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ReCursing , in My children will refer to me as father.
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I do not get the sexualisation of daddy. It just feels pedo and cringy to me. if I was having sex with someone and they called me daddy I'd probably immediately go soft

Sheeple , (edited )
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Just you wait until you meet people with mommy issues. THOSE you wanna avoid

Mostly because I’m my experience people with mommy issues tend to be male NEETs who are incapable of seeing any woman as just a friend. Usually incels too. I found them to be kind of abusive as people too and turn vindictive when you don’t feed into their fantasies. As a woman, it’s always the same old story when I encounter these men.

Meanwhile people with daddy issues usually have their shit together regardless of gender.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah as someone who is into mom bods I hear enough horror stories to be very grateful I don’t have to deal with them

CaptainEffort ,

I just feel bad. Those with daddy issues get way less hate than those with mommy issues.

Sheeple ,
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  • dumpsterlid , (edited )

    Can we PLEASE differentiate between people who enjoy daddy or mommy kinks in a consensual fantasy setting with partners that are also into it, from people with deep psychological trauma relating to their parents that comes out in the vulnerable setting of sex? (one can be both obviously)

    Is this that hard people?!?? facepalm

    If you are having sex with someone with “daddy issues” or “mommy issues” and that reflects some weird way through their sexuality in a way that extends beyond fantasy into the realm of problematic behavior that is entirely a different problem and it has nothing to do with someone’s “kink” at that point.

    Yeah if partner just throws a kink at you without preparing you or determining if you might be interested in acting it out, that is shitty and honestly approaching the realm of violence, but don’t throw other people who are into the same kink under the bus who would never just launch you into some weird shit without making sure you were onboard through a framework of consent.

    Kinks don’t make rational sense, they are the tension between rationality and desire. They are all disgusting, transgressive and shocking. If you don’t like it fine, but wondering why anybody would be into it if you find it disgusting doesn’t really get you anywhere.

    bmsok ,

    I’ve been in this exact situation. Went soft immediately and we had to have a talk about it.

    M137 ,

    I get soft even if it just pops up in a title when looking at porn. It’s just deeply off-putting.

    Harvey656 ,

    My partner calls me daddy and she’s older yhan me, so… what does that make me???

    vivadanang ,

    you’re the baby daddy.

    I don’t judge, more power to you.

    yemmly ,

    I’m probably soft right now as I write this

    SuckMyWang ,

    I’m soft but by the end of this sentence I’m hard. Now I’m soft again. Weird.

    mojo ,

    Sounds lame as hell, it’s awesome

    Emerald ,

    I do not get the sexualisation of daddy. It just feels pedo and cringy to me

    I mean… it’s pretty common for people to call romantic partners “baby”, I don’t see how that’s different

    ReCursing ,
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    Yeah I think that's a bit weird as well tbh

    NoIWontPickaName , in Whoopsie daisy, one should leave it to to the professionals maybe

    My brother needed more ram for a computer I gave him, so I gave him some more and told him to put it in the extra slot on the board.

    He called me and told me it wasn’t working at all now, so I went over after work.

    I have absolutely no clue how, to all of my knowledge it should have been impossible.

    He had put the ram in backward and managed to get the clips to lock in.

    l

    kryptonianCodeMonkey ,

    If at first it doesn’t fit, you clearly didn’t hammer hard enough

    NABDad ,

    If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed to be replaced anyway.

    OrekiWoof ,

    I managed to plug the 4pin CPU_POWER cable into two corresponding ports. As in 2 pins from one port and two from the other, since they make up an 8pin port.

    Surprisingly it was working but crashing randomly every half an hour.

    These ports are shaped so that this is impossible, but I managed to do it anyway.

    dual_sport_dork ,
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    Those connectors are keyed, but only to prevent you from installing them backwards or rotated 90 degrees, and not from doing what you did. The “tombstone” shaped pins will fit in the square holes, but not vise versa.

    Offsetting it by 1 pin side to side won’t result in the loss of any smoke, because you will observe the wire colors and that all of the pins on the top edge are 12v positive and all the pins on the bottom edge are ground. You got away with what you got away with because you merely delivered insufficient current to the board, but not the wrong voltage or wrong polarity to the wrong place.

    ummthatguy , in new rule
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    xilophor ,
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    Møøse trained by TUTTE HERMSGERVORDENBROTBORDA

    ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
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    Mind you møøse bites can be pretty nasty

    Entertainmeonly ,

    Llama… llama.

    WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

    Llamas are larger than frogs.

    Jessica ,

    Was this an Adult Swim thing? It looks familiar

    ummthatguy ,
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    Monty Python and the Holy Grail intro

    yamapikariya , in Plates
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    I can’t see them as face down.

    can ,

    Me neither. They were all face up from the get go for me.

    TulipanJones ,

    They all started as face up to me as well. The one that stood out to me though was the rectangular plate in the top right. That plate looked face down to me which then triggered all the plates to look face down.

    bstix ,

    It all looked like pills to me until I read the text. Couldn’t even see plates for a while.

    Anyway, I noticed that the top right rectangular one doesn’t match the perspective when seen as face down. All the other ones are round, so they don’t insinuate a perspective at all. That’s why that plate is the key.

    this_1_is_mine ,

    Shadow says its face up though. There should be a thicker bright line down the side if it was flipped over. The shadow should not have the same depth as all the other dishes.

    bstix ,

    Sort of. This plate sticks out because in order to create a shadow and light this way when facing down it would have to be angled in a way that doesn’t match with the others when also assuming that they’re all placed on the same surface. It only looks right with the others when seen as face up. The trick here is that we normally assume light to come from the top when given no other clues, but this assumption doesn’t match with our assumption of placement. The text also suggests the wrong way first.

    If the picture had been presented upside down, it might have been difficult to even ee it any other way than the correct one.

    can ,

    I can back and now I can.

    dingus ,

    I have tried some of the “tricks” in the comments and none work for me. Try as I might, I can only see them as face up and nothing else. It doesn’t make sense to me that they could ever appear face down because the lighting wouldn’t make sense.

    yamapikariya ,
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    I got to see them upside down for a moment and it does not look correct. They are actually face up in the picture but it is possible to trick yourself into seeing them as upside down but they don’t look like they would if they really were

    themeatbridge , in hypocrite.

