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hark ,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

Would be nice to have a candidate who stands for something other than “he’s not the other guy” or “I’m sticking it to [group]!”

explodicle ,

Isn’t that Biden? He sees himself as a desirable candidate and stands for his own stuff. It’s the supporters who often stand for nothing more than fascism slower.

goldenlocks ,

Jill Stein

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Good to know Democrats aren’t interested in winning the left vote anymore

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/52cb35d3-a138-4d57-8af5-33d7838cca6c.jpeg

TheRealKuni ,

Leftists - making progress the enemy of perfection and fucking themselves over since always.

Diva ,
@Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

Biden still owes me $600

TokenBoomer ,

Damn right he does.

paddirn , (edited )

Still voting Biden, but this feels an awful lot like many past elections where people are holding their nose and voting for a candidate they don’t necessarily like just because they really don’t like the other candidate: Bush v Gore, Bush v Kerry, Clinton v Trump. Those elections never seem to turn out good.

squozenode ,

That’s exactly what this is.

Give me a viable other option, please! Biden is soggy, cold oatmeal from 4 days ago that’s probably still fine. Trump is medical waste mixed with gasoline and uranium powder.

OccamsRazer ,

Fear seems like the go-to strategy when you have the weaker candidate. During the Obama elections, the only thing Republicans could do was try to scare people into voting for them, since they knew they couldn’t beat him. The strategy turns from focusing on the strength of your own candidate to focusing on the flaws of the opposing candidate. Democrats entire strategy at this point is maximizing fear of Trump. Not sure why it’s so hard for them to get rid of Biden and put up a real candidate, but it looks like a flaw in the nomination process.

BadmanDan ,

We got to bruh, the shit Trump & MAGA are planning for 2024 is wild.

Ranger ,

I’m not sure if OP understands what a Tanky is.

Fidel_Cashflow ,
@Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml avatar

Tankie is just the blue version of Woke at this point

PythagreousTitties ,

According to hexbear it’s just anything that’s not western/liberal

Socsa ,

Maybe we don’t associate Biden with fascism frog

AngryCommieKender ,

If we let the fascists claim any symbol they want, we will have nothing left.

Pepe was just a depressed frog boi. Pepe is only fascist if we let the fascists win

noxy ,
@noxy@yiffit.net avatar

Go ahead and get a few swastika tattoos then

Schadrach ,

I used to joke back in 2014 that if Milo Yian-whatever, Ben Shapiro and Gavin McInnes just had a biweekly meeting and decided on a hand sign, an image and a word to use heavily in social media for the following month that everything could be made into a dogwhistle within a year.

Ranger ,

He’s already associated with support for genocide.

gardylou ,

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    sudo ,

    Its literally a copy of a 2016 trump meme except they replaced Trump with Biden. This meme was deployed whenever Trump would “shit the bed” by 2015 standards.

    SleezyDizasta ,

    Pepe and his variations never represented any political ideology. The only thing that Pepe and Wojak represent is the internet

    sudo ,

    Ah yes and the swastika is just an ancient rune

    SleezyDizasta ,

    But it is. A symbol can mean different things in different context. For example, this hand gesture 👌 means okay in Western cultures but means something more insulting and offensive in Arab culture. Does that mean one is right and is the one and only representation of the gesture? Of course not. Same here. Swastikas have been around for thousands of years across many different cultures and has many different meanings. It’s just one variation of the symbol that ended up being used by the nazis and is offensive to most people. It’s silly and rather close minded to try to disregard all these disregard all these different context and meanings when many of them have been around for longer than the nazi variation. The principle applies here.

    sudo ,

    Please remember that this particular groyper meme is a literal copy of a Trump 2016 meme with the word “Trump” replaced with “Biden” and was deployed regularly by the alt-right. Please keep that in context while you give the argument that its in a totally different context. Its like responding to dog whistling accusations with more dog whistling.

    SleezyDizasta ,

    Please remember that this particular groyper meme is a literal copy of a Trump 2016 meme with the word “Trump” replaced with “Biden” and was deployed regularly by the alt-right

    So what? You have to stop doubling down on this idiotic argument because it is getting ridiculous. Guilt by association and purity are heavily frowned upon and criticized throughout history for a reason. Different things have different meanings in different contexts, and you can’t judge people without proper contexts and for things they’re not or didn’t do. This should be obvious, but for some reason it isn’t.

