I think they more mean the removal of corruption, not necessarily literally beheadings.
At least I hope if they’re going to call the death penalty bad in principle. IMO, it’s good in principle, but completely untennable in practice in such an insanely flawed system working with just as flawed laws. I’m not sure a defensible system could exist. Not with modern humans.
The irony of being too bad to properly purge the bad…
They wouldn't know it if you did damage to the body after that time. They absolutely would know that the severed end of the spinal cord that remained connected to the brainwas sending very loud pain signals for the brief time they remained conscious.
Front accounts of when the guillotine was used often and publicly, there was seemingly voluntary movement for up to two minutes. Imagine the hell that is searing pain from nerves cut and exposed to air while you black out screaming silent and breathless.
Dropping a 2 ton weight made of tungsten onto someone’s head is about as instant and painless as possible. We can kill better, we have had the technology.
Dropping a 2 ton weight made of tungsten onto someone’s head is about as instant and painless as possible. We can kill better, we have had the technology.
Okay, say your a Gazan doctor. What do you do with it, toss it in the trash? Hospitals don’t generally have to worry about that kind of hazardous waste… it’s usually just biological…
And there’s no telling where they came from. For all we know the hospital staff took them off wounded/dead Hamas and didn’t know what to do with it.
Also, why are the cans of WD40 laid out like some kind of military supply? I mean, it has its uses, but, like pretty much every home in America probably has a can (or something similar.)
If it was a huge control center, then it’d been there for years and Israel was attacking to get rid of it. There wouldn’t be any metallic objects there. It is an MRI room, a huge hospital uses those a lot.
The MRI machines are spun down- which is how that guy in the tweeted video showing “what they found” Was able to go into that room at all. Probably because they’re power hogs and they’re a bitch to spin back up, even when shut down “properly”.
Also, that guy was a Lt. Colonel. Like. Wtf? Did he watch too much cops growing up? Cuz, you know. Getting some heavy “We found this weed and a pipe on him. It’s worth 500 bucks on the street but now, it’s 20 years in prison. [pans to a couple buds in a sandwich baggie]” vibes.
For all we know the hospital staff took them off wounded/dead Hamas and didn’t know what to do with it.
Yeah, after all, doctors treat everyone.
The pictures look really pathetic for a “control center”. Not to mention Israeli soldiers took 200 people form the hospital (aged 16 to 40), stripped them, insulted them, and led them to an unknown room to interrogate.
War crime after war crime after war crime…
EDIT: the very fact that “books” were among these items kills it for me. You think you can shoot someone with a Quran copy? ROFL
that’s not pictures of the command centre, just a ward.
Not to mention Israeli soldiers took 200 people form the hospital (aged 16 to 40), stripped them, insulted them, and led them to an unknown room to interrogate.
The IDF reportedly asked all men aged 16-40 to leave the hospital buildings, except the surgical and emergency departments, and go to the hospital courtyard.
Meanwhile, there are reports of some 200 people being blindfolded and interrogated and taken to unknown areas; their fate is unknown. Witnesses inside the hospital who we spoke to said [Israeli troops] started with 30 people who were stripped of their clothes, and taken to the courtyard of the hospital. More people were taken after interrogation, blindfolded and put into groups.
Propaganda is everywhere, and anyone can fall for it!!! Hatsune Miku recommends Reuters, AP, and announcements by the EU and UN for your news regarding the conflict. Alternatively, you can view this active war-zone map, which congregates footage and announcements. (Remember to take both announcements from IDF and Gaza with a grain of salt unless it is also announced by the UN)
As BBC News covered initial reports that Israeli forces had entered Gaza’s main hospital, we said that “medical teams and Arab speakers” were being targeted. This was incorrect and misquoted a Reuters report. We should have said IDF forces included medical teams and Arabic speakers for this operation. We apologise for this error, which fell below our usual editorial standards. The correct version of events was broadcast minutes later and we apologised for the mistake on air later in the morning.
lol buddy seriously, are you unhappy that they do good journalism? That they correct their mistakes? Go read all the other reports from Reuters. Didn’t the IDF kill one of their photographers earlier? 😬 😬
Good Journalism is not making any mistakes when they’re reading off a reuters report. BBC wasn’t in the vicinity, they were literally reading off a piece of paper and still failed to do that.
idn’t the IDF kill one of their photographers earlier?
