I’ve flown on AA’s international business and first class. The difference is negligible in terms of the seats and most people in them were complimentary upgrades since they couldn’t fill the seats.
The bigger differences were on the ground with the dining and check in. So all AA is doing is creating a “Business Plus” category that gets you the first class amenities on the ground and then a business class seat. This lets them put more business class seats on the plane and open things up to a bigger revenue stream.
AA first has been a joke for a long time. It was an ever so slightly better seat and they served one extra course - a soup - but was otherwise identical to business class service. You can’t charge thousands more for soup.
First class has been dying for years - and the only airlines that will do it, it’s really a prestige thing more than a profit center.
AA is the last United States based airline to even have one. This move is an industry-wide trend now that lie-flat business class seats are standard. Business class has gotten much nicer in the past 10 years and taken away the customers that previously would have flown in first.
I’d rather fly Qatar qsuites or many other si-enclosed business class seats than the first class ones remaining on European airlines like British Airways, Lufthansa, of air France. And doing so is a fraction of the price.
ITT: “it costs more than 5 bucks a month!” yeah, if you don’t share with friends with family, it does. Also, music service included, deduct your spotify payment.
“You can just block ads” You can just miss the whole point.
“I rather support creators directly” I’m happy you do that. YouTube hosting is not free for Google/Alphabet, pay them too, or you’ll have to teach each and every creator how to webhost + help em search a “real job” because selfhosted won’t pay enough. Also, good fun browsing videos then.
IDK man, paying for YT Premium really isn’t that bad. Assuming you already consume YouTube content, that is. And I’m pretty sure that’s like 98% of first world population between 4 and 70.
Blocking ads on YouTube is no sustainable solution. Hosting Billions of Gigabytes of on-demand content is SUPER expensive. Like, it actually costs money. Other, wayyy smaller indie creator on-demand video platforms charge 5 bucks a month, but i’ts okay if they do it, because they aren’t big bad Alphabet.
If that’s your view, you don’t have a problem with pricing, you have a problem with morals. And if you still do voluntarily consume YouTube content in private, with or without ads in any which way, you inarguably have a huge problem with your own morals.
YouTube premium is a good deal. It’s priced very well compared with competition, it actually does pay indie creators and it let’s you access to features that many users really do use.
BUTBUT THEY ARTIFICIALLY LIMIT FEATURES FOR NO REASON WITHOUT PREMIUM. I mean, it’s subscription software and streaming, what else would they do? Every for profit subscription software provider and their mother does this. I develop hospital software and we literally do exactly this. If hospital A has feature x and hospital B also wants that, we don’t just hand that out for free even when we just have to add it to their system in like 10 minutes… what did you expect? They already use our software (like you use YouTube), we don’t have a huge incentive to just randomly add features if nobody paid for it. If we do, be happy about it, send me a gift card, if we or they don’t, that’s just business.
Google tells me 24 bucks for family. That’s equal to what I do. I actually do pay that for all of em, but technically, it’s just under 5 bucks a person since I share with 4 others.
Can the other people still use their own accounts like Apple does it? As in I just give my subscription to other accounts and that’s it. Nothing actually changes for them except that they have a subscription now.
Basically, not sure how Apple does it though. You have a Google family group. You can add individual accounts to that. The group owner cannot see any activities of other accounts, but he could remove people without their permission.
Removed users only lose active family subscriptions like youtube premium and google one (storage). Their watch histories and whatnot will remain the same. Watch out with Google one. If you have Google one and use more storage than google free, then remove google one, you only get a limited time period to remove data over the limit. Afterwards it gets inaccessible, I don’t think they delete anything, but no insurance on that.
Or 5. It holds 6 people… 4 € per person best case. As for now, they aren’t enforcing same household sharing only, like Netflix do. I can’t tell you about the future.
Also, not to support such behaviour, but if you aren’t made of money, I’m totally okay with you teleporting to Argentina, subscribing to YT Premium at maybe 5 $ a month, and teleporting back to never go there again. That doesn’t require an argentinian CC.
I’m not sure about legal technicalities, but I do know that it currently works. Personally, I don’t risk it if they ever decide to ban associated accounts, because u know, they totally can refuse to service you, if they were to feel like it.
Why would I pay YouTube that when I can give it directly to the creators though. I’ll just adblock and not put money in the hands of Google, while helping the creators more.
