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finley ,

it seems so innocent, lol

ExtremeDullard ,
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    KevonLooney ,

    Uh, Android is the alternative to Apple’s iOS. Android is much more customizable.

    Black616Angel ,

    Which is kinda sad in its own way.

    masterofn001 ,

    Think Different™ (But in the exact same way)

    MrSpArkle ,

    Think Different™ (Because we deprecated the service you liked and depended on because an internal team was jockeying for a higher position and rewrote what you loved but worse, so actually you are thinking different every year!)

    sunbeam60 ,

    Azure don’t give a shit what it runs. Windows is on its own these days; if they succeed, good for them, but honestly I think the days of Microsoft just pretending to give a shit about Linux are long gone; it’s an important OS to them too.

    I’ve worked for Microsoft for 12 years, still have lots of friends there so I get some of the vibe from that.

    1984 ,
    @1984@lemmy.today avatar

    Friends don’t let friends use windows man. :p

    LeFantome ,

    That’s what he said

    Builtin ,

    Putting Red hat in the same group as Google and Microsoft is wild.

    bizarroland ,

    That's because Red hat recently started doing some Microsoft and Google like shit.

    Ashiette ,

    It’s not that far fetched, Google used to have somehow the same philosophy as current IBM-RedHat.

    themoonisacheese ,
    @themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

    While Microsoft and Google merely pretend to like open source but transparently hate it, it is (was) not quite as obvious that red hat wanted to capture the enterprise Linux market wholesale. What red hat has done is terrible for the ecosystem, much more so than Microsoft just throwing out worthless tokens of appreciation.

    LeFantome ,

    You people are hilarious. Red Hat provides more GPL code than any company I can think of. Half of what people call GNU has Red Hat as the largest contributor.

    Feels before reals.

    bizarroland ,

    If you don't like what they are doing with Linux, because it is free and open source, participate in people that are using it in ways that you do like that they do it, or do it yourself.

    There is nothing stopping you

    1984 ,
    @1984@lemmy.today avatar

    He was 22 years old. Pretty incredible.

    neidu2 ,

    I for one really appreciate the effort of supporting non-AT drives despite the initial skepticism.

    ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

    I’m glad someone was able to donate a non-AT drive because Linus could not afford it :-(

    vu2tum ,

    “Just a hobby, won’t be big” - he really didn’t think it will be one of the most sought after projects.

    DontRedditMyLemmy ,

    Or wanted to appear non-threatening

    pelya ,

    Just look at those nested parentheses. A true sign of (pedantic) greatness, when a person needs to clarify something in their earlier clarification.

    30p87 ,

    I love it™ (The nested parentheses are one of the greatest tools known to mankind (And to all other creatures))

    Quetzalcutlass ,

    To paraphrase an old tweet: “parentheses - for when every thought comes with bonus sub-thoughts”.

    Homescool ,

    I always tell myself I am reading minds when I read inside parentheses

    ulterno ,
    @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    I have been stopping myself from using those and instead restructure my sentence. But if people like it, guess I can start keeping it.

    I do find it more useful, however, to have a kind of a reference to the thing written at the end instead [1], but markdown doesn’t seem to have anything for that, and using the syntax for Markdown references, is only useful for hyperlinks, or if the reader is willing to read the hover text [2](nolink "Like This. But even though I write "nolink", that is still some text that gets converted to a link, making it upto the reader to read the address bar and realise the problem").

    [1]: Like This. I would love it if the markdown viewer would link the above [1] to this line. Maybe with a scrolldown effect.

    MBM ,

    Lemmy’s markdown does actually have footnotes!^[they work like this: ^[text here]]

    pelya ,

    Eh, Lemmy Connect does not format it properly.

    sramder ,
    @sramder@lemmy.world avatar

    Checking in from Avelon 😉

    needanke ,

    Neither does Voyager (Wefwef) :(

    ulterno ,
    @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    And automatically numbered too! Nice.

    Though for me, instead of a scrolldown effect, it reloads the page on clicking the link. Trying a second time, it does the scrolldown properly. Weird
    But that’s just an implementation detail and as long as this is standard, I’ll just start using it.

