to cut into their $33+16=$49MM investment in advocacy.
Many people involved in animal rescue rightly criticize PETA for fighting for “animal rights” at the expense of the actual animals. That is why.
Animals are not ours to experiment on, eat, wear, use for entertainment, or abuse in any way. Explore this section to learn more about the issues. - PETA’s titular stance on the issues
That is NOT the value statement of an ethical shelter. That is the problem. They even think of having pets as a necessary evil in many ways.
What about the other side of the coin. People who run shelters and rescues who have their own (from experience) criticisms about PETA? I remember a friend of mine who ran a rescue and had to arrange night transportation for a tentatively homed animal because the PETA shelter was going to euthanize in the morning. She was fucking pissed at them. Oh, and they wouldn’t stay open late for her to pick the dog up, and they wouldn’t let her pick the dog up first thing in the morning when they opened.
In fact, I’ve had the opportunity to know a lot of people involved in volunteering/running shelters, and they are as disgusted at PETA as apparently the meat industry is. Accusations of laziness, disinterest in the well-being of individual animals, etc. I remember one of the people dealing with them tell me “I think they’d euthenize a cow to prevent me from buying a bottle of its milk”.
Also, to point to the Chihuahua story (since I care about this one). Nobody who claims to care about animal welfare should be euthanizing animals on pickup because they were asked to by someone that isn’t their owner. My fucking VET won’t even euthanize a healthy dog, and will insist on rehoming it if the owner wants to get rid of it. As someone who has helped pick up stray animals to transport to a shelter, the disposition of the person requesting the pickup is always ignored. No, we will not put down that cat who had kittens in your wall. But we will take it away.
EDIT: Also, what about the AKC? People forget that it’s not just the meat industry, but animal rescue and animal rights groups, that criticize PETA.
The thing people misunderstand is PETA isn’t a monolith, there are always going to be outliers that the media can hold up as an example of why people shouldn’t support them.
Sometimes PETA (intentionally?) overshoot, that happens when you try to move the border of current perceptions (i.e. animals are objects to be used for food, clothes, entertainment). I am not here to defend their tone or (lack of) tact, and there are a number of (sometimes downright stupid) PETA-campaigns I disagree with. I’m not trying to convice you to become their friend, but at least judge them for what they are doing, not for what they are said to do.
it might be against Reddit blind circle jerks but PETA has done heck a lot to fight against animal cruelty and they are extremely effective at passing legislations Here are just few examples.
1980’s
PETA’s first undercover investigation resulted in an end to crippling experiments on monkeys, the first-ever police raid on an animal-testing laboratory, the first animal experimentation case ever heard by the U.S. Supreme Court, and the first-ever prosecution and conviction of an animal experimenter on cruelty-to-animals charges. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Spring_monkeys
A PETA undercover investigation results in the first conviction of an experimenter for animal abuse and the first withdrawal of federal research funds because of cruelty to animals.
PETA exposed and shut down the U.S. Army’s plan to shoot dogs at an indoor firing range, leading the military to ban the use of dogs, cats, and primates in wound experiments and training.
1983
PETA gets a U.S. Department of Defense underground “wound lab” shut down and achieves a permanent ban on shooting dogs and cats in military wound laboratories.
1984
PETA closes down a Texas slaughterhouse operation in which 30,000 horses were trucked in and left to starve in frozen fields without shelter.
1985
After PETA publicizes the gross mistreatment of animals at City of Hope in California, the government suspends more than $1 million of the laboratory’s federal funding.
1986
As a result of PETA’s campaign, the SEMA research laboratory in Maryland stops confining chimpanzees to isolation chambers.
1987
PETA stops a plan by Cedars-Sinai, California’s largest hospital, to ship stray dogs from Mexico to California for experiments.
1988
For the first time, PETA conducts a year-long undercover investigation at Biosearch, a cosmetics and household product testing laboratory, uncovering more than 100 violations of federal and state anti-cruelty laws.
1988
PETA President Ingrid Newkirk addresses some of the 35,000 people attending PETA’s Animal Rights Music Festival at the Washington Monument on June 11, 1988. It’s a breakthrough event that puts PETA on the pop-culture radar screen, with extensive coverage on MTV, thanks to headliners The B-52s, Natalie Merchant, and Howard Jones.
