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FelixCress ,

Someone clearly doesn’t understand how much it used to cost to travel by plane 50 years ago.

PP_BOY_ ,
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No kidding

For the OP of this meme, you know you can still pay for food services on flights today, right?

jaybone ,

Yeah but it sucks.

Rinox ,

If you want you can go first class you know. It’s more or less as much as it was in the 50s and you get possibly even more luxury. Just be ready to pay 5k instead of a hundred bucks

EleventhHour ,
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Ehh…

The bottom line

Proportionally (inflation considered), flights are much cheaper now than they were 50 years ago. Consequently, flying is a more accessible mode of transport for many and has resulted in the soaring popularity of air travel, which began after deregulation. However, despite the cost drop, the base cost of flying has increased as airlines operate small profit margins and seek to remain competitive.

Wogi ,

Also this image is bullshit

Tray tables are about half that size now.

morrowind ,
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Not on longer flights. It doesn’t benefit airlines much to make smaller tray tables

deranger ,

Save on weight means save on gas. Multiply that by thousands of flights and it adds up. United printed their in flight magazines on lighter paper and saved hundreds of thousands of dollars, just by using thinner paper.

They only eliminated 5kg per 737, but that added up to $290k savings.

If anything I think it’d be even more effective on longer flights as those jets spend more time in cruise vs short haul airliners.

By using lighter paper to print their in-flight magazine, Hemisphere, United Airlines saves up to 170,000 gallons of fuel, which cuts about $290,000 in annual fuel costs.

One magazine is now one 29 g lighter and weights 195 g which will make a usual 737 plane that carries 179 passengers 5 kg lighter on average.

kiwi.com/…/united-prints-lighter-magazine-saves-1…

morrowind ,
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United makes 50B in revenue a year. I’m guessing that stunt gave them more value in marketing than actual savings.

MotoAsh ,

You clearly do not understand basic math nor how rampant greed in capitalism works. Sad.

If it saves them money, they WILL do it. (or even appears to save money)

Or do you think Scrooge types aren’t literally known for penny-pinching when they’re already rich and wouldn’t even notice the pennies going missing?

slaacaa ,

Good example, aviation is probably the most penny-fucking business in the planet, it’s a life and death fight between the companies, trying to keep costs low.

ryathal ,

It’s a good pr thing, but they probably saved more money by using lower quality paper than the saved fuel.

Wogi ,

I suppose I don’t take many long flights and I don’t recall how much space I had on the last long flight I had.

Typically on my domestic flights I have a tray table that won’t fit my switch if I want to stand it up.

return2ozma OP ,
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It’s a shit post

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Life’s been tough since Biden dropped out, hey?

jaybone ,

But back then the price was regulated so they had to compete on service.

That might have been more that 50 years now.

VelvetStorm ,

It was like 135 bucks for the cheapest unrestricted ticket in the usa in 1975, which comes out to around 814 bucks today. Where as I can buy a round-trip ticket right now for 220, which is the equivalent of 38 bucks in 1975.

And to really put that into perspective, an average house in 1975 cost 39k, and if you take out a 20-year lone with 9% interest, you are looking at 193 bucks per month for your rent. So a single plane ticket in 1975 was 69% of the average monthly rent for a house.

Idk why I did all this, but my adhd told me I had to.

MonkderVierte ,

Would probably be better if it still was. Less people would fly.

aidan ,

Not everyone’s situtation is yours. There are millions of people living continents away from their family to earn money to support them.

GBU_28 ,

Stupid. The cost for flights then was more like beyond first class prices now.

dtrain ,

Stupid. The cost for flights then was more like beyond first class prices now.

And a lot more smoky.

tpihkal ,

Don’t like the smoke? Then sit on the other side of the aisle in the non-smoking section.

abcd ,

This reminded me of that one flight as a kid, when I was seated in a row with two smokers. I literally couldn’t breathe. I’m happy that my kids don’t have to experience shit like this.

capt_wolf ,
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So I remember taking a flight 10 years ago and they gave us pretzel pieces from snyders. I thought, great, we don’t even get whole pretzels…

Next flight, they give us generic “trail mix” in clear bags. The kind the old folks down the street would give out at Halloween because it was “healthy.” but that contained approximately 2 pretzels the size of quarters, 3 peanuts, 3 generic m&ms, and 2 raisins…

It gave me the impression that airlines are like schools, where the flight staff are the ones bringing in the snacks because the airline is too cheap to supply them.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fba7344c-350c-49c2-9c0f-f362160ef8b8.jpeg

doingthestuff ,

My teacher friends live in big houses and travel all over the world but you know whatever. I don’t.

MotoAsh ,

Liar.

aidan ,

My grandparents were both teachers and are rich. Granted one was a professor, but the other a public school teacher.

MotoAsh ,

In any case, anecdotes do not and cannot disprove the actual statistics.

Also, if you live in a country that actually respects intelligence, I’d HOPE your teachers are actually paid well. Sadly, the US despises intelligence right now…

aidan ,

In dying rural areas in the US teachers are generally some of the best paid. Its mostly in cities where their pay lags. But no, they live in the US in LA(CA, not the state). Also, FYI just because I live in one country doesn’t mean its the same my grandparents live in.

MotoAsh ,

Ahh yes, California, a state that pays more, AND in LA, where wages are WAY higher because cost of living is way higher…

Thank you for describing why your anecdote is an outlier and DEFINITELY doesn’t prove any norm.

aidan ,

Thank you for describing why your anecdote is an outlier and DEFINITELY doesn’t prove any norm.

