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saltnotsugar , in Pleas wait

Hey can you mark a porcelain figure of a woman and a chicken?
“Sure, old ladies love-“
Yeah but the chicken needs a gaping asshole.

CorrodedCranium ,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

A terrifying exhibit about what cloacas are

rotopenguin ,
@rotopenguin@infosec.pub avatar

A titillating display of what cloacas are

Gabu ,

I’ll be honest, the audience for this one is very small.

PhlubbaDubba , in I mean where are the zipties keeping things secured? It's a mess

zipties arteries

dies of a heart attack

Oreos ,

Better use velcro straps next time

namelivia , in Your big brain conservtive/capitalist takes will be laughed at

Platforms have no political alignment, users have

meliaesc ,

You cannot tell me TruthSocial has no political alignment.

huge_clock ,

Also why would you want to be in an echo chamber? I’m more of a libertarian but I like surrounding myself with people that challenge my views.

OrnateLuna ,

I like not having the right of my existence challenged but to each their own

ComradePorkRoll ,

You’re not a libertarian you’re a conservative who’s afraid to admit so.

huge_clock ,

Do you think that’s of all the issues in politics, it’s only valid to have the same 2 political views as everyone else? Or can people have wide ranging views on many topics?

LoreleiSankTheShip ,

I don’t agree. The simple fact that Lemmy is decentralised is a political thing. It’s about who has power over the platform, and that is inherently a political issue. The status-quo of other platforms, that being under the control of a corporation, is also a political stance.

PS: everything is politics, that’s not a good or bad thing, it’s neutral. If you don’t think of something as political, that just means it’s oriented towards the status-quo you are used to.

Mockrenocks ,

Did the platform just blink into existence or was it created and advanced by someone’s hand? To what end?

JokeDeity , in Your big brain conservtive/capitalist takes will be laughed at

True. Reddit was pretty center-right oriented. Lemmy leans more left and I do enjoy seeing the Trumpers here getting dunked on pretty frequently.

tsz ,

Dunked on? The fuck kind of idiocracy bullshit is that?

CaptnNMorgan ,

Having hate in your heart hurts you a lot more than other people.

tsz ,

I don’t have hate, I’m just sick of seeing what should be seen as a discussion (even if one side is ridiculous/borderline fascist) get debased further by the side with the moral/logical advantage calling basic reasoning and conversation “dunking” on the other side. It’s pathetic. You can do better than to look at political discussions as opportunities for someone to get dunked on. If you can’t, then I’ll just keep dunking on u bruh.

applejacks ,
@applejacks@lemmy.world avatar

Reddit was pretty center-right oriented.

lmao

JokeDeity ,

Go on then, how would you describe it overall?

tocopherol ,

Do you doubt that? What is your idea of the left? What is seen as ‘left’ or even what conservatives call ‘the radical left’ in the US would likely be seen as center or center-right globally.

V17 ,

What is seen as ‘left’ or even what conservatives call ‘the radical left’ in the US would likely be seen as center or center-right globally*.

*in most of the western world and pretty much nowhere else.

HawlSera ,

And when you did find Leftists they were just bootlicking tankies.

Ataraxia ,

I haven’t seen any of that but I’ve seen a shit ton of owning the libs bullshit.

KairuByte , in cloudfare bad
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

O.o Do you understand what Cloudflare actually does?

RickyRigatoni OP ,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

Provides a single point of failure for a large portion of the internet that nobody else has any control over?

AFaithfulNihilist ,
@AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world avatar

Using cloudflare is more reliable than using your own stuff which is still an option that nobody chooses anymore because it’s better to choose cloudflare or something similar.

I’m going to go ahead and assume you don’t work with internet security in any way, have no experience in web development, and have never attempted to provide web application services to more people than you can count on your fingers, but if you had, cloudflare is mana from heaven.

foggy ,

This persons main connection to the internet is hentai.

Just… save your braincells.

zifnab25 ,

yea

foggy ,

So no, then.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Well no but I heard other people say it’s bad and give some half reasons why. Why do I need to understand the tech if I just want to be mad about it? /s

Fr though cloudflare is a giant, but they give some hardcore protections to little guys like me. If they ever were bad to me I’d switch to akamai or something. Plus if we’re going to talk about monopolizing the web let’s talk about Google, Azure, and AWS.

taanegl ,

Oh no, centralising DNS and CDN traffic which are critical for the web and the internet into a single company is a bad idea?! Who knew!?!

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

While that can indeed be considered an issue, the idea that this somehow makes the internet objectively worse is debatable.

RickyRigatoni OP ,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

there is no debate i am always correct :)

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That is an objectively untrue statement.

RickyRigatoni OP ,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

you are an objectively untrue statement

nat_turner_overdrive ,
@nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net avatar

gotem

Dirk , in Microsoft Edge is actually good lmao
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Windows bad, give Internet points!

Sheeple OP ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Edge browser bad, give Internet points!

bl4ckblooc ,

God damn kids these days.

Internet Explorer was bad, give me internet points.

Blackmist ,

Bring back NSAPI plugins!

I miss visiting random dubious websites, only for a command prompt to pop up and disappear, and then sudden CPU and network spikes as it does god knows what…

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Bring back anti-trust lawsuits, while we’re on the topic of cool things that aren’t done anymore

e0qdk ,
@e0qdk@kbin.social avatar

They are! There are US antitrust cases going on right now against Google (x2), Amazon, and Meta/Facebook. Some links that may be of interest:

FrostyCaveman ,

MOAR!