1989
PETA persuades Avon, Benetton, Mary Kay, Amway, Kenner, Mattel, and Hasbro to stop testing on animals. Note: Many of these companies have started testing on animals again in order to sell their products in China.
1990
After PETA exposes the backstage beating of orangutans by Las Vegas entertainer Bobby Berosini, his wildlife permit is suspended and his show closes.
1990
PETA’s first sensational vegetarian commercial is “Meat Stinks” with Grammy winner k.d. lang in July 1990. The spot gets her banned on country radio networks but draws such massive coverage that her album goes gold! Her gold record still adorns the walls of the Sam Simon Center, PETA’s Virginia headquarters.
1991
PETA’s “Silver Spring monkeys” case marks the first animal experimentation case ever heard by the U.S. Supreme Court.The court gives a unanimous, positive ruling
1992
PETA’s undercover investigation into foie gras production prompts the first-ever police raid on a factory farm. PETA convinces many restaurants to stop selling the vile product.
1992
PETA’s “Rather Go Naked Than Wear Fur” campaign is launched on the streets of Tokyo outside a Japanese fur expo on February 18, 1992. Led by PETA staff member Dan Mathews and Julia Sloane, the protest makes headlines around the world and leads to PETA’s iconic naked celebrity ad series.
1993
All car-crash tests on animals stop worldwide following PETA’s hard-hitting campaign against General Motors’ use of live pigs and ferrets in crash tests.
A California furrier is charged with cruelty to animals after a PETA investigator films him electrocuting chinchillas by clipping wires to the animals’ genitals. In another undercover exposé, PETA catches a fur rancher on videotape causing minks to die in agony by injecting them with a weedkiller. Both fur farms agree to stop these cruel killing methods.
1994
Less than a month after PETA supporters occupy Calvin Klein‘s office in New York—an action that leads to a meeting between the designer and a PETA representative—Klein announces that he will no longer design with fur, the first major fashion designer to do so.
1995
PETA persuades Mobil, Texaco, Pennzoil, Shell, and other oil companies to cover their exhaust stacks after showing how millions of birds and bats have become trapped in them and been burned to death.
1995
PETA’s efforts lead to the first-ever cruelty charges filed against a factory farmer for cruelty to chickens for allowing tens of thousands of chickens to starve to death. The president of the company ultimately pleads guilty.
1996
Following PETA’s campaign, NASA pulls out of Bion—a joint U.S., French, and Russian experiment in which monkeys wearing straitjackets were to have electrodes implanted in their bodies and be launched into space.
1996
PETA convinces Gillette to observe a moratorium on animal testing after a colorful years-long campaign, including the presentation of shareholder resolutions at Gillette’s annual meetings and support from compassionate celebrities Paul McCartney, Lily Tomlin, Hugh Grant, and Elizabeth Hurley.
1997
A PETA investigation that documented the anal electrocution of foxes leads to the first-ever guilty plea by a fur rancher to cruelty-to-animals charges.
1998
PETA succeeds in getting Taiwan to pass its first-ever law against cruelty to animals after the group rescues countless dogs from being beaten, starved, electrocuted, and drowned in Taiwan’s pounds.
1999
Undercover investigations into pig-breeding factory farms in North Carolina and Oklahoma reveal horrific conditions and daily abuse of pigs, including the fact that one pig was skinned alive, leading to the first-ever felony indictments of farm workers.
1999
PETA conducts an undercover investigation into the Nielsen Farmspuppy mill in Kansas, which reveals extremely small enclosures and rampant sickness, abuse, and death. Our investigation leads to the closure of the facility and a $20,000 fine from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). The Nielsens are also “permanently disqualified from being licensed” by the USDA.
1999
PETA’s grassroots campaign, Congressional testimony, and scientific documentation drivethe White House and the EPA to spare 800,000 animals from chemical toxicity testing in the high production volume chemical-testing program.
As many as 4.5 million animals were sparedfrom chemical tests in a massive European Union testing program after PETA provided documentation of duplicative testing. This may be the largest victory for animals that has ever occurred.
I had to stop there because comment limit, I’ve given more recent example in follow up comments, even then these examples are just the tip of the iceberg.
2018
General Mills agreed to ban all experiments on animals for the purpose of making health claims about its foods after talks with PETA about the cruelty of animal studies and their irrelevance to humans.
