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Sanctus , (edited ) in Wait. I've seen this movie
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“In order to ensure the security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first American Christian Empire! For a safe and secure society!”

-Trump after democracy ends with thunderous applause.

Sterile_Technique ,
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Some old Pastafarian: “Uuuuse the forks!”

White House erupts into a giant mushroom cloud. Like, literal mushrooms, and trace amounts of marinara and noodles.

Hupf , (edited )

Linguine con Funghi

gimsy ,

Funghi

Hupf ,

Tx!

SkunkWorkz ,

You’re a fun guy

Fargeol , in agile is far left too. I will die on this hill
Chuymatt ,

Jeazus! Is that a gumdrop iMac?!

caseyweederman ,

No it’s Satan

shield_gengar ,
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Companies writing code be like: my source code

Companies using libraries be like: our source code

qwertyqwertyqwerty , in Yes, but

One’s an active decision and one is forced upon them. They are not the same.

bort ,

One’s an active decision

There are not so many quality notebooks without any brand-logos on them.

Also wearing a brand-logo when you have the choice not to, is kinda cringe.

CommanderCloon ,

Agreed on both, though if I ever get a personnal macbook (which I’m definitely considering, their silicon is so good), it’s definitely gonna involve a sticker

qwertyqwertyqwerty ,

Seriously. Do people avoid buying Macbooks just because there’s a logo on the back? They make good hardware.

SeekPie , (edited )

But they’re overpriced and have made many anti-consumer choices and as a consequence have made other platforms worse, because many other companies like to follow Apple.

qwertyqwertyqwerty ,

I agree the hardware upgrades are obscenely expensive, but the base model pro’s are hard to beat for the price, depending on what you are looking for.

PraiseTheSoup ,

“hard to beat for the price” hahaha

qwertyqwertyqwerty ,
qwertyqwertyqwerty ,
qwertyqwertyqwerty , (edited )

I spent a little bit of time looking for true alternatives to a MacBook that would fit my needs, but there really aren’t any. Once you check out laptops with 16+ hour of battery life, then add a bright, HDR, color-accurate display, then add the performance of the M-series chips (which are not THE best, but certainly close to the best options from AMD and Intel), and decent speakers, there really isn’t anything to compete.

A base 14" M3 Pro is around $1750, which isn’t that far out of line for high-performing laptops in general. If someone needs something cheaper, they can get a used 14" M1 Pro for around $900-$1k. Also, if you’re someone that already owns an iPhone, it’s kind of hard to even see why you would go with something else unless you are required to use Windows applications or want to play a bunch of AAA games.

I’m beginning to think that people that diss MacBooks are just people that never owned them.

For people that are really struggling financially, but still want the above features, the 2020 13" M1 Air w/16GB RAM and 256GB storage can be found for about $500.

saltesc ,

Mine was free!

I was an Apple employee, though… And they’d bin it and give me a new one every 24 months because upgrading’s not an option. Wouldn’t even wipe them and hand them/sell them to employees.

All the actual workhorse machines were Lenovo. If you worked with external clients, you’d get a Surface Pro so they didn’t have to work around your incompatibilities with their software, systems, and enterprise environments.

Also used to use an old Pentium 4 we found as a team server because multi-threading and 64-bit wasn’t available for some MS Enterprise applications in macOS then, but 365 and applications like Power BI is obviously what Apple runs on. This ancient box had a 4:3 monitor and an IBM logo on it, so it was made some time before 2005. But 64-bit CPU and no macOS, so it crunched calculations faster than the 6-core i7 in the MBPs. The day we could finally use all cores and 64-bit on the macOS systems was amazing, but we still kept the old IBM box around to monitor and log connections. I like to think my old friend is still kicking on…

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Find another well build machine in a similar form factor that performs similarly, and gets even comparable battery life. Raw benchmarking performance isn’t the only value to a laptop.

The dell xps 13+ maybe? But that’s 13th Gen. intel and battery life is pretty awful.

melpomenesclevage ,

But its all chained to shit rabidly anti consumer borderline soyware proprietary ecosystem software, so it’s basically trash.

Also, they’ve been making some really fucking stupid design decisions. Fucking camera in the middle of my fucking screen? Kill yourself, I’d rather just not have it.

ZeffSyde ,

I want to see if I can find a quality Gateway 2000 decal I can stick on my next laptop so nobody touches it.

PraiseTheSoup ,

Most people probably wouldn’t even recognize the gateway logo anymore. It would work on me though. My past experience with gateways is entirely negative.

southsamurai ,
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Man, gateway sucked, but I had one great experience with them. They got me laid in an incredible way, so that logo is dear to me.

JDubbleu ,

I don’t necessarily agree. If a brand makes high quality stuff I’m not gonna avoid them just because they put their logo on their stuff. I have a kickass Adidas backpack from 2014 that is by far my favorite, and I’ll be damned if I’m gonna get rid of it just because it has an Adidas logo on it.

I also have perfectly good clothes with various brands on them, and I’m not just gonna throw them away because that’s wasteful as hell. I don’t go out of my way to buy stuff with brands on them, but that won’t stop me from buying something I genuinely like and find to be high quality.

PeriodicallyPedantic , in Cavity search

I’m trying to figure out what X-ray equipment can be stolen that is worth only thousands of dollars. A case of those films you bite on when they x-ray your teeth?

TheFriar ,

And why, if you have photographic evidence of grand theft, you’d text the person who stole with just “this is Erica from the dentist office.”

I have a feeling this internet person is making stuff up.

pigup ,

👁️👄👁️

lowleveldata ,

She wants to make sure this criminal knows her name and number personally

Klear ,

But what about the hippopotamus?

LemmyKnowsBest ,

Because she saw him on video and she thinks he’s cute. And she also doesn’t value her safety and privacy. It all checks out. This story is totally credible. /s

kautau ,

brazzers logo

grahamja ,

You Really Think Someone Would Do That? Just Go On the Internet and Tell Lies?

kautau ,

And to think someone might post a comment on lemmy and capitalize every word! Nobody makes stuff up on the internet. Nobody capitalizes every word in a sentence. Sheeple will believe everything these days

GBU_28 ,

I could see that happening in a small town “please just return our equipment”

lars ,

Awwww. I love wholesome “Try That In A Small Town”.

TheBat ,
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Try that in a small town.

Restaldt ,

Nah this is real I was there

Trust me im a dentist

HawlSera ,

I can collaborate this story as well, I was the hippo.

rosymind ,

Yeaaah probably fake, but given that it could be easier to just get it back by asking rather than rescheduling patients, dealing with the police, and waiting for insurance to cover the expensive equipment it’s… possible that this is legit (probably not, but possible)

LemmyKnowsBest ,

If something costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, it’s also accurate to say it costs “thousands of dollars.”

