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M500 , in Hey OpenAI

Just wait until someone connect chatgpt to one of those gigantic 3d printers that print buildings.

Are we really that far from having “AI” do this?

Acters ,

Still need someone to build it for the computer. What would really help the “AI” is to have something that can handle the creation of different interfaces and modules. Then, it would need to solve or mitigate the maintenance conundrum of repairing itself when it breaks.

TheBlue22 ,

Shit tears itself down in 2 weeks

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You can’t 3D print laying all the pipe and the electric cabling and adding fixtures and insulation and all sorts of other things homes need.

You can 3D print the basic structure. That’s it. You’re saving on bricklaying or carpentry.

ImpossibilityBox ,

And the second that it is economically viable the companies will be dumping their bricklayers/carpenters down the drain and replacing them with computer controlled construction methods.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

When will it be economically viable to dump all the people who have to set up the equipment and all of the people who have to do everything but make the basic structure? Is this ‘house set up and entirely built by robots down to the light fixtures with no human intervention’ a near future proposition?

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Damn, you really are stuck in the past, aren’t ya

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m stuck in the past because that’s not an economically viable thing to do within the foreseeable future?

Would I be stuck in the past because I said I don’t think people are going to be commuting by personal jetpack any time soon?

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Yup

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry… you honestly think people will commute by personal jetpack one day?

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Why can’t they?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Because it’s a stupid fucking idea.

Are you under the bizarre impression that every prediction about the future will come true at some point?

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Are you under the bizzar impression that the world is going to stay the same as it is now?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not an answer.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Literally anything I put is an answer to you

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Nope. I asked you if literally any prediction about the future will come true. Please answer the question.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

March 18, 2028

Happy?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Nope. That still doesn’t answer my question. Yet again: Will literally every prediction about the future come true?

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Will infinite monkeys eventually write all of Shakespeare?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Very suspicious that you refuse to answer a yes or no question. I’m starting to think I should report you for trolling.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Report me all you want dummy. I literally answered “yup” long ago and you’re still digging like you’re going to accomplish something.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, I guess I missed your answer. If every prediction about the future is true, it includes all the predictions that humanity will be wiped out relatively soon, meaning that house building will never be fully automated and no one will commute by personal jetpack. But also all housing will be automated and people will commute by personal jetpack.

At the same time.

I can’t wait to see how you resolve civilization simultaneously collapsing and advancing.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Now you’re getting it

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No, I’m really not getting it. I don’t get how two completely opposite things can simultaneously happen. That sounds literally impossible to me.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Schrodinger would like a word with you

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You really shouldn’t talk about things you don’t understand. First of all, that wouldn’t literally happen to a cat. Secondly, that’s not what a quantum superposition is.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

I was a porr attempt at a joke. You’re allowed to laugh a little dude. I don’t know what will happen in the future. Nobody does. I choose to belive in a world heading towards Star Trek over Mad Max. We have bad ‘jetpacks’ now. Why is it so hard to think they’ll upgrade to the point where they will be more accessible in the future. A la what happened the buggies and cars. They would be self driving I presume to.keep everyone more safe cause trusting the average person to fly is a bit much, but idk maybe.

We may also start ww3 at any point. Still don’t know the future. I guess for my own sanity I try not to think that way. But like, if you really want to get into thus we have to bring up a lot more subjects, mainly UBI. But, regardless, most jobs being automated, including construction, so everyone gets to be happier is a world I want to live in.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So now you’ve gone from 'house will definitely construction will definitely be entirely automated" to “I don’t know what will happen.”

Fascinating.

As far as jetpacks- people don’t want to fall to their deaths if they run out of fuel or have engine trouble on the way to work in the morning. I would have thought that would have been obvious.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

I 100% believe it will be, I was trying to relate to you asshole

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You have a strange way of relating to people- arguing with them, refusing to answer their questions, making trolling comments, insulting… not to mention never asking the person you’re trying to relate to any questions about themselves.

Is this how you claim to relate to others?