    I know it’s a meme, but is anyone actually sad for the fish? I thought we were terrified about what was happening to our food. If someone autopsied a downed cow and a bunch of toxic plastic shit spilled from their stomachs, we aren’t thinking “poor cow ate all that plastic and died.” We’re worried about our food supply.

    toomanypancakes ,
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    Lots of people are sad for the fish, but they’re usually vegan

    LemmysMum ,

    I’m sad for the fish because if they’re gone I can’t eat them, and they can’t eat the tasty little fish, and they miss out on all that lovely tasty phytoplankton…

    Ataraxia ,

    I’m sure a lion is gonna feel really bad for a human if they choke on plastic instead of getting to feed a lion.

    amzd ,

    Lions also don’t feel bad when they kill or rape each other, they are not a great role model for morals.

    oshitwaddup ,

    I’m sad for the fish. Imaging being forced into a massive pile of others just like you while being crushed by the weight of them and suffocating to death. It’s fucked up

    anonymouse ,

    That has more to do with farming practices though, not plastic pollution.

    oshitwaddup ,

    The plastic pollution is also sad, but not as sad imo

    LemmysMum ,

    Global catastrophy will never be as emotionally convincing as individual suffering. Why empathise with more when you can sympathise with less.

    oshitwaddup ,

    The fishing is sadder to me because it’s intentionally causing unnecessary harm. I can see why accidental harm might be sadder though, and it is very sad either way. Systemic injustice and global catastrophe both need to be addressed though obviously

    LemmysMum ,

    Consuming for survival is not unneccesary harm. All complex life takes life to continue living.

    oshitwaddup ,

    The vast majority of humans can thrive/be healthy on a vegan diet, therefore it’s not consuming for survival. That’s an excuse or ignorance (again, for the vast majority of humans, especially those who are reading this. There are always exceptions tho)

    LemmysMum , (edited )

    Vegans just casually creating a class system to value one life above others.

    We have a name for the class of animals that eat grass, stay in packs for safety, and lack the individual skills necessary for individal survival. And even they are smart enough to be opportunistic omnivores.

    The only species of animal stupid enough to consume against their needs and instincts are humans.

    oshitwaddup ,

    What? That’s what you took from vegans saying “stop killing others unnecessarily”?

    Carnists are literally putting out an idea that values someones sensory pleasure over the lives of others and then acting accordingly and killing by the billions each year.

    LemmysMum ,

    The word you’re looking for is omnivore, not carnist.

    How many house plants have you killed not for the purpose of your own survival? Nobody can disregard life like a militant vegan.

    oshitwaddup ,

    Carnist, omnivore, speciesist. If the shoe fits 🤷

    To the best of my knowledge plants are not sentient. If they were I would take much better care of houseplants and still be vegan because eating other animals still kills way more plants (google trophic levels)

    LemmysMum ,

    Disingenuous, ignorant, mentally deficient from years of choline deficiency. You’re right. If the shoe fits.

    Eating keeps things alive, only a vegan would think taking something out of its natural environment and subjecting it to worse living conditions and a shortened lifespan without the purpose of benefitting another lifeforms ability to survive as being less harmful.

    We kill for survival, you kill for pleasure and ego.

    Classist vegans only care for sentience, not life.

    oshitwaddup ,

    I think you’re a troll, ignorant, projecting, or some combo of the above, so I’m going to stop responding to you now. Peace ✌️

    LemmysMum ,

    I’m going to assume you can’t defend your position so you’re going to curl up in your ego to keep warm. Enjoy!

    WldFyre ,

    We kill for survival, you kill for pleasure and ego.

    Why do non-vegans always have the stupidest takes wrapped up in some pseudo-intellectual bullshit. You obviously don’t believe that someone killing your houseplant or lawn is as bad as someone killing your dog, so why say something so blatantly untruthful and dumb?

    And how are vegans killing for pleasure when they have a more restricted diet than you?

    Go out and continue the circle of life in your local Publix, you ferocious lion you!

    LemmysMum ,

    Wow, do you even hear yourself? How lacking in compassion must you be to not have any care for plant life.

    WldFyre ,

    Nice to know that you don’t have any arguments. Vegans are the dumb ones for sure! Continue trolling and pretending to be an idiot, that really shows how you have a point and they don’t lol

    LemmysMum ,

    I’ve got plenty of arguments, none you’d be able to get past your ego to accept though.

    WldFyre ,

    Saying killing plants is morally equivalent to killing animals is not only dumb, it’s also an argument for veganism. It takes more plants to sustain an omnivore diet than a vegan one. All the animals you eat had to eat as well, and it’s not an efficient transfer of calories. Look up trophic levels if you’re actually arguing in good faith.

    So I agree! Killing plants is murder! So you should go vegan and stop killing excessive plants for your selfish taste buds.

    commie ,

    it’s also an argument for veganism

    no, it’s not

    WldFyre ,

    Great counter argument. Eating carcinogens is truly great for your mental facilities.

    commie ,

    plants are not sentient

    this cannot be proven, but even if it’s true, it doesn’t matter. sentience is an arbitrary charcteristic on which to base your diet.

    oshitwaddup ,

    Sentience is what I base my ethics on (i’m a sentientist or sentiocentrist), which has implications on diet when considering whether to exploit and/or kill sentient beings for food. I don’t think it’s arbitrary, if someone is sentient, they are morally relevant because they can experience positive and negative valence (pleasure/pain, to put it more plainly but lose some nuance). If something is not sentient, I don’t see how it can be ethically relevant except in cases where the nonsentient thing matters to a sentient being

    if you’re looking for arbitrary, the anthropocentrists are that way

    Also I agree we can’t prove that plants aren’t sentient, that’s why I said “to the best of my knowledge”

    commie ,

    if you’re looking for arbitrary, the anthropocentrists are that way

    this is just a tu quoque

    oshitwaddup ,

    I explained why it’s not arbitrary, then pointed to a group that does draw arbitrary distinctions. That’s not tu quoque because I’m not saying “you also”

    commie ,

    you’re saying it’s not arbitrary. “no, you” is still a form of tu quoque. you haven’t actually made a case that sentience isnt an arbitrary standard, and there isn’t a case to be made: sentience isn’t a natural phenomenon outside of human subjective classification. without people, there would be no concept of green or warm or sentient, and any of those attributes is an arbitrary standard to use to judge the ethics of a diet.

    oshitwaddup ,

    Are you saying everything we can talk about is arbitrary because everything we can talk about is with words and concepts?

