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Why stand in line to board an airplane?

The seats are assigned. People have been standing in line for 15 minutes now. Why on earth would anyone want to stand there, when they could just sit and wait until the line clears?

I understand wanting to get off a plane ASAP, but boarding? You just end up sitting on the plane, waiting for everyone else to get on.

jordanlund ,
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Limited overhead space. If you wait, you increase the chance there won’t be room for your overhead bag.

SkyezOpen ,

The real answer. I sometimes have a laptop in my carry on. I’ll be fucked if I’m going to hand it over to the savages on the tarmac.

dingus ,

A lot of airlines nowadays seem to charge extra for a carry on than they do a checked bag. So I tend to bring one checked bag and one small backpack that can fit under the seat, which isn’t classified as a carry on.

SkyezOpen ,

Yup yup, carry on and personal item. You can live for a week out of that. Plus no wait at the baggage claim, and no risk of the airline stealing or breaking your stuff.

KevonLooney ,

It’s illegal to put a lithium battery in your checked luggage anyway.

Appoxo ,
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*over a percentage of weight or wh rating

hikaru755 ,

That’s only for cabin luggage. In checked luggage, Lithium Ion batteries are completely banned. If a battery bursts into flames in the cabin, it can be handled with hopefully minimal damage. You do not want that to happen in the belly of the plane packed in closely between everyone else’s luggage with no way of getting it contained until the planes lands.

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Well no because it depends on the airline.
I just checked an airline (Lufthansa) and they allow it for checked luggage up to 100Wh though do not recommend it.
Anything 100-160wh requires a permit from Lufthansa.

hikaru755 ,

Interesting, that seems kinda unsafe to me. The one I checked was Ryanair, they fully prohibit batteries in checked luggage

KevonLooney ,

No, it doesn’t depend on the airline. In the US, the TSA banned all lithium batteries in checked baggage:

tsa.gov/…/lithium-batteries-more-100-watt-hours

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Okay, I am willing to argue:
German Luftfahr Bundesamt (Federal Airfare) allows up to 100Wh of Li-Ion in checked baggage: www.lba.de/DE/…/Elektronische_Geraete.html

Both hand and checked baggage:

In jedem Fall (ob aufgegebenes oder Handgepäck) ist aber zu beachten, dass jede Batterie dabei die folgenden Grenzwerte nicht überschreiten darf:

Bei Lithium-Metall-Batterien, ein Lithiumgehalt von 2 Gramm.
Lithium-Ionen-Batterien eine Nennenergie von 100 Wh

Anything else you wanna argue is not true?

Also Lufthansa: Baggage battery restrictions.pdf
And Eurowings: Restrictions dangerous goods
Condor prohibits anything more than a smartphone: Condor restrictions

Anyway I think I made my point: It depends on the airline.
So go check with them if you travel!

Catsrules ,

No that is saying all spare uninstalled batteries

Spare (uninstalled) lithium ion and lithium metal batteries, including power banks and cell phone battery charging cases, must be carried in carry-on baggage only.

Here is it talking about built in

faa.gov/…/portable-electronic-devices-with-batter…

When portable electronic devices powered by lithium batteries are in checked baggage, they must be completely powered off and protected to prevent unintentional activation or damage.

Sounds like it is ok as long as they are powered off.

KevonLooney ,

I read that page too. They also say:

Devices containing lithium metal or lithium ion batteries (laptops, smartphones, tablets, etc.) should be carried in carry-on baggage

So it’s not “ok”, but they probably don’t want to deal with arresting people for it.

Catsrules ,

Yeah but at the end it said

Most consumer personal electronic devices containing batteries are allowed in carry-on and checked baggage, including but not limited to cell phones, smart phones, data loggers, PDAs, electronic games, tablets, laptop computers, cameras, camcorders, watches, calculators, etc. This covers typical dry cell batteries, lithium metal, and lithium ion batteries for consumer electronics (AA, AAA, C, D, button cell, camera batteries, laptop batteries, etc.)

So it seems like they would prefer them to be on a carry-on but there isn’t a rule against it.

Aceticon ,

If you have it in a backpack you can put it under the seat in front of you unless you’re in a front seat or one next to an overwing emergency exit.

This is all officially allowed and I’ve used it plenty of times.

wewbull ,

Bags on the floor take what little space there is for my feet.