Following years of pressure from PETA and U.S. Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-Calif.), the U.S. Coast Guard has become the first branch of the military to end the shooting, stabbing, dismembering, and killing of animals in trauma training drills. In public records obtained by PETA, the agency confirmed the ban in writing, adding that it will now use superior medical simulators in these training exercises.
After PETA’s exposé led to the closure of The Pet Blood Bank in Texas, a filthy dog blood farm, and the rescue of 151 greyhounds, the greyhound racing industry adopted long-overdue standards on blood banks. The National Greyhound Association barred its members from directly sending greyhounds to any blood bank operation, established rules for the length of time dogs can be used for their blood, and requires spaying or neutering, veterinary exams, and subsequent adoption.
The Japanese government stops requiring year-long pesticide poisoning tests on dogs, sparing hundreds of dogs. The move came after PETA scientists provided extensive scientific support for doing so over the course of three years. Japan joins the U.S., the E.U., and Canada in dropping this requirement after urging from PETA.
On March 2, 2017, PETA filed a complaint alleging that the city of Arcadia violated the California Environmental Quality Act when it adopted a program to trap and kill coyotes without first assessing the environmental impact that such actions would have. On April 4, the City Council rescinded its prior adoption and allocation of funds for the trapping program—which effectively mooted the substance of our case.
After decades of campaigning against fur, PETA reached a tipping point: Hundreds of major companies have banned it—including high-end designers Giorgio Armani, Gucci, John Galliano, Donna Karan, Donatella Versace, Michael Kors, and Jimmy Choo—and InStyle became the first major fashion magazine to ban it. Meghan Markle, the Duchess of Sussex, won’t wear it, and San Francisco and Norway both banned it, joining Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Germany, and Japan.
PETA’s 2013 exposé of the angora wool industry, which revealed that rabbits scream in pain as they’re stretched across boards and their hair is torn out, led more than 330 brands worldwide to ban angora. These include the world’s three largest retailers—H&M, Gap Inc., and Inditex (which owns Zara)—as well as Stella McCartney, Topshop, ASOS, Forever 21, Ralph Lauren, and Italian luxury designer Gucci. Just one year after we released the video footage, exports were down 85 percent—numbers are now so low that trade information databases have stopped tracking angora. PETA’s campaign has decimated the industry.
PETA’s 2018 video exposé of the mohair industry—which was the world’s first behind-the-scenes look into it—revealed egregious abuse in South Africa, the world’s top mohair producer. After learning from PETA that mohair is stolen from terrified angora goats—who are often cut open during shearing, dragged, thrown by the legs and tails, and mutilated before being killed—more than 300 brands around the world banned the fiber. Inditex, Zara, Topshop, Gap, H&M, ASOS, Ralph Lauren, Diane von Furstenberg, Brooks Brothers, Crate & Barrel, Esprit, Forever 21, Express, and UNIQLO are just a few of the kind companies to do so.
In a monumental victory for animals, Chanel became the first major high-end fashion brand to ban exotic skins—including those from crocodiles, lizards, and snakes! Fashion icon and designer Victoria Beckham also pledged to stop using exotic skins in her designs, and luxury clothing brand Diane von Furstenberg pledged to stop using them as well. These victories follow decades of pressure from PETA and mean that countless animals will be spared a miserable life and a painful, violent death.
Following Israel’s historic ban on “shackle and hoist” beef imports, the largest U.S. kosher certifier, the Orthodox Union (OU), announced that it would no longer accept beef from slaughterhouses that use that archaic and cruel method of kosher slaughter. The OU said that roughly one-third of the kosher beef that it certifies for import into the U.S. comes from South America—where PETA has conducted three investigations documenting the painful method.
AirBridgeCargo Airlines enacted a policy banning the transportation of monkeys to laboratories anywhere in the world following a campaign in which tens of thousands of PETA supporters contacted the airline to urge it to stop participating in this sordid trade. On these types of flights, monkeys who were bred on squalid factory farms or taken from their families in the wild are crammed into small wooden crates and transported to laboratories, where they endure all manner of torment and are denied everything that’s natural and important to them.
Following a PETA appeal, South Korea stopped requiring that dogs be subjected to a yearlong pesticide poisoning test. Japan, Canada, the EU, and the U.S. also eliminated this cruel test following discussions with PETA scientists, sparing thousands of dogs.
