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God_Is_Love , in Who cares about gender?! The economy has crashed!!

I’m totally hearing this in the voices of Stan and Cartman from South Park

mhague , in So much for Blockchain's real life use cases

I wonder how many sites will bother checking for Spanish pornpasses. Seems they’re just playing people and waiting for the inevitable, “Turns out the Internet isn’t respecting our kids, we need to ratchet up the control. We tried to give you a good deal though, right?”

LavenderDay3544 ,

Most will just block themselves there like pornhub does in the states that require checking IDs in the US.

Socsa ,

That’s the insidious part of all this - the government will set up captive portals which require you to verify yourself to get outside the federal network. It will start with porn, then it will be VPNs, and so on. This is just a very convenient excuse to establish the infrastructure and process framework which will eventually be used to kill the open internet by a million cuts.

Evotech ,

They will not have to

UnderpantsWeevil , in This is unironically fine
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no! The “This is Fine” Dogs have gone woke!

adespoton ,

It’s the sleeping dogs that lie….

Mothra , in This is unironically fine
@Mothra@mander.xyz avatar

Is this totally AI generated or do we have an author for it?

Axiochus ,

I see no indicators that this was AI. Lots of details, no inconsistency.

adespoton ,

How many fingers do the dogs have?

iso , in So much for Blockchain's real life use cases
@iso@lemy.lol avatar

Do they need blockchain for it though?

MotoAsh ,

No. This won’t work any better, either. Keeping anonymous porn off the internet is like trying to prevent kids from fooling around with sex by not telling them about sex.

Unless you’re removing their genitals, they’re GOING to figure it out. The situation only gets worse with more ignorance and more control.

far_university1990 ,

Children almost infinite free time, creative mind and bored. They will find what they want to find.

Then tell them to not do X, they gonna put ALL their energy to do X. Cannot stop them, only work with them.

qaz ,

Just tell them not to do Y then, problem solved.

Socsa ,

Which is exactly why this is a stupid idea.

BCsven ,

True dat. I had a reasonable family safe network, and certain things blocked. My daughter was watching some regular movies on a shady website. Me: how did you access that, and doesn’t that need an IP in the US? Her yep, I wanted to catch up on episodes so I setup a proxy server. Me: blink blink OK. I was too glad she learned proxy server setup on her own, to suggest she not access that site.

MeetInPotatoes , in 5:57 am and dreading the possible inevitabilities

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I’m sure it’s past your time now, but if we raise awareness, perhaps we can save one person together…

makeasnek , (edited ) in So much for Blockchain's real life use cases
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

You can downvote this because you’re mad that blockchain exists, for those who don’t know the actual real life use case: Bitcoin has been around for 15 years, it is a blockchain. It has a real life use case.

I can send money, with my android phone, from my couch, in my underwear, to anybody else on planet earth who also has a phone and a halfway reliable internet connection. The transaction is not only sent, but actually settles, in under a second with Bitcoin lightning. And I pay pennies in fees. No going to the bank, no bank holidays, no paying wire fees or making sure their bank can talk to my bank. It’s just simple and instant and it works. It doesn’t matter if they are a dissident or if their country doesn’t allow women to own bank accounts, the transaction goes through anyways. In many countries, their app can also instantly convert that BTC into the currency of their choice and deposit it to their bank account. That’s assuming they have access to stable banking infrastructure, which billions of people do not.

Bitcoin has delivered on its promise of being a currency with a capped supply (21 million coins) and transaction system consistently for 15 years without a single hack, without a single hour of downtime, without a single hiccup. It just works.

You can argue that Bitcoin isn’t better than <insert local currency and transmission system>. You can argue that there are “better” solutions. But it has a clear use case. I use it on a daily basis and it has a fifteen year trend of continued growth whether you are looking at total market cap (bigger than Sweden’s GDP), number of nodes, number of transactions, whatever.

