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coolteathatisblue ,

One word: “Greed”

drunkpostdisaster ,

Ship travel in the age of sail was more accommodating. At least you can walk around and shit.

roguetrick ,

Only up on the poop deck though.

Abnorc ,

It takes so much longer though. I don’t think I’d prefer the travel time of a ship over the sea over the temporary discomfort of a flight.

Swedneck ,
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i mean we can make pretty fast boats at this point, and sleeper trains are plenty popular.

I think a 3-day transatlantic cruise from Calais to NYC would attract quite a lot of people, it wouldn’t be the main way to go from europe to america but for anyone on a leisure trip, why not? Or if you’re moving between the continents, that’s a pretty stellar way to mark the change in your life.

umbraroze ,

Meanwhile, me aboard a train: “Oh you can get whole massive meals on restaurant cars these days? No thank you, I’ll get a coffee and one of those overpriced naff sandwiches.” (Well, the Finnish train sandwiches are pretty good, but they are hella overpriced. Like 7€. WTF.)

stringere ,

7 Euros = 7.55 USD That is a pretty normal price for a sandwich in the USA. I wish I considered that overpriced. 5 or more years ago I probably would have said that was overpriced.

Swedneck ,
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they’re overpriced in the sense that a sandwich does not in any universe cost that much to actually produce, not in the sense that they charge more than other people do for sandwiches.

7 euros isn’t too much more than what a sandwich can tend to cost at Pressbyrån in sweden, which is infamous for charging out the ass for everything just because they can. A normal grocery store that carries some premade sandwiches might charge more like 5 euro for them.

RadioFreeArabia ,

As far as I know, economy seats are still sold at a loss. They make up for it in the higher classes. I don’t fly through Doha often but when I do, I do like getting on Qatar Airways.

capt_wolf ,
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So I remember taking a flight 10 years ago and they gave us pretzel pieces from snyders. I thought, great, we don’t even get whole pretzels…

Next flight, they give us generic “trail mix” in clear bags. The kind the old folks down the street would give out at Halloween because it was “healthy.” but that contained approximately 2 pretzels the size of quarters, 3 peanuts, 3 generic m&ms, and 2 raisins…

It gave me the impression that airlines are like schools, where the flight staff are the ones bringing in the snacks because the airline is too cheap to supply them.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fba7344c-350c-49c2-9c0f-f362160ef8b8.jpeg

doingthestuff ,

My teacher friends live in big houses and travel all over the world but you know whatever. I don’t.

MotoAsh ,

Liar.

aidan ,

My grandparents were both teachers and are rich. Granted one was a professor, but the other a public school teacher.

MotoAsh ,

In any case, anecdotes do not and cannot disprove the actual statistics.

Also, if you live in a country that actually respects intelligence, I’d HOPE your teachers are actually paid well. Sadly, the US despises intelligence right now…

aidan ,

In dying rural areas in the US teachers are generally some of the best paid. Its mostly in cities where their pay lags. But no, they live in the US in LA(CA, not the state). Also, FYI just because I live in one country doesn’t mean its the same my grandparents live in.

MotoAsh ,

Ahh yes, California, a state that pays more, AND in LA, where wages are WAY higher because cost of living is way higher…

Thank you for describing why your anecdote is an outlier and DEFINITELY doesn’t prove any norm.

aidan ,

Thank you for describing why your anecdote is an outlier and DEFINITELY doesn’t prove any norm.

Where did I say it was the norm??? You called someone a liar for giving an anecdote. Outliers do happen…

MotoAsh ,

They’re a liar for attempting to use an anecdote to disprove a trend. That’s basic, basic manipulation tactics. Manipulation is wrong, misleading, and arguably lying when misusing data.

aidan ,

They never said anything about a trend. They said not all teachers are poor. That doesn’t mean they were disagreeing that teachers tend to be underpaid.

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    MotoAsh ,

    No thanks, you’re probably terrible in bed.

    kandoh ,

    My father’s generation thought planes would just get faster and faster and by now we’d be able to fly from NYC to Tokyo in 40 minutes

    Nurgus ,

    Concorde wasn’t far off that sort of speed. But it was too expensive. Such speeds will probably return in some form one day.

    rezifon , (edited )

    Concorde wasn’t far off that sort of speed. . .

    The concorde took 180 minutes (3 hours) to travel from New York to London (3,000 nautical miles).

    Ignoring range limits, a trip from New York to Tokyo (5,861 nautical miles) at that speed would take 351 minutes (5.8 hours).