Aceticon ,

True, it can be a tradeof, depending on the length of one’s legs.

villainy ,

Once I’m in the air my backpack goes from under the seat to under my knees. Then I can stick my feet under the seat for that extra few inches of stretch. It’s not a whole lot but it does help.

teawrecks ,

From the airline’s point of view, having the next person right there ready to get in their seat is preferable to having everyone come up one at a time. This is why they have boarding groups. You usually see between 3 and 5 boarding groups because it’s a reasonable number between 1 and N (N being the total number of passengers). I’m curious how ~10 boarding groups would fare, but presumably there’s a reason airlines don’t do that.

Elorie ,

Unless you need/like to stand before takeoff, I don’t see the point. I don’t mind if people do, as long as they are polite.

Bag space woes? It’s real, but seriously see what you can do without. I fly for work at least once a month and I’m a pro one bagger for trips of 4 days or less; more if I’m doing summer weight clothes. It means I rewear things if they are clean and sometimes wash clothes in my hotel, but damn does it make travel easy.

Checked bag fees suck. Be the first to volunteer to gate check. I can only recall one flight in the last few months where an announcement wasn’t made. The bag is waiting at the destination gate so you don’t even have to handle bag claim. I do it every time I travel.

w3dd1e ,

Not all airlines assign seats. I learned this last year. Southwest doesn’t assign seats but you get assigned groups for boarding. You can probably pay for earlier groups but I don’t know, I wasn’t the one who purchased the tickets directly.

Anyways, you line up in order of your boarding assignment. The earlier you get on the plane the better seat you get.

I hated it. Just assign seats.

Elorie ,

This is why I won’t fly Southwest unless I have no other choice. Nice planes and otherwise lovely flight experience; shame about the seat policy. Every time I’ve tried, it’s a confused mess of pushy or perplexed people in line, and I end up completely annoyed before takeoff.

On the flip side, it’s free birth control. 😋

I’d rather sit and knit until my group is called and stroll up without rushing as I know exactly where I’m sitting. I watch people stress. SMH

w3dd1e ,

Yeah, it wasn’t so bad except for the boarding. But I’m with you. I don’t want to rush to be crammed into a can of sardines any longer than I have to be.

thoro ,

The no seat assignments policy on SW is awesome. You literally just check in on time to get on the earlier groups through a mobile app. Click a button 24 hrs before your flight. Boom you’re in group A. B at worst. It’s straight first come first served. At worst, you can pay $25 extra for the early bird to be in the A group and not stress about check in. Then then line you up based on your spot, and you just walk on and pick which seat you want. Plus SW doesn’t charge you to check a bag.

Egalitarian shit. None of this class based, money grubbing crap. Those types of policies are the reason we have “fast passes” at airports now and then of course then even faster “fast passes”.

Other airlines are also charging you after your tickets to choose your seats and they charge more based on the seat. And charging for bags. And everything else.

Assigned seats also ruined the theater experience for the same reasons.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Assigned seats also ruined the theater experience for the same reasons.

Have to disagree with you on this one.

I love being able to choose what seat in a theater I’m purchasing, versus if it’s a full theater first come first served and you end up getting a horrible side or front row seat.

I’d rather skip a showing and go to a later showing with a more favorable seating arrangement, and having assigned seating allows me to have that.

laurelraven ,

I actually kind of dislike the assigned seating at movie theaters myself. It now doesn’t matter if i go early, the theater might already be nearly booked. The only way around this is to either make two trips to the theater or pay extra to buy online.

On the other hand, it does eliminate any rush to get there early once you have the ticket

CosmicCleric ,
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I actually kind of dislike the assigned seating at movie theaters myself. It now doesn’t matter if i go early, the theater might already be nearly booked. The only way around this is to either make two trips to the theater or pay extra to buy online.

I’m kind of confused why you don’t just call or check their website from home and reserve the seating, versus going down there in the first place?

If they’re full you’ve saved yourself a trip going down there to reserve seating, when you can do it from home online or via the phone. And I’ve never had a situation where I’ve had to pay extra for the seats, doing it over the phone or online.

