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sentient_loom , in Crypt force one.
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

I would vote for the cryptkeeper. He’s the only one with better banter than Trump.

ours ,

He would… kill it during the debate.

Wild cackling

Entertainmeonly ,

His opponents would come… dead last.

Rascabin ,

Isn’t this a shot from Indiana Jones?

sentient_loom , (edited )
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

I stand by my statement.

I refuse to vote for Donovan. He’s a Nazi.

ChronosTriggerWarning ,

Not to mention he’s just shit at choosing.

Unforeseen ,

He chose… Poorly

ShimmeringKoi , in Crypt force one.
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

You have to vote for Genocide Joe to finish off the Palestinians and throw even more asylum seekers into concentration camps and send more missiles to Nazis, otherwise you’re a fascist or something.

ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Genocide Joe goes so fucking hard. It rolls off the tongue so well, I can’t stop saying it. Genocide Joe. Genocide Joe.

Lemmygradwontallowme ,
@Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net avatar

Jim Crow Joe…?

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

If’t hadn’t been for genocide Joe,
Palestine’d been free long time 'go.
Where’d you come from,
Why won’t you go?
Can y’draw a clock now, genocide Joe?

pezhore ,
@pezhore@lemmy.ml avatar

I mean at least Biden is a slow roll, Trump would rather nuke them.

Ferrous ,

This only logical conclusion to this naive utilitarianism is reaching a point 30 years from now when liberals will be frothing at the mouths in support of the dem candidate who wants 5 genocides as opposed to the republican who wants 10.

There is a legend about a certain species of caterpillar that can only cross the threshold of metamorphosis by seeing its future butterfly. Proletarian subjectivity does not evolve by incremental steps but requires non-linear leaps, especially moral self-recognition through solidarity with the struggle of a distant people, even when this contradicts short-term self-interest, as in the famous cases of Lancashire cotton workers’ enthusiasm for Lincoln and later for Gandhi. Socialism, in other words, requires non-utilitarian actors, whose ultimate motivations and values arise from structures of feeling that others would deem spiritual. Marx rightly scourged romantic humanism in the abstract, but his personal pantheon—Prometheus and Spartacus, Homer, Cervantes, and Shakespeare—affirmed a heroic vision of human possibility that no longer seems to have any purchase in our fallen world.

Mike Davis

roux ,
@roux@hexbear.net avatar

Both side should just compromise and go with 7.5 genocides.

Lemmygradwontallowme ,
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Ah, yes, I would like to get firebombed than nuked…

Surely, we have no other option…

ShimmeringKoi , (edited )
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If Isreal just wanted every Palestinian dead and nothing else, don’t you think they would have dropped their own nukes on October 8? Zionists have no interest in irradiating the manifest destiny prize they’re currently waging a doomed invasion to take.

ssm , (edited )
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

If I was on the receiving end of the genocide, I would rather just have a nuke end my people’s suffering than get slowly meat-grinder’d to death by the IDF; but that’s just me.

Also bonus points for irradiating the fascists in Israel.

ninjabard , in Crypt force one.

Funny since the other guy is running on an updated Nazi platform.

Aurenkin ,

But he’s a whole 3 years younger!

foggy ,

To the point I personally love to make…

Trump. Biden. George W. Bill Clinton.

Were all, at one point, simultaneously high school students. All born within 4 years of one another.

1992 - 2028. With the exception of Obama, all under the rule of one very, very narrow demographic.

sentient_loom ,
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That generation refuses to let go. It will be amazing if they swap Biden for Hillary.

zarkanian ,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Nobody wants Hillary to run. Not even Hillary.

mannycalavera ,
@mannycalavera@feddit.uk avatar

But it’s her turn!

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

they both do

yeahiknow3 ,

Found the Trump supporter.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

On what grounds? Hating Biden for being a liberal right winger propping up genocide does not make them a supporter of someone even more right wing.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Only if they refuse to vote for him to keep the even more right wing one out of office.

