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Chadus_Maximus ,

If it’s impossible to consistently make good songs. Even an artist whom a person loves will at best make 20% of their songs worth listening to. In a 1 hour set, usually 1-2 songs are worth saving into the library. Anyone who says stuff like “I love this artist’s album” is full of crap.

boogetyboo ,
@boogetyboo@aussie.zone avatar

… Have you really never enjoyed an entire album? I’m not sure I believe you?

SwingingTheLamp ,

That’s very sad to hear. I have lots of albums that I love all the way through, and although I am full of crap, I’ll have you know that that is a natural biological process.

all-knight-party ,
@all-knight-party@kbin.run avatar

I actually have a playlist called The Bucket List which is only comprised of entire albums where there's not a single filler track in there, in my opinion, of course

demoman ,

There are dozens of albums that I love cover to cover.

DrSteveBrule ,

Even if only 20% of songs made are worth listening to, artists don’t release every song they make

eezeebee ,
@eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

I think you haven’t listened to enough albums. Also, a set and an album are two different things.

schwim ,

When people complain about new music not living up to old, it just means they’ve quit exploring and form their prejudices on the pop genre they hear, which has always been the lowest hanging song on the tree.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

absolute truth right here. I used to be like that, “Brehh Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd and Queen were the last good bands”. Looking back I was such a tool. First because it’s such a douche thing to belittle people for their music preference, and second because there is a ton of a great music. Now I can say I’m honestly a huge swiftie and I like a ton of music across several decades.

We have the most variety of music in history right now. To say “I don’t like new music” is absurd, and you’re exactly right, just means they just don’t even try.

Alto ,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

I think survivorship bias plays into it as well. Yeah, most the stuff on the radio today is kinda meh. Most the stuff on the radio in those days was kinda meh too. All the meh songs got forgotten, and you only remember the bangers. You've already seen it happen to 00s music and we're watching it happen with the 10s.

But yeah, it's wild how many people look at how accessible different types of music are now and just... don't go looking.

pingveno ,

For so many artists, they’ll have a single hit that survived the test of time and most that didn’t. We hear the one song that not only topped the charts but continued to be remembered. I tried going back to the top 100 songs of the 50’s. Some of them are good (Hound Dog), but others frankly just aren’t very good. Contrast that with the modern day, I had a neighbor growing up who is a professional singer who has better original songs.

Then you just get the factor of time itself. Old includes all surviving music before the present day. When you have centuries of music (if not more),

TORFdot0 ,

As an unpopular opinion on the other end, it’s ok to stop participating in pop culture. Pop music, Blockbuster movies, and TV are all meant to sell consumerism to young people with disposable incomes. Not to people who are bogged down by kids and mortgages.

New media isn’t made for your tastes, so unless you make an effort to change your tastes to those of the current generation of young people, new media will never be seen as good enough by you

jjjalljs ,

I think there’s an important difference between “there is no new good music” and “I don’t like any new music”.

The former is making a broad proclamation. The latter is keeping it limited to your personal experience, even if phrased a little sloppily.

Though I guess you could argue people saying the former really mean the latter and are just communicating kind of badly.

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

Doesn’t this usually refer to music on the radio? I think most people understand that there’s lots of good music if you look for it, but the problem is the “popular” music is getting more and more formulaic

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

The thing is, I don’t want to have to look for it. Growing up I could turn on the radio and hear amazing music on pretty much any popular channel. Depeche Mode, Billy Idol, David Bowie, REM, XTC, Goo Goo Dolls, En Vogue, Green Day, Alanis Morrissette, Boyz II Men, Sarah MacLachlan, and so many others. It was a preponderance of great music with some shitty stuff interspersed.

bjvanst ,

Growing up, everything you heard was new to you. An experience. People older than you was saying the same shit about the music you were enjoying at the time. That’s how it goes.

xmunk ,

Bands that title their album random symbols (or a series of them) are assholes.

I’m looking at KMFDM (can’t even encode “symbols” accurately) and Justice (their first album, often called latin cross). Both great albums that suffer from fucking horrible visibility because of their shit names.

Lifecoach5000 ,

What?? KMFDM back in the 90s were groundbreaking with their name and album art alone. Very stylized, nihilistic vibes aesthetically when I would see their albums in the record store - even before I ever listened to them. Hell, I even shoplifted a cassette tape from Camelot Records when I was a teenager just cuz I was so intrigued as to what this band was about.

You’ve awakened my “old man yells at cloud” vibes with this one.

xmunk ,

Hey, both the bands I mentioned are awesome - I just object to the symbolic naming of albums. If you read “KMFDM’s Symbols album” and knew exactly what I’m talking about then you’re part of an in-group and everyone not in that in group standing with us in a record store in the 90s wouldn’t have a clue which album we were talking about… if we were talking about the album over lunch and they went to a record shop to pick up a copy they wouldn’t be able to find it without awkwardly asking a clerk.