UrPartnerInCrime ,

How’s your day been?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry, after you’ve insulted me, especially since you didn’t apologize for it, I’m not particularly interested in telling you about my day. It’s strange, but I’m just not inclined to have a friendly discussion with someone who just called me an asshole.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Ok

jasondj ,

When was it economically viable to replace hand-sewn lumber with lumber mills?

Then they went and made portable electric saws. What a world!

And then electric drills! And laser levels!

Remember paper ledgers and abacuses? Ever hear of Microsoft Excel?

We keep making tools that always increase productivity and reduce time and cost. It’s Constant incremental progress, and on a large scale it’s great because it frees up (human) resources to focus on new industry and technology, which furthers the CIP. On the micro scale, there may be a small number of temporarily displaced workers as jobs shuffle around and workers re-skill.

But at this particular intersection of technology, we are at a pretty bad spot. We are on the verge of massive progress in multiple industries, and wealth has concentrated in the elite classes. “Temporarily displaced workers” won’t have the capital to re-skill or invest their own resources into new industry. This is bad.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

When was it economically viable to replace hand-sewn lumber with lumber mills?

When they did it. Because they could process a huge amount more lumber. I’m not sure I understand.

Marin_Rider ,

what they are saying is that in the past, technological leaps meant increases in productivity and generally freed the displaced workers into new careers, but this time the sheer scale of change that is imminent doesn’t leave time for that. it’s going to be bad

sleepy555 ,

Yeah, like how blacksmiths can’t find any work these days anymore. It’s heartbreaking.

mycatiskai ,

There are artisan blacksmiths that probably make bank doing custom jobs like blades and ironwork gates and other such artistry.

ghost_of_faso2 ,
@ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml avatar
UrPartnerInCrime ,

We have robots that work in warehouses moving stuff precisely all the time. Placing pipes should be no problem.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, moving things in a warehouse is exactly the same as laying plumbing and AC ductwork. There’s literally no difference in terms of complications.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Yes cause technology never gets better than it’s first iteration. There’s literally no progress ever. One and done

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

How soon do you think it will be before technology reaches the point that we can build completely functional houses with just robots? Give me a timeframe.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Do you want tonights winning lotto numbers also? How about which team will win the super bowl this year?

Nobody can tell exact time frames. But the future is happenening old man

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So robots will totally take over house building and humans will have nothing to do with it at some indefinite point in the future and that’s why people right now should be worried about their jobs. I see.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

I believe most jobs will be fully automated

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

When? Why should that make people worried about their jobs now?

UrPartnerInCrime ,

In the future. And I literally never said people should be worrying about you, you’re putting words in my mouth bro

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what this thread is about.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

All I said is that we could have the possibility soon to have robots that place pipes. You’re making this into a bigger thing

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not what this thread is about.

UrPartnerInCrime ,

Literally it is but ok

saruwatarikooji ,

Yes, we should be worried about it now.

It will happen and it will be much better if we can figure out how to handle the masses of unemployed before it is a problem.

This attitude of kicking the can down the road is exactly how things turn catastrophic.

IndefiniteBen ,

You’re right that robots aren’t going to be able to replace plumbers or electricians in traditional building projects.

But why can’t we change how new buildings are built so the method better suits robots. I’m sure with current technology we could design a building that could be built entirely by robots.

I don’t think it’ll happen because it will take a lot of time and money to develop such a holistic system, with no return on profit until it’s a complete system.

greenmarty ,

Well at one point i lead bunch of those “workers” on real project and oh boy, in some cases, i would much rather have robots do it.

AngrilyEatingMuffins ,

You can. They’ve already built prototypes that fit on the back of a semi

SomeAmateur , (edited )

Not so much of the physical building, but I bet the designing isn’t too big of a stretch. Think something like procedural generation to make 2/3 of a floor plan and have humans make sure it makes sense and add details.