    Are you talking about meriological nihilism? (thanks alex oconnor for teaching me that term lol)

    I know sentience is real based on the fact that I’m experiencing things right this moment. Based on my understanding of the brain and nervous system, and the strong evidence that those things give rise to my sentience, I think that it’s reasonable to extrapolate that other, similar nervous systems/brains are also sentient and their experience is worth consideration in a similar way to how I consider my own experience (among the many other reasons to have a basic level of empathy)

    commie ,

    why sentience and not DNA? or literally any other characteristic? your standard is absolutely arbitrary.

    oshitwaddup ,

    Based on my understanding of the brain and nervous system, and the strong evidence that those things give rise to my sentience, I think that it’s reasonable to extrapolate that other, similar nervous systems/brains are also sentient and their experience is worth consideration in a similar way to how I consider my own experience (among the many other reasons to have a basic level of empathy)

    commie ,

    the same can be said of DNA. this is a completely arbitrary standard, and you would be better served to embrace that than pretending it’s somehow objective.

    oshitwaddup ,

    I’m not saying it is objective, I’m saying it’s not arbitrary.

    If my dna was isolated in a test tube and it could experience things then I would also care about what it experiences. There isn’t any evidence I’m aware of that that’s the case. Dna is the instructions and tool to build the sentient being, not the sentient being itself. So no, the same couldn’t be said of dna. Extrapolating from how much I care about what I experience, I think it’s reasonable to care about what things that experience things experience

    commie ,

    I’m not saying it is objective, I’m saying it’s not arbitrary.

    this can’t be true. it’s self-contradictory.

    oshitwaddup ,

    ok, taboo the word arbitrary. What do you mean when you say arbitrary?

    commie ,

    I mean there is no objective reason to set the standard at sentience any more than any other standard.

    oshitwaddup ,

    Then based on the way you are using arbitrary, I see why you think my position is arbitrary. Do you think all positions are arbitrary?

    commie ,

    all subjective opinions, like ethics or aesthetics, are.

    oshitwaddup ,

    Once you go to a deep enough layer I think you’re right. But, the one subjective thing my argument rests on is that you care about your own experience. Anyone who flinches away from touching a hot stove because it hurts cares about their experience at least a little. The next step is recognizing that from an objective view, there’s no reason to think your subjective experience is any more important than anyone elses (subjectively there is).

    commie ,

    we are going to, once again, disagree on the relevant definition of “anyone”.

    oshitwaddup ,

    That seems to bother you. Let’s taboo the word. When I say “someone”, “anyone”, “person”, etc, I’m referring to a sentient being, a subject of experience, an experiencer, one who is experiencing. Now you can interpret what I’m saying better, do you disagree with the actual points I’m making?

    commie ,

    yes, I do: sentience is too broad a category, and not actually relevant to most people. if we are talking about people, then all of your statements are fine. but I don’t agree that these axioms are or should be applicable to, say, mosquitos . or mice. or dogs or cats. or fish. or livestock.

    oshitwaddup ,

    Why is sentience too broad? afaik all humans are sentient, otherwise we’d be philosophical zombies (or there would be p-zombies among us)

    commie ,

    it’s too broad because it includes mosquitoes and mice and dogs and cats and fish and livestock. most people don’t treat them the same way. most ethical systems don’t treat them the same way. My ethical system doesn’t treat them the same way. so I do not agree that it’s okay to write an axiom about how you’re supposed to treat sentient beings. treating people better than animals is a good thing.

    oshitwaddup ,

    are your ethical views based on what most people have done historically? Or how most ethical systems view something? What is your ethical system?

    what is/are the difference(s) between human and non-human animals that justifies treating humans better than non-humans?

    commie ,

    name the trait is a fallacious line of argument because it falls prey to the linedrawing fallacy.

    oshitwaddup ,

    Hell even to get past solipsism you have to subjectively assume to that your mind and senses accurately reflect the world at least a little bit, otherwise gathering any accurate data or reasoning about that data productively would not be possible

    commie ,

    right…

    commie ,

    if someone is sentient, they are morally relevant because they can experience positive and negative valence

    this is a moral virtue only to utilitarians.

    oshitwaddup ,

    there are other approaches to sentientism that aren’t based on valence. I don’t feel like writing a book on the different ones, but to give an example of a rights based one that I think is strong is that every sentient being has, at the very least, a right to their body, since that’s the one thing they’re born with and that is (almost certainly) what gives rise to their sentience in the first place. And to violate another sentient beings bodily autonomy is to forfeit your own (a sort of low level social contract), which allows for self defense and defending others

    but to go back to utilitarianism, I think there’s a strong argument that most ethical frameworks can be defined in terms of a sufficiently creative definition of utility. I don’t really feel like getting into the weeds of that discussion though, and I don’t think it’s particularly relevant to the conversation anyways

    commie ,

    but to go back to utilitarianism, I think there’s a strong argument that most ethical frameworks can be defined in terms of a sufficiently creative definition of utility.

    this is a good reason to doubt the validity of the theory: it is constructed in a way that it is not disprovable.

    commie ,

    I don’t really feel like getting into the weeds of that discussion though, and I don’t think it’s particularly relevant to the conversation anyways

    it is. your ethical position is highly relevant to any ethical argument you present.

    oshitwaddup , (edited )

    Then present yours lol

    Sentientism answers the question of “who/what matters?”, not “what ethical framework should be used to care about who/what matters?”. It can underly many ethical frameworks, personally I don’t care that much what ethical framework you use as long as we can agree on who’s included in the moral scope (although there are some utilitarians who I think have bad definitions of utility and/or do a bad job weighing the utility)

    commie ,

    I’m not presenting an argument. I’m questioning yours.

    commie ,

    to give an example of a rights based one

    I have to admit, I skipped the rest of this sentence on I don’t foresee myself attempting to read it: I don’t believe in rights as an objective phenomenon, either.

    commie ,

    The vast majority of humans can thrive/be healthy on a vegan diet

    I don’t think so

    oshitwaddup ,

    the scientific consensus is that a well planned vegan diet can be healthy for all stages of human life. Plant staple foods are some of the cheapest foods around (rice, beans, grains)

    commie ,

    none of those mean that the vast majority of humans can thrive or even be healthy on a vegan diet. and while the food itself may be cheap, it may lack convenience or cultural appropriateness, and therefore come with costs that are hidden at the checkout counter.

    oshitwaddup ,

    sure, there are a lot of factors that would make it difficult. If most people can’t afford to be vegan (for monetary or other cost reasons especially) that reflects a failure of our food system. Our food system hasn’t even gotten to the point of ensuring nobody goes hungry, we should be using our cropland to feed humans not other animals (look up how much of our crops go to livestock)

    we should end the biggest problems first, and start with ending factory farms, but we should also remember that culture is not a good reason to hurt others

    commie ,

    Our food system hasn’t even gotten to the point of ensuring nobody goes hungry, we should be using our cropland to feed humans not other animals

    do you have a plan to accomplish that? until such a plan is implemented, there is not even a question whether it’s moral to eat meat, seafood, dairy, or eggs: most people have no volition in the matter and no one can actually change that.