Dirk ,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

The funny thing is: Edge isn’t actually a bad browser. It’s basically Chrome with custom Microsoft UI. So it behaves like pretty much all other browsers except Firefox.

Valmond ,

Except they force side buttons and other crap onto it.

Dirk ,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Just started it for you, since I’m on my work device which runs Windows.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/b9ca569d-573d-412d-bf2c-ca361ad94098.png

What exactly do you mean? Looks like a plain browser window to me.

ryathal ,

I had to disable some outlook sync feature a while ago that opened on every new tab, otherwise it’s been fine.

Dirk ,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Yep. It is very integrated into the OS. Since it is the OS default browser released by the same company as the OS this is no surprise.

As a tech-savvy user one can configure it to their use case. Everyone else can simply use it as it is and they will be fine most of the time.

Sheeple OP ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

You can disable those

Valmond ,

I know, but it’s like all windows crapware, “you can disable them” yeah that sucks because from time to time it’s Kazoing back after a reboot…

mexicancartel ,

Not only UI, but also trackers by microsoft. Btw no I wouldnt say chrome is a good one either

Xelnoc ,
@Xelnoc@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

chrome with microsoft ui

hence bad

ElderWendigo ,

I’m an edgy corporate fuckboy, give Internet points!

Johanno ,

Firefox good, Steam deck good, unity bad!

StereoTrespasser , in Don't get your hopes too high

I can’t decide if it’s a good thing or a bad thing, honestly. I joined the initial wave of people leaving Reddit when RiF died. I was excited to see my niche communities like Skyrim Mods and ObsidianMD pop up here, but over time they stagnated as people slipped back to Reddit.

At the same time, I came to realize that I spent a lot of time on stupid subs browsing stupid content that just sucked away my time. And for even my niche subs that I missed, I realized that 75% of that new content is the same reposts, the same arguments, the same debates. I do cheat every once in awhile and go back to Reddit, but now it’s to see the top posts of the month to see what I’ve missed. Turns out, I haven’t missed much.

It has taken a while to get Lemmy where I want it. I’ve filtered a ton of communities and users that do nothing but talk about Russia and socialism and whatever the fuck tankies are, and there sure were a lot of cartoons of animals with enormous NSFW bits I had to filter, but it’s starting to come together now for me.

nodimetotie OP ,

Your comment resonates with me on more than one level. I joined Lemmy after Apollo went down, and incidentally was also excited to see ObsidianMD (hello, fellow Obsidian user). I was hoping people would migrate over from Reddit but alas, I still have to go where the discussion is. I kind of feel bad about it, but still do it. I also feel like moving away from Reddit saved me from hours of mindless doom scrolling,although I suspect that now I am doing that when reading Lemmy local.

Mostly_Gristle ,

There were/are a lot of dumb subs full of dumb content for sure, but what I miss about Reddit are the subs that have a super deep expert knowledge base. The plumbing sub, the mechanic advice sub, the vacuum sub, the fountain pen sub, etc. I’ve saved a lot of money and heartache by asking knowledgeable people naive questions in niche subreddits. Lemmy just plain doesn’t have the numbers for those kinds of subs to exist here at that level yet. But I hope we get there because for me that was the best thing about Reddit (though I also have a soft spot for the big “what’s your true real life paranormal experience” mega-threads that would pop off every few months.)

Absolute_Axoltl , in Sorry for the inconvenience

Need one of those tools for measuring spaghetti portions attached https://feddit.uk/pictrs/image/1234b148-fd71-44f5-8605-b4920a0f8c61.jpeg

nonailsleft ,

That thing only works for standard length tho

WoahWoah ,

Periodically move it sideways. One oversized poop becomes two standard poops. Pooplication.

nonearther , in just wait, it could get worse....

You forgot -

  • Housing crisis which makes house impossible to afford.
  • Rent crisis which makes event renting harder and gives owners freehand to increase rent however they like
  • Global job scarcity
  • Stagnation of income in sight of exploding inflation
EherVielleicht OP ,

True, but it has to be readable.

SlopppyEngineer ,
  • Forest fires that turn the sky red
  • Record rainfall and flooding
  • Once in a millennium heatwaves

It depends on where you live of course

Hovenko ,
@Hovenko@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar
  • being called millenials
kibiz0r , in Power Sources

Obligatory Kyle Hill videos because keyword “nuclear energy”:

youtu.be/4aUODXeAM-k

youtu.be/J3znG6_vla0

Some things to note:

Going back to 1965, air pollution from fossil fuels has cost us around 81 million lives. 4,000 people in China die every day due to fossil fuel pollution. 1 in 5 premature deaths can be attributed to fossil fuels.

Radiation in pop culture is portrayed as difficult to contain, but that isn’t the case. We know how to do it well, and we already do it.

Pop culture depictions fail to illustrate the radiation that is released into the air, unable to be properly managed, as a result of fossil fuel production and consumption.

Quatity_Control ,

Containing the radiation isn’t the same as resolving the nuclear waste problem.

Fazoo ,
@Fazoo@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s why we’ve already seen breakthroughs in reactors that use nuclear waste for fuel.

Quatity_Control ,

Which if they were practically feasible, still wouldn’t be running for another ten years. Whereas the time and money and resources looking for breakthroughs in that ten years, could easily go to renewables and hey, they don’t need a breakthrough solution for nuclear waste. They already work and already are cheaper. Literally the solution. Right there.

MossyFeathers ,

We would have had that solved a long time ago if it weren’t for a few factors.