    Thanks

    roguetrick ,

    Well ain’t that some shit. It would make my comments more readable to a degree^[not that I’d ever use it]. I also like how they have return links for when you have some monster text wall that nobody would ever read in the first place on this platform.

    user224 ,
    @user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I’ve had a teacher in elementary school scream at me for doing so. (Nesting parentheses is forbidden. [You are supposed to use brackets.])

    pelya ,

    It’s wild seeing square brackets for something other than array indexing.

    sramder ,
    @sramder@lemmy.world avatar

    I had a teacher that screamed at me for “taking the lords name in vain…” They’re definitely wrong from time-to-time ;-)

    ochi_chernye ,

    I had a science teacher that told us, “If you sneeze three times and nobody blesses you, the devil takes your soul!”

    It’s science.

    sramder ,
    @sramder@lemmy.world avatar

    Pretty sure I read that paper a few years back ;-)

    Matriks404 ,

    I once did double “parentheses” in speech when started doing streaming year ago, lol.

    abfarid ,
    @abfarid@startrek.website avatar

    Some of those parens could’ve been replaced with commas and retain their meaning (that’s what I do to avoid nesting, so that it doesn’t get confusing).

    Tlaloc_Temporal ,
    @Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca avatar

    Wait until you need nested commas, those lists won’t delineate themselves!

    EarthShipTechIntern ,

    You have command of English grammar, clearly.

    How’s your Finnish?

    abfarid ,
    @abfarid@startrek.website avatar

    Not as good as my other primary languages, I have to admit. Finnish has too many consonants for my taste.

    VindictiveJudge ,
    @VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

    Or he could have used brackets.

    abfarid ,
    @abfarid@startrek.website avatar

    I’ve never seen that being used, but it seems it’s a thing in English. What if you wanna best deeper? Do you go {}? Then <>? «»?

    someacnt_ ,

    Thought I was the only one noticed abundance of the parenthesis

    Skullgrid ,
    @Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

    that’s all I have :-(

    aww

    30p87 ,

    Poor Linus :c

    ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

    We should make a donation campaign, pretty sure somebody has a spare SATA drive around. This minix clone sounds good

    themoonisacheese ,
    @themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

    A few years ago there was a fantastic video detailing thorvald’s PC and it is a beast, crazy how far we’ve come

    davel ,
    @davel@lemmy.ml avatar

    There’s no guessing what will catch the world by storm. At a party once, Bram Cohen tried to get me interested in his ideas for a a peer-to-peer protocol, and I thought nothing of it.

    masterspace ,

    My cousin’s buddies asked him to build the website for their new ride hailing app but he didn’t feel like doing some rinky dink thing, apparently Travis and them took it in stride though.

    Lettuceeatlettuce ,
    @Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

    Truly humble beginnings.

    savvywolf ,
    @savvywolf@pawb.social avatar

    Ehh, it’ll never take off.

    Affidavit ,

    This somehow makes me feel both old and young at the same time.

    xilliah ,

    Congratulations you’ve just unlocked midlife crisis. You can now wear sunglasses inside and shop at camp david.

    LodeMike ,

    GNU is older than Linux? Neat.

    sramder ,
    @sramder@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah… but it was just RMS yelling at people from a street corner, nobody actually used it until Linux came along ;-)

    pelya ,

    I’m pretty sure Apple and Google already rewritten all important GNU parts into something with Apache or BSD license, to throw everything GPL licensed out of their embedded systems. The biggest and most important part was obviously GCC, replaced by Clang.

    How many GPL-licensed system libraries and tools are in Android right now, except for the kernel? I’m pretty sure the answer is zero.

    sramder ,
    @sramder@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, gotta’ love how all the Apple fanboys were like Bash? Meh’ zsh is the superior shell in the span of a day.

    I mean was the GPL viral… yeah probably. But it’s not like the courts came after either of them. Or ever really will in a meaningful way. Although hope springs eternal for non-webkit browsers in the not-EU 😌

    mariusafa ,

    Clang and the LLVM with BSD like licences so we can get the 80’s suing experience of UNIX yet again.