Corkyskog ,

I am just imagining him bored waiting for them to come back and he is like “fuck this, I am taking this shit, make this wait worth my while” and then just pulls out a tool belt and starts unbolting the thing from the wall.

dingus , in The correct civilians to slaughter
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  • YeetPics ,
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    I don’t know what’s so hard about admitting that both sides are indeed at fault here.

    Well that perspective disagrees with both flavors of propaganda. It’s fucking true but nobody with a horse in the race will agree with you ever.

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  • prettybunnys ,

    It’s understandable too, how do you convince someone to stop fighting back so their enemy will stop punching them?

    Like, remember when your parents told you that the best way to stop arguing with someone was to just stop arguing?

    This is the same situation but instead of just arguing they’re literally committing war crimes and terrorist acts against each other.

    Hard to say who started it in the moment when both are acting, and when everyone is acting in it frankly the who started it becomes irrelevant when there is only one good solution, for everyone to stop.

    dingus ,
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    …and you’re treated as culturally insensitive if you point out that it’s partially motivated because of two bullshit ass religions, and the reason they won’t stop is because they’ve each just got to prove their God has the bigger dick, even though they’re technically the same God.

    Fried_out_Kombi , (edited )
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    how do you convince someone to stop fighting back so their enemy will stop punching them?

    Heck, part of it is you have to convince people to stop treating others as a monolith. Even the language of “their enemy will stop punching them” implies the entire populace of Israel is one monolith united in oppressing the Palestinians and that the entire population of Palestine is one monolith united in actively fighting Israel.

    People need to be able to take a step back and recognize that their enemies are not the common folk, the innocent civilians. Most people just want to live their lives. Only a small minority is ever actually actively engaged in the fighting, or the political decisions to continue fighting.

    Israelis (at least those that support Netanyahu and the apartheid state) need to collectively realize that having an apartheid state is not “fighting back”; it’s just punishing 99% innocents. Likewise, Hamas needs to realize that mass murdering civilians is not “fighting back”; it’s just punishing 99% innocents. True fighting back requires actually finding the people responsible for harming you, not ascribing blame to rando civilians just because they happen to have been born on the same side of the border as your true enemies.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    When two children are arguing an adult steps in and separates them each into their own timeout corner.

    That's what needs to be done, but good fucking luck with that.

    cyclohexane ,

    Hamas does not really have a propaganda machine. Israel does.

    Deceptichum ,
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    The thing is you also have to admit the power imbalance at play here.

    Both sides suck, but one side has the power to stop making the situation worse and stop abusing millions as they colonise their land.

    This can never end or start to heal until the fucked up treatment of Palestinians stops. All they are doing is breeding tomorrow’s fighters.

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  • Deceptichum ,
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    Yes both sides are targeting innocent civilians, and this is not cool.

    But only one side is colonising a people’s land, imprisoning them in ghettos, and destroying their future.

    Hence why criticism of Israel should always be greater

    devz0r ,

    Hamas knows this. And they knew that Israel would respond with disproportionate force. They only care about destroying Israel and the Jews, per their charter, and they aren’t afraid to sacrifice as many Palestinian lives as it takes.

    hemmes ,
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    Maybe Russia got Iran to get Hamas to attack Israel knowing that Israel would go full scale, knowing that the USA is all in on Israeli support, thus reducing their aid to Ukraine?

    Fried_out_Kombi , (edited )
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    I think an apt comparison is Russia and Ukraine right now. I fully support Ukraine in this war, and part of that is not just because they’re the underdog who got unjustifiably invaded, but because they take care to avoid targetting innocent civilians. For example, when they strike Sevastopol, they strike military facilities, never residential areas. Whereas Russia intentionally terrorizes the Ukrainian people, kidnaps Ukrainian children, targets residential areas, and commits so frickin many war crimes.

    If the attack by Hamas were against legitimate military targets, I don’t think there would be many people out here questioning it. But they didn’t. They are a fundamentalist religious group that wishes to commit genocide, and they intentionally targeted and mass-murdered civilians. Beyond that, by attacking a music festival, they targeted people who were statistically more likely to be sympathetic to their cause. Clearly their goal is not simply self defense, but genocide.

    Also a good comparison is the PLO in West Bank, as they aren’t Hamas and had no hand in this attack. In fact, they and Hamas hate each other. And as far as I’m aware, PLO just wants the two-state solution and haven’t officially sanctioned terrorist attacks in ages. Unfortunately, Hamas has likely managed to discredit the PLO cause, despite them not having any guilt in this.

    pingveno ,

    And as far as I’m aware, PLO just wants the two-state solution and haven’t officially sanctioned terrorist attacks in ages.

    That’s… complicated. There is a fund that the PA pays the PLO to administer called the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund. It pays out stipends to the family of Palestinians who have been killed, imprisoned, or hurt while attacking Israel. This has been a point of contention for a long time, but it’s apparently very popular among Palestinians so politicians are loath to touch it.

    atomkarinca ,

    how are they similar atrocities?

    did hamas lock 2.5 million people in the worlds most dense open air prison?

    did hamas systematically crushed their buildings and not let concrete inside?

    did hamas shoot little kids just for throwing rocks?

    did hamas systematically murdered press, medics on the field?

    did hamas control israelis food intake?

    did hamas very deliberately snipe the knees of people peacefully protesting?

    did hamas cut electricity, water, food?

    did hamas bombed places that palestinian prisoners stayed?

    did hamas tell people to leave the city and bomb the only way out?

    what did hamas do? the only thing left to do when you do all of those things to a people.

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  • atomkarinca ,

    so tell me then, how would you behave if you were a palestinian? just accept death?

    McJonalds ,

    asymmetric warfare. i would figure it out. sorry about your palestinians but im different. /s

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  • atomkarinca ,

    you would have the ability? how?

    dingus ,
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    Look man, if your options are literally only “do nothing and accept your fate” or “kill a bunch of innocent people who never did anything to you and actually may have supported you” then maybe you should just give up and accept your fate, because we’re literally seeing how many more innocents are dying because of this. They didn’t put a dent in Israel’s defenses. They gave Israel more excuses to the international community to murder even more innocents. Great plan, Hamas. I’m glad it worked out so swimmingly and actually changed things instead of just continuing the same bullshit cycle. /s

    If you can point to me out how this is going to result in anything other than more death and destruction, feel free to clue me in. Because fuck nothing has changed. They didn’t take out the people responsible. They didn’t change the power balance, and now even more Palestinians are paying the price because Israel is a fucked up aggressor.