The first is that a significant amount of radioactive waste is short-term. Like, literally inert after a couple years. The reason for that is because the vast majority of radioactive waste isn’t actually inherently radioactive. Most of it has become radioactive as a result of coming into extended contact with highly radioactive sources. However my understanding is that despite being short-lived, you must dispose of it the same way you’d dispose of nuclear fuel rods. This is an issue that could be resolved by separating the short-lived stuff from the fuel rods and returning the short-lived stuff to a landfill once radioactivity drops to background radiation levels.

Factor 2: paranoia. We had a potential permanent waste site in the middle of nowhere, in an extremely geologically stable area in the US that has virtually no chance of flooding, however people thought that radioactive waste buried beneath a literal mountain would somehow still poison them. So Yucca Mountain was never fully completed. Afaik it’s technically still on the table but it’s been completely defunded thanks to NIMBYs, so instead nuclear waste is being stored across the US at various nuclear plants which are less geologically stable, have a higher chance for flooding, etc. This also hampers state and national efforts to clean up decommissioned plants and nuclear accidents. The waste has to go somewhere; if you have no where to safely store it, you can’t clean it up.

Factor 3: if I understand correctly, we could hypothetically design nuclear plants with reactor chains that produce dead fuel rods (fuel rods that are completely spent). However, a lot of weapons-grade material would be produced during the intermediate stages. For sooome reason everyone freaks out when they hear you’re making weapons-grade radioactive material, even if you promise you’re just using it to generate power. I can’t imagine why /s

The problems with nuclear storage are actually pretty easily solved, it’s just that no one wants to because they’d rather pretend nuclear doesn’t exist to begin with. I swear, we could have a one-time pill that makes you fully immune to every radiation-induced disease and people would still freak out about nuclear. Hell, there was an article I saw a month or two about how a bunch of researches discovered that turning used graphite control rods into diamonds resulted in low-power batteries that could be used for things that require a small amount of power over long durations (like SSDs or RAM). Iirc something about the diamond’s structure meant it contained its own radiation as well, meaning it didn’t need any radiation shielding either despite generating energy via radioactivity.

relic_ ,

Factor 1: Not quite accurate. Yes there are categories of waste; the names change depending on the regulator. The lower level wastes are already disposed of in the US (there are already four such facilities). The politically charged problem is always the spent nuclear fuel itself.

Factor 2: Senator Reed (D-NV) was a former Senate majority leader. He extracted the defending of Yucca Mountain from the Obama administration as a concession to pass Obamacare. It’s still technically viable and not disposing of waste costs enormous amounts of money. The federal government is legally obligated to take spent fuel off the hands of operators. Obviously they have not, so the government is sued (and loses). This has cost the government roughly $20b for their inaction see here..

Factor 3: You can recycle spent fuel but there’s no concept as spent fuel with zero radioactivity.

Two largest problems in the US: Inability to manage waste and inability to execute on large scale construction required for nuclear.

MossyFeathers ,

On factor 3: I thought that there were cyclic reactor chains, where the fuel produced at the end of the chain could be reused at the start. If followed long enough, wouldn’t that theoretically result in fully spent fuel rods? It might take a long time, but it’s not impossible and in the meantime, they’re still being useful and generating power when they’d normally be discarded.

HikingVet ,

It’s better than what we are doing to limit the emissions from petroleum.

Quatity_Control ,

That’s kinda the problem. Money that should be going to renewables is going to nuclear, which won’t be effective for many years. Renewables don’t have the high cost and requirements and ramp up time nuclear requires.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@kbin.social avatar

Nuclear could be extremely effective right now, if only someone put money into it and people stopped jumping at ghosts. We have the technology, it's not like we have another 2 decades of research to make it viable. The general public is just uninformed and when someone says "nuclear" they hear "Chernobyl" and this has caused quite a lot of general mass panic, despite the fact that nuclear is one of the safest and most environmentally friendly power production technologies that exist today.

Quatity_Control ,

No one has mentioned Chernobyl here. And burying the waste for 240000 years and hoping it doesn’t leak is not a solution.

Renewables are safer and cheaper and more environmental. There is no case for nuclear.

SwedishFool ,

Chernobyl happened because of a multitude of reasons that just aren’t capable of happening today in the western world. This is just pure fear-mongering, it’s like saying we need to ban planes because of world trade center, or ban all research on narcotic medications because the opiod epidemic.

A wind farm costs in the range of 32 - 62 dollar per megawatts (Judith Gap/Spion Kop wind farms), compared to the 29 dollars per megawatt for nuclear power (average in USA year 2021).

In USA there are 92 reactors totaling 809 terawatt hours. To compensate for that with wind turbines you would require roughly 33.000 wind turbines all running 24/7 at max capacity with no down-time assuming a rated limit of 3 megawatt. Together those wind turbines would collectively take up 260 square kilometers.

Building them would likely be close to impossible as there isnt any infrastructure to make 33.000 in a timely manner. Since 2005 about 3000 has been built per year, assuming current production that would mean 11 years without producing parts for servicing current turbines to simply just replace the nuclear energy.

Lets make it a little more interesting and compare wind turbines to Browns Ferry nuclear plant. It has 3 reactors producing in total 3600 megawatt, to compensate for just that plant alone it would require 1200 turbines. To make it even more interesting, fossile fuel plants produces in total 2554 terawatt hours, and is the worst energy source we have, and would require roughly 104.000 turbines to offset, or 34 years of wind turbine production. That means the old turbines will have to be replaced before theyre all even fully built assuming the 20-30 year life expectancy.