UnrepententProcrastinator , in If you want to resolve problems, join your union

Reporting abuse from a boss to HR is like reporting cop abuse to the cops.

popemichael ,
@popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

This is the truth. I was being abused by a boss of mine, with him demanding to know the whole of my medical history. He also demanded doctor excuses go directly to him, and not HR as I was told,

Needless to say, HR shared that I was bitching about him and he messed up my desk, breaking an ornament and a knickknack that was precious to me at the time (I got it on honeymoon). I took photos, and HR even saw him near my desk at the time of all of that happened

It took a major civil suit to get the video, but after the judge saw it ‘my case was won’ according to the judge. It was so obvious of evidence of him breaking stuff, spitting on my chair, snapping my laptop.

I even got special consideration because my boss then gave me a laptop that was so old that I couldn’t load the required VPN software.

I’m glad I got out of a corporate run tech field. It’ll eat your soul without you noticing until it’s too late…

uphillbothways , in Kitchen when Dad cook
@uphillbothways@kbin.social avatar

At some point I learned to clean as I cook, washing each item immediately as I'm done with the step that uses it. If you can get in the habit, it's so much easier. Never a huge stack to clean and nothing sits there getting stuck on the pot/plate/whatever. Dishes are done before sitting down to eat and there's only a couple when you're done eating.

BirdyBoogleBop ,

You don’t need any more than 2 cooking vessels be that a pot and pan or 2 pots. If you use more stop it! Also do the bloody dishes I ain’t your mother! How can 1 person use 4 plates and 12 forks before dinner in 1 day!?! How!

Sabre363 ,

As someone with ADHD, using too many dishes is pretty standard.

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

How can 1 person use 4 plates and 12 forks before dinner in 1 day!?! How!

I have been asking my wife this for 3 years now. She still hasn’t been able to give a satisfactory answer.

Mr_Blott ,

Hey fuck you. “BECAUSE!!!” is a perfectly satisfactory answer

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Maybe for you, but I’m the one who does the dishes, if every plate and half the cups are dirty in a single day when I’ve been at work, then I’d like to know how 2 meals used 6 plates and a dozen cups.

Ragincloo ,

My roommate uses every dish in the house daily. Idk how, it’s ridiculous

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

How can 1 person use 4 plates and 12 forks before dinner in 1 day!?! How!

Don’t judge me!

Imgonnatrythis ,

What are you on about? Just the other night I had a pan for roasting seeds, a pot for building a sauce, a pan for cooking protein and another pot for cooking my starch. And that’s just a Tuesday meal. If I made a dedicated effort to be minimal with vessels, I’d still have to wait for them to cool for cleaning. Also, to all the clean while you cook advocates on here, that’s easier to do with a known preparation. When you’ve Just downloaded a new recipe and you have no idea what you are doing, your often don’t have the bandwidth to leave the project and start cleaning.

CyberEgg ,

Also, to all the clean while you cook advocates on here, that’s easier to do with a known preparation. When you’ve Just downloaded a new recipe and you have no idea what you are doing, your often don’t have the bandwidth to leave the project and start cleaning.

Then maybe read the recipe before you start.

LunarSC ,

Just have a photographic memory!!! It’s easy!

zalgotext ,

Bruh recipes take on average like a few minutes to read through. No one’s asking anyone to memorize anything, just read maybe two or three hundred words before starting to cook so you have an idea of what you’re doing

BirdyBoogleBop ,

Protein and starch together could even put them in a roasting dish instead, and a sauce pot.

I dunno abouts seeds? What seeds are you roasting and how was this incorperated into the meal?

Im one guy so my food is simple one pot meals usually or two pot meals if I get fancy.

scytale ,

Even just rinsing before food dries/hardens helps a lot for washing later. That’s what I do.

kryptonianCodeMonkey ,

Dishwashers are a necessity in the kitchen if you have the space. I almost never hand wash a dish.