YouTube is far from the only video hosting site, and far from the only way to do it. Peertube, Vimeo, Patreon, Floatplane, Nebula, bitchute to name some examples of sites already set up, with monetisation, with youtube creators actively posting on them. Twitch rivals like Kick and Rumble could also absolutely pivot into taking YTs market share too
I mean without YouTube/ Google the alternative for most creators would be to host the videos themselves. And then you would have like 20 Sites which you had to check yourself regularly to get new videos. I get that YouTube isn’t the best solution, but the alternative is much worse. There is a reason why we don’t all still have our own small WordPress blogs.
Yep. And if you look at video platforms that actually have to pay for their own bandwidth (Floatplane by LTT), you’re going to end up paying $5 PER CREATOR. Hosting video on Vimeo is also super expensive.
You know, RSS exists to literally circumvent this problem, albeit for articles. A lot of sites still have it, people just forgot that this is a thing. Little bit of a chore to setup, but its actually pretty nice. Obviously finding these sites is the hard part, but a good search engine (kagi btw) could make it work.
Also PeerTube exists as well, which reduces the cost of hosting videos.
5 bucks? If only… It’s 12 euros per month here, which is simply too expensive for the kind of content I watch on YT. Especially considering the amount of baked in product placement (VPN, diet plans, that kind of crap) that I come across, I’m not paying that kind of money just to still get hammered with commercials. Sorry, but YouTube Premium is a bad deal here.
Either watch ads or pay for Premium. Or don’t watch Youtube. Those are the three choices most people will have. And it’s Youtube’s right as a private platform to give them those choices.
It’s worth it for me because I watch a lot of Youtube. In return, I don’t watch traditional TV, so I don’t pay for cable or similar things.
No, I’m not here to defend Alphabet. I’m just saying it’s equal to stealing groceries at Wallmart. They request payment, you deny. Just because it’s so much easier to do on YouTube doesn’t mean it’s any more justifiable.
You mean the browsers that Google is throttling Youtube on, if they’re blocking ads? I use Firefox with SponsorBlock myself, but I’d say that most people are using either Chrome or Edge and would not switch to Firefox, despite of how much better it would be. Most people just like what they’re used to.
Man, you’re all over this thread sticking up to Google. You should apply there. They just laid off 100 YouTube employees. At least you’d be paid to shill.
Fuck off lol. I’m not sticking up for Google/Alphabet, they’re an untrustworthy company and as someone working in tech, I hate the trend of layoffs currently going on, all to make shareholders happy.
I’m sticking up for people actually paying for the services they use. Streaming videos costs a shitton of money (servers, bandwith, platform maintenance, etc.) and Youtube has lost money for literal YEARS, which they are trying to fix. If Youtube went under for being too unprofitable, most creators on the platform would be out of a job. As long as there’s no proper competing platform, Youtube is the best we have.
Unfortunately though it is ‘pay for Premium and still watch ads’. So many videos have the ads baked in by the content creators. Yes, you can manually seek forward, but that’s annoying and defeating the purpose of Premium. Especially for the price they ask in my country.
Either watch ads or pay for Premium. Or don’t watch Youtube. Those are the three choices most people will have. And it’s Youtube’s right as a private platform to give them those choices.
I fully agree, never suggested otherwise. But fortunately free speech allows us to have an opinion about a product.
I get what you’re saying, and yes, sponsored segments can be pretty annoying, even if it’s up to the creator how annoying they are. Either way, I just run SponsorBlock, so I can skip those segments with one click.
What people call “demonetized” on YouTube is actually called “no or limited ads” inside of YouTube Studio. It’s not Google but the advertisers who don’t want their Coca-Cola ads shown on those videos. YouTube Premium views still pay out on those videos since they’re not ad views.
If everyone paid for YouTube Premium and didn’t use the ad-supported product, then advertiser boycotts would have no power.
Since alternatives that manage traffic in a better way exist, such as peertube and odysee, google can burn in hell, it’s a shitty company that slows down competition, I don’t give anything to a company that spends its budget on bullshit as manifest V3. I pay the creators with PayPal or Patreon, not with 70% of a subscription.
I pay for family account (6 Gmail account subscriptions I think). And share it with family. Between my sister/BIL and a friend, I would be paying 5 bucks a month. I pay for it myself but that’s because I’m subsidizing it for them. She is an amazing cook and he’s a doctor one speed dial away. Don’t want to jinx that. But I digress.