Are you starting to grasp the problems with wind turbines now? To stop the usage of fossile fuel for powerplants you need other complementary systems. We need to get rid of fossile plants -now- and there’s literally no way wind turbines could ever realistically fill that role alone. You’re barking up the wrong tree.

Quatity_Control ,

Again, no one but you mentioning Chernobyl.

You’re ignoring solar and hydro. No one said everything has to be wind.

Nuclear costs in the US are at that price because the industry is mature and subsidised by the government significantly. As in France, as reactors age, things get a lot costlier. Maintaining the surplus industries for storage, maintenance, supplies and infrastructure for nuclear are only getting more expensive. And you still haven’t solved the waste problem. Renewables have some obstacles, but none that can’t be resolved with money. And the end result is cleaner and cheaper.

SwedishFool , (edited )

You mentioned chernobyl in the very comment I replied to, you being the first person in this entire comment section to do so.

You’re also oversimplifying the problems and arguing in bad faith by simply ignoring the viability and reality. You can’t just throw money at a problem and it’ll magically resolve itself. Instead of arguing against one of our safest energy sources you should turn your eyes towards fossile power plants which is genuinely killing our planet as we speak. To end that madness in any sort of reasonable time frame you need a combination of all options.

I also want to add that the production costs for nuclear power I mentioned above, doesn’t count in subsidizes, it’s based on the actual average costs among these 92 reactors without withdrawing government spendings.

My source is Statista, “the production costs equal the sum of operations and capital costs and fuel costs”.

You still are just spouting fearmongering that’s going to kill our planet before any “worst case scenarios” you can dream up about nuclear power has any chance to.

Quatity_Control ,

At this point you’re either trolling or arguing with yourself and for some reason replying to me.

I’m not “fearmongering” when I point out the indisputable fact that renewables don’t produce nuclear waste. You’re also not including the supporting industries that nuclear requires in your costs. And more importantly, you’re only looking at the US. Even then, your figures are arguable.

Wikipedia “In 2019 the US EIA revised the levelized cost of electricity from new advanced nuclear power plants going online in 2023 to be $0.0775/kWh before government subsidies”

Wikipedia “The global weighted average levelised cost of electricity (LCOE) of new onshore wind projects added in 2021 fell by 15%, year‑on‑year, to USD 0.033/kWh, while that of new utility-scale solar PV fell by 13% year-on-year to USD 0.048/kWh and that of offshore wind declined 13% to USD 0.075/kWh.”

Nuclear may make current economic sense when you ignore the storage issues and the cost of new reactors and the unavoidable increase in uranium importation. Long term it doesn’t. Renewables don’t have that issue and are already cheaper.

Again, renewables globally are cheaper and safer. Byeeeeeee

Meowoem ,

Except that clearly isn’t true, if nuclear was a viable solution then we’d be building power plants but we’re not because they make no sense economically or practically.

Look at all the plants in France losing more money every time they have another problem, shutting down in the summer because the rivers get low… Oh someone said the word terror attack let’s spend a whole boat load of euros on security because they’re such a massive and vulnerable target…

They keep saying the new nuclear will be great and we just need ten more years of oil and gas plus a billion in research and development grants then it’ll do everything they promised a decade ago.

For a lot of people it seems to have turned into a sports team tribalism. They feel like they’re supposed to support nuclear because it’s science which kinda overlooks that PV is far cooler science, we need to look at reality and see we can have renewables now or the hope for a decent micellar ten or twenty years down the line, maybe.

HiddenLayer5 ,

It’s still better than the totally uncontained pollution and carbon dioxide of fossil fuels.

Quatity_Control ,

No. It’s kicking the can down the road. And when there is a real, viable, cleaner, cheaper option already up and running, nuclear is simply not the answer.

eldain ,

And the non insurable nature of nuclear power besides its distant break even point is the reason only governments have ever build nuclear plants, or had to give huge guarantees. There are financial problems with nuclear, too.

Quatity_Control ,

Containing the radiation isn’t the same as resolving the nuclear waste problem.

steakmeout , in Don't chicken out bro

Why are these memes so shit?

bigboopballs ,
@bigboopballs@hexbear.net avatar

It’s like there’s bots reposting Facebook “memes” automatically

WoodenBleachers ,
@WoodenBleachers@lemmy.basedcount.com avatar

At least they’re here honestly. The content drought was so much worse

ApathyTree , in Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I just say “it’s personal, and I won’t be discussing it.” If they don’t want to hire me because of it, I don’t want to work there anyway.

It’s absolutely none of their business what I was doing, especially that I went into a deep depression after my mom died and my live-in ex cheated on me while I was caring for her, and then spent a couple years selling her non-sentimental possessions to live off. And I’m not willing to make up some bullshit to hide it either, it happened and I’m not ashamed of it, but I’m not sharing it with interviewers. Meh meh.

JTheDoc ,

Good on you man. It’s critical to work somewhere that respects people for their skills and work ethic. Not arbitrary expectations.

Similar situation myself.

Some places will understand. Many don’t. I’ll be either brutally honest in a interview or I’ll set those boundaries.

some_guy ,

Wow, tough situation. Glad you got through it.

I tried to found a startup with a buddy. He had a great idea, but it turned out that he didn’t have the technical chops to fulfill his end. Bummed around after that on money and stocks from my previous gig. When I finally tried to get a job again, I couldn’t get a callback to save my life.

I kept moving down the food chain all the way to regular physical labor. I couldn’t even get a job at a vet or grocery store. Having major tech employment on my resume meant they knew I’d bounce the second I had the opportunity. It was a toxic dilemma resume: too high of a former position to qualify for something like retail, too long without a job to qualify for other office jobs.