ShakeThatYam ,
@ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world avatar

There are some dishes that should only be handwashed though. Most knives, pots, and pans shouldn’t be dishwashed. Even the ones that claim to be dishwasher safe will not last as long if dishwashed.

kryptonianCodeMonkey ,

If it can’t be cleaned in the dishwasher, it isnt for me. Dont care what the label says. I put every dish through the crucible. If it melts, it’s trashed. If it cracks, it’s trashed. No pussy dishes in my kitchen. Get in the magic scalding water box and quit your bitchin’.

criitz ,

Amen! If they don’t survive the dishwasher then it’s just nature culling the weak from the pack.

zeppo ,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

I try to just not buy things that can’t be put in the dishwasher.

DigitalPaperTrail , in Do yourself a favor

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  • Delphia ,

    Also who TF sits down to a big bowl of coleslaw? Its a side dish. You pair it with shit.

    Julienne apple slaw and spicy pulled pork.

    Candied pinapple slaw and jerk chicken.

    Elevate your cullinary game folks.

    xusontha , in Where is Kevin?

    Kevin w a gun

    Kevin finds your lack of Trek… disturbing

    TotallyNotSpez ,
    OpenStars ,
    @OpenStars@kbin.social avatar

    Kevin has altered the deal...pray he does not alter it any further.

    Mothra , in You just kind of get numb and accept it after a while

    Nah, listen, things can change. This may become a public transport commute, a walk, or you may not even go at all if you work from home. But what really sucks is when you are unemployed, and yes I speak from experience on all of these examples

    radioactiveradio ,

    I’ve been unemployed for two week and it doesn’t suck. I can do what I want when I want. What really sucks is eventually being broke after running out of money.

    UnculturedSwine ,

    Maybe it’s because I lucked into a career that I can be content in but I would rather be employed than unemployed even if I was able to sustain myself through my unemployment. I’m happier if I have a job from which I can derive a sense of purpose and duty. If I was a multimillionaire, I would probably either volunteer or still be working.

    radioactiveradio ,

    Well, working for someone else and working for yourself is different i guess. Drawing cool characters and manga for myself than working for some company making garbage for social media. I don’t consider that 'work 'cuz I love it and have fun. It’s more of a playtime for me. I’m just saying I’d rather be doing that than making ads or editing corporate videos with that jarring background music all day.

    UnculturedSwine ,

    I literally work in tech configuring and troubleshooting servers all day. I wouldn’t really call it fun but it is fulfilling.

    Buttons ,
    @Buttons@programming.dev avatar

    I bet you’ve been doing it less than 5 years? Give it time, you’ll see past the fulfilling part eventually.

    UnculturedSwine ,

    I’ve been doing it for 12…

    Mo5560 ,

    I assume different people have different needs, but I feel so much more content with life when I get up early and drive my bike to work/Uni. Having some structure forced onto me is just way easier than living from day to day. But I have also struggled with depression in the past, I may require it more than others do.

    tocopherol ,
    @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    People that really enjoy being unemployed might have only had jobs that didn’t feel fulfilling or were degrading, annoying or whatever. I used to feel great without work, between jobs because I worked shitty places. Now I have a job doing more useful work with a better environment and it feels nice to be there.

    I agree with the depression also, it’s easy for me to procrastinate and be unproductive and live more slovenly, but when I am working more it does force me into a bit better of a routine.

    freebee ,

    It’s fun for the first few months. Catch up on games movies etc. Gets boring after a few months, most people need goals in life and find it hard to set them for themselves…

    radioactiveradio ,

    And what goals would I be getting done making advertisements to feed on people’s time? I felt like a zombie when I was working. I do understand that if you get a job you really love doing and don’t feel like what you’re putting in your time in isn’t pointless. But that kind of job is very hard to find, and you definitely can set goals for yourself. Opensource projects are a good example of that. Mangas, indie games, etc. You just need enough drugs to make it work.

    Zink ,

    “You just need enough drugs to make it work”

    You figured out the name of my memoir!

    freebee ,

    It’s not impossible, but it can be hard. A job offers some obligated (often real life) social interaction. Might be annoying sometimes, but none at all isn’t healthy either. Many people really aren’t capable of setting goals for themselves, having their own business or networks etc. Most jobs offer more than money to an employee, the employee might not realise it themselves.