Just hold your breath a little longer soon they’ll find that command center underground beneath the hospital just like those WMDs George Bush and Colin Powell found in Iraq.
Defect to the NK friendly country their embassy is in? I’m not sure how that would play out. They would probably just get deported back to NK where they will be punished. I’d bet a nickel that the diplomats are heavily watched as well.
What’s even better is him thinking he’s not going to be in prison long because Trump is going to win the next election and pardon him. My brother, there’s a greater chance of Trump becoming your cell mate.
It’s true he doesn’t give a damn about these people but they’re useful for his scam. He’s already said he’ll pardon people and will continue to say it because it suits the narrative he’s pushing and what his base wants to hear.
The problem is he is toxic and will only get more so as his legal issues turn into jail time so it’s unlikely he’ll win election. If he were smart he’d drop out and secure a pardon from a more electable GOP nominee in return for endorsement. But he won’t. So it seems that these proud boy / oathkeeper idiots are likely to be spending a long time behind bars.
I agree with you, but I don’t believe there’s going to be any sort of crowd clamoring for J6 rioters to be pardoned. The issue is early on, a LOT of right wing media decided that J6 was a false flag. There’s just not going to be many people beyond family members of J6 rioters that want them pardoned.
I bet Trump thinks about them a bit. Every day Trump isn’t in the White House he is reminded that they are failures. Zero surprise if they never get parole if Trump makes the WH.
Most of the country is dealing with a 30% to 50% cost of living increase, and they’re going to blame Biden for it. Trump got elected the first time because 6,000,000 were foreclosed upon when Obama was president.
It’s possible, but as much as people are exhausted with Biden, nothing would get blue to turn out to vote like another chance of Trump. Blue would vote for a tent full of mosquitoes if it meant voting against Trump. Trump supporters have gotten more fanatical, not more numerous. Some of my own family members are currently in orange pill recovery. Not to mention all the Reds that died of COVID denial. Then you factor in young people now eligible to vote skewing blue. The only person I think Trump could beat honestly would be Hillary. Red would show up to vote against her if not for Trump.
While I agree with most of that, I thought it was shown recently that younger people are skewing right. Internet propaganda has been super effective lately it seems :/
Maybe it’s the bubble I’m in, but I’ve seen the opposite in the news. Between climate, school shootings, minimum wage, student loan forgiveness, abortion rights, and marijuana legalization, one party at least acts progressive, while the other actively tries to block change. I’m not sure which conservative talking points are resonating with the majority of young people.
That was the argument people made for Hillary’s certain victory on Election Day, that the notion of Trump being elected would mean a huge Democratic turnout.
Thing is, people aren’t going to give a shit who the candidate of change is when they can’t afford their grocery bills, and Trump isn’t going to have to lie about how little Biden has done to alleviate people’s poverty.
I didn’t vote when it was Hillary or Tbag. I hated both. But I’ll keep voting to protect against him happening again. It’s exactly what the dems are counting on, and it’s unfortunately working on me.
Still waiting to see who I’ll vote for in primaries, though. My vote only counts there in my state.
How about we get better candidates from both mainstream parties if they actually want swing voters, rather than painting their opposition as a bunch of shitbags. (Mind you, both parties are shitbags who force unpopular policies).
Ideally that would be in the case, but in reality with FPTP your vote for Green has the same effect as a vote for Trump. I'm much farther left than the Dems, but until we have a revolution that's just how it is.
I ask because the republicans viewed her as a threat from the time she was first lady (she wanted universal healthcare - which she almost got, but the rightwing defeated her by talking about a republican vision/plan for an individual mandate, which was basically obamacare, she talked about women’s rights, she was pulling her husband to the left on some issues, etc). They knew she had the type of balls to run for president and the Hillary hate propaganda machine has been running strong for over 20+ years, because they were scared she would win. That’s why I’m wondering what got you to hate her - what tactic of their hate machine do you think worked on you?
Edit - and I hope you understand conservatives would destroy the internet as it is, and they have been trying
It wasn’t any tactic they used. I read an article where she talked about policy she wanted implemented during her first term that I thought showed a basic misunderstanding of the internet. Unfortunately, I can’t remember what it was to share. But I didn’t think Trump stood any chance of winning so I withheld my vote and have regretted that ever since.
I’m not saying it won’t be close. My parents who voted for him complain about how often they get asked to donate to his campaign slash legal fund. I don’t think that’s a great look if it’s about grocery money.