    Goldmage263 ,
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    All of Lemmy be up in arms here. Just vote with your wallet when you can. Buy the eggs at the farmers market, or the veggies if you won’t eat eggs. If you don’t have the funds, buy what you need to survive. I want my animals treated well before butchering, and I’ll mix the vegetarian meal into my diet regularly because it’s health for me to not eat meat every meal. I’m still going to eat animals, and most people have already decided what they are ethically ok with. Vegetarianism isn’t the biggest ethical concern for me at this time.

    oshitwaddup ,

    I don’t. I try to get people’s goals to align and recognize that these are important issues, and I’m working to grow more of my own food and get in a position where I’m able to have more of an impact, but no I don’t have an answer for everything and I don’t need one to be able call out injustice when I see it. And like most people I’m a hypocrite in some ways, I see these massive injustices and I still buy avocados and contribute to capitalism and waste time watching tv and arguing with people online instead of using that mental energy to actually do something in the world. I’m working on being better tho

    commie ,

    we should end the biggest problems first, and start with ending factory farms

    it’s not clear either that this is “the biggest problem” or, if it is, that the best method of solving our ecological woes is to attack it first.

    commie ,

    we should also remember that culture is not a good reason to hurt others

    I suspect we disagree about the relevant definition of “others”

    oshitwaddup ,

    Almost certainly we do. But, do you think if there was a culture that ran dog fights, that would be ok just because it’s part of their culture?

    I would not find that ok, because all sentient beings are worth moral consideration, and culture is not a good reason to hurt sentient beings. I might not focus on it especially if that culture was already marginalized and discriminated against and there were bigger problems to solve, but I’d still have the understanding that it’s bad

    commie ,

    I don’t think dog fighting is a moral issue: at worst, it’s aesthetic.

    oshitwaddup ,

    Really? What about bestiality?

    commie ,

    yea. that, too, is an aesthetic issue. it can be gross without being immoral.

    oshitwaddup ,

    We disagree very strongly

    commie ,

    you think gross things are immoral?

    oshitwaddup ,

    I think that having sex with sentient beings without their consent is extremely immoral

    commie ,

    sentience and consent have nothing to do with one another.

    oshitwaddup ,

    someone experiencing it should have a say in whether or not they experience it

    commie ,

    once again, we are going to be disagreeing on the relevant definitions of “someone”.

    oshitwaddup ,

    the experiencers should have a say in whether or not they experience it

    commie ,

    this is an impossible standard, and I don’t believe it’s one you actually ascribe to: for instance, pretty much everyone is ok with sterilizing stray dogs and cats, and there is never a question of consent.

    oshitwaddup ,

    I don’t claim to 100% live in an ideal way. I try to keep improving but I don’t think I’ll ever be perfect

    i think in cases where consent is difficult or impossible to achieve, we should act in the best interest of the experiencer in question. But I think that example is a tough one, at first glance I think we shouldn’t sterilize them, but then when I consider what will almost certainly happen if they’re not sterilized I think it’s probably worth doing the one bad thing to prevent worse things from happening. It’s an example where I think a utilitarian approach makes the most sense, since the variables are relatively clear

    commie ,

    and a bible believing Christian has a clear answer: it doesn’t matter, you have dominion, do what you want. I imagine you don’t like that reasoning, but it, to, gives clear guidance on the morality.

    I’m not talking about whether you live your values, I’m suggesting you don’t understand the implications of your own values, and under scrutiny you would find them internally inconsistent.

    which is fine, as long as you’re not going out and telling others the right thing to do.

    oshitwaddup ,

    i think I do understand them, I’ve thought about that problem before. Can you go into more detail on what you mean by internally inconsistent? By my understanding, situations in the world can come about where values need to be weighed, or there are only bad choices available, but that doesn’t mean those values should be discarded or replaced or that they shouldn’t be shared/spread.

    commie ,

    either it’s true that you can write an axiom that says “sentient beings should always consent to anything that is done to them” or you can write an axiom that says “you should always do what will bring about the most happiness or at least distress”

    those axioms are in conflict with one another. it’s not that there’s only bad choices. it’s that you’ve given yourself conflicting standards.

    oshitwaddup ,

    Neither of those are axioms I hold. The axiom “all sentient beings are morally relevant” does not specify how to go from there, and I am not convinced that any one ethical framework is “the one”. There are some things that all the ones I’m aware of converge on with a sentientist perspective, but there are weird cases as well like whether to euthanize stray animals where they don’t converge

    commie ,

    detente

    oshitwaddup ,

    lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz/comment/2243561 I haven’t put my views in those terms before but even here I say my views are based on sentience. I give an example, and I should have been more clear that I’m not strictly looking at the issue from a utilitarian lense although I get why it would come across that way. At base I’m a sentientist, I think there are many reasonable ways to go from there

    LemmysMum ,

    Conveniently forgetting that the only reason a healthy nutritionally balanced vegan or vegetarian diet is even remotely possible is due to globalised trade and access to internationally produced and shipped vegetables.

    To maintain a nutritionally complete vegan diet for an individual year round actually requires far more use of fossil fuels and directly released carbon emissions due to limited seasonality and local accessibility than a cow produces for the same nutrient density and complexity locally.

    Here’s a “fun” fact, first world demand for fruit and grain variety has out priced primary sources of food for local populations in third world countries including things like lentils, quinoa, and avocados.

    sbs.com.au/…/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-there-s…independent.co.uk/…/veganism-environment-veganuar…theguardian.com/…/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-trut…

    Or that nutritional deficiencies caused by incorrectly managed vegan diets are why doctors in Italy and Belgium are pushing for it to become illegal to feed children vegan diets, because the number of malnourished and dead children of vegan parents are rising in those nations.

    www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37034619telegraph.co.uk/…/parents-raise-children-vegans-s…

    Capacity is not the same as actuality.

    oshitwaddup ,

    sbs.com.au/…/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-there-s… did you read the editors note at the bottom?

    independent.co.uk/…/veganism-environment-veganuar… the main thrust of the article is buy more locally grown food, grow your own food? I agree with that lol. To go a step further, community gardens are good!

    theguardian.com/…/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-trut… yeah I agree eat less quinoa and asparagus. See also the footnote

    Those things are failures of our food system, and problems we could and should solve. The cool thing about eating plants is it doesn’t inherently require exploiting other sentient beings, but it does still happen unfortunately. That goes for animal ag too tho, and animal agriculture inherently depends on the exploitation

    www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37034619 last two paragraphs

    telegraph.co.uk/…/parents-raise-children-vegans-s… the vegans in that post make good points. Obviously negligent parents are a problem, vegan or no

    To maintain a nutritionally complete vegan diet for an individual year round actually requires far more use of fossil fuels and directly released carbon emissions due to limited seasonality and local accessibility than a cow produces for the same nutrient density and complexity locally

    did I miss the source on this?