    Zink ,

    I’ve had two multi-month stretches of unemployment since the start of covid, and before that I was employed for 15+ years straight.

    The “not working” part never got old. I am a chill person and a homebody so it was wonderful sometimes.

    The part about not earning money, yeah that sucked. Living below our means for years made sure that the financial side wasn’t life-shattering, but it was still a huge hit.

    SobelOperator ,
    @SobelOperator@reddthat.com avatar

    True. Most of us are just working to buy our financial independence. Having my own business is even more challenging.

    I’ve been trying for more than a decade and still poor (doing better than before but still poor), but that’s still the plan for me.

    flames5123 ,

    Yeah I like my public transit commute with walk. Gives me a good 10 minute meditation time in the morning. Sure, I’d prefer to not have to go in, but it’s nice that it’s free for me to do that since the company has the unlimited pass.

    SARGEx117 , in Thank God

    tosses and turns, occasionally glancing at the clock, getting more and more pissed as the hours go by until finally, exhaustion creeping in, your alarm goes off

    Repeat every day.

    Every.

    Single.

    DAY.

    Darkenfolk ,

    Once read somewhere that if you put your phone away an hour before you go to bed that you sleep better.

    Real shame, I could’ve used that knowledge an hour ago.

    Album ,
    @Album@lemmy.ca avatar

    I used to be like this. Once you learn to let go the anxiety won’t keep you up. It’s counter intuitive in a cruel way. But that’s life the more enraged you are at the lack of control you inevitably have the farther you are from achieving your desired goals.

    FlexibleToast , in She helps when I cook.

    Not to make them feel included, but to kill their curiosity. I always offer a smell of my food to my cat and then take it away. She gets to smell it and realize it’s something she isn’t interested in. I think that’s the reason she doesn’t bother people while they’re eating. She knows she isn’t interested in “people food.”

    fiat_lux ,

    She gets to smell it and realize it’s something she isn’t interested in.

    We have had very different cats then.

    Noodle07 ,

    Yup, mine was way too happy about the opportunity to steal anything

    FlexibleToast ,

    I’ve never had a cat that wants people food, and I think it’s because of just showing them what it is and then taking it away.

    fiat_lux ,

    My last cat was food-obsessed. I would do the "show, sniff, remove" thing and it would work depending on the food. But many foods only needed a fraction of a second for her to know she needed it in her mouth right now. If you took it before her attempt to eat it, you met the response of "hey, I wasn't done with that!" and the paw would come out to bring your hand back.

    For roast chicken you would have to actively defend your plate the entire meal. She would sit next to you and very slowly try to "sneak" her paw on to your plate to take what she could. As though I wasn't watching her like a hawk and she had some kind of cloak of invisibility.

    I miss my round dinner thief.

    captain_aggravated ,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    My cat does like some people food, but yeah most of it is “You don’t want this.”

    Cats don’t like pepsi, but mine has to sniff every last can.

    tryptaminev ,

    we always had to defend the table when we had two cats. They both would steal sausage, ham, cream cheese and butter and one of them would even take cheese and margarine.

    i think the only people food they didnt like was purely plant based stuff.

    LillyPip ,

    Not to make them feel included, but to kill their curiosity.

    That’s how she feels included. Even if you don’t mean it that way, that’s how she sees it. She’s important enough that you care what she thinks. That’s good cat parenting.

    FlexibleToast ,

    Yeah, I’m just saying it isn’t the intent of what I do.

    orphiebaby ,

    I do this too. But of course some cat like some or most people food more than others. My cat eats ranch dressing, eggs, dairy, and oils. She’ll eat a few meats too. But she is mostly uninterested in human food, so I fulfill her curiosity often because it’s kind to my cat and it helps stave off her desire to beg. I also thinks she just trusts me more and is more fond of me because I engage with her in her interests a lot. Hell, that’s just good advice for raising children too.

    thorbot , in Even my mom is a better pirate.