My point is, it’s way cheaper when you get family account and share the cost. If that’s a possibility . Also, I don’t use Spotify, and I download music and videos for trips. So there’s that.
There’s “if someone wants to use my work, they should pay me for it” and there’s “intentionally sabotage the work/service provided in order to extract more profits.”
service provider: “Hello, I’m a window cleaner, do you want me to clean your windows? I’ll actually do it for free this time! Please recommend me to your peers”
customer: “yes please”
service provider: “all done! Want me to do it again in three months time?”
customer: “yes, I love free stuff!”
service provider: “actually, I’d have to charge for that, can’t work for free all the time.”
I don’t see how the pricing for Premium is unreasonable. I do, however see, how they are too aggressive with ads. That’s why I said paying for premium is a better deal than watching ads. If you don’t agree with either compensation, don’t use their service
It’s completely fair that your view on the pricing is different than mine.
Complete transparency, I do play their ads sometimes. I only refuse if I’m watching on my phone directly, but I cast from the official app. And I will have YouTube playing when I’m eating or playing a game on the steam deck.
The thing people should be referring to instead of it being a racket is that YouTube has a stranglehold on creators. I can watch streaming vids on another service, but if I want to consume content from small creators, I have to use YouTube. There isn’t a real option for alternatives.
So, I do provide the platform with some money. Then I pay creators in a way where they get a higher dollar amount than YouTube would give them.
It depends on the how the contract is written but generally billing a client the full time to develop an existing feature that “could be turned on in 10 min.” is a good example of fraudulent misrepresentation. A business/industry that replies on that (like your example) is a racket.
Yes, I understand that’s how the world of ‘software as a service’ works and yes I am calling it a racket.
YT Premium is the single most valuable subscription service on the net right now. Don't regret mine a bit. I listen to hours and hours of YT Music a day, and I watch probably a few hours of YT content a night as well.
Last 7 days (from right now): 24h 30min
Last time I used Netflix in a high volume: Probably <12h. At absolute highest maybe 18-20h in total.
But: YT usage is consistant. Netflix/service of choice is at best a seasonal happening if a show is very good and you binge it.
So to me it’s worth it enough to keep. But I’d want to have an option to remove music as I prefer Spotify, have optionally Jellyfin and dont need yt music.
You say that today. Give it a couple years. I’m pretty sure that by 2030, the cost will be ~100 dollars/euros/whatever per month and you’ll see 2 minutes of ads for every single minute of content you watch. (Okay, maybe the number of ads is an exaggeration, but I don’t think the monthly cost is.)
Can’t lose paying customers if they have nowhere to go. Youtube basically own the western audience and they simply can’t switch to youtube competitors because there isn’t any left. At least japan still has niconico and china has a lot since youtube doesn’t operate there.
I get you’re saying its a great value because of what you get out of it, but I’m not comfortable pricing things in that way… I’d rather it be based on the actual cost. I know real prices don’t tend to work that way (or at least not in many cases) but it just feels icky and exploitative still.
The problem is that they actually don’t mean that. And truthfully I don’t mind the idea of paying for video hosting, that shit’s expensive, but YouTube is going about it in the worst way possible.
Do you mean the actual video buffer or the page’s loading time? Because they made it take 5~ seconds longer to load on Firefox when they started going after adblockers and my filter that replaced it with 0.0001 (or whatever) seconds hasn’t been working for a little bit.
No no, we mean it, at least at that price. I'd be willing to kick YouTube a few bucks a month. I'm not going to pay them more per month than most MMOs. They're trying to charge streaming service prices for content they don't produce.
This idea that nobody on the internet is willing to pay for anything is outdated. Most people know that if it’s not money, they’re paying in data, time and/or attention. I much prefer paying with money, as do most people that use Proton, Kagi and other paid alternatives to free Google products.
Right. Some people get stuck up about getting things for free that they think they should get for free.* But a lot of the problem is the obnoxious ways companies go about control and profit.
*There are important arguments to be had about freedom, still.
Sorry, I think the last Windows I had installed anywhere was XP. I was like “which windows logo is that? should I look it up?” but then I was like “nah, fuck it”.
They used to go for the Distort tool. Then, the Skew tool was all the rage. And now, they realized that Photoshop subscriptions are a ripoff and stopped using it altogether.
If you really want to be pedantic… that’s not even the Microsoft logo to begin with. Microsoft didn’t use the Windows logo for their own company logo, at least during that time period.