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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    Sadly, missile technology usurped bombers, so there was no reason for the government to pay for the development of large, ultra-fast aircraft after the early 70s

    kandoh ,

    Just put seats on the missile then? I don’t know I’m not an engineer

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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    Elon already thought of that

    whome ,

    The amount of people who think flying is a normal thing. One percent of the worlds population produce 50% of aviation emissions. And most off the worlds population never fly in their life.

    blindbunny ,

    When the corpo wars start I’m just going to shoot them out of the sky

    blindbunny ,

    Because Americans have no class consciousness

    Feelfold ,

    Because we don’t own the means of production.

    Snapz , (edited )
    • That tray table is WAYYYYY too big and luxurious - they have shrunk legroom so dramatically now that you get a little sliver about the width of your shoe.
    • That cup is about double the size they give now.
    • You didn’t get to pick those pretzels, there was just the single “choice” now.
    • Also, you didn’t get to pick that seat and you had to have last minute anxiety that you wouldn’t even be assigned a seat by the gate agent at the airport (after already taking time off from work to travel and committing $100+ for uber or airport parking)
    • You also paid at least an extra $100 to have a carryon bag (more depending on your route) and even more for a checked bag.
    • your seatback no longer has a screen in it. You have to submit to letting airline gorge on your personal data by granting permissions to run entertainment from your own phone and drain your battery.
    • Also, though they removed screen and expect you to use your own device, no viable phone holder provided to put your phone in a proper viewing position, so you’ll crane and hurt your neck throughout flight.
    • Also, your base airline ticket is now more expensive than in the past baggie all these upcharges and compromises.
    • shitty rental car at your destination now costs $100/day and parking at your hotel is not free, and is in fact $30-$50 additional per night.
    • And your garbage hotel room costs 3X what it should.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/77ada0a9-92d2-4aef-96e8-48bd1d2fe24f.jpeg

    AngryCommieKender ,

    Even spirit airlines allows you to pick your seat provided you book in advance

    Snapz ,

    It doesn’t though with the basic fares now. Boarding pass has “see gate agent” printed where a seat assignment would be. And no guarantee of a couple/family being seated together.

    Also always rumors of airlines testing stacked or standing seats to cram even more people in each plane.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    Oh yeah, they may have charged like $10 for me to pick my seat, but that seemed worth it for a guaranteed window seat

    Snapz ,

    Depends on the market probably, but a lot of spots it’s like $50-$100 extra, each way, to upgrade to the seat level that let’s you choose a seat. Frontier and spirit used to be the joke, but most of them are doing it now. Cliche joke used to be that they’d charge you each time you used the bathroom (maybe they actually happened in Europe, Ryanair?) But like too many things, we’re close to living the onion.

    Dettweiler42 ,

    Allegiant and Frontier don’t, unless you want to pay extra to pick your seat. Some will cost more than others.

    megopie ,

    To be fair, the soda bubbles are extra Lucious at 30k feet.

    AeonFelis ,

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/23c60cbb3cd99c06d7afffa9f974d173/tumblr_my3b53k37z1r4gei2o10_400.gifv

    EmperorHenry ,
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    people would rather be assfucked by a super sonic wheel than be fingered by the TSA

    EmperorHenry , (edited )
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    prices are higher, quality is lower.

    That won’t change until they’re forced to change

    todd_bonzalez ,
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    Airlines were not more luxurious 50 years ago.

    You had more legroom and the TSA didn’t exist, but everything else was way worse.

    ikidd ,
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    Yah, but you could smoke.

    MenacingPerson ,

    Yuck. That’s a con.

    ikidd ,
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    I swear, nobody on Lemmy gets sarcasm without being slapped in the face with it.

    vaultdweller013 ,

    Everyone on lemmy is autistic.

    JakJak98 ,

    Autism is better than every ism.

    vaultdweller013 ,

    You clearly havent experienced late stage redneckism. Its fun.

    Archs car battery… again.

    Twelve20two ,

    Every organism?

    Persen ,

    Well if there wasn’t an organism, there would be no autism. Now the rant: I still don’t get why people bully us, while their image of autism is heavily influenced by stereotypes and old research.

    UsernameIsTooLon ,

    Seriously tho, like reddit was autistic enough but now you gotta be even more niche enough to know about smaller better reddit.

    vaultdweller013 ,

    I blame it on the fact that autists will literally rip something apart if its making a weird noise. So a lot left reddit for being broken. Source I am autistic.

    Lairo ,

    Let’s maybe not use “autism” so derogatorily?