    If you’re on pages that have any fake download buttons you’re doing it wrong fam

    Srootus ,

    I went on APKMirror the other day without an adblocker on, holy shit!

    antonim , in What an evolution 🙄😒

    The last one is not the Firefox logo, but the general Mozilla Foundation logo.

    Source: literally just looking at the icon on your desktop.

    I know I shouldn’t be the one to nitpick because I posted a similar “design simplification bad” meme myself just yesterday, but still… :D

    Tedrow , in Well I feel better now.
    @Tedrow@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t know if this is true, but it does make me feel better!

    LetMeEatCake ,

    It’s not true, I saw a different meme on it the other day and looked it up. This came about because some company made an advertisement at Salzburg Airport that looked kind of like a help desk tag for someone that mistakingly flew to Austria instead.

    The giveaway here is that it’s Salzburg, not Vienna. International flyers into Austria are almost universally going to end up in Vienna by default. Vienna’s airport sees ~20x the annual passenger count.

    some_guy ,

    Well, I rarely downvote, but disinformation gets it every time. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Moonrise2473 , (edited )

    Paywall. Isn’t stupid for an article like this? It’s a curiosity that attracts many people from the world. That page is designed to just be ad-supported. Nobody living outside Austria would ever subscribe to “the local - Austria” just because it’s curious about a meme/ad.

    Why even bother writing that article if nobody can read it

    Link fixed: archive.ph/wVNt5

    obinice , in *monch*
    @obinice@lemmy.world avatar

    Fuck nestle, yo.

    EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted , (edited )
    @EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Fun fact: in the United States, they are made by Hershey under license from Nestlé.

    Still shouldn’t buy them though since I don’t see why part of the license wouldn’t be payment of some sort to Nestlé.

    Technus ,

    Real chads boycott Nestlé.

    yogthos , in Are you prepared for the future?
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

    Mad Max world has an unreasonably robust gasoline production infrastructure.

    explodicle ,

    Huh, all this time I assumed they got gas from dead people’s cars, but I just looked it up and that only lasts 6 months.

    Sharkwellington ,

    This bugged me about The Last of Us as well. If I remember correctly at some point they siphon gas from a car on the road…20 years after it was abandoned.

    CarbonIceDragon ,
    @CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

    Now I’m vaguely curious what a mad-max type car barbarian apocalypse setting would look like in a world where everyone had transitioned to EVs long before the apocalypse

    eerongal ,
    @eerongal@ttrpg.network avatar

    You’d hear the roar of the baseball cards in their tire spokes long before you see the bicycle horde coming over the sand dune.

    yogthos ,
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

    Car batteries last for around 10-20 years, so don’t think that would work out.

    CarbonIceDragon ,
    @CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

    Would it be possible to make more? I don’t imagine one could manufacture something on the level of a modern EV battery without modern industrial equipment, but electric vehicles technically existed even at the point where cars were first getting invented, made by individual inventors and such, just with much lower speed and range. How useful a vehicle like that would be I’m not sure, but if there’s no easily obtainable oil around, maybe better than nothing?

    yogthos ,
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

    Would probably be easier to go back to using animals at that point. You can make crude batteries without high tech manufacturing, but they’re going to have low energy density and likely gonna be made out of toxic stuff. So not ideal for vehicles.

    Name , in Trust me bro it's 100% true

    Didn’t they claim the same duritg the Gulf war, and it turnjd out not to be true?

    yogthos ,
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar
    BluesF ,

    Repetition legitimises

    Masimatutu ,

    Repetition legitimises

    Peaty ,

    The claim then was even less believable as it was republican guard were dumping babies from incubators.

    SuckMyWang ,

    I can’t remember if there was actually a pinch of truth to this claim but was spun in such terrible faith. From memory I believe what happens is when a fetus is aborted for what ever reason such as a termination or a threat to the mothers life, the fetus has to go somewhere. It’s a logical thing to incinerate the dead we do it all the time and same goes for fetus’s. I’m unsure if the mothers have the option to bury or cremate or if in a hospital setting it’s called incineration. I just reread you’re last word and may have got your subject wrong now I see incubators.

    psychothumbs ,

    It turned out to have no basis in reality - the person telling the story turned out to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US or something like that.