    Acting like a bad plan that resulted in more innocents deaths is some great blow against the establishment is dumb as fuck.

    Fried_out_Kombi ,
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    Exactly. It’s not a choice between “murder innocent civilians” and “do nothing”; it’s a choice between “murder innocent civilians” and “target legitimate targets such as the military apparatus that actually murders Palestinians regularly or the right-wing political apparatus that pursues a policy of military hyper-aggressiom, apartheid, and settler colonialism”.

    If they chose to do the latter, I doubt nearly as many people would take issue with them, they’d receive vastly more sympathy, and they could finally end the systemic murder and oppression of Palestinians faster.

    redballooon , (edited )

    Are you saying the only options are handing out collective punishment or accepting death?

    First, that’s doubtable. But if so, I’d indeed accept death. I’m not killing innocents.

    I’d rather die than become a living monster.

    atomkarinca ,

    no im not saying that, youre saying that. you are equating what israel has done for 75 years to mere reaction to that. you may not believe that hamas is not killing civilians on purpose and i cannot change that, but that does not change reality.

    we have seen just war crimes over war crimes from israel just for the past few days. this is on top of decades of apartheid.

    i could accept death for myself, too. but not for my daughter.

    redballooon ,

    I was equating killing innocents with killing innocents, nothing else.

    You are justifying mass punishment with …something about your daughter, and with that exposing exactly the attitude that keeps the region in a never ending cycle of death.

    atomkarinca ,

    “2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for their independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;” www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-184195/

    war crimes:

    • Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;
    • Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;
    • Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives;
    • The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;
    • Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;
    • Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including wilfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions; www.un.org/en/…/war-crimes.shtml

    these are the ones that were committed in just few days.

    redballooon ,

    I understand. you list here injustice that when experienced are beyond words.

    Now tell me: in what cases does is the punishment of innocents justified?

    atomkarinca ,

    your assumption is wrong.

    israel displaced millions of palestinians and replaced them with settlers. the blood is on israel government not hamas. they could easily not replace millions of people and we would not be here today.

    redballooon ,

    Now you named one factor that explains this mess, and no objection here. But I’m still missing the answer how killing innocents can be justified.

    It seems to me that you think that every person that lives in Israel is responsible for everything that the Israeli government did over the years.

    How is that any different from this weeks retaliation that this Israel government hands out over the massacres of citizens by hamas from last weekend?

    atomkarinca ,

    i have been saying the same thing from the beginning, but i think your perspective of the situation is holding you back from understanding what im saying.

    you can put innocent people anywhere in the world and they dont stop being innocent. but that does not change the fact that they are in someone elses home illegally.

    if they did not want to be in someone elses home then it is the fault of the government, if they did want to be in someome elses home then it is their fault.

    redballooon , (edited )

    Again, what’s the justification for killing innocents? Because they walk on land that another claims theirs? That sort of thinking always and everywhere only led to war and war crimes.

    As for the Israelis, for those who live there, it’s their home, for many going back three generations. In many cases those ancestors took it it legally under ottoman law. I find that 24-undisputed-hour-rule questionable myself, but your story doesn’t hold up legally in many cases, nor historical. Everyone’s ancestors lived someplace. That doesn’t automatically make that place theirs.

    Pointing to an old map and claiming the territory that another currently occupies never leads to peace.

    atomkarinca ,

    ok then look at the demographic between 1917~1948, you will see how the land was not bought but stolen, not from the ottomans but the british.

    when you illegally occupy a land long enough, it does not make the occupation go away. its still an occupied territory.

    redballooon ,

    Oh really? Then we’d have war everywhere. There is no place on earth that was not at some point taken by force by this or that group of people.

    redballooon , (edited )

    Ok, so before 1918, the Ottomans had that piece of land for about 400 years. I guess that makes a turkish claim is older, and therefore stronger, by your logic, am I right?

    Before that there was the Mamluks for 200 years, but that doesn’t seem an ethnicity that’s notable today, so let’s forget that.

    Before that, the cruzaders had that land for 200 years, I suppose that means Europe also has an older claim.

    Before that, Arabs for 400 years, so I see we’re back to their claim.

    But hold on, before that, it was Roman territory for a whopping 700 years. That’s notable. Italia has a really good claim, I’d say.

    But even before, there were the Jews there, and for close to a thousand years. So, following your logic the state Israel has all right to be there.

    Before that there also lived people, of course, but it’s hard to pinpoint those to ethnicity. Egypt was there shortly. That’s an older claim even, but not very long.

    Hmm. Are now all those people justified in killing innocents on some grounds that hasn’t been “theirs” for generations?

    atomkarinca ,

    no, the ottomans were the occupiers, so thats just not my logic.

    and the same goes for the rest.

    this discussion turned into a loop, so i guess good day to you.

    redballooon ,

    Ok, I guess then there is no logic to understand. I’ll stop trying. Have a good day.

    LoveSausage ,
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    Ok then let’s send better weapons to Hamas. I am sure they will be happy to precise target and hit all military installations. It’s kind of sad to see privileged people pointing out how someone else is supposed to fight the boot on their throat.

    TragicNotCute ,
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    Yup. The meme and simple “everyone is bad” explanation doesn’t touch on the fact that this is an asymmetrical war.

    cyclohexane ,

    Because they aren’t.

    Israel is genociding Palestinians, and Hamas is resisting them.

    If innocents are caught in the crossfire of Hamas resisting, then Israel is to blame, not Hamas. Israel targets civilians, Hamas was targeting the military.

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  • cyclohexane ,

    You mean the dance rave held at the gates of a concentration camp and active war zone? The one with many Israeli soldiers positioned and decided to skirmish the Palestinian resistance, and put the ravers in crossfire?

    Arab Israeli population went from 1.5M to 2M since 2006

    That’s because of their high birth rate. 45% of Palestinians are under the age of 15. The genocide numbers are very well documented, but I admire your bravery with genocide denial despite mountains of evidence.

    arymandias ,

    But one side lives in suburbs and the other in an open-air prison, without medical supplies, under permanent drone surveillance, oh and every 5 years all the buildings get flattened.

    SparkyLight ,

    slight difference here, while Hama’s goal is singular, to kill as many civilians as possible, israels goal is to abolish the hostile militia on it’s border, the civilians killed are a casualty of war, and not the target, once said militia uses civilians as human shields and commits all of these atrocities, you just can’t submit to their shields…

    Son_of_dad , in Try not to use slave labor challenge (Impossible!)