On the other hand, it does eliminate any rush to get there early once you have the ticket

Yep, makes it really stress-free. You just walk in there and walk through the front door and just sit down in your seats.

laurelraven ,

Honestly, if they didn’t charge extra I’d probably not be so annoyed, but the theaters around me all add like a $3 “convenience” fee for booking online, which is complete bs since it’s actually saving them money not needing to keep as many people working

Capitalists will capitalist, though

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, extra fees to do that would suck like a vacuum cleaner set to high. Try letting the manager of the theater know that its b.s. to do that, you never know.

I actually got my local theater (long time ago) to stop having commercials shown after the lights go down, by talking to him (I’m not paying to watch commercials argument, basically).

thoro ,

Assigned seats mean you can hardly just ad hoc decide to see a movie nowadays. You basically have to plan it out. Used to be “hey let’s see the showing at 6. Ok let’s get there at 5:30 then.” Now, you go look and people already took the best seats and shows up mid preview. Or people buying literally all the seats weeks ahead of time for blockbusters.

How fun.

I haven’t seen any blockbuster on opening weekend in probably over a decade because I know the good seats are already purchased.

Also, the seating maps aren’t great.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Assigned seats mean you can hardly just ad hoc decide to see a movie nowadays.

That’s not true. You can still ad hoc it.

At the time you want to go to the theater you just go, and when you buy your tickets you choose from whatever seats are available.

I don’t see how that’s any different than if you just walked up to the theater and bought tickets and got in the first come first serve line for seating.

thoro ,

The difference is that before you walked up and got in line or got in early enough that you walk in and choose your seats. And your position was based on your arrival order. Now, you walk up and sorry all seats but the front were bought up and no they aren’t here yet of course. Why would they be? It used to be you just timed it so you got there 30/45 minutes before the start.

I’m just yelling at clouds honestly. It’s not that big a thing, and I reserve seats nowadays often, but mostly because I basically have to. Also, theaters are only ever crowded enough to care during tent pole releases and nowadays I just wait a few weekends.

I just find the social contact of getting to the venue when an event takes place early/on time to get your pick a better experience than choosing a seat on an app early. Probably a condition from growing up pre reservations.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Now, you walk up and sorry all seats but the front were bought up and no they aren’t here yet of course.

Fair enough, thought I’d argue that was still first-come-first served, but I get your point.

Sir_Kevin ,
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These same people will all stand up at once the moment the plane stops… and continue to uncomfortably stand there for like twenty minutes.

On my last flight my gf sprung up and was irritated that I wasn’t doing the same. Like where the fuck you going to go? One foot to the left? Just, why? I’m chillin.

bradorsomething ,

I stand up to stretch my muscles, mostly.

feebl ,

You can stand during the flight?

RGB3x3 ,

Not if you’re in a middle or window seat. It’s kinda rude to make one or two people constantly get up and down.

Dirk ,
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This is why I only book aisle seats. I have more leg room and I can stand up ad sit down quickly without disturbing others in my row.

Aceticon ,

Short-haul: window seat for the view. Long-haul: aisle seat for the comfort.

OhmsLawn OP ,

Yeah, no. I’ll stand up right away, help people around me reach their luggage, along with getting ours down and prepared to roll. Nobody behind me on the plane is going to appreciate it I’m fumbling around with my bags while they’re trying to get off.

jadedwench ,

I will happily defend you on this point. Down vote away people. As long as you don’t shove past the rows in front of you or bonk me with luggage, we good. I try to remember the passengers who had to store luggage father back and see if I can get it passed forward. I will totally boss people to sit back down if someone needs to get to the front ASAP due to close connections. If it is going to be a while, I will try to grab my backpack and sit back down.

Now, people with oversized rollerboards? Yeah. I get pretty irritated over that and the vast number of issues that causes with boarding and deplaning. The airlines make it worse with price hikes. I personally check all of my luggage and rarely run into issues. If I have any major concerns I will throw a couple things into a bag that will fit under my seat or FedEx it if we are really going there.

CaptPretentious ,

I didn’t used too get in line. But I’ve had a number of times someone took to much carry on (how I don’t know) and took all of the overhead space, refused to fix it, and the airline didn’t give a fuck either.

cyberpunk007 ,

This is why I do. I typically just take a small bag for under the seat and a small carry on suitcase. Some people have so much shit, usually after a long flight the last thing you want is to be the last person off the plane because your carry on is 8 rows behind you.