I remember 2016. Bernie bros felt maybe rightfully so that he got shafted in the primary. Many didn’t turn out. Trump as obvious of a con man as he was to us, was a successful business man to many centrist voters. I think that illusion has mostly faded. On top of that people on the right were programmed to hate Hillary since the 90s. The vitriol for Trump now is the best shot Biden has, and I think it’s enough.
Hopefully they're not run by autocoratic dinosaurs that dream about restoring an ancient empire for ego reasons while oppressing and lying to billions of people.
Historically industrialisation led to wealth long term. Maybe we're in too nice of a position to judge those who strive for a better life in a globalised world.
Escorts our of south was Asia were over 70% from China a few years ago and we’re only 50% from China last year. These numbers are from my memory so probably not exact but close enough.
Decoupling/derisking is happening quickly with all major players moving to a china +1 policy for manufacturing.
About 22% of Taiwan’s imports last year came from mainland China and Hong Kong, versus 10% from the U.S. That doesn’t quite match up with most people use Chinese products every day. Current relations with China are so bad that most of that trade has dried up.
Listen, I literally lived there for years, I have family there, and I visit all the time. People buy and use Chinese goods every day. Xiaomi smart phones and gadgets are super popular. Chinese phone brands like realme and oppo outcompete local brands. People buy Chinese groceries all the time, especially flavorings and hot sauces. People import Chinese books, watch Tencent TV, and listen to Chinese music. They speak the same language so of course people will buy goods and media content from China.
Even though virtually everyone hates the Chinese government, most people still interact with Chinese people, media, or goods on a daily basis. And this isn’t even getting into business supply chains; Taiwan’s dirty secret is that most Taiwanese businesses are very pro-China, even though your average person is worried about China having too much influence.
Where do you think TSMC buys the concrete for their facilities comes from? The copper wiring? What about the rare earth minerals that are used in the production process to make chips? Where do they source their steel from? There are thousands and thousands of components that go into building the capital that makes chips, or just into making the buildings that make up their facilities, or even just the materials for the dormitories for their workers. There is inevitably a ton of Chinese products being used at different points in the TSMC supply chain. The most advanced components are from the US, Europe, and Japan, but numerous other components will be made in China.
Hamas had a whole investigation and remediation in the space of days, in the middle of a war zone. Meanwhile we’re still waiting to find out who killed Shireen Abu Akleh over 2 years ago.
Keep in mind it’s always possible that they do this partly for PR. But at least they were transparent, even if they did in to look good. After all, next to Israel, anyone would look good.
I guess what you mean to ask is: was this part of the NYT report or not? Is that right?
And also, I agree that much of that report was BS, but is that enough to discredit every single story in it? You may pretty well be denying rapes that did take place. I have no reason to deny the testimonies of some of these women. Hamas fighters are not angels and it would be quite naive to assume that no rape happened. What I said does not suggest that Hamas carries out systematic rape. Maybe that is a claim more worth your time to moderate than “some victims came out and spoke out about sexual assault during captivity.”
But if this is how things roll in this community then just ban me 😉
One started making claims of sexual assault 100 days after her release in the day 50 prisoner swap.
It was mentioned released hostages are pressured by the Israeli government into making false confessions. They tell them if they lie there will be more pressure on Hamas to release other hostages.
Thanks for pointing that out. No denying this. Is this about Amit Soussanna? Would be curious to see a timeline for that. But also as a rape victim myself, it took me years to finally come out and tell my parents what had happened. It’s possible that she is lying, but also possible that she is saying he truth. It doesn’t say anything politically about Hamas or Palestinians… it’s just a thing that is likely to have happened.
The thing is, it would also be naive to assume that no sexual assault or abuse happeend. Even Hezbollah (a much more disciplined army) will have cases like that.
Do you hound everyone for citations or only in this case? Do you want proof that these people have had these testimonies or that these things actually happened?
Just because there are problems with the NYT does not mean this particular story is not credible. This woman is simply sharing her experinece. What evidence do you have to refute the claims of a rape victim? Should she not be taken as seriously as any other rape victim? Just because Israel can take advantage of such a story to justify genocide does not mean we can discredit the story without being intellectually dishonest.
It’s fine just go ahead and ban me because I won’t edit anything. I provided two articles about captives and their experience having been held hostage by Hamas, they list multiple instances. I have no time for bs like this.
Amit never claimed she was raped. She claimed she was groped after changing her story quite a few times, each time becoming more extreme.