I got back on top through a temp gig. Having recent employment got other tech employers to actually consider me again, and I’ve been ok since. I never would have imagined what that gap could do to make me impossible to hire.

ApathyTree ,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Unfortunately this all happened in my early 20s, I went to college after, but there’s still a big gap that can’t be explained by school alone (and it’s a gap because I had military service prior to that which I always list)

I got stuck on the tempy-go-round (only able to find contracts due to gaps, and too many contracts to land a permanent job - several employers asked why I prefer contracts… I don’t, it’s all I could get… but that answer is it’s own can of worms…). I finally found a permanent job and realized I spent so much time on contracts that I can’t do the same thing day in day out for more than a year without driving myself bonkers. Ultimate catch-22.

So I’m going back to contracts. However, not entry level desperation contracts, ones actually using my degree. Covid remote work was an absolute silver lining for my field - used to be impossible to find positions, now they are there and pay super well (6 mths to make what I make in a year now), but mostly contract.

BirdyBoogleBop , in Great deal ngl

Well I’m glad Hexbears have stopped spamming pig testicles at least. But. First impressions mean a lot and they did not make a good one.

Alaskaball ,
@Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

The people who got PBBd deserved every one of them.

FaeDrifter ,

What about the sexual harassment?

OprahsedCreature , (edited )

Someone forgot to remove their dog’s testicles once. It was a very harassing experience. Then I walked through the woods and saw a deer. It turned away and proceeded to harass me. Then I saw a pig and he said:

image

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Nice false equivalence!

Got any more brain dead arguements to share?

OprahsedCreature ,

Actually I’ve got an argument that I think you’ll really appreciate:

image

mycorrhiza ,

Can you give an example?

FaeDrifter ,

I actually just dm’d you with the post earlier, check your messages.

mycorrhiza ,

I just saw it, you sent me this link:

hexbear.net/post/613387

which contains a screenshot of this comment:

lemm.ee/comment/3622601

where /u/randint complains that hexbear admin /u/TomboyShulk dismissed his complaints about three other comments, which he then links to.

The three comments are all from the same 22 day old thread, and his engagement with the thread starts here:

hexbear.net/comment/3829077

There are two pieces of context I think ought to be mentioned:

  • “post hog” and other “post your dick” variants are a canned /r/ChapoTrapHouse response against any user who seems like an unusually odious or bad faith wrecker or reactionary, like a rebuttal to 4chan’s “tits or gtfo”. It started when a neo-nazi went on CTH to spout race science but was mocked into posting his dick, which defused the guy completely; at the time, the subreddit was getting a lot of people like that, and “post hog” became one of the go-to responses because it was low-effort and it shut them down. It bewildered and frustrated people who were there say awful things or make users feel unsafe.
  • /u/randint has been on a crusade against hexbear for fucking weeks. He goes out of his way to stir shit and has explicitly admitted that his aim is to make the site look bad. Increasingly frustrated hexbears pointed out his bad faith engagement in the thread I linked. He goes about it in a bloodless, polite-sounding way, but he’s not there with good intentions. Only at the very end of the thread, deep in the exchange, did anyone give him the canned response, and it made him leave.
FaeDrifter ,

Ok, the deep lore of “post your hog” makes sense, and I honestly don’t think I can argue against sexually harassing a literal Neo-Nazi. Let the kid gloves come off.

But it is straight up sexual harassment. Yeah, it shuts people down quickly and easily, that’s literally what sexual harassment was designed for. And it’s not being reserved for Nazis, it’s being used liberally and the community and moderators foster an atmosphere that encourages sexual harassment of outsiders.

And to be fair, I see there’s outside actors acting in bad faith. But sexual harassment is either okay in a community, or it isn’t. You can’t blame a pro-sexual-harassment environment on a bad faith outside actor. And when sexual harassment has been normalized, how much space do you really have to complain about other people being bad faith actors?

The really terrible thing is that I don’t think Hexbear is even capable of having a good faith discussion about sexual harassment, with itself. If anyone was to point out the issue, the mods and most prolific posters would not be able to take it seriously and nothing would change.

In unixporn someone brought to light that the traditional term “ricing” had racist origins, and there was a little pushback, but by and large the community accepted that the term will be removed and banned. The community learned, and changed.

I have 0% expectation that Hexbear community is capable of listening, or changing.

mycorrhiza ,

i think it’s a fucking massive leap to characterize hexbear as a “pro-sexual harassment” environment. You can argue that they are overzealous in who they consider nazis sometimes, but multiple hexbears earlier in the thread did call /u/randint a nazi apologist for defending Adrien Zenz, so it’s clear they considered him a fair target. Hexbear users see hog posting as punching upward at privileged bullies and reactionaries they are powerless against in real life. You can dispute that view, you might even consider them delusional or self-indulgent, but I think it’s an enormous leap to conclude that they are generally in favor of sexual harassment of people.

FaeDrifter ,

I got dozens of people telling my to post my dick because I said that neopronouns are stupid.

I wouldn’t consider myself a Nazi, I’m extremely anti-Nazi. I’m very involved in trans activism in real life. I’m in management - I changed schedule posting so that it includes pronouns. I ordered give out free pronoun pins (I wear one too). I correct people and guests when they misgender someone. I’ve been to marches and I’ve donated to events. I have a lil trans flag in my window. Real life trans safety and inclusion is important to me. (And why I’m off put when a Hexbear confuses all people with penises as automatically being “men”) I’m not making these up to try to look a certain kind of way, this is all verifiably real and I can get you the pictures and receipts if you need them.