    PolyLlamaRous , in Vegan food: The west vs India

    There’s actually a lot of plant based meat that are chemical / preservative free, Redefine Meat comes first to mind. As there is a lot of animal meat that is full of chemicals, preservatives, carcinogens, and antibiotics use.

    I would only assume most fast food meals, meat ones included, are not chemical / preservative free. That’s a western fast food problem, vegan or not.

    Lastly, vegan people broadly don’t eat plant based meats. Like it get the joke… It’s just broadly inaccurate. Meat eaters, people trying to eat less meat, and some vegetarians buy plant based meats.

    Fades ,

    Very true, great points all around

    Now with that out of the way, this is literally just a lame “I’ve depicted the group I don’t agree with as the Soyjak and my group as the Chad, thus superiority confirmed”.

    It was never going to be a balanced take

    atzanteol ,

    There’s actually a lot of plant based meat that are chemical / preservative free

    Literally everything in this sentence is wrong.

    PolyLlamaRous ,

    My dude… Says who? You? It’s not hard to Google - you find lists of them when you do.

    IntentionallyAnon ,

    Chemical free food? Everything is a chemical. Not hard to google that: googlethatforyou.com?q=what%20defines%20a%20chemical

    atzanteol ,

    “plant-based” is not “meat”. Are there “meat-based plants?”

    All food is comprised of “chemicals”.

    thecodeboss ,

    Thank you, it drives me nuts when people say shit like “chemical-free”. Everything is made out of chemicals, tell me which one otherwise I’ll just assume you’re uneducated and afraid of things you can’t pronounce.

    abraxas , (edited )

    Lastly, vegan people broadly don’t eat plant based meats

    I think it’s a demographics thing. There’s a whole lot of vegans who eat “fake meat” regularly or even exclusively. I have a successful restaurant chain near me that specialized in “plant-based alternative” meals, from burgers to lasagnas and everything in between. No it’s not all meat. Lots of “Cashew Cheese” and similar.

    And honestly, I don’t think vegans should be faulted for “wanting meat but not eating it”. It’s the ones that get judgey of non-vegans like the other 99% are somehow inferior to them. I know way too many vegans who are vegan for good reasons or for personal-trauma reasons, and they should be left alone. Even if they want a miracle burger and mac 'n cashes.

    PolyLlamaRous ,

    Of course there is. Not saying no vegans eat it ever. It could be a regional variable, but I’m speaking about population as a whole, not your local vegan restaurant. Google says 86% of plant based meat is bought by meat eaters. I also work in the field so have some knowledge on the subject. 86% is about right but could be 5-8% high. But in any case, the people who buy it are broadly meat eater, or more likely “flexitarians” .

    And vegans should eat more plant based meats. The better brands are very healthy and it could help them stick to their vegan diets.

    abraxas , (edited )

    Google says 86% of plant based meat is bought by meat eaters

    The reference behind that Google statement (assuming the same) is a vegan blog talking about the Beyond brand only, and it’s citing a wordpress site as its source, and the wordpress site has been deleted.

    NPD has a study mis-cited by vegnews.com (that MPD doesn’t actually seem to cite), but it includes plant-based milks, and I don’t think that gives meaningful numbers. I’ll drink a soy latte with a steak any day. I’m lactose intolerant.

    NIH has the most reliable study, that settled around 2/3 of plant-meat consumers are omnivores. Which is saying something, but is also not surprising from the fact that almost 90% of the world consumes meat. So I think it sorta just runs out to nowhere, with regards to being a demographic thing. Clearly, vegans and vegetarians are more likely to consume plant-based meat than meat-eaters. With 10% of Americans being vegetarian and representing over 30% of plant-based meat consumers, they’re eating that stuff up.

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