    This meme and others like it all originate from 4chan and the other imageboards similar to it, and these boards are responsible for internet’s most famous memes. Just think about what has come out of 4chan for a second:

    • Wojak and its variations
    • Pepe and its variations
    • LOLcats
    • Pedobear
    • Anonymous
    • Rickrolling
    • The popularization of Chocolate Rain
    • Greentext
    • Rage comics
    • The ungodly origin of “Bronies”
    • The Shia Labeouf fiasco
    • The 4chan-Tumblr wars
    • Pool’s closed

    They are quite literally the foundation of internet culture. Everybody who grew up on the internet was used or at least enjoyed any of these. These imageboards are built on the idea that the internet is the wild west, where everybody no matter how tame or extreme, no matter how good or evil, and no matter how pragmatic or delusional can get together and shitpost. And guess what? 4chan and these other imageboards were ALWAYS cesspools filled pedos, Marxists, neo nazis, anarchists, racial supremacists, misogynists/misandrists, and so on, but at the same time, they’re also filled with a lot of normal people. Regardless, if we follow your logic, which is that anybody who has ever used any of these memes is a neo nazi by proxy then anybody who took part in mainstream Internet culture over the past 20 years is a neo nazi… which is obviously ridiculous.

    Keep in mind, you’re right the groyper meme did originate from neo nazis but so did many other famous memes. I mean the latest famous variation of wojak, the chud, originated from some Marxist imageboard. Marxists are just as vile as neo nazis, does that mean anybody who used the chudjak meme is a Marxist? No, that’s stupid. The meme was started by Marxists, but it was used by a lot of other people, including those making fun of Marxists.

    The point that I’m trying to make here is that memes serve as templates. Templates without content don’t mean anything, they’re just a structured blank document. Just like how symbols have different meanings in different contexts, so do these memes. If OP posted this same meme saying something like “Putin is still a great leader” then OP would be a fascist… but he’s not. His meme is about Biden.

    Like seriously, do you honestly believe that OP is some secret neo nazi because he used a cartoon frog meme to make a pro Biden post? Even worse, do you seriously think that I’m also a secret neo nazi by proxy for pointing out that symbols and templates mean different things in different contexts? This is where you start crossing the line from a valid critic into a paranoid schizo or McCarthyist virute signaler.

    antonim ,

    At this point I doubt tankies should be much of a concern. What are they, 1-2% of the potential Dem voter base? I’d sooner worry about the indecisive ones who have seen the performances in the debate.

    PapaStevesy ,

    They’re just very loud on this site.

    disguy_ovahea ,

    They’re loud on every site. Their goal is to normalize disenfranchisement. They’re either knowingly or unknowingly doing the job for Republicans.

    Zipitydew ,

    They’re especially loud here because Lemmy’s developers are tankies. Some are even supposedly former Chapo Trap House peeps that got kicked off reddit. It’s the most annoying part of this place trying to be a reddit replacement. But it’s getting better with users calling them out.

    IrateAnteater ,

    Exactly. More specifically, I’m not afraid of how people vote, I’m afraid of people choosing not to.

    rwhitisissle ,

    What are they, 1-2% of the potential Dem voter base?

    Add a .000 in front of those numbers and you might be right. If those numbers were accurate you would expect somewhere between, what…1 and 2 million tankies in the US alone?

    jaybone ,

    We need all the votes we can get.

    Aqarius ,

    No, see, that would mean there are people out there who disagree with me who aren’t either tankies or maga, and that impossible because that would mean… that would… oh no…

    reallykindasorta ,

    Still drawing the line at genocide. Hate me.

    SPRUNT ,

    I assume you are referring to supplying weapons to Israel, in which case, do you think Trump (who called Biden a ‘Palestinian’ as an insult during the debate) will be the better choice and stop supplying weapons to Israel?

    eran_morad ,

    It’s just kinda dumbass, since the other guy is going to do so much worse. Like, if you value human life, you should draw the line at the putz who’s going to kill the fewest people. You can piss and moan all you want, but before you lies a binary choice. There’s nothing you can do to change that.

    arefx ,

    okay so vote for trump who will give even more to israel, great plan, very thought out.

    greywolf0x1 ,

    Hypothethical imaginary situations that are supposed to scare Leftists or other sensible individuals into toeing the dem party lines are false and useless

    i keep seeing this analogy and conclusions pop up everywhere on here over the last three months and I’m think a neo-liberal developer has unleashed a host of bot accounts that parrot their party’s propaganda on Lemmy

    nyctre ,

    So you actually believe that after the elections are over when one of the two candidates will inevitably win that your 3rd party vote will have done anything other than the obvious 2 things? (Either nothing or just raise trump’s chance to win). If you actually care, the sensible thing to do is make everything possible to make sure trump doesn’t win then start protesting asap and doing everything in your power for the next 4 years to make sure you get more and better options.

    arefx ,

    You aren’t smart.

    queermunist ,

    Same.