Maybe I’m not pronoun progressive enough yet and I’ll change my mind later. I still think neopronouns are stupid, and only part of chronic online-ness. I’m willing to consider that I might still be in the wrong here.

But if you sexually harass someone and get 100 upvotes, you’re punching down.

If the mods delete any posts and ban users who call out sexual harassment, you’re punching down.

What I see is people who probably don’t stand up to bullies in real life, they turn into bullies when they’re the big fish in a little pond.

mycorrhiza ,

You called them unhinged for having neo pronouns. People have been attacking them for years, they expect a fight, and if you come in and fucking mock their pronouns and talk down to them they’re not gonna care enough to find out about your real world stances or activism, they’re just going to look at the comment right in front of them, and assume you’re some bigoted CNN lib who pays performative lip service to genderqueer rights but sees them as goofy caricatures and has no interest in understanding them. They get enough people like that already. If they took the time to investigate and understand and categorize everyone who threw shit at them it’d be a fucking full time job.

FaeDrifter ,

You called them unhinged for having neo pronouns

No I didn’t, now that’s a gross misrepresentation.

I said it was unhinged that I was being told that I was literally Hitler because I think neopronouns are silly.

If you think everyone who finds neopronouns impractical for real life is a Nazi, that sounds pretty unhinged, I still feel that way.

some bigoted CNN lib who pays performative lip service to genderqueer rights

Pfff, yeah when in that same post Hexbears couldn’t tell the difference between a man and a person with a penis.

If they took the time to investigate and understand and categorize everyone who threw shit at them it’d be a fucking full time job.

Well I guess that’s the way you justify sexual harassment.

mycorrhiza , (edited )

The conversation has gone stale while I’ve been swamped with work, but I’m going to respond anyway.


Looking back at the modlog, what you actually said was that their pronouns “look like an alt-right satire of pronouns” and that anyone using those pronouns must be a “basement dweller.” And people with those pronoun tags were right there reading your comments. Why the fuck would you do that? I actually got mad reading it. Whatever your motivations, you walked in and made it very clear you had no respect for people’s pronoun tags and no interest in understanding them, right to their faces.

At one point you compared neopronoun tags to being trans-species, whatever the fuck that meant

You also seemed dismissive throughout the thread, on every topic that came up, which was frustrating to read because first you made all these assumptions about people and then you showed so little interest in what they were actually saying! The one exception was maybe when you asked for a source on Cuba — but did you even expect to get one? What is just rhetorical? Maybe you got banned before you could respond, I don’t fucking know. Did you even click on the information you asked for? In 2022 Cubans themselves democratically drafted the country’s new progressive family code in over 80,000 citizen councils around the island. Hormones and gender-affirming surgery have been free since 2008. I think this is interesting information that you might want to know. People also brought up trends in state regulation of farming around the world, neocolonial cash crop economics, Iraqi food imports and exports, IMF policies toward food exporters in the global south, the British planned economy during WW2, Chinese agribusiness and farming co-ops, soil exhaustion, and grammatical gender, and you seemed to show zero interest in any of it. You responded to these comments with paper-thin truisms about liberal values and basically tuned everyone out, called people misinformation trolls, and somehow managed to conclude that all the people in that thread were fucking nazis pretending to be queer communists for three years with no audience on a defederated site.

And for the most part, the worst thing anyone called you was “liberal,” except for one trans user who called you a fascist and told you to post hog after you said the trans-species thing — probably because it kinda sounded like one of those right wing “gay marriage today, bestiality tomorrow” talking points.

Reading that thread, yeah I understand why they were mad.

For the record, on hexbear, pronoun tags are not only a list of “things you can call me” but also a casual way for some users to communicate their identity and personality. Having two pronoun slots and an extended set of options not only allows for more flexibility in conversation (like them vs comrade) but also more granular self-expression, which is nice when you can’t fucking see or hear each other. In practice, the default thing people call each other is “they/them.” Someone with “love/loves” as their pronoun tag isn’t gonna get mad at you if you call them “them.” It’s the sort of thing you pick up on if you take the time to actually understand the site culture.

There’s not much more frustrating in conversation than when someone has their mind made up about you incorrectly and superficially, and they’re not interested in understanding who you actually are or what you believe or why you believe it. Maybe you were just bewildered by unfamiliar takes and you shut down a little. I don’t fucking know.

FaeDrifter ,

I definitely forgot all what I said, and I regret being that much of a dick. I did read the sources on Cuba and by that point I think I was banned, because I was trying to thank the person who posted it for me.

I think that if I’m dishing it out to people, I should be prepared to take it from them too. It’s a bit late to go back, but for anyone who confronts me about it, I will humble myself and apologize for my remarks about the pronouns. And for what it’s worth, I apologize to you for my pronoun comments. People deserve to feel safe in their gender identity,

that their pronouns “look like an alt-right satire of pronouns”

Not excusing what I said, but to explain, this is after several days of seeing a bunch of - completely new to me accounts - who happen to have double and neo pronoun sets, act a certain type of way. I might have never even really noticed the pronouns if it wasn’t for their 4chan-esque behavior first. I very quickly began to mentally associate 4chan behavior to people who have double and neo pronoun sets.

And there were occasional good things - I learned that a common term for desktop theming had racist origins, and now I know better than to use that term. But even in that same thread there was another trying to race bait the very people who were trying to be better.

So there are hexbears trolling, race baiting, and defending Russia (which is a whole conversation) - regardless the end result is comments that would be identical to the alt-right. So I see alt-right clone comments coming from people with double sets of neo-pronouns, and I made a bad and wrong assumption.