Obscure symbol album names create elitism that we don’t need - you could easily find Nirvana’s Nevermind but by naming their album… that untranscribable string of symbols they made it less accessible to new listeners.

zod000 ,

Everyone calls it “KMFDM - symbols” for a reason. I agree only in that it drives me insane when I would rip CDs and have to deal with trying to figure out what to name them. Also, fuck Leæther Strip for their stupid “æ” in the name.

ghost_of_faso2 ,
@ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml avatar

noise music is unironically great and the justified reponse to capitalism ruining music

jjjalljs ,

“the Beatles are overrated” is a poorly defined statement often made by people who give the impression they want to be seen as an iconoclast of some sort.

Ok. Overrated on what metrics? Historical impact? Popularity at the time? Popularity now?

“I don’t like the Beatles’ music” is probably closer to what people mean, and that’s fine. I rarely listen to them on purpose. But the whole “I don’t like them, and neither should you” thing is kind of insufferable.

0_0j ,
@0_0j@lemmy.world avatar

TBH people listened to these Beatles high on acid. And somehow the radio stations where persuaded to play their songs more frequent.

Perfect recipe for verse rush

Default_Defect ,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

I generally assume that “popular thing is overrated” is generally said just to troll people. At least, I like to dog on things that are popular that I’m not in to just to get a raise out of people that can’t accept any criticism of their thing.

GrayBackgroundMusic ,

When I say they’re overrated, I mean I don’t understand why they’re so popular. They’re not bad but they’re not that good, either. I don’t understand the praise lauded on them. It’s too much relative to their quality.

I can understand if someone loves them in their time. For example, Nirvana was absolutely amazing in their time. However, it’s been 30 years and that sound is a lot more mainstream, but in their day, they were breaking new ground.

But my kids age? Why do people think they’re that good?

Totemdeath ,

As a comedy music act, Ray Stevens should get into the Rock and Roll HoF before Weird AL Yankovic

lazylion_ca ,

Same for Gwar.

DavidDoesLemmy ,
@DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone avatar

The best AI music is better than most human music of the last few years.

laughterlaughter ,

Example…?

NickwithaC ,
@NickwithaC@lemmy.world avatar

youtube.com/watch?v=nXZQlulWmIQ

laughterlaughter ,

lol

twei ,

youtu.be/wPlOYPGMRws

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

The Beatles are pretty lowbrow compared to the hype given to them which is based mostly on charisma instead. If they made their song debuts on The Masked Singer, not nearly as many people would be particularly drawn to them.

SwingingTheLamp ,

I say that if you want to appreciate the Beatles for the first time in 2024, spend a solid month listening to nothing but popular music from the 1950’s (and earlier), then put on one of their albums.

The older music is fine and enjoyable, but you’ll hear why, the Beatles still get regular airplay today, and e.g. Pat Boone does not.

shinigamiookamiryuu ,

If that’s the reason, where does the idolization come from? Even as human individuals, the Beatles members are worshipped to the point they can save a dying business by talking about it. It’s suggestive of the fact there’s some unspoken gimmick at play.

SwingingTheLamp ,

My take is that people value music both for the music itself, and for the social identity that comes from how we relate to it. The Beatles benefited from Beatlemania back in the day, which was the same as the Swifties phenomenon today: a social-identity group of fans. There might have been better bands in the early '60s, but the music of the Beatles was really quite good, and still holds its own today. Tons of great music has come along since then, so the Beatles catalogue no longer stands out, but they still benefit from the social-identity hype of Beatlemania, and are still revered because they were (lucky enough to get to be) pop-music pioneers.

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Modern electronic music is the spiritual successor to classical music (and modern-day “classical” compositions are just rehashes).

ghost_towels ,

I can get down with this.

TheImpressiveX ,
@TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml avatar

Modern electronic music is the spiritual successor to classical music

I don’t disagree, but can you explain your reasoning behind this?

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Mostly because electronic music is made by a single composer and that the performance by the musicians itself is not as central to the composition.

And that Mozart would be probably making electronic music if he was born in this era.

rishado ,

Upvoted because of bad/unpopular opinion, don’t agree at all.

folkrav ,

performance by the musicians itself is not as central to the composition

Extremely debatable. With Renaissance and Romanticism came the cult of personality around celebrities. Lisztomania basically mirrored Beatlemania but for the virtuoso Hungarian pianist and composer, in the mid 1800s. Haydn and Paganini reportedly had a rather large female followings who weren’t really interested in their knack for musical harmony. IIRC, there are accounts of Mozart indulging in the lifestyle of a young royal composer with some renown.

I don’t know if he’d be making electronic music, honestly. Mozart broke so many of his contemporary musical rules, with all that has been invented since, I find it hard to believe he’d limit himself to it. Maybe progressive/experimental stuff ala Aphex Twin lol?