Most everything negative you’ve heard about Bitcoin is either hyperbolic or about other crypto. FTX wasn’t Bitcoin. Crypto coins collapsing or people being rugged? Not Bitcoin. For more information, FAQs, and myth-busting, check out bitcoin.rocks

Deflaktor ,

Not even sure why I’m bothering replying to this bot, but guess misinformation should not be left alone

  • It’s not instant it takes a long time until enough confirmations have been done. It’s not even clear how many confirmations are enough.
  • It’s only instant if you use the lightning network. Lightning network is literally a traditional bank transaction mechanism on top of bitcoin. If you are arguing for using lightning transactions, what is the point of bitcoin in the first place?
  • fees are huge and will only increase in the future.
makeasnek , (edited )
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m not a bot, I’m just an idiot.

It’s not instant it takes a long time until enough confirmations have been done. It’s not even clear how many confirmations are enough.

You’re thinking of main chain (which takes 10 minutes for the next block), though I would take a zero-conf transaction in any situation that isn’t moving more money than a day’s labor. A single confirmation means it made it into the next block which should be plenty for 99% of situations. If you’re selling your house, maybe a wait a 2-3 blocks to be sure. Lightning is instant and uses main chain for security but does settlement/transaction data off-chain.

Lightning network is literally a traditional bank transaction mechanism on top of bitcoin.

It’s not, you don’t need a bank to use it. Banks don’t settle instantly, banks have chargebacks, banks required six forms of ID, banks can’t reach some places, banks may discriminate. Lightning is Bitcoin. You lock up BTC in a lightning channel, you can then send that BTC to anybody via lightning, and when you close your channel, you get the appropriate amount of BTC back. You can run a lightning node on a phone, a “routing” node on a raspberry pi, it’s just as decentralized and trustless as the main chain is. You can open a channel directly w the person you’re transacting with or you can forward the transaction through other channels/nodes, all trustlessly, all instantly, all automatically. Nobody ever has custody of the funds aside from you and your intended recipient. There’s no central custodian (like a bank) you have to trust.

If you are arguing for using lightning transactions, what is the point of bitcoin in the first place?

Main chain and lightning have different use cases. Use main chain for long-term storage of funds or large transactions. Use lightning for everyday spending. Main chain secures lightning transactions. Main chain is layer one, lightning is layer two, it’s possible there will be more layers, just like SMTP is built on TCP which is built on Ethernet or whatever.

fees are huge and will only increase in the future.

Main chain fees are around $1.50 for the next block, which is still cheaper than a bank wire or other equivalent payment methods in many situations. You’re right though, they are expected to increase as adoption increases, but lightning has scaled that available blockspace several orders of magnitude. Lightning fees are <1% in almost all instances and aren’t expected to increase since they are not tied directly to main chain fees and no mining is required. A lightning transaction uses about as much CPU power as sending an e-mail. A single main chain transaction can open a lightning channel. You can have billions of transactions inside a lightning channel.

Deflaktor ,

I apologize, it looked like copy pasta.

You lock up BTC in a lightning channel, you can then send that BTC to anybody via lightning,

You can not send the BTC to just about anybody. Only to people with whom you have a channel open. If you want to send to anybody you need to hop through other channels using middlemen. That sounds very similar to the function of a bank.

makeasnek , (edited )
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s fair, I assume a lot of people are bots too, but I like lemmy because it’s mostly not bots :).

You can not send the BTC to just about anybody. Only to people with whom you have a channel open. If you want to send to anybody you need to hop through other channels using middlemen. That sounds very similar to the function of a bank.