The biggest mystery is still why hexbear seems collectively intent on making communists and progressives look so bad. Cuba offers many amazing examples of how progressive policies work well. Why choose to die on some alt-right hills, particularly when it comes to sexual harassment, fetishization of violence, race baiting, and Russia?

FaeDrifter , (edited )

And for the record, I didn’t come out swinging against neopronouns. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with neo-pronouns themselves.

What happened is that I saw a community who

  • sexually harasses people
  • fetishizes violence and executions
  • fears and mistrusts the media (to an extreme)
  • draws harsh in-group out-group lines
  • blurs the lines of their opinions with irony
  • "the West"

And I saw all that and double sets of pronouns including neopronouns, and I was like omg, it’s Nazis pretending to be leftists. They act like Nazis, who ran with the pronoun thing and took it to the highest level. (I know now they aren’t Nazi’s, but the behavior makes a really bad first impression)

The problem was never actually the neopronouns. It was the Nazi-like behavior that came attached.

mycorrhiza ,

And as for this comment,

  • fears and mistrusts the media (to an extreme)
  • “the West”

This is frustrating, because, while there’s a lot you don’t know, there are at least two instances you definitely do know about: the Nayirah testimony, and the Iraq WMDs reports. The wars and sanctions following those lies killed millions of people and displaced and immiserated millions more. There’s a term for this: manufacturing consent. Many other examples have never received the same degree of attention because America did not use them to justify major wars.

And yes, “the West.” Imperialism still exists, books and papers are written about this by serious people. Even in the thread where you were banned, people had already started to bring up details. Imperialism is a little better hidden than it used to be, but it’s still not that well hidden. Michael Hudson’s “Super Imperialism: The Economic Strategy of American Empire” is a good source.

They act like Nazis… the behavior makes a really bad first impression

nazis who were very intent on telling you about queer rights in Cuba and colonialism in the global south.

FaeDrifter ,

Being anti-American-imperialism is great, what’s suspect is the apparent Soviet ultra-nationalism, which somehow extends to Russia, so the same people who say they are against imperialism and in favor of gay rights end up supporting an imperialist, colonialist, and insanely homophobic empire.

And yes, lots of countries in the West do lots of very bad things. I think the vague, broad, all-encompassing term of “the West” is about creating an out-group boogieman man for the in-group to identify itself against. And that’s how you get people supporting a country that represents almost everything against their apparent values. Russia gets a pass for using homophobic conspiracy theories to justify a military invasion, because it’s “against the West”.

Michael Hudson’s “Super Imperialism: The Economic Strategy of American Empire” is a good source.

Thank you, I’m grabbing an audiobook version to listen to, I am interested in learning more.

BirdyBoogleBop ,

Every person who read the comments on a thread deserved it? The replies being public ruins that excuse.

I am assuming PBB is some acronym for pig bollocks.

Thordros ,
@Thordros@hexbear.net avatar

PPB is an acronym for Pig Poop Balls.

It is a gag dated back to the Dark Days of Reddit, where there were regular posts about, “Well, actually, homelessness is good in the free market pee pee poo poo I am very intelligent.”

As they were not engaging in good faith, we, too, chose not to engage in good faith. Thus, we sent them photos of a prize hog defecating on his own testicles. The tradition of sending PPB to bad faith actors carries on to the present day.

It is very funny.

FaeDrifter ,

No, you just use it against anyone who doesn’t immediately agree with you on everything, and now you are the bad faith actor, and you’ve made being a bad faith actor more important than genuinely helping any progressive causes.

Alaskaball ,
@Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

Ah you replied but the notification didn’t end up in my mailbox.

Here’s my answer:

PIGPOOPBALLS

TankieCatgirl ,
@TankieCatgirl@hexbear.net avatar

You’re acting like it’s gore or something. It’s literally just poop. Gross, maybe, but not really that offensive. Certainly not as disgusting as liberal takes on homelessness, bombing 3rd world countries, sacrificing lives for capitalism, etc.

And unlike those, a pig pooping on their own balls never hurt anyone.

PIGPOOPBALLS

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Their most obnoxious members really need to learn how to proselytize because they’re their own worst enemy.

You don’t lead with the crazy genocide denial, you lead with pointing out stuff like Churchill genociding 3 million Indians with the Bengal famine, or that South Korea was a fascist state before the Korean war.

Oh, look, so was Vietnam.

Oh, weird, so was etc etc etc etc

Astroturfed ,

South Korea only fascist before the war. Definitely wasn’t a fascist pseudo dictatorship until like what year is it?.. I think they’re still electing people related to the former dictators or in that weird cult shit. South Korea is like that super crazy cousin you have, that you forget about because their quiet and don’t call you very often.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

They were fascist until their President-For-Life type guy was assassinated by a member of the KCIA. He was definitely supported in some manner by the American CIA but just a couple years later Reagan would put a stop to all that “fighting fascism” business.

BurgerPunk ,
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

If you were more offended by PPBs than what the people we posted that in response to were saying then you deserved to be offended che-si

BirdyBoogleBop ,

You sent it to everyone who said anything you didn’t like day one of you federating. Lemmy.ml news and politics communities basically just became a toxic waste dump for a month and a half because hexbears thought people weren’t left enough, or thinking that Russia invading Ukraine was bad.

BurgerPunk ,
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

Then it was already a toxic waste dump. You just agreed with the opinions we were pushing back on

BirdyBoogleBop ,

By arguing in bad faith and throwing the baby with the bathwater.