There is no doubt Israel would have loved her confession when she was released at the 50 day exchange. I cannot imagine them not asking her about it.
Hamas was wearing body cams during Al Aqsa flood. Despite rape being a common Israeli practice there is no shred of evidence to suggest Hamas raped anyone. The official UN report on war crimes stated no evidence of any rape by Hamas was found.
Whereas there are a multitude of reliable sources citing Israelis forces torturing and raping Palestinian prisoners until death. Not isolated incidents, but a multitude of seperate situations.
I never denied that and nothing I said points to anything against that. Some Hamas fighters still raped and abused some captives. This is reality. These people also have the right to have their story heard because it’s just one part of the truth.
Deere is fleecing farmers so badly. It’s ridiculous that they can’t fix their own equipment. In the 1950s and 1960s, farmers got a lot of mechanical knowledge from learning to fix their tractors and other vehicles, so they not only saved money, they gained practical skills they could apply to other vehicles. At the very least, they should be able to take these things to a third party, preferably locally-owned, mechanic shop to get them fixed.
I realize right to repair is important for our internet devices, but this is so much more important. This makes our food prices higher.
Exactly there is so many different fields effected by the right to repair. Farmers in my opinion got it the worst. So many simple and basic repairs prevented because of it too. Loads of them went from not being super tech savvy to learning how to hack their machines or hiring people who specialize in doing so.
It's not about right to repair. They are perfectly capable of repairing their equipment. And no one is forcing them to buy John Deere. There are a LOT of OEM's out there in all sectors to choose from. If they don't like the black box that's running their equipment, there's nothing stopping them from buying a blank controller and programming it themselves.
It's about them wanting to circumvent systems. Whether they are safety systems to prevent injury, safety systems to prevent excessive damage to the machine, or regulatorily systems for emissions.
Famers want to bypass that shit constantly.
They want to put cheap shit diesel into their engine and who gives a shit about the environment.
They want to run their machine at 120% constantly. And then bitch to the OEM their machine broke too soon and wants warranty.
They don't want to wear a seatbelt, or have a seat switch in their cab, or a spring return propel joystick. They want to rig up a bungy cord to the throttle and get out of their seat to go look at something while it drives.
Farmers weld up some of the STUPIDEST and most dangerous contraptions that I've ever seen with absolutely no education/calculations as far as frame weight/load or torque requirements/etc. "My Daddy did it back in his day, so I should do it too!!!"
And yet we get farm accidents/injuries constantly, including CHILDREN. And yet none of them are ever charged or imprisoned with running an un-safe environment/operation like any other industry would. You can't have a 14-year old driving around a forklift in a factory without getting into serious trouble, but sure let them run a combine or tractor.
Farmers wanting access to source code is 100% because they want to disable shit.
It has nothing to do with repair, it has nothing to do with adding 3rd party shit. You can already do that. I do that on a daily basis for a huge list of OEM's both in and out of the ag industry.
They already have the right to repair. Nothing is stopping them. The only thing stopping them is that you need a little more knowledge these days than basic mechanics and some welding skill.
If someone doesn't like John Deere. Stop buying fucking John Deere. You want to have full control of your machine? Grab a mobile controller and have at it. No one is stopping you.
There's nothing special about John Deere. 90% of their shit is standard J1939 protocol, and the few proprietary messaging that is John Deere specific is available if you ask, or you can sniff it out easily.
All locked down maintenance stuff is 100% there to record and verify that the farmer is taking care of the equipment properly.
The amount of "I want warranty!!!!" bitching, but they didn't change any filters, abused the machine, or used it for something it wasn't designed for is far worse than any car mechanic shop you've ever seen.
I didn’t read past the part where he said there are other choices.
To me that’s all that matters in his reply…you will notice a ton of other brands in use these days, brands that don’t do shitnlike JD. Take your money to one of those brands and laugh as JD dies a self inflicted death.
So … what part of that has anything to do with a farmer getting screwed when their equipment breaks down and they’re locked out of effecting a repair they’re more than capable of doing?
When they’re racing time and the weather waiting on an overbooked repair tech that can get them in at their convenience a few days from now, and charge an arm and a leg for the pleasure? Who’s liable to tell them they need to bring it to the shop 50+ miles away?
Sure: they could buy another brand … that doesn’t work as nearly as well. That’s not compatible with the $500k+ of JD equipment and attachments they already own. That isn’t well supported in their region.