    It’s impressive how many people in the FOSS community hate GNU. Even to the point of creating OSes without GNU in it. Working for free for companies just to get their contributions stolen or expunged.

    Apple loves Open Source, they can stole it as they like, like they did with Darwin (a derivation of XNU). Everything is open until we no longer want to, and you don’t have any right to desist such actions. This sounds like a dream for them.

    Google loves Open Source, they can build an spyware, ad vending machine, DRM platform that is hosted in almost any IOT machine. This is Android.

    The community has to realize that if you care about your software you have to ENFORCE the freedom of it.

    The are entire projects just to liberate android from google. That’s is all fault of the open source licence.

    There are quite a lot of projects which exist to liberate software projects that have been taken hostage. This is no sense.

    Most of the IOT devices are presenting paywall features thanks to Android: cars, fridges, TVs, etc. What is next?

    netvor ,
    @netvor@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah. And I like how even from the message it shows that it’s been already well recognized by then.

    If I recall correctly from some RMS’ talks I’ve seen many years ago, they’ve been working on it for years before, it’s just the kernel that was missing. As I see it, GNU and Linux was the breakthrough for FLOSS, since at that time you would still have to use a proprietary kernel. (Well, there’s GNU Hurd, but I’m not sure if it existed at that time, and even if it did, it was not ready.)

    Hadriscus ,

    Has he come up with a name yet ?

    thingsiplay ,

    Freax

    ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

    It’s a minix clone, so… mimix?

    neidu2 ,

    I actually like that name, but it might be too close to the original for trademark comfort.

    sramder ,
    @sramder@lemmy.world avatar

    I love it, totally should have gone with that.

    “This is Linus Torvalds introducing minix as Linux.”

    HairyHarry ,

    How about lUnix?

    WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

    Freax.

    thingsiplay ,

    (just a hobby, won’t be big and professional like gnu)

    Aged like fine milk. Looking at you, GNU Hurd.

    737 ,

    not really, gnu is still a big professional project

    Hupf ,
    @Hupf@feddit.org avatar

    GNU, or as I’d like to call it, GNU+PTerry

    mariusafa ,

    GNU Hurd didn’t take a good path of development following MACH design. But I still think GNU Hurd is the kernel of the future. Probably the Next generation Hurd. Just because GNU MACH and Hurd present very convoluted designs.

    A kernel that performs most of their activities in user space and that it is truly modular looks very promising for the kind of systems we have nowadays and in the future.

    Someone has to make the change, or we will stagnate in cumbersome and up featured systems.

    ikidd ,
    @ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m pretty sure the eventual conversion of every atom in the universe to computronium will run Linux.

    Grandwolf319 ,

    I’m OOTL, what’s the backstory here?

    thesporkeffect ,

    Linux

    Grandwolf319 ,

    What was minix then? A non FOSS version?

    ABasilPlant ,

    www.linuxjournal.com/article/10754

    MINIX originally was developed in 1987 by Andrew S. Tanenbaum as a teaching tool for his textbook Operating Systems Design and Implementation. Today, it is a text-oriented operating system with a kernel of less than 6,000 lines of code. MINIX’s largest claim to fame is as an example of a microkernel, in which each device driver runs as an isolated user-mode process—a structure that not only increases security but also reliability, because it means a bug in a driver cannot bring down the entire system.

    In its heyday during the early 1990s, MINIX was popular among hobbyists and developers because of its inexpensive proprietary license. However, by the time it was licensed under a BSD-style license in 2000, MINIX had been overshadowed by other free-licensed operating systems.

    Today, MINIX is best known as a footnote in GNU/Linux history. It inspired Linus Torvalds to develop Linux, and some of his early work was written on MINIX. Probably too, Torvalds’ early decision to support the MINIX filesystem is responsible for the Linux kernel’s support of almost every filesystem imaginable.

