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abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

I don’t quite understand the issue here. The tap water is still free and doesn’t require anything, just press the button. They added an extra feature that is paid, which requires maintenance and power to run. I can see how it could be paid by the venue hosting this device, but you can’t really blame the provider.

nekusoul ,
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

Personally it’s the part where it requires an app and a subscription with no option to just insert a damn coin. Apart from being needlessly complex it also shuts out people who don’t have a smartphone or don’t want to install random crap.

deadsenator ,
@deadsenator@lemmy.ca avatar

It is the app that makes them the sweet money. It will scrape your device for useful information (which you agreed was a-okay in the TOS simply by installing) and then sell that data multiple times over. This is why companies want an app for every damn thing.

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

Apps can’t “scrape your device for useful information”. Modern apps are sandboxed and only have access to what you gave them permission to. Usually, they just gather the information from within the app. What you clicked, when you clicked, why you clicked, etc. If you give the app permission to location data and contacts, then they’ll grab those, too, but you always have the option not to.

This is why companies, like Google, Amazon, Meta, try to push their own devices, they can have full access to your data.

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

Sure, it’s a fair criticism that they are trying to push a subscription. Coin is a little archaic, I personally never even have cash with me, but they could have an NFC tap for a single purchase.

But their subscription approach also makes sense and would benefit some frequent visitors. I assume it means you can use the subscription on all of their machines. And there’s simply no easy way of doing that other than using an app. Could be a web app with QR code, I suppose.

nekusoul ,
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

Yup, it’s the lack of options that’s bothering me. It’s either tap water or a full blown app+subscription, nothing inbetween.

The reason I mentioned coins is because I think that cash should always remain an option even though I’m personally almost always using digital payments as well.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

when you see shit like this you are morally obligated to make them lose money

intensely_human ,

Yeah when someone offers you free drinking water, they deserve to be punished for it.

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

The downvotes you got are the punishment for being illiterate

Flax_vert ,

Is this real

SlopppyEngineer ,

The scary thing is that you can’t tell anymore

Flax_vert ,

Yeah ☹️

son_named_bort ,

It was. The company went under in 2019 and nothing of value was lost.

Flax_vert ,

I wonder why they went under. Wasn’t that the same era as juicero? The bag squeezer

intensely_human ,

Yes the capitalist dystopia is when some company provides free water to people, so they can make money on a refrigeration upsell.

The horror.

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

“Provides free water to people” is an amazing way to pretend they’re doing something valuable instead of inventing drinking fountains with a subscription.

lemmylommy ,

I would rather take the tap water than trust the maintenance of whatever filter they put in there.

treadful ,
@treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

But then you’ll miss out on the extra microplastics!

Death_Equity ,

My balls are full, despite my best efforts.

librejoe ,

Maybe that’s why my balls are the size of tennis balls (no they are not inflamed I’ve had them checked)

librejoe ,

i find it weird people don’t drink tap water, but i live in toronto so our tapwater is safe.

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

In America, tap water is either “Fine, maybe a little odd if you’re used to bottle water, but probably fine.” to “It’s not safe to drink this shit.”

snowsuit2654 ,
@snowsuit2654@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah I grew up trusting my local tap water which I drank regularly, and then I saw what happened in Flint and I became a little more wary. I always filter my water at home now.

skyspydude1 ,

You can typically look up your city’s water test results and see what’s in there or do your own testing. The vast majority of municipal water is plenty safe, and most issues with stuff like elevated lead come from the home/building itself, not the municipality.

librejoe ,

This. Unless there is fracking happening near your water supply, check your city/county water reports.

Death_Equity ,

Drinks water from gallon jugs because the faucet spews well water from limestone near an oil refinery

I know people who can’t tell the difference between the well and spring water, they are not my homies.

MystikIncarnate ,

I can tell the difference between my cities perfectly adequate and safe tap water, and water that’s from a Brita.

There’s literally nothing wrong with my tap water at all. I use a Brita because I don’t like the taste of my tap water.

I know exactly zero other people who can tell the difference.

Trainguyrom ,

I started using a water filter because my cities water reeked of chlorine. Funnily enough a few months later a job listing appeared for a new water facility person and the water has not since smelled nor tasted bad, and that was about 5 years ago now

librejoe ,

There’s some natural springs here in Ontario, and people claim nothing beats it taste wise.