    Literally impossible to avoid Nestle. Even going to a restaurant or getting take out, benefitted Nestle in some way. Really it’s the fault of governments for allowing a corporation to get that big

    psud ,

    Eating zerocarb (aka carnivore) works, especially if you only drink tap water; Add coffee and you have to be a little careful

    Also be careful on soaps and hair care

    Gormadt ,
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    Zero carb has its own host of issues, not just from the nutrition side of things, but also a host of ethical concerns

    psud ,
    1. Oh really? Funny I haven’t seen any nutritional deficiencies in my year on that way of eating, and haven’t died of scurvy even once. In fact I’m in the best health I ever have had since I was a youth
    2. Ethics? Eating animals raised on grass (in places which don’t support other agriculture) is worse than clear felling forests to support monoculture cereals?

    My food supports the land it grows on, which hosts a myriad other species

    Black616Angel ,

    Wow, you only eat meat from animals which you yourself raised, slaughtered and prepared?

    Even if that were the case (which it isn’t), not everyone can do that.
    Do you know, why that is?

    Because eating animals is wasteful as fuck.

    Btw. What do you think you “animals raised on grass” (which they aren’t) are fed with? Maybe soy from monocultures?

    psud ,

    I live in Australia near our mountain pastures. The meat supply is a mix of local grass fed and finished beef and lamb, and grain finished beef from up north

    The grass finished meat has a healthier fat balance and tastes better

    I always ask butchers where my meat was raised and how it was finished as that affects the ethics and flavour. I agree with you that meat raised on grain is wasteful.

    Where’s the waste in what I buy? They drink from mountain streams, they eat grass. Most of their meat goes to human food, most of the rest goes to pet food, the skin becomes leather

    When I cook more meat than I can eat, the extra goes in the fridge and I eat it for the next meal

    On the relevant subreddit (which hasn’t moved to Lemmy) I have heard it’s easy to get grass finished beef in the US too

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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    I live in a ranching state (South Dakota) where beef is processed locally, and it’s nearly impossible to get grass-fed meat. Sure, some of it is labeled “grass-fed” with a drastically higher price point (unsustainable for most people), but the whole industry is so corrupt and ethically bankrupt that it’s a meaningless label, just like almost anything else you buy here.

    tilcica ,

    no OP but that REALLY depends on where you live. rn i know about 4-5 farmers that raise cattle ONLY on free range pastures and dont subsidue their feed with anything else and can buy directly from them without any middle men

    and i fucking hate the “so what if you can, others cant” argument in threads like these. OP was stating that they do this and its better for them. never did they say its better for everyone to do this

    captainlezbian ,

    Also, serious ethical questions even for “ethical” slaughter.

    DmMacniel ,

    It’s hard but not impossible. When you go grocery shopping always look at the back of the product to see if it has the taint.

    Problem is indeed the restaurant as you can’t be sure if they didn’t you nestle products.

    Kushan ,
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    I can’t help but notice you have disagreed with the comment above you, then gone on to explain that the exception to your disagreement is the exact scenario they described.

    DmMacniel ,

    Except no? Its not “literally impossible” to avoid nestle. You simply have to shop your groceries more mindful.

    But okay, if its utterly impossible to look on the back of the package and or do a quick internet search to see if that label belongs to nestle, yeah its impossible.

    fmstrat ,

    Joining in because why not. The comment OP never mentioned groceries. They mentioned how it’s impossible to avoid Nestle when eating out/getting take out, which you agreed with.

    Obi ,
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    The important thing is, they disagree, can’t we just leave it at that and be angry in peace?

    Ookami38 ,

    Nah, man. Getting shitty at people on the Internet is one of life’s greatest joys.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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    This whole thread is weird. I think it’s hilarious how people are arguing with you, saying it’s impossible and then linking sites that list every brand owned by Nestlé. You’d think it would occur to them that if one is able to consult a list, that makes it possible to avoid Nestlé products, since one can merely consult the list.

    I think there are some synapses not firing here 😅

    DmMacniel ,

    Well thats a bit harsh, don’t you think :)

    Also not only are there those lists, but we all have an internet enabled smartphone nearly always with us right? So check the label, see its hierarchy and decide then.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
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    Yeah true, I was probably harsh. It’s more like people taking a position and then protecting it at all costs, even when it unravels lol

    Ookami38 ,

    Pot, meet kettle!

    Ookami38 ,

    We’re not arguing that there are lists. We’re arguing that it’s not always displayed on packaging. Subsidiary companies of nestle may not display the logo or name anywhere, or do so in such small lettering that it’s very hard to overlook. When the other commenter is saying all it takes is “a bit of discipline” no, that’s simply not the case. It takes discipline AND either an external resource, or an encyclopedic knowledge of every company nestle owns. If you want to sling insults at people at least understand what they’re saying.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    So then you admit that it’s definitely possible, and not impossible, to avoid Nestle products

    Ookami38 ,

    If you want to throw all nuance out of the equation, sure. There are a ton of ways to completely avoid nestle.

    If you want to actually engage with what I said, though, it’s a lot harder than your attitude implies.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    You’re talking to someone with celiac disease and severe lactose intolerance. Sure, it’s “impossible to avoid Nestle,” in the same way that it’s “impossible to avoid gluten and dairy.”

    Aka, it’s possible. I rely on reading labels, researching brands, and researching a restaurant before ever setting foot inside. If I can do this, then someone who wants to avoid Nestle can too. It’s very possible.

    Ookami38 ,

    Celiac and lactose intolerance are completely different from avoiding a brand. Both of those are specific compounds, we have laws stating we must list ingredients included in items, and “lactose free” and “gluten free” have been turned into marketing terms,very proudly displayed on a lot of packaging. It’s also pretty simple to understand both lactose and gluten, where they come from, and narrow it down to a single ingredient, maybe with a few alternative names, that will cause issues.

    You also have a direct response to the things that trigger you. If you make the mistake once you probably figure out what item it is, and don’t make the same purchase. That feedback doesn’t exist on a brand level. This (for example) peanut butter tastes the same as the other, has the same effects on my body. You have to do ACTIVE research on the brand to find out that they’re owned by nestle. These are not equivalent in the slightest.