    Here’s a source for you to read, I read the ones you linked www.nature.com/articles/s43016-023-00795-w

    while this doesn’t go super in depth, it’s a counterpoint to the idea that veganism (And definitely vegetarianism) is only possible with global trade. www.iamgoingvegan.com/vegan-cultures/

    LemmysMum ,

    Tell that to the 12.8% of Americans that have food insecurity without the struggle of attempting veganism. ers.usda.gov/…/food-security-and-nutrition-assist…

    oshitwaddup ,

    Tell which thing? I wrote a lot

    but, one thing we could do is divert the massive subsidies and bailouts the US gives to animal agriculture (and a lot of the subsidies to plant ag too! It leads to a tremendous waste, iirc the reason corn syrup is so common is we grow too much corn cause it’s overly subsidized. People need good food, not corn syrup) and spend that on actually feeding those people

    While we’re redirecting funds, the military budget could use some massive cuts that could also be used to provide food, shelter, and healthcare to people

    cashews_best_nut ,

    Mmmmm smoked kippers. 🤤

    kaffiene ,

    I don’t get why meat eaters have to make cunt responses like this whenever someone expresses concern over the welfare of animals. And I’m a meat eater

    cashews_best_nut ,

    Because I loooooooove the taste of kippers. 🤤

    kaffiene ,

    Or… You’re a cunt. Gottit

    Ataraxia ,

    They didn’t say anything unusual. Smoked kippers are delicious. We have some of the most amazing meat and fish on this planet and that’s something to protect. Our food matters.

    Ataraxia ,

    Lol OK.

    Smokeydope , (edited )
    @Smokeydope@lemmy.world avatar

    I do have some level of sympathy for the fish but also recognize I’m a little more sympathetic to non-human life than most people. I can’t bring myself to kill insects without a good reason (except ticks and mosquito) not even ants. Whenever my parents would cut down a tree on their property I grieve for the life of the trees lost just because my dad fell off one as a kid and has a subconscious hatred for them now (yes he even admitted to me this was the case) I even feel some guilt about cutting grass and mulching the occasional bee.

    I’ve worked a seasonal job giving medical care to dairy cows, once you see just how poorly farmers treat them and how horrific their short lives are its hard not to feel bad for them. Farmers make standard animal cruelty cases look like mild neglect by comparison. The only blessing is that modern cows have been selectively bread to become so docile as to be almost braindead.

    I’m cool with eating animals, the cycle of life and all that, but in trade we can at least try to give them decent lives that aren’t so fucking awful from birth to death. Like it or not even fish have some level of intelligence and most likely emotional capacity. same with farm animals, trees, mushrooms, insects, and probably even the microorganisms to some degree. To think we are special and the only feeling lifeforms on the planet out o billions just cause the thinky thinky parts of our brain are a little bit bigger than most is just stupid and a very human-centric idea that strokes our own collective ego in a manifest destiny kind of way.

    Yes I know I’m wierd but maybe the world needs a few people like me who care a little too much about non-human suffering.

    kaffiene ,

    You’re not weird bro, you just have empathy. I agree with you

    threeduck ,
    @threeduck@aussie.zone avatar

    That might just be the weirdest turnaround. You can’t hurt a fly, but you’re okay with a cow being bolted through the brain because they’re a bit tastier than mock meets?

    Like, you can’t be “sympathetic to animals” if you’re paying an industry that mass slaughters them. Especially when you’re only paying that out of simple preference. I sure hope you don’t find humans tasty, because it sounds like you’ll set aside all of your morals for a yummy lunch?

    sndrtj ,

    You don’t have to feel bad for cutting grass. That’s grass its entire evolutionary skitch, albeit naturally with being grazed instead of mechanically cut.

    Grass survives cuts extremely well. Most of its mass is below ground. By thriving in areas that are frequently grazed / cut, it outcompetes other plants. Natural meadows without grazers quickly turn into forests. But tree saplings don’t survive being eaten, so whenever there are grazers (or human cuts), grass outcompetes trees.

    pomodoro_longbreak ,
    @pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

    It is sad and gross in a way that’s hard to pin down. I can find nature both beautiful and delicious at the same time.

    JunglGeorg , in Pokémon go to the polls
    @JunglGeorg@lemmy.world avatar

    Team Rocket. It’s always Team Rocket! 👌

    name_NULL111653 ,
    Johanno ,

    Okay, wanna date?

    Lord_ToRA , in dong nutte
    @Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world avatar
    ObviouslyNotBanana OP ,
    @ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t you dare fact check the dongfish

    tkk13909 ,

    Dong check the factfish

    goa_mpu ,
    @goa_mpu@feddit.de avatar

    Fact fish the dong check

    agamemnonymous ,
    @agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Nor the wind, the sun or the rain

    hungryphrog ,

    nooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    ExLisper ,

    I don’t care that people say it’s fake. It’s real for me god damn it!

    Zink ,
    @Zink@pawb.social avatar

    Fix it by renaming the fish

    Ensign_Crab , in They asked for it.

    Works better with shredded coconut on top.

    ivanafterall ,
    @ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

    Toasted to a golden brown.

    Decoy321 ,

    Easy there, Satan.

    MMbhJkpW3a3i , in Weird 🤔

    Can’t tell you how strongly I disagree. It feels like the first people on Lemmy are the most insufferable know-it-all and holier-than-thou types from Reddit. Say anything about Microsoft or Windows? Here’s 15 commenters telling you how much better they are for having Linux, and 2 commenters on topic, only to be called inferior by the Linux users. Same for Photoshop, same for social media, same for any paid software.

    And everyone who has an opinion must insult anyone who disagrees like it’s political Twitter, only by people who think they’re smarter cause they were never on Twitter.

    Lemmy is so toxic it’s delaying its development. People lurk cause there are too many assholes talking over everyone else.

    The only thing that’s better is there are less of those “um ahcktually”, pedant types. If you say “everyone”, people mostly understand you don’t literally mean “everyone.”

    June ,

    I think the instance really matters. My ‘all’ feed is full of toxic assholes but my subs are mostly rad folks.

    ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,
    @ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Totally agree. I stopped seeing toxic people when I left Lemmy.World. idk why that is. It’s not like Lemmy.world is a terrible place or anything.

    mob ,

    You must be a car driving capitalist tankie to be hatting on this place.

    jk, I definitely agree. This place is way more radicalized than Reddit, or at least it isn’t nearly as diluted by bots so it seems more prominent… Some dope people around here but I’m definitely losing hope that this place will grow into a cool place.