Dove—one of the world’s most widely available personal care–product brands—bans all tests on animals anywhere in the world and is added to PETA’s Beauty Without Bunnies cruelty-free companies list. In addition, Unilever—which owns the Dove brand—bans all tests on animals not required by law for the rest of its products and is added to PETA’s list of companies “Working for Regulatory Change,” a category that recognizes businesses that test on animals only when explicitly required to do so by law, are transparent with PETA about any tests on animals that have been conducted and why, and work diligently to promote the development, validation, and acceptance of non-animal methods.
Following a PETA Asia exposé of an elephant polo tournament in Thailand, PETA and their affiliates persuade a dozen companies—including IBM, Johnnie Walker, and Vespa—to drop their sponsorships. The tournament’s organizing body later announced that it won’t seek another permit, effectively putting an end to elephant polo in the country.
Most of the criticism of PETA you read on Reddit etc. comes straight from the mouths of the Center for Organizational Research and Education (CORE), formerly known as the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF). It’s basically a corporate propaganda organization with donors like Tyson Foods, Wendy’s, and Coca-Cola. They also run campaigns claiming obesity isn’t that major of a problem and that you can eat 10 times as much mercury from fish as experts recommend. The vast majority of the animals PETA euthanizes are suffering and are brought to PETA’s shelter by their owners specifically to be put out of their misery, but the CCF distorts that into “PETA is stealing people’s pets off the streets” and Reddit etc. gobbles it up.
The media also knows that PETA is an easy target. Years ago I read an article in one of the British tabloids (the Sun or the Mirror) with a headline something like, “PETA blasts child’s bunny wedding!” But if you actually read the article, what happened is a kid dressed up some bunnies in wedding outfits, the “journalist” reached out to PETA and asked them to comment, and PETA said something like, “we don’t support dressing rabbits in costumes because it may be stressful for them.” And that was the end of the story, but that wouldn’t get clicks so they distorted the headline to make it sound like PETA was protesting or attacking the kid on their own accord.
Lastly; remember they’re not a monolith, and I can’t honestly say that I back everything they do 100%, BECAUSE of that.
They should still be scrutinised, but for the right reasons.
WHY are you finishing like this with a rant you started with me pointing to the experiences of people who run rescues? You sound like a talking head. No, ALL of the criticism of PETA I read on reddit come from individuals who hate PETA for their own valid reasons.
AKS is not just about pedigree dogs. Having personal involvement with the AKC rescue network, I don’t really care what the BBC might have said about them when the topic is PETA. AKC is ethically better positioned than PETA wrt rescue animals, full stop.
Also, I don’t see why I should. You listed 100 good things PETA did. I can probably pick my worst enemy and find a list of good things they did.
The AKC isn’t the bastion of good you’re making it out to be. They quite literally haven’t got the dogs interest at the forefront of their minds, but the amount of campaigns and disinformation throughout the years has made people like yourself blindly support them because Idk, dogs are cute and everyone should have one?
No. I don’t think dogs are for our enjoyment, and as long as ACK sees them as objects for us, I can’t take you seriously in saying they care about the welfare and rights of dogs.
You’re either being massively disingenuous (which makes sense with the fact you didn’t read the info I posted), you genuinely believe that kennel clubs are ethical, or you’re the PR account for AKC lol.
Dogs are objects in our society. They are bred and bought, and those that aren’t wanted are thrown away. That is wrong.
I’m a huge animal lover, and have spent most of my life around literal nature worshippers. And I can’t think of one who could pull that “Dogs are objects in our society” PETA rhetoric with a straight face.
What does this mean? If you can’t challenge what I put, and resort to ad hominim, this is just textbook anti peta parroting whatever supports your narrative…
I’m a huge animal lover
Oh awesome me too! How long have you been vegan? :)
Yeah I’ll be honest, i thought exactly the same as you about PETA before going vegan. But if you’re vegan, you’re intent on reducing the suffering of animals right? So it’s not too much of a leap to imagine a world where the people with the most money and the most to lose have orchestrated an incredibly effective smear campaign.
I’m giving you the benefit of doubt and assuming you’re here in good faith. As a fellow vegan, you must understand the commodification of sentient beings is absolutely unnecessary in 2023
Oh awesome me too! How long have you been vegan? :)
Never. I eat the deer that has to die due to overpopulation. Flip-side, I’d say anyone who lets that meat rot is the one that isn’t an animal lover (and that includes vegans).