    I would bet money that if I looked through your pantry and fridge right now you have something you didn’t realize was nestle. They actively use deception in the form of different brands that don’t display the nestle logo in order to hide the fact that it’s a nestle item. Again, you’re completely disregarding the arguments people are putting forth and actively calling them less than intelligent.

    stonedemoman , (edited )

    You’d think it would occur to them that if one is able to consult a list, that makes it possible to avoid Nestlé products

    I think you’re forgetting something. This entire chain started with an example to support the theory of it being impossible. The one about eating out where you don’t know the ingredients being served to you or what brand they’re from. You chose to ad hom without even addressing it. 🤷

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    Oh sorry I didn’t realize we are legally mandated to eat out at places that use Nestle products, my bad.

    The statement that it’s impossible is entirely wrong.

    stonedemoman , (edited )

    Was that supposed to be a coherent response? Everyone eats out. I think you would have to scour a nation pretty thoroughly to find even a single person that hasn’t at least had a McDonald’s shake or something. Whether something is mandated or not was not the conversation. The conversation was whether or not it’s possible to actively avoid completely, and restaurants hardly ever list their recipe as it is proprietary.

    Are you legally mandated to go shop at the grocery store? No? Then why would you posit that response? You’re going to need more to support your claim than what you’ve said here before you can justify dismissing people.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    hasn’t at least had a McDonald’s shake or something

    What they’ve done in the past is irrelevant. If they choose to forgo Nestle products from this day forward, then it is possible.

    Are you legally mandated to go shop at the grocery store? No?

    I never argued that one was legally mandated to shop at a grocery store. Whether one shops at a grocery store or not, one can consult a list and therefore not buy Nestle products. This is quite simple.

    Then why would you posit that response?

    Just as an example of how it is possible not to buy certain products, regardless of how ubiquitous they are.

    stonedemoman ,

    Past, present, or future- it doesn’t matter. People need to eat. Suggesting that people just don’t go to restaurants is as helpful as suggesting people just don’t go to grocery stores. That’s why this fact:

    restaurants hardly ever list their recipe as it is proprietary.

    is doing a great job of convincing me that it is actually impossible, and if I’m honest you’ve said nothing to convince me otherwise. I think that’s the disconnect.

    I’m not going to stop going to restaurants. Don’t get me wrong, I hate Nestle as much as the next lemming, but restaurants are not something I’m ever going to be able to cut out of my life completely. And I’m willing to bet my life on this being true for a lot of people.

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    If the idea of consulting a list and calling ahead to a restaurant is too hefty of a concept for you to hold onto, then yes I can see why there’s going to be a disconnect. Let’s just go our separate ways, and I feel confident that eventually you’ll get there.

    stonedemoman , (edited )

    Alrighty there bud. You have yourself a terrific day. Try not to forget to breathe. 😁

    Just so we’re clear BTW:

    The law does not require retail or food service companies that make food to order to give ingredient lists or allergy warnings to customers. That means any restaurant, cafe or food cart that makes food to order does not need to give you the ingredients list

    Source: Any.

    Ookami38 ,

    Subsidiary companies, basically companies that are owned by another, to my knowledge are not required to display that they’re owned by another company. Or if they do, it’s in EXTREMELY fine lettering.

    A lot of the time, you have to have an encyclopedic knowledge of what brands are nestle brands, or yes, it’s actually impossibly to make a decision.

    Glifted ,

    It’s not always that obvious. Nestle owns many companies and many of those products say nothing about Nestle on them.

    DmMacniel ,

    Sure they do own many companies. I just dont think its impossible, as I steer clear of anything nestle. Sometimes I grab something new and sounds interesting like the Vegan products by Gourmet Garden and just putting it quickly back as I saw nestles logo printed on the back.

    It takes a bit of discipline.

    Glifted ,

    I think you’re missing the point I was making. There’s a lot of Nestlé products that don’t have their logo anywhere on the packaging because it’s instead made by a company Nestlé owns

    DmMacniel ,

    can you give an example?

    Because all those products en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nestlé_brands are made by “companies” that on first look are not “owned” by nestle even though I always saw their huge logo somewhere on its packaging.

    JokeDeity ,

    Lol, no, you don’t understand. Companies (literally millions of them) own many other companies that they never put any logo on or anything. For an outside of Nestle example, check out this list of companies owned by Kroger that you will never find anything labeled by Kroger inside of:

    www.kroger.com/i/kroger-family-of-companies

    Also this list may be VERY incomplete because it’s hosted by Kroger and they have no obligation to give the entire truth here.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    Food 4 Less, Ralph’s, and Jay C Foods all have Kroger brand foods on their shelves. Not sure about the rest as I haven’t shopped at the rest of those stores. Also they are attempting to acquire Albertson’s.

    DmMacniel ,

    I’ve never seen Kroger nor any of that companies. Do they sell in Germany?

    And if the umbrella company is proud of thier products they bought, of course they put their label on it or state it somewhere. Where else would be the point of it? Brand recognition and all.

    Coolcoder360 ,

    Kroger is a grocery store chain in the US, I suspect they don’t operate in Germany but I might be wrong.

    They basically are or own many different grocery store chains across most of the US.

    JokeDeity ,

    “It takes a bit of discipline.”

    Also, you should work on your tone, speaking like you’re holier than thou is already cringe, but when you’re wrong it just makes you look like a big idiot.

    DmMacniel ,

    Yes it does take a bit of discipline. And no, I dont think I’m holier than thou.

    Ookami38 ,

    I don’t think they were saying it ONLY takes a bit of discipline. To me, the charitable interpretation is, they’re saying that they see something new they want, and see the nestle logo, and the act of denying the want takes discipline.

    You’re both right, of course. It DOES take discipline to always put back the nestle-labeled goods, and there are MANY nestle-subsidiary-owned items that don’t have a nestle logo in sight

    Edit: ok, a bit lower hea def being holier than thou a bit lol

    AngryCommieKender ,

    charlesstover.github.io/peoplecott/

    That website helps with the products that aren’t obviously marked Nestlé.

    DmMacniel ,

    Thats a searchable list of all products/brands by Nestle? Thats quite helpful!

    AeroLemming ,

    The issue with boycotting a huge company like Nestlé is that you put in a ton of time and effort while denying yourself lots of useful products and on Nestlé’s end, they lose out on less profit than they bring in in a single minute.

    They made $9.7 billion Net income in 2022. That’s over $18,000 EVERY MINUTE. You can’t make a difference and they don’t care. The only ways to enact change are either through the legislative/regulatory route or through the extralegal route.

    DmMacniel ,

    Sure, its pissing against the wind. And I lose out on kitkat and lion (damn i liked that bar) or I need to buy “clones” but I can’t wholeheartedly buy their shit. It may not be much, but atleast i can live with myself.