You are right, if you want to send directly from your wallet to another user’s wallet with no middlemen, you need to have a channel open with that user, which you totally can and will save you on fees in the long-term if you transact with that person frequently. But I don’t do this because it’s un-necessary, you can also send funds to any other person on lightning via these middlemen. The middlemen don’t have custody of the funds, they can’t block/reverse/do anything with the transaction aside from just forward it along. You can choose who those “middlemen” are, they are usually selected based on the lowest expected fee. They route data around, if they are banks, then so are other Bitcoin nodes you connect to on main chain. But we don’t think of them as banks right? They just relay data around and they’re decentralized. You are right that they share a similar function of routing payments, the difference is in how they do that and who controls what parts of that process. Banks have immense power over your funds. Lightning nodes you route a payment through have none and anybody can run one.

khorak ,

The last time I had to send 30 Euro to someone, I had to pay 5 Euro for gas fees. It used to be even worse. Your statements are bullshit, we all know what the usual use cases are (other than speculation)

AlDente ,

5 Euros seems like a pretty standard fee for a Bitcoin transfer, which is insanely cheap for large transfers. Your 30 Euro transaction is more suitable for the lightning network, which handles off-chain transactions for much lower fees. The person you were responding to was specifically talking about the lightning network.

AVincentInSpace ,

it would be nice if the price of bitcoin was stable enough that when I sent $100 to somebody it wouldn’t be a gamble whether what they actually received was double or half that

makeasnek ,
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

It is. Lightning transactions confirm in under a second, you can sell those instantly via an exchange. The price is not that unstable and already more stable than many national currencies. You can guarantee that they receive the same amount of BTC.

AVincentInSpace , (edited )

I don’t care about amount of BTC, I care about amount of dollars. It may also surprise you to learn that I don’t care about countries where the currency is so unstable that a currency that can double in value in the space of a few months has it beat.

If bitcoin is going to become usable as a currency, even in niche circles, it has two problems to solve: energy use (three quarters of a megawatt hour per transaction, according to Forbes!) and conversion stability. I don’t want keeping money in my wallet to be a high risk investment.

zalgotext , (edited )

Crypto coins collapsing or people being rugged? Not Bitcoin.

Bitcoin has collapsed like three times in the last like 7 years dawg.

But it has a clear use case.

Sure, I suppose, if you count things like “destroying the environment” and “lining Nvidia’s pockets” as “use cases”.

Socsa ,

Hey, you forgot being the world’s slowest payment processor

Strawberry ,

and one of the world’s most scammer-friendly and least-anonymous

makeasnek ,
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

Bitcoin has collapsed like three times in the last like 7 years dawg.

If you bought 1 BTC 15 years ago, you still have 1 BTC. It has not collapsed. The price relative to USD has collapsed a few times, but the average trend is growth. Bitcoin does not guarantee any price relative to any other currency, because it can’t, all it can guarantee is a stable supply of currency. The USD, in that time period, has lost >20% of its purchasing power as well, so the USD also “crashed”.

chemicalwonka , in 20534 memes are taking up space
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Laughing in GrapheneOS

thorbot ,

Laughs in iOS

HUMAN_TRASH , in 5:57 am and dreading the possible inevitabilities

Something, something broken arms?

ChronosTriggerWarning , in 5:57 am and dreading the possible inevitabilities

I did this once… with my boss.

I was trying to respond to the gf and my fat fingers hit the wrong name in my texts. Didn’t notice until afterwards, and by then it was too late. I was never more glad to have someone pretend a thing had never happened.

MutilationWave ,

I was tripping and accidentally sent the most insane shit to my coworker instead of my wife. We didn’t like each other anyway. That was only a couple weeks ago so still kinda waiting for the shoe to drop.

ChronosTriggerWarning ,

“If you’re driving down the ocean on a jetski and the wheels fall off, how many pancakes does it take to cover a doghouse?!?”

Ghostalmedia , in The guy has his priorities super straight
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

If dude took 2 seconds too google “Beryl name,” he’d see that it has historically been a woman’s name.

mojofrododojo ,

Yup. You’ll find men named Leslie, Skylar and Parker, but I’ve never, ever heard of a single male Beryl.

bobs_monkey , in The guy has his priorities super straight

I blame the news for starting that “wOkE” shenanigans. The National Hurricane Center has been using the exact same naming convention since 1953, primarily to make tracking different storms easier. The names start with A at the beginning of the storms season, and ascend alphabetically, alternating gender. Additionally, even years start with a male name, odd years start with a female name. I highly doubt a bunch of scientists really give two shits about the naming convention when they’re really just trying to tell your dumb ass, “Hey, a storm’s coming.”