Cowbee ,
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Biden isn’t catering to Leftist voters. That doesn’t mean pointing out Biden and the DNC as right wingers is support for Trump.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t say it was. I said refusing to vote for him is, albeit passively. Hate Biden all you want, but keep the objectively far worse guy out of power at all costs.

Cowbee ,
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The original point was that pointing out that Biden is a right wing monster makes you a Trump Supporter, which is goofy.

samus12345 ,
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Yes, that is goofy. I don’t hate Biden as much as some, but I don’t particularly like him, either. Still voting for him or whoever else the Democrats dredge up to keep fascism at bay.

AnarchoBolshevik ,

Tut‐tut, I see that Clinton’s electoral failure in spite of winning the popular vote hasn’t moved somebody’s faith in the pseudodemocracy. Let’s briefly review the circumstances, shall we?

Starting with the national elections of 2000:

  • Democrats have received more popular votes in 4 out of the past 5 presidential elections, yet only gained office 2 times. Despite winning the popular vote only once in the past 5 elections, a Republican has taken office 3 times.
  • Democrats have received 24 million more votes for Senate than Republicans, yet have held a majority in the Senate in only 3 out of the last 9 sessions, while Republicans have had a majority in 4 out of the past 9 sessions.
  • Democrats have received over 500,000 more votes for seats in the House of Representatives, yet have held a majority in that body for only 3 out of the past 9 sessions, while Republicans have held a majority in 6 of those sessions.

(Source and more evidence here.)

Trust me, an overglorified public opinion poll isn’t going to stop neofascism should the ruling class deem its institutionalization necessary. The Fascists ascended to power in the Kingdom of Italy and the Weimar Republic in spite of their want of votes.

AntiOutsideAktion ,
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He’s not objectively far worse. He’s arguably slightly worse.

imnotfromkaliningrad ,
@imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml avatar

im literally a russian communist you liberast piece of biological waste

yeahiknow3 ,

So, Trump supporter.

ImplyingImplications ,

Seems like it should be really easy to find a democrate candidate who is both better than Biden and not a Nazi.

ours ,

And not having a foot in the grave would be nice.

yeahiknow3 ,

Why? Get him to pick an awesome VP and then kick the bucket. Sounds awesome.

IndiBrony ,
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To be fair, this is partly how I’ve been looking at it. In the event that power gets delegated to the VP, you want to know the right hand man isn’t an absolute crock of shit as well.

But surely even an old man suffering dementia is a better candidate than Trump.

Eldritch ,

They’re laying around all over the place. The thing is none of them want to run right now.

ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

This should make the democrat’s intentions very clear.

Snowclone ,

The sitting president is the leader of the party. He’s not going anywhere.

AntiOutsideAktion ,
@AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml avatar

One way or another he’s out of that office on Jan 20

Valmond ,

But he’s 3 y less old!!1!

ninjabard ,

And clearly takes better care of himself with all those hamberders and covfefe.

Snowclone ,

Seriously, the whole too old argument is a bulldog with rubber teeth. Trump’s a buffoon with or without cognitive decline.

Rubanski , in hip dog

Longe Boie

FooBarrington , in hip dog

Did that dog grow up in a wind tunnel, or did it go backwards through the pug machine?

moshtradamus666 , in Ooooobbbbyyy Ooooonnneee where are you?

The last panel is so funny lol

nickwitha_k , in Galaxybrain

I’ll keep correcting this when I see it. There was no Musk-owned, South African Apartheid emerald mine.

It was a mine in Zambia. A completely different exploited African nation. And Musk was only about to afford it because, as a wealthy white man in South Africa benefiting from Apartheid, he had a private plane that he traded for a share in the mine.

The “self-made” man got rich because of colonial exploitation in two African nations. Not just the one.

anachronist ,

“We were so poor we had to sell our private plane!”

Aria ,

You say “correct” but you’re not contradicting the meme. The reading that “apartheid South African” is referring to the man rather than the mine is to me more intuitive. Even if it wasn’t it would be a possible reading, so I don’t think you should say you’re correcting the meme.

nickwitha_k ,

To me, “apartheid South African emerald mine owner” appears to mean that the mine was in South Africa. It does have a bit of ambiguity. I think that it’s important to provide enough detail to make the scope of exploitation involved clear. Sometimes it can be simple, like “sweatshop” but, in this case, Musk has invested a lot of energy into his myth of a “self-made” man, especially in suppression of the origins of his wealth that it behooves use of done specificity to demonstrate how rotten even his origins were.