    Twelve20two ,

    The amount of sugar and palm kernel oil in Nestle chocolate makes me not even enjoy their products if I get them for free. They barely taste like cocoa

    TheRealKuni ,

    You could order KitKat from the US. Hershey makes it here.

    I wouldn’t recommend it though, Nestle KitKat is much better. It’s a shame Nestle is so evil or else I’d be driving over to Canada to stock up every few weeks.

    DakRalter ,
    @DakRalter@thelemmy.club avatar

    Is it? I’ve not knowingly consumed anything from Nestlé in 20 years.

    Edit: I have a bland palate and having a dairy allergy helps. I’m also incredibly stubborn!

    figaro ,

    That’s awesome! I think it’s important to note, however, that the burden of change here is not on the individual. The average person is not an activist, and shouldn’t be expected to be. Nestle knows that, too.

    Change on this scale can only happen through government regulation.

    4lan ,

    That’s an interesting justification for contributing to Nestle. There’s no more personal responsibility left in this country I swear

    Do you also wear blood diamonds and eat veal?

    stringere ,

    Do you also wear blood diamonds and eat veal?

    Why, do you expect me to wear blood rubies while eating veal, like some prole?

    figaro ,

    No.

    Doing your own part as much as you are aware or capable is good, but if I were to try to avoid anything unethically sourced, I simply would not be able to participate in the modern world.

    Do you use electricity? Do you have a cell phone? Have you ever used anything battery operated, like a flashlight? Have you ever eaten a hamburger? Have you worn a shirt?

    Going around shaming people for things that are simply inevitably contributing to some unethical corporation is useless. We just need to agree that there is a problem, and do our best to make change.

    I’m all for making personal commitments on topics you feel passionate about. But the fact is, that won’t make a difference on the grand scale. Only through government action is that possible.

    4lan ,

    Actually you can make a difference. I guarantee there are at least a couple younger family members that look up to you.

    Any children you might have will learn from your example.

    It really seems like you were trying to justify contributing to a truly evil industry by saying that there are plenty of other evil industries…

    “Well nothing is ethical so I don’t have to be!”

    Son_of_dad ,

    Oh you’ve consumed Nestle, you just don’t know it. They have over 200, brands and millions of individual products. Not to mention their non food companies. Again, it’s an issue that governments should have dealt with long ago, and never should have let them get that big

    Hubi , in The race for "Worst Dumpster Fire" is heating up. Everyone place your bets!

    I feel like it’s unfair to include TikTok as it had a clear headstart by being a dumpster fire since the very start.

    Bananigans ,

    Musical.ly certainly was a thing.

    SeekPie ,

    It has been an dumpster fire before it was even made.

    Sheeple ,
    @Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

    And Vine!

    Rai ,

    Hey, the rebrand was successful!

    Nobody associates it with paedos now and their “take existing videos and put our horrid moving shitty contrasted watermark on it” starting strat worked a dream

    photonic_sorcerer , in Great deal ngl
    @photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I am genuinely confused about how Hexbearians thought being dicks on the internet was going to change any hearts and/or minds

    Zetta ,

    ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I sort of look at them as amusement. It’s not like what they want will happen In our lifetimes (or ever probably). I don’t necessarily get why everyone hates them, just try looking at them as funny content lol

    Gormadt ,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    You must not have seen the amount of genocide denial they do, or the amount of simping for dictators.

    Dubious_Fart ,

    I genuinely don’t understand why the admins are dragging ass and not just defederating from them already. They provide nothing of value, just spam and harassment.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Because you’re on a tankie instance. Go to sopuli.xyz; the admin banned all extremists left and right so it’s smooth sailing.

    Zetta ,

    What does tankie mean?

    Dubious_Fart , (edited )

    wanna-be-edgy teenager who unironically wears Che Guevara t-shirts, mostly.

    Also the kind that say anything western is the devil, and anything Russian and/or Chinese is the great saviour/perfection/whatever other bullshit.

    Zetta ,

    So would the people from hexbear be considered tankies?

    Dubious_Fart ,

    Apparently so.

    NoiseColor ,

    Is there a way to see who has defederated?

    Dubious_Fart ,

    Welp, tried to delete my account and fuck off from this place due to that knowledge, but apparently account deletion doesnt work. so I’m just fuckin off.

    Thanks for the info, made the decision easier.

    Gormadt ,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Because if memory serves both Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad share some admins with each other

    And with Lemmygrad and Hexbear loving each other: federation is going to stay a thing over here

    One of the things I love about the instance I’m on is that we’re defederated from Hexbear, it’s pretty nice NGL

    Dubious_Fart ,

    Well that certainly explains a lot.

    DragonTypeWyvern , (edited )

    What’s weird is that I don’t remember the Chapo guys doing any of that, they seem pretty solidly democratic socialist.

    I guess that’s what happens when you let your community mods be Putin bots or whatever dumbfuckery went on.

    Gormadt ,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    It’s also what happens when you lock yourself in an echo chamber for long enough, you views will drift.

    But the Chapo crowd always had tendencies towards brigading and whatnot which is why Reddit eventually deleted their sub.

    Plus the Chapo crowd were firmly “Bernie or Bust,” which was a pretty shit view at the time.

    NoiseColor ,

    They are the best example what happens when people are locked in their echo chamber. They are radicalizing themselves to the point of absurdity. The statements they make are so illogical its hard to even have a discussion about it, because they literally deny truisms.

    Zetta ,

    Ahh I guess that’s a good reason to hate them

    mounderfod ,
    @mounderfod@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    They’re simply trolls

    i_stole_ur_taco ,

    The Shittier 4chan™️

    ThrowawayPermanente ,

    Because it worked on them. At some point someone was a smug, obnoxious cunt to them online and they were like “Wow, thanks, I guess I’m a communist now!”

    Franzia ,

    Me but with Vaush and he supports a more democratic and less genocidal version of communism.

    Draedron ,

    They arent just dicks. They are maniacs who are in favour of the genocides commited against ukranians and uyghurs.

    Th3D3k0y , in Avocados on the house

    Mistakes happen when untrained people are employed to do work.

    Maeve ,

    For free.

    JusticeForPorygon ,
    @JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Me accidentally buying a PS5 for $8 by weighing it as onions

    The_Eminent_Bon ,

    Expensive onions

    Quexotic ,

    People used specially crafted coupons to get free Xboxes back when Xbox 360 was released.

    It worked really well for a few weeks, based on the news stories at the time. There are now checks to prevent this from happening.