“It’s a single pane window. A single pane of glass. It symbolizes the synergy between man and machine. Window 12 offers an enhanced user experience with greater simplicity and clarity. Also, we’ve revamped our mobile and iOT OS lines which we’re calling ‘Porthole 12’ and ‘Peephole 12’ respectively.” -Microsoft, Probably
Microsoft doesn’t give things new names. It reuses the same name for a vastly different product to keep everyone confused. Outlook. Outlook (the hosted email service). Outlook express. Skype. Skype for business. Teams. Teams professional. Etc etc.
“If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings.” - Nelson Mandela
What does a terrorist group sacrificing Palestinians for the palaces of their leadership who assault and kill people in an international music festival dedicated to peace have to do with a famous politician and anti-apartheid activist who did his best to do things the right way? Stop gaslighting with terrorist apologism.
As a serious note, what has happened on 7th of october was most definitely known beforehand by Israeli government and was entirely under their control, if not staged by them in the first place. Unless you don’t know, the gaza strip is (unlawfully) blockaded from all sides, including the sea, with rigorous checkpoint inspections to make sure that absolutely nothing goes in or out without Israeli knowledge. There is a huge fucking wall on the border that’d make Trump jealous, patrolled 24/7 by a whole battalion of armed forces and equipped with the most state-of-the art surveillance equipment, capable of tracking every single bird flying over Gaza. The only way a bunch of bozos on bulldozers could even approach it undetected is if Israeli intentionally removed security and disabled surveillance over some parts of the wall.
Can’t attest to their intentions but “speak for yourself” would be the continuation of the ken m “we are all x on this blessed day” meme, whether or not that’s what you were going for.
Ya, the whole ’ oppressor’ v ’ oppressed’ narrative has caused some younger people to lose their understanding and morality. Mother fuckers are cheering for bin Laden and the Houthis right now, let alone Hamas. It’s completely fucked up. Those are the bad guys, there’s no way to argue otherwise reasonably.
No, kids think terrorism is based because you boomers keep calling good people terrorists.
PS: Israel and Hamas are on the same side. They both want a war. Every anti-Israel person is anti-Hamas, and every pro-Israel person is pro-Hamas. If Israel gave equal rights to Palestinians, nobody would give Hamas good press anymore. No new recruits. People would leave. Hamas’ existence is a choice Israel continues to make every day.
So bin Laden, the Houthis and Hamas are good people?
That’s who these people are cheering for. The Houthi flag is the call of the good guys?
That you think Hamas wouldn’t exist if Israel provided equal rights, shows you are not familiar with the players involved here. Their charter says clearly otherwise, so do their actions. So does the entire history of the region. The goal is the removal of the Jewish people, same as it’s been for centuries. They’re not shy about sharing that either. You should listen to them.
My exact thoughts. Give me this choice at 19 or 20, sure I’ll restart. Now though, the money would just be nice to provide security to the most valuable thing - my girls.
Any point in time before my body broke down and a chance to not get through the troubles I had in my twenties? The ability to build neuronal structures like a child instead of learning anew profession in my thirties? Hell, I’m not gonna say no to that.
Exactly, if you make changes to things you wish you’d done differently, you could drastically alter your life enough to where you’d be in unknown territory rather quickly.
Sure you’d still have the “dump savings into Bitcoin, sell in September 2020” thing that would make you richer than the blue pill ever could, but the mistakes we make are the biggest reason to relive the past and once you alter those you’d quicky change the course of your life.
I enjoy Lex’s longform style but man he does nothing journalistic, which drives me crazy. He’ll ask a hard question but never pushes back on answer cause he’s concerned about being friends with everyone moreso than actually challenging someone’s PR answer that never exists in reality.
When your topic is AI, and it’s at the forefront of national attention you’re pretty useless if you don’t have the stones to actually challenge these pie in the sky type answers the regulars give on his show.
Altman “It’s going to make money useless and probably result in massive unemployment. But I think everyone should have some say in the development in AGI and how we handle it.”
Lex “Wow that’s so noble. Anyways, do you think we can have AI friends someday.”
Like you don’t have to be mean or rude but you gotta have the courage to press some of these guests on their bullshit.
He can’t ask probing questions or he’d inadvertently expose the scam. These people are hucksters, plain and simple. Lex is getting that sweet ad revenue from rubes that think he’s asking deep or meaningful questions, and the fact people haven’t caught on to his scam blows my mind.
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