    It’s all the same topic posts and the same hateful comments, but you can’t even find small active communities to get away from it.

    littlecolt ,

    I like risa on startrek.webaite, for one. you can def find cool communities.

    Caradoc879 ,

    Risa has gotten weird lately. I don’t find the meme as funny anymore. A lot of them just seem like the ‘oh so random’ humor that was funny when I was in middle school.

    barsoap ,

    Say anything about Microsoft or Windows? Here’s 15 commenters telling you how much better they are for having Linux,

    Eh. That’s like the repeat of “Reddit is an anti-American circlejerk”: No, it isn’t. Never was. It was simply the place where many Americans first learned that people who live beyond the brim of their burgers actually exist, and have opinions.

    You’re on a FLOSS platform. Don’t be surprised if fanboying for an aggressively monopolistic multinational with inferior technology, held up by duct tape and bribes to system integrators, doesn’t make you friends.

    Stuka ,

    Uhh yeah no. I was in reddit for over a decade and the anti-american circle jerk (that is alive and kicking on lrmmy, btw) became much worse over the last few years.

    Lemmy loves to pretend it’s superior to reddit, but now we’ve just concentrated the elitists and political extremists into a smaller pool of users.

    barsoap ,

    No, neither reddit or lemmy are anti-American. Not even unamerican. It’s much, much worse: They’re non-American. Reddit by I think a small majority, lemmy much more so.

    If, then, a random jingoist Seppo comes along and considers themselves and their dysfunctional country god’s gift to humanity, well, it’s easy to predict how much people will cheer that on.

    Add to that another, equally exceptionalist, breed of Seppos, just that those don’t think the US is the greatest thing to ever grace humankind, but the worst. That’s not anti-American either, they’re still exceptionalist and they’re still Seppos. Hexbear and lemmygrad are full of them.

    Also y’all don’t get what taking the piss entails.

    mob ,

    I agree with the sentiment that we are on a FLOSS platform, so most people are going to prefer Linux.

    But the rest of that comment is silly.

    Saying anything about Windows/Max doesn’t mean the commenter is fanboying.

    Also, are you saying you dont believe social media was manipulated to interfere with American politics?

    And the last one really cracks me up about making friends. “Aggressively fanboying” Windows or Mac doesn’t make you friends, but fanboying Linux does? You and I are definitely in different areas of CS then ha!

    I think “fanboying” in general is the actual issue

    barsoap ,

    Also, are you saying you dont believe social media was manipulated to interfere with American politics?

    I sense a veritable iceberg of a conspiracy theory, there: You think Reddit and lemmy are “anti-american” so as to influence American politics?

    Pretty much anyone outside of the US doesn’t need an ulterior motive, be given money or whatever to talk shit about the US: You’re providing ample of reason and opportunity to do that as is, there’s no need to get the Russians or whoever involved. Also they’re only stoking flames (on both sides and a couple more), without a base level of idiocy they would have nothing to work with.

    Saying anything about Windows/Max doesn’t mean the commenter is fanboying.

    Why if not for that would they get a negative reaction to that here, then?

    “Aggressively fanboying” Windows or Mac doesn’t make you friends, but fanboying Linux does? You and I are definitely in different areas of CS then ha!

    …you’re in CS but not a developer or devops? You work at a soul-sucking job writing software for machinery or such that for have to run windows? Like, dunno, ATMs? And you and your colleagues developed Stockholm Syndrome?

    mob ,

    I don’t have to run windows, or anything. I can run what I want.

    But the people who shoehorn Linux into every conversation are also the ones who spend more time finding acceptance online rather than actually being “friends” with people IRL. Tbh, I have you coined for a stereotype I know and I apologize about that. I can’t help it. I just know mfers who talk like you are commenting so my bad if I attach opinions to you, I really don’t mean to. That’s why I’m trying to ask questions.

    But you do not believe social media is manipulated then, and is just a conspiracy theory? I never accused any party of being behind the manipulations and I haven’t provided any theoretical motivations. Just wondered if you believed social media is an accurate portrayal of the populations opinions.

    Also, mfers try to act superior cause they got Linux, that’s why they “get a negative reaction”. Look how you are reacting to someone just mentioning the idea of mentioning windows ha!

    barsoap ,

    Just wondered if you believed social media is an accurate portrayal of the populations opinions.

    …of the population of the people using it, mostly, yes. Of course, we’ll never know what the lurkers think. None of it should be used for statistical analysis but you’ll get a reasonable spread of opinions deemed acceptable in a particular place – for example, on lemmy you’ll be hard-pressed to find Nazis or Trumpets as no admin wants to deal with that kind of headache. Tankies, too, can be readily seen to run a manipulative agenda and they’re not entirely welcome. Frankly speaking influencing stuff just by posting is rather hard, to have to influence content discovery algorithms (which are dumb as bread in lemmy’s case and that’s good).

    Also, mfers try to act superior cause they got Linux, that’s why they “get a negative reaction”.

    Dude I’ve been running Linux as my primary desktop since the early 2000s, I’m too old for that shit. Back in the days I was a freshly-baked programmer tinkering around everywhere, by now I largely simply want a system that a) works out of the box in a sensible manner and that b) I can mess with if required. I also have a windows installation for a game or the other and the occasional testing of builds and believe me it certainly doesn’t fulfil a) and b), well, I don’t know it well enough and the documentation sucks.

    The usual context I see Linux mentioned in on lemmy is gaming, or in context of just what at shitshow Windows 11 is regarding ads and whatnot. That’s not shoehorning.

    CrypticCoffee ,

    But the people who shoehorn Linux into every conversation are also the ones who spend more time finding acceptance online rather than actually being “friends” with people IRL. Tbh, I have you coined for a stereotype I know and I apologize about that. I can’t help it. I just know mfers who talk like you are commenting so my bad if I attach opinions to you, I really don’t mean to. That’s why I’m trying to ask questions.

    Can you give an example of people shoehorning Linux into conversations? Usually the only comment I see is already on Linux, and it’s the Arch btw’s, which is a meme in itself. Maybe you need to search for subs you like, and subscribe to them, and have subscribed as the default view. All may not be your cup of tea, like all was never my cup of tea on reddit. You’re not always going to be in the majority view, and that is fine.

    the_of_and_a_to ,

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  • governorkeagan ,

    Same here — at least all of the communities I’ve interacted with

    ImpossibilityBox ,

    Curious, I’ve seen it all over lemmy. I’ve got a couple different accounts for… reasons, and on one I tried to make the point that for some demographics, like my parents/grandparents, Windows is the best OS. I was immediately berated for MANY reasons including, being a failure for not educating my family, not caring about my family’s safety, personally signing them up for the FasTrack to identity theft and scammers, and that Linux is ACTuaLLY simpler and easier to use.