    RaivoKulli ,

    Idk I’ve always just considered a way to go about my business quicker and with less need for human contact. It’s a plus for me

    Nath ,
    @Nath@aussie.zone avatar

    There was a time where getting the products off the shelves was the job of a clerk at the desk. You’d walk into the store, give the clerk your list and they’d get all the things and put them into a bag for you.

    Policies and practices evolve.

    teft , in He's gone now. He said we should find another format to replace this one.
    NateNate60 ,
    aaaa ,

    We should really ditch the entire meme, there’s a hundred other ways to say the same thing without keeping Crowder’s “Change my mind” alive.

    Besides, Calvin’s lemonade stand is really a different sort of a message anyhow.

    button_masher , in Identify yourselves.

    That’s for the committed spies. Or chess players.

    filgas08 ,
    @filgas08@lemmy.world avatar

    Holy hell

    callyral , in They're not worth it!
    @callyral@kbin.social avatar

    What's weirder is that the bottom two are 6 feef apart

    ImplyingImplications ,

    Americans will use anything but metric

    GrammatonCleric ,
    @GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    I wouldn’t touch the metric system with a 10-foof pole.

    BrownianMotion ,
    @BrownianMotion@lemmy.world avatar

    The correct answer is 2.58 metres.

    Rukmer ,

    That made me laugh so hard I woke up my cats.

    WtfEvenIsExistence ,

    What’s metric? Is that some kind of myth the Europeans invented? No thanks, Monarchists, I love my feets and freedoms.

    ponfriend ,

    Metric is a product of the French Revolution, as well as decimal currency like cents. Some decimalization from the French Revolution didn’t catch on widely, like gradians for measuring angles or decimal minutes, hours, and weeks. The imperial units were standardized by various monarchies (hence the name).

    rustydomino ,
    @rustydomino@lemmy.world avatar

    Or analytical geometry, for that matter.

    eestileib ,

    We use decimal inches in machine shops, that’s a metric system.

    SI though, that’s what gets people mad.

    datelmd5sum ,

    Except for some reason you didn’t come up with your own units for:

    • electric potential difference
    • electric charge
    • electric current
    • resistance
    • capacitance
    • inductance
    • magnetic flux
    • amount of substance
    • radioactivity
    Throwdownyourgrandma ,

    Is adapting a standard instead of making your own something negative?

    datelmd5sum ,

    It’s not compatible with their other units. E.g. 1 tesla = 1 Ns/Cm, but imperial uses poundfeet instead of newtons and feet instead of meters. Dimensional analysis with incompatible units is folly.

    assa123 ,

    This actually makes the problem solvable

    edit: in 2-D. Even without the typo it was solvable in 3-D.

    makeasnek OP , in Anybody else experience this?
    @makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

    Project 2025 wants to:

    • Outlaw pornography
    • Outlaw abortion
    • Outlaw homosexuality
    • Eliminate all major checks on presidential power. Say goodbye to the system of checks and balances
    • Replace many federal workers with those who are loyal only to the president

    www.defeatproject2025.org breaks it down by topic, also highly suggest John Oliver’s segment on it

    pearsaltchocolatebar ,

    Well, they’ve already made progress on point 4

    AOCapitulator ,
    @AOCapitulator@hexbear.net avatar

    Its a good thing Biden is president, we should vote for him again so he can continue to not stop these things from happening

    TrickDacy ,

    And two

    Fades ,

    And one! Texas and shit taking first steps by requiring state id verification.

    That’s how they do things, just enough to get the foot in the door, move the goalposts and repeat

    ZWQbpkzl ,

    Replace many federal workers with those who are loyal only to the president

    This is the key point that actually makes all this possible. From the wiki

    It proposes reclassifying tens of thousands of merit-based federal civil service workers as political appointees in order to replace them with loyal conservatives to further the objectives of the next Republican president.

    “Tens of thousands”. There is absolutely not enough young republicans in the nation to replace that many federal workers. The outcome if they fired them anyways would be orders of magnitude worse than the De-Ba’athification of Iraq. Its declaring class war on Northern Virginia and its a fight the GOP would lose.

    borari ,

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  • ZWQbpkzl ,

    I’m from there too. I could feel myself slowly becoming that type of libertarian shit head growing up until I moved away. Libertarianism is the only way you can rationalize all the bullshit you see around you and still remain in that environment.

    It takes a severe level of willful ignorance to work for the MIC. They’re so close to the contradictions at play that whenever you try to interrogate them on those contradictions they just short circuit in a way. Often they’ll repeat some sort of aphorism.

    I_Clean_Here ,

    Dictatorship ftw

    onlooker , in Figuring things out
    @onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Has anyone seen Behind the Curve? Most of these flat earth people seem to possess some level of critical thinking, just… not enough. That, or their pride or obstinacy get in the way. At the end of the documentary, a team of flat-earthers perform an actual, well thought out experiment. It’s… well, just watch.

    Best part? Immediately after this, they discard the results of the experiment saying the premise was faulty. Somehow.

    DmMacniel ,

    Thanks Bob

    onlooker ,
    @onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

    No worries, Mac.

    DmMacniel ,

    Oh my bad, I thought it was the laser gyroscope experiment, performed by the late Bob Knodel.

    Zozano ,
    @Zozano@lemy.lol avatar

    The problem doesn’t stem from their critical thinking skills, but rather, a combination of indoctrination and religious beliefs which cause a series of presuppositions to supersede the conclusions the rest of us have taken as presuppositions.

    In some sense I admire their dedication to challenge established facts about reality, that should be done in general.

    To clarify the statement about indoctrination and religion: many people are not aware that flat earthers are religious wackjobs. Their thought process is as follows:

    “If the universe contains trillions of celestial bodies and they’re all spherical, then we are inconsequential. It must be the case that we are special, and earth is not a sphere, but is flat.”

    Some flat earthers will claim space doesn’t exist, even though their bible tells them God created other planets.

    tryptaminev ,

    Well, Columbus, Galilei, Kepler & co. challenged what was considered “established fact” about the shape and place of the earth in their times.

    It is not wrong to challenge what is considered “established facts”. Problem is when you discard results that are going against your preoposition. I wouldn’t consider flat earthers to be particular religious as a crowd though. At least in my country they mostl come from the esoteric scene, where you get a mixed bowl of esoteric nonsene, conspiracy theories, and fascist ideology.

    Enkrod ,
    @Enkrod@feddit.de avatar

    Meh, our esoterics are basically religious anarchists or spiritual hippies. They still fall into all the trapping of religion without the “organized” part of “organized religion”.