BurgerPunk ,
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

Your principled critic

Our bad faith argument

shrug-outta-hecks you don’t agree with us. Don’t pretend like it’s anything different.

I don’t see how the baby bieng thrown out cliche applies. We see libs parroting bullshit we reply, there’s no baby to be thrown out when it comes to libs and their propaganda or brainworms

BirdyBoogleBop ,

Don’t know your specific beliefs but no in all liklihood I don’t agree with you. I don’t think I even remotely preteneded that. We probably agree on some things but I expect our over arching political beliefs are going to be at odds.

Just for my knowledge is a liberal anyone who isn’t a Marxist-leninist? Are Fascists Liberals under your definition?

BurgerPunk , (edited )
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

No, just liberals are liberals. People who ultimately support capital and liberal democracy. You don’t have to be ML. Hexbear is non-sectarian, but we expect internationalist, anti-capitalist, and supportive of intersectional struggle from people on the actual left.

Fascism is basically capital abandoning liberalism to defend itself from socialism. So, fascists arent liberals. But sometimes when they get scratched the fash does comes out. Ask the average lib about the homeless, or Roma for european libs.

If you care more about how we agrue than what we’re argueing about then you don’t agree with us on anything you wouldn’t abandon in a heartbeat

Facebones ,

But sometimes when they get scratched the fash does comes out.

My otherwise lib AF friends when I talk about less car centric infrastructure in a nutshell.

BurgerPunk ,
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

Carbrain turns libs people into frothingfash pretty fast.

To be fair, the infastructure in the US and consooom car culture really stacks the deck in favor of car derangement syndrome here

ElHexo ,

Literally the first paragraph

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Rent freeeeeeeee

YeetPics , (edited )
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

nice whataboutism!

of course we came in an acted like dickheads, we didn’t agree with your opinion

Petulant children, mentally and philosophically.

db2 , in I really need GameDevs to stop doing this

It only makes sense when the gold is given specifically for that purpose, if you skip the tutorial then you wouldn’t get it anyway. Basically makes it a free minor upgrade.

Selmafudd ,

Another common thing is the reward for completing the upgrade quest is the same amount of gold/resources back

blattrules , in android companies vs apple

I’d argue that all phone innovation has been pretty stagnant or even regressive lately. I think the only feature that’s been released by anyone lately that I’ve wanted my phone to have has been the magnet on the back to make mounts and wireless chargers less complicated. How it took these companies that long to put a magnet back there is beyond me. Then Apple “innovated” by removing the headphone jack so they could make more money selling wireless headphones after they bought Beats and for who knows what reason, all of the android phone makers eventually followed. I can see the use of a foldable screen, but I’m not buying one until it doesn’t add a permanent crease down the middle of my unfolded screen. If someone releases a privacy focused phone that’s not tied to Google with four years of guaranteed, timely updates, has a big enough screen with no notch, headphone jack, and magnet on the back they can have my money.

ryathal ,

Nobody put anything on the back because of wireless charging.

blattrules ,

The wireless magsafe charging works fine though.

DoomBot5 ,

As long as you avoid the charging coil, you’re fine. Magsafe is literally just Qi charging + magnetic ring.

blattrules ,

Yup, I don’t know why it took them so long to add magnets.

DoomBot5 ,

I could argue several reasons to avoid a folding phone. The crease isn’t one of them. Yes, I feel it while swiping across the screen, but it’s so unnoticeable while using the phone, it’s a non-issue.

  • Fold owner
blattrules ,

I didn’t realize that. All the display models I’ve seen have been off and it’s very prevalent. I’d also question the durability of the hinge (but I guess it’s not much different than a flip phone) and how the OS is set up to handle it.

jawsua ,

On display you’ve got it bashed by turbo bright florescent or LED retail lights, same as on review videos. In real life you just almost never have that environment, and almost never notice it.

The hinge is probably the most sturdy thing on the whole phone, more than the screen itself. If you’re around a lot of sand or pocket dust, maybe this isn’t the right phone or you need to be careful about cleaning the gaps regularly, but otherwise that’s not a problem

The OS let’s you run up to 5 apps simultaneously, split screen or floating, with two different navbars to call them up. It’s honestly the best multitasking on a mobile device period

They’re not the right device for everyone, but they’re much more ready for normal use than most people think

DoomBot5 ,

Oh for sure, turn off the display and the crease is right there. Now turn it back on, sure I can spot it still, but I’m looking for it. Start watching a YouTube video or use apps, you will forget it’s even there.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@kbin.social avatar

Mind elaborating on those reasons? I'm also a Fold owner and I love it more than any other phone I've ever owned. If there are cons that I'm missing, I'd like to know before I go buy another one of these in a year or two.

DoomBot5 ,

The Internal screen is fragile. It’s softer than finger nails, so need to be careful about it. The screen protector doesn’t last a year in most cases. The hinge can get debris in it that will start causing problems. It’s narrow, but it’s definitely a thick phone. It’s heavy too. Software is a hit or miss on what can handle the screen basically changing size and shape on it.

That being said, I can’t go back to using a normal phone. The large display is just too good to give up.

TheDarkKnight ,

Lol these are all just hallmarks of Samsung well established reputation of quality, it is the shittiest company in that regard. They are innovative though!

DoomBot5 ,

Honestly, between my work phone which is a Pixel 6 Pro, and my Fold, Samsung is superior in both hardware and software.

TheDarkKnight ,

I can see that for sure

BCsven ,

Essentials Phone was a promising innovator. Wireless USB magnetic interface on back. They released a 360 camera and a digital anolog jack…then then bankrupcy

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