    I don’t care if y’all vote for Biden. Do what you think is best, and let me do what I think is best.

    BluJay320 ,
    @BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    So throwing away your vote is doing what is best?

    Great. When Trump wins, you’ll be just as responsible as the republicans

    greywolf0x1 ,

    When did they say they were throwing their vote away or voting for trunp? You can always expect false analogies from genocidal democrats.

    Political/Voting Apathy is a thing, if an individual’s interest and values don’t align with yours, you can’t expect them to support or follow your party. The Biden-led government committed a genocide, deal with the consequences

    BluJay320 , (edited )
    @BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    It was implied.

    And do you really think the literal fascist will be a better option?

    No? Then vote Biden.

    We only have two options. There is no way around that.

    Throwing your vote away is disgustingly irresponsible, and those who do are culpable for everything that follows if Trump wins.

    It’s not apathy, it’s pure selfishness from those either too privileged to be seriously effected if Trump wins, or too stupid to realize the effect it will have

    queermunist , (edited )

    When Trump wins it will be your fault for not forcing Biden to drop out. Ride-or-die Biden cultists are following the leader off a cliff when they should be calling for Biden to resign now (holy SHIT he needs to resign now, this man is not able to perform his job didn’t you see?!) and for someone else to replace him at the Convention.

    Do whatever you want, but don’t try to blame me for trying to force America to vote for a nursing home patient.

    BluJay320 ,
    @BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    This is the option we have. I don’t like it either, but unless some miracle happens and the DNC gets their head out of their ass, it’s either Biden or Trump.

    Refusing to vote because you’d rather stick it to Biden is not only stupid, but it’s exactly what republicans want you to do. You are inherently aiding them and Trump by doing so.

    queermunist , (edited )

    No, our option is to voice our displeasure and force the Party to capitulate to our demands.

    Stop just laying down and letting them have their way with you. It’s embarrassing.

    EDIT I don’t mean this to be an attack, but I just can’t get over how peasant-like your mindset is. “All we can do is support m’lord and 'ave faith in his Court, ours is not to question.” Why won’t you even try to change anything? When did you give up entirely on the concept of politics? We need to rise up and resist, not meekly obey!

    BluJay320 ,
    @BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I’m not “giving up”, I simply recognize the situation for what it is. I’m a realist, not a delusionist. Our situation is fucked either way, and the only choice we have is laid out plainly in front of us. We have the option of bad, or worse. I know what I’m choosing.

    By all means, voice your displeasure. Attack the party, attack those that got us to this point, attack the fuckers that continually neuter any attempt at having an even somewhat decent person running this country.

    We are largely on the same page. Fuck Democrats, fuck the DNC, and fuck the spineless bastards that support them.

    But at the end of the day, facts are facts. We can wish the situation were different, and we can fight for a better one going forward, but this is what we’ve got right now.

    So are you going to do your part in mitigating the shitshow, or will you sit in selfish apathy, willing to let the bad be worse?

    I know what I’m doing.

    queermunist ,

    I’m not “giving up”, I simply recognize the situation for what it is. I’m a realist, not a delusionist. Our situation is fucked either way, and the only choice we have is laid out plainly in front of us. We have the option of bad, or worse. I know what I’m choosing.

    You are giving up, regardless of your reasoning. You think good things are impossible and we should just settle for less bad things.

    This only guarantees that the worst outcome becomes inevitable. You create a shield for Democrats to hide behind that allows them to ignore calls from their base, which in turn obliterates voter enthusiasm and participation. When no one shows up to vote for your cynical candidates you have no one but yourself to blame.

    You need to join us in forrcing the Democratic Party to listen to constituents or Republicans are going to win.

    BluJay320 ,
    @BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Have fun contributing to the Republicans

    queermunist ,

    If Biden is the nominee the Democrats are going to lose.