    FilterItOut ,

    One thing to point out is that Columbus wasn’t challenging established thinking about the earth’s shape, but rather its size. The educated populace at the time was on the ball with the earth being a sphere.

    bigpEE ,

    My recollection is that Columbus was also wrong about its size. He thought the distance from Europe to Asia via the Atlantic was much smaller than it really is, but got lucky and found the Americas on the way

    limelight79 ,

    And the critics of Columbus WERE RIGHT! He was vastly underestimating the size of the earth. If North America hadn’t existed and it had just been one big ocean, he and the expedition would have perished in the middle of nowhere. Of course, the size had been calculated before his expedition (the actual values turned out be extremely close to what had been calculated), so he should have known better. There’s a reason he had trouble getting funding for his expedition…

    I’m still somewhat frustrated that our history classes taught (maybe still do, I’ve been out of high school a long time) that all the naysayers thought the earth was flat.

    TokenBoomer ,

    Kind of the same as talking to Liberals. /s

    BlueMagma ,

    Try being in their shoes: you set up an experiment to prove the earth is not flat and is indeed round, you run the experiment and at the end you realise your experiment fail and would prove the earth is flat. Would you changwe your point of view ? I know I wouldn’t, I would immediately assume I am an idiot and messed up the experiment, because I am so much convinced it is round, it would be much more realistic to assume I messed up.

    Baphomet_The_Blasphemer ,

    This. This is exactly it. Commonly referred to as cognitive dissonance where when presented with evidence differing from that of one’s beliefs, they will discard said evidence as faulty and will double down going deeper into their wrongfully held beliefs. Cognitive dissonance can be overcome but it is very difficult to do so, especially if you aren’t willing to entertain the idea that your beliefs might be wrong.

    thesporkeffect ,

    If I do it 10 times and each time the result is ‘flat’, and 99.99% of scientists in the field say it’s flat, at that point I would do some self evaluation to see why I was so hell bent on being wrong

    triplenadir ,

    you think there are 0.01% of astronomers, geologists, or any scientists, who think the earth is flat? 😂

    Traister101 ,

    There’s a couple grifters who pretend (or are stupid enough) to think so yes. It’s like the “doctors” the anti vax guys point at

    triplenadir ,

    yeah but… 0.01%? Maybe I’m delusionally optimistic but I can’t believe 1 in a 1000 people believes the earth is flat, let alone 1 in 1000 scientists

    Dontfearthereaper123 ,

    Isnt it 1 in 10 thousand? 1% is 1 out of 100, 0.1% is 1 out of 1000, so 0.01% is out of 10 thousand

    lightnsfw ,

    If I’m grifting people into giving me money to prove it’s flat I’ll keep doubling down until that teat runs dry.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I think it may have the best last line of any documentary. I won’t spoil it.

    arymandias , in Trust me bro it's 100% true

    To everyone getting offended, clearly nobody is asking for pictures of dead baby’s.

    Of course war and propaganda go hand in hand, it would just be nice if western media (or the president of the United States for that matter) don’t just blindly copy Israeli propaganda without checking sources.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    I am asking for them.

    Believe nothing without evidence.

    Madison420 ,

    As rowdy as that sounds you are completely correct, it is newsworthy and every war with modern media has had exactly the same because people need to know.

    xor ,

    pics or it didn’t happen

    yowhat ,

    The Israeli Prime Minister’s Twitter account has posted them.

    Tar_alcaran ,

    Twitter must be really on the ball this time then, because I can’t seem to find any evidence at all.

    yowhat ,

    See my other comment in this thread.

    zazaserty ,
    @zazaserty@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Learn to use x or whatever it’s called ig

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Then it should be very simple for you to provide a link to it, I would think that our secretary of state would have seen it and even he is saying he hasn't seen any pictures of beheaded baby so far and with the heart on that our country has for killing brown people and any sort of support for it I think we'd be right on top of it

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    So link?

    yowhat ,

    See my other comment in this thread.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    I'm not going to give you an out. You want to claim this shit than post it otherwise you just seem like an Israeli lickspittle

    yowhat ,

    I am not going to post a direct link to such horrible images. They are findable by going to IsraeliPM on Twitter/X, pressing media and unblurring pictures that are about 24 hours old by this post’s time of posting. If you want you can debate the authenticity of the images and so on, but that is where you can find the images in question. I am not sure why people started attacking me in this thread, another user simply asked where they could be found and I replied.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Lickspittle throwing lies

    yowhat ,

    Why call me names when you can easily verify the steps I posted?

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Because I believe you are a liar and i am not going to Twitter and sorting through their system.

    If you are telling the truth and you know where the images are out should be really easy to link to them instead of playing the internet game where you pretend that something is real knowing that 99% of people are going to take it at face value and not click into it.

    To to make this very clear I think you are a liar, I think you are trying to deny genocide that is happening, or at least justify it, and I think you are completely implicit in the genocide by supporting lies.

    yowhat ,

    You are making ridiculous claims based on nothing which is making you looked unhinged. I have in no way excused Israeli actions or policies. Your inability to follow instructions or to use a platform that millions succesfully use every day is not my problem. You asked for proof and was given instructions in procuring it, but are now unwilling in looking at it and attacking those who tried to help you, undermining your original point about seeking the truth.

    NoIWontPickaName ,
    yowhat ,

    I have no idea, you asked about the images and I told you where they were. I have no stake in the conflict and I am not making any statements regarding the authenticity of anything, no matter what your paranoid mind seems to think.

    clara ,

    i’m not going to twitter and sorting through their system

    you are lazy. so, i did the sorting for you.

    there was nothing on @israeliPM but there was some pictures from 22hrs ago on @israel itself. not the 40 beheaded babies as claimed by the person you’re arguing with, but… yeah… :( there’s direct evidence of dead babies there.

    since my instance is getting defederated by everyone in about a week or two anyway (i think our instance admin died or something), i don’t lose anything by posting a link

    nitter.net/Israel/media

    anyone who clicks this, you need to go in on an empty stomach. NSFL

    zazaserty ,
    @zazaserty@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    It’s true tho…

    Stoneykins ,

    I scrolled and scrolled where you recommended, couldn’t find proof, of any kind. I’m willing to assume I was just looking in the wrong place, but only if you actually link what you are talking about.

    Just put a big warning around the link so people don’t click on it unintentionally, there is no reason to be squeamish about the literal link itself.

    I think the claim is bs and unless you can post a link your claim of evidence is bs too

    tocopherol ,
    @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    The prime minister posted that, even though they officially state they cannot confirm their original claim? (CNN)

    Grumpy ,

    I checked. I saw dead babies (hard to say 2 of them are actually babies as they’re too charred). But nothing beheaded.

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