Aria ,

I support the desire to add context the fact you did add. My only concern is that your phrasing comes off as saying the meme is ahistorical or dramatised, when it’s probably just the phrasing.

nickwitha_k ,

You’re absolutely right. My wording is that way intentionally as a bit of a “hook”/humor. Not humor making light of human suffering but to make it bearable to discuss and draw attention to it.

Sternhammer ,
@Sternhammer@aussie.zone avatar

Still, the world’s most successful African American. /s

Mountain_Mike_420 , in Galaxybrain

I’ll take the downvotes. It’s both obviously. PayPal is dope and still going strong, Tesla single handedly made the electric car viable, spaceX brought reusable rockets a thing and internet connectivity to rural communities (me included).

I used to be a fanboy but now loathe the guy. It’s ok to hate but don’t downplay his contribution to society.

pedz ,

Paypal is not from Musk, and he was eventually ousted when he tried to rebrand it to X.

The company was originally established by Max Levchin, Peter Thiel, and Luke Nosek in December 1998 as Fieldlink, later it was renamed Confinity, a company which developed security software for hand-held devices. When it had no success with that business model, it switched its focus to a digital wallet.

In 2000, Musk had become CEO after the merger of his X.com and Confinity, the venture-backed company co-founded by Peter Thiel that owned the PayPal program that was a more popular money-transfer service than the one offered by Musk. The board ousted Musk as CEO and replaced him with Thiel in September 2000.

Tesla is also not of his own. He pretty much just bought an already working company.

He certainly made it his own over the years, investing early on and then overseeing its growth from niche luxury carmaker to mass production, adding on a solar business, and pushing self-driving technologies. However, the tech titan – and now the world’s richest man – was actually Tesla’s 4th CEO when he took that role in October 2008.

I have no idea about Space X, but Paypal and Tesla are absolutely not from Elon Musk. He just happened to cross roads with those companies and invest his emerald money in those.

If he contributed to those companies, it’s via money, not ideas and intellect.

Tartas1995 ,

SpaceX’s reusable rockets is from SpaceX if I understand it correctly but…

Obviously musk didn’t build the rocket or planned the rocket but that is not the point.

Nasa had plans for reusable rockets but for the longest time, the financial risk of development was higher than the value of reusable rockets. SpaceX didn’t care about the financial risk because they needed thousands of satellites for the most brain dead idea ever, starlink and because Elon is bad with money (Twitter…)

So SpaceX was “successful” because they were crazy enough to run 2 extremely dangerous projects.

PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

So SpaceX was “successful”

Also don’t forget government funds

Krause ,
@Krause@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I’ll take the downvotes.

very brave stance, redditor

Mountain_Mike_420 ,

Hey, that’s ex-redditor to you.

pedz ,

I already replied and I’m sorry if seem to insist but I want to add on the subject and myth of “Elon Musk being a genius” and “contributing to society”, and went over the part about internet, and electric cars in general.

I’m glad you can have internet in a rural area, really. However, doing it via a constellation of satellites instead of having a robust ground network is posing certain issues for the future.

The size and scale of the Starlink project concerns astronomers, who fear that the bright, orbiting objects will interfere with observations of the universe, as well as spaceflight safety experts who now see Starlink as the number one source of collision hazard in Earth’s orbit. In addition to that, some scientists worry that the amount of metal that will be burning up in Earth’s atmosphere as old satellites are deorbited could trigger unpredictable changes to the planet’s climate.

In a paper published in May 2021 in the journal Scientific Reports, Canadian researcher Aaron Boley said the aluminum the satellites are made of will produce aluminum oxide, also known as alumina, during burn-up. He warned that alumina is known to cause ozone depletion and could also alter the atmosphere’s ability to reflect heat.