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

The composers are usually not the musicians though when it comes to classical music, especially since most of the composers are already dead 🤪

But just imagine a Beatles cover band becoming more famous than the Beatles themselves. Something like is common when it comes to orchestras that play classical music though.

Sure, there is some personality cult around famous conductors and so on, but that is really more comparable to DJs that remix but do not compose their own electronic music.

folkrav , (edited )

I mean, of course it’s gonna be interprets nowadays if the composers are dead, but composers were also often musicians or directors for their own music when they were alive 🤷‍♂️ It’s very difficult to play multiple instruments by yourself to hear your own composition when multitrack audio recording wasn’t a thing lol

A more accurate equivalence for the Beatles cover band would be if they were from year 2187 and all of The Beatles’ recordings were lost to time, which wouldn’t be particularly weird at this point, considering nobody alive in this year would remember what hearing The Beatles was like.

I guess if you’re talking about classical music as we live it now the comparison kind of makes sense, but “classical music” means so many things, spanning a couple centuries through multiple countries and waves - e.g. Bach, Mozart and Glass barely have anything to do with each other.

Mozart would probably go fucking nuts looking at modern notation software like Sibelius/MuseScore/Dorico tho lol

space_of_eights ,

I upvoted you, but you are not entirely right in my opinion.

Not all classical music is created equal. I am quite convinced that if J.S. Bach had lived today, he would make music like Squarepusher. However, somebody like Gustav Holst would probably be in some kind of doom metal or progressive metal.

Zahille7 ,

Thoughts on Ummet Ozcan?

JASN_DE ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6791b9bf-70c2-4a44-aded-a4d401ece73a.jpeg

neidu2 , (edited )

Nickleback - Silver Side Up is a pretty decent album. Sure, that song is annoying and extremely overplayed, but I quite like the rest of the album.

I must admit that beyond that particular album I don’t know much about them, so if you claim that the rest of their discography is garbage, I’ll take your word for it.

AmosBurton_ThatGuy ,
@AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca avatar

IMO early Nickleback up to about the early/mid 2000s was awesome, I still listen to their older stuff once in a while. Someday is their best song IMO and its from the late 90s (I think?)

anton2492 ,

I discovered them through “Savin’ Me” and I unironically love that song (and its music video) to bits. Even if some of the lyrics are a bit flimsy and dramatic, the song overall is so emotionally powerful. Same goes for “Hero” (packaged with the first Spidey movie). Strip away some of the ear candy in the Kroeger production and they both still hold up as beautiful songs.

AFC1886VCC ,

“Savin’ me” is a great song! “Far Away” is a great soppy love song as well.

Nickleback have nothing groundbreaking, but they have some enjoyable radio-friendly rock songs.

muzzle ,

Coldplay are boring

13esq ,

Not an unpopular opinion

muzzle ,

Really? I’m glad someone shares it, but I’m not sure how many of us there are given how often I happen to hear their songs around.

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Played often on radio is not a measure of people living or hating it, just that it’s generally unobjectionable and ok. Aside from people who hate that measure of 'popularity’in the first place there will be more people who have rains to hate that artist as it’s ubiquitous.

If you hate it you will hate it a lot as you get constantly recorded to it without asking for it.

Hukka ,

There is very little bad music in the world, only wrong ways to “music” to it. Some is meant to be listened to, some danced to, some bonded over to, some created and some thought about.

ghost_of_faso2 ,
@ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml avatar

its all about the context of how you listen to it as much as the music itself, there is no bad art, just bad listeners.

velvetThunder ,

I like music with almost pornographic music videos that hit different on mute.

kubica ,
@kubica@kbin.social avatar

I just don't listen to Ska because never feels like the time. But whenever I've heard it I've actually liked it.

Zahille7 , (edited )

I literally always have the time to listen to The Impression That I Get by The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, and so should you!

lemonmelon ,

No? Well…

octopus_ink ,

I really want to like Ska, and I really like nearly the entirety of this album, but whenever I try to branch out from there I come up dry with anything I really enjoy.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Modern music slaps. Just gotta find the right albums.

residentmarchant , (edited )

Care to share some of your favorites?

One of my favorites recently has been Djesse Vol. 4 by Jacob Collier

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Depends on how new you want it, but Rime of Memory by Panopticon is great.

Fizz ,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

There’s people on spotify with less than 5000 monthly listeners pumping out music so good it would have topped charts 10 years ago. The quality and talent of artists these days is insane.

laughterlaughter ,

These days? This has always been the case. I remember downloading mp3s from unknowns who offered their music for free in the internet on the early 2000s. Great music.

Wes4Humanity ,

I generally don’t have any interest in music… I mean, is fine some of the time, but I certainly wouldn’t go out of my way for it. I also don’t think it should be allowed as “background noise” in public places. It can have profound effects on your mood without you even realizing it’s happening.

TeryVeneno ,

I can’t even remember how many times the wrong music as background noise has screwed with my mood for no reason

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