    CanadianCarl ,

    I am acoustic, thank you very much.

    yemmly ,

    Well, we do what we can, but there’s only so much acetaminophen (paracetamol for our British friends) you can give to pregnant women.

    vaultdweller013 ,

    I have no clue what you said, but I like your words magic man.

    yemmly ,

    I’ve been told I have a pretty mouth.

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    vaultdweller013 ,

    Yeah I aint a chemist so I couldnt get through a proper source. So hows bout you give me the TLDR and we can work from there?

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    vaultdweller013 ,

    Its Tylenol where I am, im from SoCal. Anyways correlation doesnt mean causation it could be any number of things, so until further research has been conducted such things must be assumed to be unknown. Also doubt it would include me, my autism is most certainly genetic. For some context I was diagnosed at three, it was the violence and cleverness that got me diagnosed as asperger.

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    vaultdweller013 ,

    How the fuck does that even happen?!

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    vaultdweller013 ,

    Huh, guess that aspect of knowledge didnt rub off on me from my grandmother. Still I suspect the pseudo lobotomy did something to you, even if it didnt cause autism.

    Duamerthrax ,

    Or grew up around conservatives and heard that shit being said unironically.

    I still hear people fondly reminisce about leaded gas. If you think I’m missing a joke, no. They will drive to airports to buy the leaded gas they sell there.

    vaultdweller013 ,

    And here I thought the lightbulb shit was stupid.

    yemmly ,

    Stay strong! Don’t give up the fight.

    yemmly ,

    No, non-believer! Fill your your lungs and be saved!

    ouRKaoS ,

    Not so much could as did.

    Smoking section: 20 rows, next to the air filters.

    Non-smoking section: any seat where the ashtray in the armrest didn’t work

    dantheclamman ,
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    Also the safety was statistically worse for the most part

    Clinicallydepressedpoochie , (edited )

    We are too reliant on air travel as it is. With the advent of the internet we should reduce air travel down to permitted leisure/visiting family and migration. Businesses should be able to video confernce most transactions. The situations where you absolutely need on site representation can be reduced drastically.

    That is, if you took climate change seriously.

    Xanis ,

    HA. So look, I do agree. Problem is businesses don’t care, even if we do. If you figure out a way to stop management across way too many professions from holding hour long meetings to talk about some data point that has so significance to what is actually happening, and those “leaders” who call meetings early to get the team together, when the whole damn thing could be in an email…yeah man, when you solve that, I’ll work with you to solve the rest.

    Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

    Ok, but like I’m not going to solve it. It’s not also going to be solved today. I’m just saying you want to gripe about your shitty airplane experience like we need to make it a luxury resort when really we need to stop pumping carbon into the atmosphere.

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    Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

    Lol. “The environment can suck my big fat cock. I need to go to Jamaica, NOW!”

    Thanks for the laugh.

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    Clinicallydepressedpoochie , (edited )

    I do have a selfish reason; and it’s not because I don’t vacation. It’s I travel for work and that shit is exhausting. Anyway, you’re acting like you care so go and give this a read and leave me alone you dope.

    bbc.com/…/20200218-climate-change-how-to-cut-your…

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    Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

    Using the r word in 2024. Someone I really want to interact with.

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    piccolo ,

    Sir… i think thats your brain youre looking at.

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    piccolo ,

    If you had a brain, youd had a better comeback than lame vulgar insults.

    Allonzee ,

    Wait till accelerating climate change makes leisure flights a thing of the past in the next decade or so, along with tame weather and dependable agriculture.

    Our species is done, thanks to mindsets like yours.

    arstechnica.com/…/the-climate-is-changing-so-fast…

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    Zink ,

    a thing of the past for poor people, anyway.

    Allonzee ,

    We were too conservative in our estimates and other accelerating factors, like loss of the reflectivity of our arctic regions, have entered the game.

    This stuff doesn’t go away on any human perceived timeframe even if we stopped entirely. Our beloved capitalists will be able protect themselves for a couple more decades beyond us peasants, but their luxury bunkers with ironically self-sustaining agricultural sections will effectively become the tombs of the families most responsible.

    We were just smart enough to make technologies that helped us today and doomed us tomorrow, and still too bone dead stupid not to stop/drastically reduce using them upon discovering the consequences of their use.

    🔥🤷🔥

    yemmly ,

    Rowboats my friend. Rowboats.

    Cowbee ,
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    Plus, high-speed rail is better for the environment.

    suction ,

    Not having to do unnecessary travel at all beats every transportation mode…

    Cowbee ,
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    Yes, and necessary travel doesn’t need to be via car or plane.

    aidan ,

    Businesses should be able to video confernce most transactions.

    Almost everyone who travels a lot for work wants this too.

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