Where did I say it was the norm??? You called someone a liar for giving an anecdote. Outliers do happen…

MotoAsh ,

They’re a liar for attempting to use an anecdote to disprove a trend. That’s basic, basic manipulation tactics. Manipulation is wrong, misleading, and arguably lying when misusing data.

aidan ,

They never said anything about a trend. They said not all teachers are poor. That doesn’t mean they were disagreeing that teachers tend to be underpaid.

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    MotoAsh ,

    No thanks, you’re probably terrible in bed.

    hemko ,

    Eh, if you’re looking for the cheapest ticket available you can’t really expect luxury. Airlines are competing with prices, so all luxury goes off the window like a passenger on a Boeing flight

    rand_alpha19 ,

    Look at Mr. Moneybags over here, getting a drink that's not water.

    edinbruh ,

    Look at you, flying on rich planes with that much space in front of you

    qjkxbmwvz ,

    It can be extremely luxurious if you pay.

    I’d rather get to my destination with my wallet still in tact, but you do you.

    roboto ,

    You guys get snacks?

    With Ryanair I’m thankful that they have to offer a seat.

    doingthestuff ,

    There’s no snacks. Maybe a mini bag of pretzels if the flight is over 5 hrs long.

    roboto ,

    And you get that for free? That’s wild! I really mean that I’m happy Ryanair has to offer me a seat

    Agent641 ,

    Y’all know you’re allowed to bring your own food right?

    roboto ,

    But I want to pay 3,50€ for a bottle of water and 10€ for horse meat lasagna

    doingthestuff ,

    Not drinks though. Man, that time our whole family of five got detained for an hour and given the bomb sniffing treatment because my wife brought a tube of baby butt cream that was a 1/4 ounce too big

    Aceticon ,

    With Ryanair you have to pay extra for the air stewardess not to spit on your face or insult you on the way in.

    (I might be exaggerating)

    (But not by much)

    roboto ,

    That’s the only service I would happily pay extra for but they do it for free

    Omgboom ,

    In the ‘golden age’ of air travel, flying was exclusive and relatively luxurious because it was so expensive; the average cost for a roundtrip ticket from Dallas Fort-Worth would cost around $48. While that seems affordable today, a $48 ticket in 1963 converts to about $467 in 2022 with inflation.

    Yeah it was so expensive guys

    Clinicallydepressedpoochie , (edited )

    We are too reliant on air travel as it is. With the advent of the internet we should reduce air travel down to permitted leisure/visiting family and migration. Businesses should be able to video confernce most transactions. The situations where you absolutely need on site representation can be reduced drastically.

    That is, if you took climate change seriously.

    Xanis ,

    HA. So look, I do agree. Problem is businesses don’t care, even if we do. If you figure out a way to stop management across way too many professions from holding hour long meetings to talk about some data point that has so significance to what is actually happening, and those “leaders” who call meetings early to get the team together, when the whole damn thing could be in an email…yeah man, when you solve that, I’ll work with you to solve the rest.

    Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

    Ok, but like I’m not going to solve it. It’s not also going to be solved today. I’m just saying you want to gripe about your shitty airplane experience like we need to make it a luxury resort when really we need to stop pumping carbon into the atmosphere.

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    Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

    Lol. “The environment can suck my big fat cock. I need to go to Jamaica, NOW!”

    Thanks for the laugh.

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    Clinicallydepressedpoochie , (edited )

    I do have a selfish reason; and it’s not because I don’t vacation. It’s I travel for work and that shit is exhausting. Anyway, you’re acting like you care so go and give this a read and leave me alone you dope.

    bbc.com/…/20200218-climate-change-how-to-cut-your…

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    Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

    Using the r word in 2024. Someone I really want to interact with.

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    piccolo ,

    Sir… i think thats your brain youre looking at.

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    piccolo ,

    If you had a brain, youd had a better comeback than lame vulgar insults.

    Allonzee ,

    Wait till accelerating climate change makes leisure flights a thing of the past in the next decade or so, along with tame weather and dependable agriculture.

    Our species is done, thanks to mindsets like yours.

    arstechnica.com/…/the-climate-is-changing-so-fast…

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    Zink ,

    a thing of the past for poor people, anyway.

    Allonzee ,

    We were too conservative in our estimates and other accelerating factors, like loss of the reflectivity of our arctic regions, have entered the game.

    This stuff doesn’t go away on any human perceived timeframe even if we stopped entirely. Our beloved capitalists will be able protect themselves for a couple more decades beyond us peasants, but their luxury bunkers with ironically self-sustaining agricultural sections will effectively become the tombs of the families most responsible.

    We were just smart enough to make technologies that helped us today and doomed us tomorrow, and still too bone dead stupid not to stop/drastically reduce using them upon discovering the consequences of their use.

    🔥🤷🔥

    yemmly ,

    Rowboats my friend. Rowboats.

    Cowbee ,
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    Plus, high-speed rail is better for the environment.

    suction ,

    Not having to do unnecessary travel at all beats every transportation mode…

    Cowbee ,
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    Yes, and necessary travel doesn’t need to be via car or plane.

    aidan ,

    Businesses should be able to video confernce most transactions.

    Almost everyone who travels a lot for work wants this too.

    HowManyNimons ,

    Cheaper innit.

    Tja ,

    Succinct

    psycho_driver ,

    Yeah but at least the quality of service has went from smiling attractive courteous flight attendants to snarling aisle donkeys.

    Duke_Nukem_1990 ,

    Talking about service workers like that is 🚩🚩🚩

    KoalaUnknown ,

    And the “free” pretzels are also sponsored with an ad on the packaging.

    AFC1886VCC ,

    Don’t forget that enshittification creeps into the real world as well

    Blackmist ,

    Good old airlines and their ideal business model:

    Charge you like you’re flying on Concorde.

    Treat you like you’re on a 16th century slaving ship.

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