Whole article here

So as much as this could be useful, it’s also polluting the skies at a very rapid rate, and we’re not sure about the future consequences of it. And depending on where you live, fast and reliable internet in rural areas is often the result of other capitalistic companies not deeming those places profitable enough, and poor governmental regulations on internet as an essential service. We shouldn’t have to launch thousands of satellites in the air for this. But because it’s more profitable this way…

As for electric cars. Call me cynical, and anti car, which I am, but I don’t think the goal is to be ecological. Not anymore. Maybe when the company started with their three first CEOs. But it seems clear to me that Musk used the electric part as an ecological argument for greenwashing and selling to people that want to be “green”.

Electric cars are not to save the climate. They are to save the automobile industry. They want to continue to sell cars because it makes a profit. Electric cars are still posing an ecological threat, are still polluting the environment because of particles from the tires, are still killing millions of animals and people every year, and are still wasting vast quantities of space for parking lots, which are often not permeable.

And of course, people in rural areas will need cars, even if I don’t like them. But most people live in cities and Musk seem to be deliberately trying to delay public transit projects by announcing always soon-to-be-revolutionary technology like the Hyper Loop that has ben watered down multiple times to end up as a glorified LED lit electric car tunnel. Or the FSD which is not “full” “self” “driving”.

Again, I don’t like cars, don’t like to drive, and don’t have one. So I once was excited to see how the robotaxi part of things would evolve. But it’s been many many years and it’s obvious that I won’t be going from a city to a rural area soon, using a robotaxi or a self-driving car. I still need a driver’s licence for FSD. And robotaxis that do exist won’t go very far outside a city.

Also, if Musk is all about the environment with Tesla, why is he now trying to court people on the other side of the political spectrum; the side that doesn’t care about this?

Yes, electric cars are part of the solution, but cities need more public transit and micro mobility, not more cars (but electric and self-driving)! I’m sorry to say but it’s a lot of greenwashing, empty promises, and personality cult. The contributions to society are, I think, exaggerated.

PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
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Wakmrow ,

He pretty famously was kicked from PayPal because he wanted to name it x.

half , in He is totally thinking of me

Surprisingly little discourse for a nearly 1:1 vote ratio lol

Fleur__ , in traumatized
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I feel like I click less of these now that I’m over 18

bruhduh , in Mother, I hunger
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MeatPilot , in traumatized
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workerONE , in traumatized

I’m 12 and what is this?

Persen ,

Something, that sounds like corn. Edit: well, what a corny joke. Ok, I’ll stop.

Mouselemming , in Galaxybrain

Emeralds on the soles of his shoes

MinusPi , in traumatized

My single biggest disappointment with Lemmy is that they didn’t fix the glaring NSFW/NSFL issue.

Andrew15_5 ,
@Andrew15_5@mander.xyz avatar

What do you mean?

Lightfire228 ,

NSFL (Not Safe For Life) typically means stuff like gruesome injuries, blood and gore, or possibly fatalities

Which is different from NSFW, because sometimes you want to hear a dirty joke, bit you could do without seeing the aftermath of a Meat Crayon

Andrew15_5 ,
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So the issue is that there is only NSFW label and no NSFL label?

Lightfire228 ,
Andrew15_5 ,
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OK, now I know. But I mean, it’s just not there yet: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/317. Everyone would have to wait for it.

Zoot ,
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Tags/Flair isn’t Nsfw/Nsfl. Tags could be tedious yes, but a seperate checkmark or a seperate toggle for simply NSFL should have been made from the get go.

Andrew15_5 ,
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Well, that can’t be changed now. People discuss NSFL in there, but I don’t know what will be the rustler of it. Maybe it will be NSFW + NSFL tag. You can always create a new issue demanding NSFL to be treated as a special tag.

Zoot ,
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Its not a tag. It’s an option. You can even filter out all nsfw posts already.

Andrew15_5 ,
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That’s my point. It still feels like a tag anyway, but a very special one. Option feels not very specific, so I used “special tag”.

Landless2029 ,

I thought NSFL stood for not safe for lunch.

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