Malfeasant ,

I live in the Phoenix area. Our tap water won’t kill you, but it tastes nasty. That’s because aside from the hardness, it’s so full of chlorine to kill the bacteria, amoebas, and fungus that might kill you otherwise, it’s like drinking swimming pool water. Anyone who can afford it has a reverse osmosis filter for drinking water. Anyone who can’t afford it buys bottled water, which is probably why they can’t afford the filter…

librejoe ,

Protip: if it’s only chlorine and not chloramine you can gas it off. Fill a jug in the fridge and let it sit. Chloramine won’t allow this to happen because ammonia has been bonded to the chloride to make it stable i.e last longer in transport to customers. If that still makes it taste bad, I guess a filter or Brita type device is all I can say. Bottled water is horrible for you.

Malfeasant ,

Yeah, letting it gas out works for the chlorine taste, but it still tastes funky, likely due to minerals so I’m fine with my RO.

buddascrayon ,

You actually can use a Brita and similar filter system for that. Here’s a pretty comprehensive video review of retail filters that one can buy. Had some fairly surprising results. And this guy is coming from your area as well.

youtu.be/HeRGnHuYol8?feature=shared

Malfeasant ,

Oh I have RO, one of the first things I put in when I bought the house, and already had to replace it once, the last one took really obscure filters that were hard to find, it ended up being simpler to replace the thing with one that took more common replacement filters. And I’ve tried more ordinary filters, it makes it better, but it still tastes funky, I prefer RO.

melbaboutown , (edited )

That’s how corporations nickel and dime you. I resist subscription services almost completely (I pay for cloud backup storage for my phone in case of breakage/theft and that’s it) because as well as being a constant financial drain they inevitably degrade and enshittify, often even removing things you paid for

CaptDust , (edited )

“Your water subscription has increased by $1, thanks for being our customer. Reminder, creation of public fountains and bottle sharing activities are punishable by law!”

You sigh and delete the email. They send out the same message every month.

melbaboutown ,

Damn, Power And Water cracked down on bottle-sharing now? /s

xia ,

REEEEEE

Duamerthrax ,

At that rate, I’ll just go outside and drink from the hose.

deadsenator ,
@deadsenator@lemmy.ca avatar

Just let it flow for a minute or two to reduce the intake of those nasty hose chemicals.

FunderPants ,

And flush out the earwigs

librejoe ,

no way, free protien!

LemmyFeed ,

Nah that hose taste hits different.

Death_Equity ,

Taste like adolescence in the 90s.

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Property damage of this is valid. especially if you can give people water for free next to it.

Death_Equity ,

Open it and reroute the supply, as a prank bro.

Allero ,

Based

Though probably more complicated than that

Phegan ,

Get absolutely fucked reefill

Audacious ,

Both probably give the same exact water at the same temp.

mdd ,

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/45f765bc-9270-48cf-8f09-93b2d16ee90a.webp

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Oh yeah, Steve called the manufacturer about that, and they’re supposed to be sending someone out this month. Maybe next. Our deepest apologies for the inconvenience.

No, the system won’t allow us to discount or refund.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

That’s my favourite line, “I’m sorry we can’t do that because of how our system works.”

“But you’re ripping me off and that’s illegal.”

“I’m sorry, the system won’t allow me to refund you.”

“So you’re admitting that your company built a system that rips people off and breaks the law as a matter of policy? You realise that’s worse, right?”

archon ,

It’s just finger pointing to avoid liability.

“Oh no, that’s not our fault! It’s these guys who did it, so talk to them!”

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

For the individual phone line worker yes, but as a system it’s an intentional layered diffusion of responsibility. The decision makers employ goons to tell you about their decisions and blame it on the “system” which is actually just a decision made higher up. You can get as angry as you want at the goons, they have no decision making power so the anger is likely to get nowhere. Even if you ask to talk to a manager, in most situations they’re only a middle manager and yet another layer of security for the person who’s actually screwing you.

archon ,

Exactly. It is very rare that I find someone willing to claim responsibility for an issue nowadays, but when I do I feel it reflects very positively on them.

uis ,

Oh wow. Imagine that in functioning court.

plz1 ,

Or they warm the tap water

yannic ,

If the water is cooled with a low-energy method like a Peltier cooler, the heat has to go somewhere.

this_1_is_mine ,

You mean Into a different environment right… Right.?

yannic ,

It’s been radiated to another environment.

westyvw ,

I can’t say I really hate this. If a company is willing to maintain this so there is always free water alongside a purchase option, it doesnt seem so bad.