    Later, Torvalds and Tanenbaum had a frank e-mail debate about the relative merits of macrokernels (sic) and microkernels. This early history resurfaced in 2004 when Kenneth Brown of the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution prepared a book alleging that Torvalds borrowed code from MINIX—a charge that Tanenbaum, among others, so comprehensively debunked, and the book was never actually published (see Resources).

    See also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum–Torvalds_debate

    zarkanian ,
    @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

    What was minix then? A non FOSS version?

    It wasn’t FOSS, but then neither was Linux originally.

    IsoKiero ,

    That kind of depends on how you define FOSS. The way we think of that today was in very early stages back in the 1991 and the orignal source was distributed as free, both as in speech and as in beer, but commercial use was prohibited, so it doesn’t strictly speaking qualify as FOSS (like we understand it today). About a year later Linux was released under GPL and the rest is history.

    Public domain code, academic world with any source code and things like that predate both Linux and GNU by a few decades and even the Free Software Foundation came 5-6 years before Linux, but the Linux itself has been pretty much as free as it is today from the start. GPL, GNU, FSF and all the things Stallman created or was a part of (regardless of his conflicting personality) just created a set of rules on how to play this game, pretty much before any game or rules for it existed.

    Minix was a commercial thing from the start, Linux wasn’t, and things just refined on the way. You are of course correct that the first release of Linux wasn’t strictly speaking FOSS, but the whole ‘FOSS’ mentality and rules for it wasn’t really a thing either back then.

    There’s of course adacemic debate to have for days on which came first and what rules whoever did obey and what release counts as FOSS or not, but for all intents and purposes, Linux was free software from the start and the competition was not.

    LeFantome ,

    Agree with you up until “the competition was not”.

    GNU HURD was competition for one thing.

    More importantly, so was BSD. BSD predates Linux ( though its distribution specifically as FreeBSD does not ).

    IsoKiero ,

    I’ve read Linus’s book several years ago, and based on that flimsy knowledge on back of my head, I don’t think Linus was really competing with anyone at the time. Hurd was around, but it’s still coming soon™ to widespread use and things with AT&T and BSD were “a bit” complex at the time.

    BSD obviously has brought a ton of stuff on the table which Linux greatly benefited from and their stance on FOSS shouldn’t go without appreciation, but assuming my history knowledge isn’t too badly flawed, BSD and Linux weren’t straight competitors, but they started to gain traction (regardless of a lot longer history with BSD) around the same time and they grew stronger together instead of competing with eachother.

    A ton of us owes our current corporate lifes to the people who built the stepping stones before us, and Linus is no different. Obviously I personally owe Linus a ton for enabling my current status at the office, but the whole thing wouldn’t been possible without people coming before him. RMS and GNU movement plays a big part of that, but equally big part is played by a ton of other people.

    I’m not an expert by any stretch on history of Linux/Unix, but I’m glad that the people preceding my career did what they did. Covering all the bases on the topic would require a ton more than I can spit out on a platform like this, I’m just happy that we have the FOSS movement at all instead of everything being a walled garden today.

    zarkanian ,
    @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I read a biography of Stallman several years ago. The whole free software movement was an attempt to preserve the early hacker culture where everybody freely swapped code. So, Stallman didn’t really “invent” FOSS; he just codified that early hacker ethos.

    netvor , (edited )
    @netvor@lemmy.world avatar

    Funny how he made it basically for his desktop computer.

    33 years later, and Linux is dominating in every part of the OS world except … the desktop.

    (I’m paraphrasing his quote – he said something like this years ago, can’t find it, though.)

    AccountMaker ,

    You might be thinking of this:

    youtu.be/ZPUk1yNVeEI?feature=shared

    Where he mentioned that the desktop is unique in that it has to support thousands of different devices for all kinds of people, and that most people don’t really care what their computer is running as long as it works.

    psycho_driver ,

    I would argue that it does dominate the desktop now as well, just not by usage numbers.

    If I was told I had to use a windows desktop these days at home I think I’d start investing in a very large book collection.

    CaptPretentious ,

    You have to use a Windows desktop at home.

    Sincerely,

    Barnes & Noble

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