    This is pretty tame compared to the piracy guys as well.

    barsoap ,

    and on one I tried to make the point that for some demographics, like my parents/grandparents, Windows is the best OS.

    Yeah you’re pretty much objectively wrong there. With OSX you could’ve had a point but Windows is a nightmare if you have to administer a box for family.

    …don’t tell me your parents and grandparents absolutely have to use 3ds Max.

    Hadriscus ,

    What’s the 3dsmax bit from ?

    barsoap ,

    It’s random software that indeed only runs on Windows. There’s not even a Mac version.

    …but it’s also software that people generally don’t use privately, and for which FLOSS alternatives exist (Blender), arguably better software and because free also used by hobbyists, and even more insanely powerful commercial software that also runs on Linux (Houdini). Frankly speaking I’m surprised that a DOS 3d software package even made it into currentyear with all that IRIX competition.

    Hadriscus ,

    I am familiar with it, I was just wondering where you pulled that from ? I didn’t see it mentioned in the OP

    Some studios depend on it because they have a whole pipeline&talent revolving around it, but hobbyists ? indeed that’s weird

    barsoap ,

    The main point is that there’s probably no Windows-only software that parents+grandparents absolutely need.

    MMbhJkpW3a3i ,

    How do you literally, literally run head-first into the point and still miss it?

    barsoap ,

    I didn’t miss it. It’s rule 386.

    ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,
    @ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Same here. Maybe I’ve found a nice echo chamber to inhabit. Back when I was mostly using Lemmy.World I saw a lot of weirdos, but for some reason migrating to a different instance seems to have solved that problem. Maybe OP just needs to find an instance that works for them.

    The_Mixer_Dude ,

    I left lemmy a few weeks ago for this reason and I come back today to see what’s up and it’s exactly as you described. We aren’t the only ones either

    HerrLewakaas ,

    Exactly. I don’t really like it here

    Arthur_Leywin ,

    Then why are you here? 🤣

    bitsplease ,

    Where else is there to go if you want a mobile friendly link aggregator?

    Arthur_Leywin ,

    Idk but if they don’t like being somewhere, then willfully going to that place is stupid to me.

    VicentAdultman ,

    Good to see your input and how many people agree with it. I kinda agree, I am one of those jerks that will pray for open source alternatives, lmao, not so for paid or social media. Still being part of majority, I agree with you. I kinda miss the christian memes from reddit, it used to take the bible and interpret in some way, not as it was written.

    As somebody said, lemmy have instances. I don’t think we are in the need to make more, but idk about that and it’s just an opinion. I think the next step is creating communities that a lot of people miss from reddit but feel they wouldn’t be welcomed due to existing communities and the current mindset in Lemmy instances.

    Thanks for the comment and saying what a lot of us have been wanting to say.

    xenoclast ,

    The problem is not a technology one, and creating a copy of the thing you hate isn’t going to get different results.

    I never expected it to be better than reddit, actually I expected it to make things much worse through increased isolation of mobs. It does.

    Only thing an individual can do is be the change they want to see and be nice to people, and resist the urge to “other” everyone they interact with.

    That said… if this is OPs lived experience we should be happy for them. They’re having a positive experience that we all want.

    ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,
    @ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    When I left Lemmy.World I stopped seeing toxic behavior on the regular. I am not sure why this is. I am following all the same communities I was before, so it’s not like I left any toxic communities. Even the hexbear people seem mostly civil now. It’s like all the crazy people left.

    Maybe you just need to find an instance that suits you?

    Here4CatPics , in I'll never not want to

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b6615277-b5bc-4359-b42c-8ca6c8897f2b.jpeg

    Munchkin is . . . Orange; and Sozin looks out for/tolerates the young one

    The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
    @The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

    Hi Munchkin and Sozin! Oranges really need a bigger cat keeping them in line.

    Here4CatPics ,

    So much so

    bentropy , in Forbes' kiss of death
    Decoy321 ,

    🤞

    Eheran ,

    EFT buyer guide hahahaha

    KevonLooney ,

    Read it again, genius.

    Eheran ,

    Ooops, never mind.

    GCostanzaStepOnMe ,

    Twink death

    Twink death

    snek , in I wish
    @snek@lemmy.world avatar

    I shit you not but one coworker I had dared call himself a data scientist and did something really similar to this but in Python and in production code. He should never have been hired. Coding in python was a requirement. I spent a good year sorting out through his spaghetti code and eventually rebuilt everything he had been working on because it was so bad that it only worked on his computer and he always pip freezes all requirements, and since he never used a virtual environment that meant we got a list of ALL packages he had installed on pip for a project. Out of those 100, only about 20 were relevant to the project.

    surewhynotlem ,

    In prod??

    Listen up folks. This is why we do code reviews. This right here.

    snek , (edited )
    @snek@lemmy.world avatar

    A few members of my team were reviewing codes but lots of PRs could be merged without tests or checks passing and only about 2 people before I joined understood what cicd is, no one else believed in its importance. They thought doing otherwise would “slow down the work precess and waste time, we know what we’re doing anyway!”.

    I learned a lot from having to implement best practices and introduce tests in teams that don’t give a fuck or were never required to do it. I’m amazed at the industry standards and fully understand why job ads keep listing git as a requirement.

    herrvogel ,

    Code reviews mean fuck all when the “senior” developer doing the review is someone who implements an entire API endpoint group in one single thousand-something lines magic function that is impossible to decipher for mere humans.

    Flax_vert ,

    That’s something I would do

    Cruxifux , in Redditor when women

    Women are a liberal lie

    lars ,

    Things that don’t exist are the stuff of conservative nightmares. This story checks out.

    Swedneck ,
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    true conservatives are extremely buff and only hang out with equally buff men at all times, including bed.

    if women existed then sleeping with them would be a profoundly beta move.

    qooqie , (edited ) in It's just that easy.

    Traveling the world spending hundreds of thousands is great and all, but have you tried exploring everything about your community? I find it far more rewarding to invest my time into my own community and learning about others that are my neighbors. My community has a wealth of people and experiences and going through that is way nicer instead of not even scratching the surface of other countries people and cultures.