WanderingCat ,

For me it’s the last chance to stand for a while. If I’m going to be sitting in a cramped seat for 2+ hours then you bet I’m going to be standing before hand. So the if I’m standing then I might as well be in line.

mirisgaiss ,

came here today exactly this.

feebl ,

You can stand while the plane is flying?

WanderingCat ,

Yes but that’s not ideal for a nervous flyer, or being in a window seat. It’s easier to just stand at the airport.

feebl ,

Fair enough.

Ultragigagigantic ,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

CGP Grey has a good video on a better way to board planes.

TinklesMcPoo ,

I know he acknowledges the capitalistic barrier to this solution but the other issue I see most often are folks simply not being there by boarding time. These methods all assume you would have everyone ready to board in their respective groups at once. I would imagine that throwing a few folks out of order in even the modified Steffen approach could bring down the theoretical time by quote a bit.

I like Bill Burrs stance as well

SuperCub ,

I think the reason people aren’t there at their zone’s boarding time is because they only print the initial boarding time on the ticket and just wing it after that.

Professorozone ,

Yup, exactly what I think. So I used to sit in the gate area until the last possible moment until I found out that if you wait too long, they’ll give away your seat. Plus since they are charging people for checking luggage through, you have to get that overhead bin before it’s gone, unless your carry-on fits in front of you, which it doesn’t if you’re on a bulkhead. So, now I stand in line, frustrated by that and all the other crap we have to go through when traveling by plane these days. Looking at you TSA.

stringere ,

I was a flight attendant with TWA, so take this as what it is: advice from 20+ years ago.

If all the overhead bins are full they will gate check your bag; tag it, send it down the external stairs of the jetway, and it will go in the belly with the other checked luggage.

Dempf ,

Yes, this is also true if you board the plane and your luggage doesn’t fit (for example, regional flights on a CRJ or ERJ). As long as it’s within the airline’s policy for carry-ons, they’ll gate check it for free.

Professorozone ,

Yeah, I thought about that, but I once saw someone bring something too large on the plane and the flight attendant told the person it would have to be checked(at cost). Maybe the guy pissed her off, I don’t know.

stringere ,

If their “carry on” does not meet the size restrictions they absolutely will gate check it at cost. That’s their fault not listening or reading bag size restrictions orbwillfully ignoring them in hopes of forcing an oversize bag into the overhead.

treadful ,
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https://media1.tenor.com/m/ihohWsIjTCcAAAAd/mr-burns-door.gif

Alexstarfire ,

So what you’re saying is, I’m indestructible.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, no, no, and in fact, even a slight breeze could be…

Alexstarfire ,

Indestructible

Conyak ,

If you have a bag to put in the overhead compartment then you want to get on sooner since the space is limited. I personally only ever take a bag that can go under the seat. I wait until everyone has boarded regardless of my group.

spudsrus ,

This is the correct answer. If I’m on an overseas holiday I’m usually carrying an extra bag of medication.

If I wait I run the risk of no storage space near me and it getting stored away from me

GuitarAbuser ,

Standing in line brings me joy

harrys_balzac ,

Found the Brit.

MrBusiness ,

https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/f700bd12-740b-4169-8b90-637f4325d670.webp

BaroqBard ,

Big issue for musicians. Many of us have instruments that are just small enough to be carry-ons but just large enough to be a bit unwieldy compared to other carry-ons, so nabbing primo carry-on storage is a must.

lanolinoil ,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

The sooner I get to my seat the sooner I’m out of the god damned airport and can begin whatever escapism I’ve chosen for the flight. The thing I truly hate is the airport and being in it.

schnurrito ,

Especially if that “escapism” is sleeping

lanolinoil ,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

I wish – I can’t really sleep on flights oddly but I can fall asleep instantaneously almost everywhere else.

xmunk ,

Because airlines have hiked the cost of checked luggage to absurd levels so a large number of people have roller suitcase carryons. I have a small messenger bag I travel with that’s soft-sided and I want to get on early so I can make sure it’s over my head in case some asshole tries to cram their bag in over mine.

TBi ,

One airline now charges for carry on. Checking in a small bag is free!

xmunk ,

Who is that? I want to give them all my fucking money.

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