    There’s still time before the Convention! We can still fix this!

    And you won’t because you’re a cynic and have given up.

    A_Very_Big_Fan ,

    “I’m going to stand around and let the genocide get worse, because I’m morally superior! 🤓☝️”

    YeetPics ,
    @YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

    Much better to be a spineless key board warrior like.ml and also accomplish nothing while screeching about nuking the west.

    Great work, you saved Palestine!

    A_Very_Big_Fan ,

    If you actually cared about genocide you’d get your thumb out of your ass and vote to reduce harm.

    Yet you’re sitting here shitting yourself over people voting for the lesser of two evils to feel morally superior, as if that’s going to help Palestinians. Good job.

    FatCat ,
    @FatCat@lemmy.world avatar

    You address this to tankies. I see very few of them around here these days.

    Cringe karma post.

    Maggoty ,

    They’re trying to conflate anyone who isn’t in full support of Biden as a tankie. It’s more of the same from the last year that’s been used to shut down any debate or criticism.

    sudo ,

    using a pepe to post this is letting the mask slip a bit there bud.

    hark ,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    The original image even says “don’t care, still voting trump” this is just an edit changing it to biden. Both democrats and republicans can agree on punching to the left. Of course, democrats have to use dog whistles like calling them all “tankies” just like how republicans love to discriminate against minorities while making references to them as “inner city youths” or whatever.

    Glytch ,

    Classic BlueMAGA play

    sudo ,

    I suspect BlueMAGA are Trump-to-Biden voters. Like this is Project Lincoln bullshit.

    JimVanDeventer ,

    Look on the bright side: a vote for Biden is really just a vote for Kamala Harris with extra steps.

    abracaDavid ,

    Harris is a joke and a cop that made her name on being super hard on small criminal offenses.

    She ain’t it. I mean, have you heard the weird things that she says while she’s speaking?

    She’s a terrible candidate. A somehow even worse Hillary.

    SkyezOpen ,

    Hillary is such a smug fuck I really don’t know what Harris would have to do to make me hate her more.

    maniii ,

    She aggressively enforced Marijuana convictions that had a pre-dominant predisposition against her own community.

    RealThunderhop ,
    @RealThunderhop@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean she habitually lies like Hillary. She is basically an enabler for a fascist police state (extreme militarization and attacking peaceful protesters). Obvious warmonger as well (current admin has that whole genocide enabling thing happening now)

    Her khive cult harasses/ed people and tries/ed to get them to commit suicide/ruin their lives. It’s been a thing for years. Fun fact is there are Hillary fans that do the same thing. They’ve not been held accountable for any of these things, and are basically a domestic terror group online. I mean there are plenty of right-wing nuts that do the same, but they get held accountable sometimes.

    commie ,

    ever heard the term “blue maga”?

    UnderpantsWeevil OP ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    The fanaticism and fatalism produce some interesting parallels

    noxy ,
    @noxy@yiffit.net avatar

    Pepe is dead. Stop.

    mrgreyeyes ,

    Nearly dead memes for nearly death people!

    I do support the message though!

    win95 ,
    @win95@lemmy.zip avatar

    The creator of pepe declared him dead

    SleezyDizasta ,

    That is beyond meaningless. Pepe has no owner. It is a symbol of the internet culture and it’s not going away any time soon.

    win95 ,
    @win95@lemmy.zip avatar

    Agreed but I do like the lore of pepe technically truly being dead because of his fascist undertone nowadays. Kinda funny.

    SleezyDizasta ,

    This is only true if you think it’s true. Pepe serves as a template for internet culture and can have anything projected on to it. Pepe has been used to push evil views like Marxism and Fascism to pragmatic views like universal healthcare and freedom of the press to non political things like complaining about video games and the weather.

    boatsnhos931 ,

    Jesus has my vote…no not him! Jesus Gonzalez from Colombia…He did my cabinets and all I can say is…WELL WOULD YOU JUST LOOK AT THAT

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/47ae61f7-4b36-4b8d-be46-595d43a0b0ca.jpeg

    01101000_01101001 ,

    Sometimes you just hafta look at it

    Croquette ,

    What is that from? Just reading what you wrote cracked me up.

    boatsnhos931 ,

    youtu.be/EF8GhC-T_Mo?feature=shared

    Croquette ,

    This is great haha. Thanks for the link

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