    That’s why people that make videos like this tend to come off as so superficial. They never really take the time to get to know someone and invest in their life. They go, see and take what they want, and leave feeling like they’re profound and found the meaning to life.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Depends on where you live. My community really sucks (Terre Haute, Indiana), but I do a lot of regional exploration. You don’t have to travel all that far, maybe a day at most, to find new and interesting things.

    rayyyy ,

    Depends on you. My community sucks but I enjoy gardening, grafting, hiking, hunting for delicious mushrooms, bird watching, boating and building stuff. Not to mention flying and fishing.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t really like most of that, but I do like exploring diverse cultures. And I can do that if I just drive a little. Which is a hell of a lot cheaper than backpacking through Europe.

    kill_dash_nine ,

    Does Terre Haute still have that smell? Been a while since I’ve been there but when my wife was in school at ISU, I distinctly remember that funk of the wind was blowing right.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Thankfully, no. The paper plant closed down. Instead we now have a performance space that hosted Ted Nugent a couple of months ago. And we’re getting a casino for some reason.

    db2 ,

    Instead we now have a performance space that hosted Ted Nugent a couple of months ago.

    My condolences. But at least it wasn’t Trump, gotta find that silver lining where you can.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    No, but Vigo County used to be a bellwether. It voted for the winner in every election for something like 80 years. Then it went for Trump in 2020.

    Reverendender ,

    I definitely assume that this county is named for Vigo the Carpathian, the Sorrow of Moldova.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You know what annoys me? Half the people here pronounce it “Vai-go.” like rhymes with ‘eye.’ Did they not watch Ghostbusters II?

    Reverendender ,

    That’s the last straw. Time to move.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    If I only could…

    dutchkimble ,

    Just out of curiosity, do you know the name of the paper mill?

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    It was owned by International Paper.

    dutchkimble ,

    Thanks for the reply!

    SpaceNoodle ,

    I almost moved to Terrible Hole for a while … I still wound up in Indiana, though, so I guess it was moot.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Depends on where in Indiana. We grew up in Bloomington and have many friends there and it’s a decent town overall, even though it’s in Indiana, so we’d love to move there. We can’t afford a house there, but it’s a nice dream.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    Shit, prices there are skyrocketing, aren’t they. Are they trying to catch up with Seattle?

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s not Seattle bad, but you’re lucky if you can find a small house for less than half a million and our house is probably worth a third of that.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    Hey, it could be worse. It could be Bay Area bad.

    SeducingCamel ,

    Ahh terrible haute

    TigrisMorte ,

    Found the dude not in a red state!

    qooqie ,

    True, I’m also in a really diverse city within the blue state so I have access to so many cultures within my region. I can go to open events at a mosque or even at events hosted by the local synagogue or local Pakistanis or local Indians or local Chinese. So many cultures, it’s really nice and I’m very lucky.

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Sure, but even in Texas, you can drive to either Mexico or a bluer state within a day and experience more culture. And Alaska has all the indigenous culture to explore.

    imPastaSyndrome ,

    Yeah if you drove for 8 hours

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Faster than flying to Europe.

    Buffaloaf ,

    Idk, I live in a small town and I’m kinda tired of my community.

    qooqie ,

    I suppose that is something to consider. Find a city you love and can see yourself calling home for a very long time

    PatFussy , (edited )

    They also only ever go to Europe. Nobody that wants profound life changing experiences goes to Europe other than to put it on as a badge of honor that they did.

    Traveling through places like Lybia or Cambodia you are seen as some sort of humanitarian, whereas if you travel through Germany or France, you are getting a life changing experience… If you really want a life changing experience, get a minimum wage job.

    LucyLastic ,

    Protip: Live in Europe and you don’t even need to go anywhere :-)

    SubArcticTundra ,
    @SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

    If they lived in Europe their life would probably be the same level of exciting as if they had just stayed in the US

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    Nah, SEA is the new hotness for “life change” tourism

    Still pretty up and coming though since the infrastructure isn’t as well built out and foreign language accomodation isn’t as present outside of the already touristy areas, but when has the reality of a situation ever stopped a trust fund baby before?

    I think there’s still validity to globe trotting though, living international experiences will genuinely lead to better matured people, and serves as a pretty solid means of cultural diffusion, especially music and cuisine.

    As for minimum wage work, I think that’s best handled by adopting those laws Aus did specifically criminalizing karen tantrums.

    DrRatso ,

    What if I just don’t care about the people though? What if I want to see cool places and climb cool mountaints, etc?

    qooqie ,

    I think that’s pretty different then what the people in this meme tend to do

    ClaireDeLuna ,

    That’s all well and good, but my community would probably kill me eventually so…I’ll stick to not talking to them.

    ITypeWithMyDick ,

    Woman/minority/not-christian in a conservitive area?

    ClaireDeLuna ,

    Transfem atheist in the south so yes yes and yes

    psud ,

    It’s interesting to look up the tourist things in your local area and do a day trip around home - perhaps I’m spoilt though, living in a federal capital with plenty of national things

    HikingVet , (edited ) in we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas

    They are literally the people who can enact change, the fuck do they need luck for?

    Moc OP ,

    Don’t be too hard on them… I’d be wishing for luck too, if I had problems and refused to solve them

    rockSlayer ,

    It’s not that they refuse to do anything, they just refuse to do anything that would challenge the power of the capitalist class.

    GardenVarietyAnxiety ,

    Change they to we.

    Whether the goal is political action or direct action; Get organized.

    Local organizations become regional, regional become national.

    If “They” are not going to save us, “We” have to do it.

    Organize, vote, act.

    ImFresh3x ,

    So called “communists” are also contributing massively to the problem. Though one could argue they’re really just capitalist too.

    rockSlayer ,

    How are communists contributing to the problem?

    ImFresh3x ,

    China doesn’t contribute to the climate crisis or pollution etc? Hahahahahah

    Hahahaha

    rockSlayer ,

    If the rest of the first world had the same per capita consumption of China, we wouldn’t be barrelling towards the point of no return in the way we are now. A large majority of pollution in China comes from manufacturing goods for the Global North.

    ImFresh3x , (edited )

    Yes so “communist” China is a willing participant in the destruction of our planet. And seeks to benefit directly and operate in full compliance with the hyper consumerism that is getting us further and further into global disrepair. Got it. Glad we agree.

    Chariotwheel ,

    Hoping that the situation solves itself without having to make hard decisions or, Gott bewahre, sacrifices.

    Blackmist ,

    “We all know what to do, but we don’t know how to get re-elected once we have done it.”

    Career politicians are a cancer.

    SlopppyEngineer ,

    There are Rules for Rulers. In the background there are always nobels, clergy, bankers, businessmen, military and the common folk each with their own demands and reasons to pressure or remove the ruler of their demands are not met.

    There are a enough examples of leaders trying to change too much and being assassinated. Although these days that’s more killed in the media.

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