Also, Beryl is an old school woman’s name. Get the net. The previous storm was named Alberto, the next one will be Chris. These lists are predetermined many years in advance.

geology.com/hurricanes/hurricane-names.shtml

mojofrododojo ,

I blame the news

be specific, blame Fox, OAN and Newsmax. NPR isn’t pulling this woke bullshit.

thefrankring , in This is unironically fine
@thefrankring@lemmy.world avatar

This is fire! 🔥

SubArcticTundra , in Yea feel me?
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

Ok, wer hat das gepostet?

lugal ,

Ist das ein zweit Account von Instand Nudeln?

Thann , in So much for Blockchain's real life use cases
@Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

Git is a real-life use-case

Eiim ,

Git is not a blockchain. Most importantly, it’s not distributed. There’s a singular git server that all git clients for that repository connect to and use as a source of truth.

Tja ,

Counterpoint: it is a chain and there absolutely is not one server.

_MusicJunkie ,

For each project there is one authoritative instance, one “server” that everyone pushes to. Otherwise you get chaos.

perishthethought ,

That may be how you use it, but that’s not backed into git. See my previous response. There’s a bunch of FUD in this thread for some reason.

Thann ,
@Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

People want simple answers, and “blockchain bad” seems to satisfy many

Asyx ,

That’s not a git thing though. You can totally have multiple remotes and the remotes are just git repositories themselves. Git is 100% decentralized. There is technically nothing stopping you from having multiple remotes.

Tja ,

Otherwise you get git. You’re describing svn.

Thann ,
@Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

And nobody ever forked a project, and lived happily ever after, then end.

_MusicJunkie ,

If you want to work with the original project, you have to push to the server that controls the original project.

Thann ,
@Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

No you don’t, you can just fork it, add a commit, and walk away, and everyone can decide which one they want to clone

perishthethought ,

git-scm.com/…/Distributed-Git-Distributed-Workflo…

In contrast with Centralized Version Control Systems (CVCSs), the distributed nature of Git allows you to be far more flexible in how developers collaborate on projects. In centralized systems, every developer is a node working more or less equally with a central hub. In Git, however, every developer is potentially both a node and a hub; that is, every developer can both contribute code to other repositories and maintain a public repository on which others can base their work and which they can contribute to.

Windex007 ,

I agree it’s not a blockchain, (although it has chain properties) but it is kinda decentralized. By convention projects almost exclusively have a single remote, and by convention that single remote is treated as an ultimate source-of-truth… But you can absolutely have the same repo with multiple remotes defined, and one could establish different schemes to determine which branches on which remotes represent what in terms of “truth”.

xthexder ,
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I’ve pulled code branches between my computers without publishing to an external server plenty of times. It’s a really useful feature to be able to keep stuff in sync with a version history.

upto60percentoff ,

Git was built specifically to avoid the necessity to have one authoritative server.

breakingcups ,

That is patently false. It was developed to help develop the Linux kernel, which famously has multiple decentralized repositories managed by different maintainers.

The fact that most companies use it in a way you describe, with only one central repository, does not mean that git is not distributed.

TootSweet ,

One of the crucial differences between blockchain and Git is that Git is fully subserviant to humans and anything can be undone by humans.

If your blockchain house title is stolen by a hacker, either the courts (rightfully) aren’t going to put any significance on the state of the blockchain and are going to say “yeah, you still own your house” (in which case what was the point of using blockchain in the first place rather than a SQL database or some such where mistakes and problems and fraud can be undone without cryptographically-hard obstacles in the way) or if in this hypothetical the Libertarian dystopia has progressed to cartoonish extremes, you’re just SOL and lost your house, which just isn’t even remotely realistic.

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