This whole “you can’t be an animal lover if you’re not a vegan” tripe is bullshit. But worse than being bullshit, you automatically lose whoever you were talking to from ever taking your side seriously even if you actually have good points.
Yeah I’ll be honest, i thought exactly the same as you about PETA before going vegan. But if you’re vegan, you’re intent on reducing the suffering of animals right?
I am not an anti-natalist. I am not willing to euthanize animals for some great aggregate goal. As an animal lover, both of those end goals of PETA disgust me. And I’m far from alone. The **only ** way to reduce animal suffering is to wipe them all out and re-engineer their natural habitats. I oppose that. I’m ok with a world where animals (including humans) suffer, but that we work to better things. We had a decent balance once, then it went to shit. I’m not about making it go MORE to shit.
So it’s not too much of a leap to imagine a world where the people with the most money and the most to lose have orchestrated an incredibly effective smear campaign.
You seem to be ignoring, or forgetting, my points. Every complaint I have presented is a first-party complaint against PETA by people who are not part of a smear campaign. So if you’re asking if I’m willing to believe the small animal shelter run by a good friend of mine is part of an “incredibly effective smear campaign”, I’m going to laugh you out the door.
That kind of nonsense reminds me of the people who used to cry about “the gay agenda”. I’m sorry.
I’m giving you the benefit of doubt and assuming you’re here in good faith
I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt of the same, but your last post has made it difficult. Requiring me to be a vegan to be an animal lover (when I mentioned being around nature-worshippers, it should have been obvious). Implying, perhaps unintentionally, that people I know are part of some giant smear campaign. No.
you must understand the commodification of sentient beings is absolutely unnecessary in 2023
What does anything have to do with mass-euthanasia? Are you actually “merciful depopulation”? That is very different from hunters culling overpopulated areas.
None of this is good retort to the valid criticisms, and it is disingenuous to pretend it’s all “big meat” doing it.
Literally everyone I know involved deeply enough in animal rights despises PETA the same way every Muslim I know hates Al Quaida. They hate them for what they stand for, and even more hate them for the reputation they give.
PETA has done some horrible shit for sure, but the pet thing is usually taken out of context.
PETA has made it clear that they aren’t against humans having pets, but they are against breeders using various animals as pet baby mills with no regard to the animal’s health or well being. They are also against abducting animals in a manner that might be painful to them.
Whether you like PETA or not, I think they do hold a good position on this topic.
The reason their kill shelters are so high is literally in the info dump above. If you don’t want to read that’s fine, but you have no valid argument till you do.
Bro, there are more pet animals in shelters than people wanting them and breeders still breed more. What do you do if you have a thousand dogs, growing more, in animal shelters? Build more shelters? Or do you start breeding people who want to adopt dogs?
One side hates him because he tried to kill their god.
Another side hates him because he missed.
And another side hates him for attempting it in the first place because all it does is make an already very unstable political situation even worse no matter the outcome.
I mean, define “popular politician” / " unpopular politician." Does the fact that the media constantly shoves all these yahoos in our faces make these political figures popular? Unpopular? It’s all corrupt and I hate every mention of ANY politician’s names, while some people choose politicians to cheer for like it’s a fekkin sports team.
Ignoring the joke, it is actually obsolete. The last ninja family refuses to name a successor, pass on certain techniqies, etc. so technically, no more official ninja
They’ll change their minds one a skilled but arrogant youth appears on their doorstep. They will, of course, be later killed by his nemesis, but not before transfering their legacy onto him.
Besides that this was actually funny, I wish I could get my time back for filling out any official forms and documents. Could take a nice long vacation in that time…
If there’s one thing I know about the situation, a LOT of people who otherwise haven’t bothered are scrambling to download yuzu, if for any other reason to say fuck Nintendo.
I’ve used Darktable as an alternative before and I’m going to be trying it again as it was back in 3.something I last used Darktable
I really like the editing process in Lightroom but I’m hoping I can get used to something else
Davinci Resolve is one that I’ve used a lot and I’m happy there’s a Linux version, and the payment method is something I really enjoy about it compared to other editing software
Those who said this in the past didn’t really know anything, but I can tell you this year will be different. This will be the year of the GNU+Linux desktop.
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