Because frankly a portion of my world looks like this right now: The corporations squeeze to get everything out of me, and a good portion of the populous want to make sure I can’t have nice things by fucking everything up. A public fountain? Oh yeah that shit will get destroyed or stolen within a week.

misterwu ,

I’m sorry, what?

vonbaronhans ,

Reefill.com isn’t even a registered domain. I call horseshit.

Railcar8095 ,

indiegogo.com/…/reefill-ditch-bottled-water-for-g…

There are several articles about it and an indiegogo, if fabricated a lot of people bought it few years ago.

fiercekitten ,

You are right, it is not a current valid domain. It was an Indiegogo crowdfunded project though, and I am guessing it failed.

joenforcer ,

pitchbook.com/profiles/company/178262-56#overview

Went under about two years after the crowdfunding. Guess people didn’t want to pay $2 a pop for chilled and filtered tap water.

fiercekitten ,

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/4d88fcce-ff4d-4adb-8e51-cf53501adabd.webp

zakobjoa ,
@zakobjoa@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8dd71f62-16c3-4dd6-a3f4-8b26515bdc6b.jpeg

librejoe ,

i thought it was 1,99 subscription?

dubyakay ,

It was.

I’m paying about C$50/ year for an under-the-sink cold water inlet filter. It’s not a subscription, but that’s roughly how often I need to replace the filter. So $2/mo isn’t that bad.

l10lin ,

Surely their price is considerably low, but given the limited locations where people can actually get access to the water, it is not that cheap. Imagine waiting in line with your mobile phone and your cup to get a little sap. You would want a huge water tank to cut down the frequency of fetching water. Good for motorhome users though.

dubyakay ,

Yeah, surely what this lacked was proliferation.

Dozzi92 ,
@Dozzi92@lemmy.world avatar

I believe it lacked alliteration. Should’ve called it Weefill. Do the Water Way with Weefill Water Waypoints, where you’re in for the wettest of whistles.

MadBob ,

Delightful comment!

Malfeasant ,

Fill it with wee!

Dozzi92 ,
@Dozzi92@lemmy.world avatar

Just a dollar ninety-nine and you’re in!

Gestrid ,

Also, if a lot of people happened to use the cold water, it probably wouldn’t be cold anymore by the time you got to it.

MystikIncarnate ,

Jesus, how much water do you drink?

I hope you’re aware that it’s possible to drink too much water and die from it…

dubyakay ,

Family of four. But I also use it to water the garden due to no other faucet near.

uis , (edited )

You use filtered water to… water the garden?.. At this point you could use your blood to water the garden.

Not saying that you shouldn’t water garden at all, because garden is good, garden is food.

dubyakay ,

Well, it’s an under-sink inlet attached filter, so the pressure throughput is the same as if you were to use a regular faucet.

uis ,

Does it change anything?

dubyakay ,

For drinking? Yes, the water stops tasting like chlorine and iron. It also filters lead, fluoride and other unvanted elements. Simple carbon filter I believe.

Not sure it makes any difference for the back yard though.

uis ,

Salts are fine, but you have lead in your water? Then yes, you better filter it, there is no safe lead concentration. Lead is super toxic for mammals.

You should make lab analysis of tap water. If your water company delivers water with lead, then you should complain and deal with it.

Another awkward translation.

dubyakay ,

Oh yes, North American cities in the east coast are known to have many dwelling built with lead pipes. Montréal is particularly bad, due to the high amount of multidwelling midrise plexes.

The city is running its replacement program, but it’s painfully slow. The first thing I did when moving in here was to install the filter.

There’s nothing really to complain about. Just have to be patient and keep the children from drinking unfiltered tap water.

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/a8234d80-f5ef-4537-9f09-e97d3ae79bbf.jpeg

SillyLikeSoupySales ,

$2 a -month- for unlimited “pops” during the month.

uis ,

At this point city could install them everywhere and fund from taxes

vonbaronhans ,

Fair enough. I stand corrected.

librejoe ,

hmm i wonder why…

KrankyKong ,

Kinda reminds me of paying to use the bathroom in Germany. Is that still a thing?

whome ,

Not in general, never was. But in certain places definitely, like has stations along the Autobahn, train stations and some department stores.

Jakeroxs ,

Never was a thing except where it is.

whome ,

In general

Jakeroxs ,

It’s just funny, I get what you meant but saying it “never was” and then immediately undercutting that with examples where it is indeed a thing means it IS a thing.

Your point, I asume, is that it’s not the norm or status quo, but it does exist.

Crashumbc ,

It was semi popular in the US in resort towns. I remember some beaches had dime machines to unlock the toilet stalls in the public bathrooms.

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