Farmers aren’t pissed because JD is preventing them from doing stupid shit. They’re pissed because JD is using every anti-consumer practice in the book to extract as much money as possible from a captive market and fucking them at the same time.
warranty
Warranties don’t cover damage from abuse, misuse, and user modifications already.
YOU CAN BUY ALL THE PARTS YOU NEED TO FIX YOUR TRACTOR.
The person you’re replying to is absolutely correct. The only thing you can’t do is legally modify the firmware on the controllers because that is usually done to bypass emissions controls. There are 10,000 page manuals supplied by Deere to diagnose and repair every part of their machinery. I have used them many times. I have never taken a tractor in to a Deere dealer to repair for any other reason than “I don’t have time to deal with this right now”.
Jesus, the misinformation on this subject is depressing, as is the willingness of people to accept it without a hint of critical thinking or research.
The only thing you can’t do is legally modify the firmware on the controllers because that is usually done to bypass emissions controls
We are talking about basic access to the software in a way that allows diagnosing and repairing problems.
Every major part of a tractor is computer controlled and “smart”, and because of that JD locks the owner out from accessing diagnostic information or swapping parts. Doing so requires hooking up a laptop with JD Service Advisor – which isn’t available to anyone apart from JD service techs.
The GPS module (or any other “smart” part) died and you want to swap it with an identical spare you have on hand? Tough shit, you need to call a tech to hook their laptop up before the computer will accept the new part. Want “trouble codes” to diagnose a problem – too bad, you don’t have JD Service Advisor to pull them. Fix a problem and want to take the tractor out of “trouble mode” … nope.
As for “modifying firmware”: the firmware controls everything. You can’t use 3rd party parts, and you can’t even use older (but still working) John Deere parts that are “unsupported”.
Jesus, the misinformation on this subject is depressing
Yeah, by people that have obviously never touched JD equipment.
There are hundreds of diagnostic addresses and values you can pull up on the minidisplays on every piece of equipment, as well as diagnostic codes that have been more than sufficient to use to follow the diagnostic procedures the Deere provides in any case that I’ve ever dealt with. That diagnostic manual is another 10,000 page manual that deere supplies and if you’re bright enough, you can fix anything. The wire numbers, circuit diagrams, test procedures, etc, etc, etc are all in there, but most farmers can’t be arsed to buy a multimeter it would seem. Most farmers that bitch about R2R wouldn’t grease their own combine if they can help it, let alone replace a turbo.
There are a certain number of parts like stepper motors etc that have CanBUS addresses that need to be programmed into the controllers so they can address the part correctly over J1939. So in those rare cases, I’ve gotten a tech to drive by on their way to another call, and spent $50 having them sync up the address, it’s not difficult. We are able to buy the JDSA systems now but it’s very much not worth the cost, $26000 the last time I checked.
And you’re plain wrong about the GPS, I’ve swapped around antennas and moved around 2630 systems with no need to call anyone. I think they’re overpriced shit compared to what I can build myself with AgOpenGPS, but they work fine for the standard idiot.
obviously never touched JD equipment
Pretty sure I know which one of us that describes.
That's a stupid ignorant analogy. A knife doesn't suddenly lose control and smash into things, or activate when it's not supposed to. Or have the capability to store energy and release it. Engineers are morally and legally obligated to make their products safe to use.
As someone that owns several Deere tractors, there are no restrictions on mechanical repairs, I can buy parts all day long to do everything up to and including replacing every one of the 20,000 parts on a tractor.
I don’t know what people are pointing to as not being able to repair, but I’ve never encountered it. Maybe flashing a custom firmware on the ECM? But why the hell would I want to do that, except to blow the engine up when I need the damn thing?
I realize right to repair is important for our internet devices, but this is so much more important. This makes our food prices higher.
It’s not a competition. I was disappointed to see the progress that had been made was limited to only certain markets. No one should have a monopoly on repairing or customizing anything from tractors to phones and computers to appliances to cars and whatever other directions I haven’t thought of. It should only be knowledge, skills, tools, and parts that determine whether or not you can repair something, not design (including requiring tools for their obscurity rather than for their usefulness).
Do you genuinely believe that Israel is intentionally killing everyone in Gaza?
If so, why are they so bad at it that civilian casualties aren’t in the hundreds of thousands yet? They have total military superiority. It would be really easy to do that.
Is Israel so incompetent that they can’t “shoot fish in a barrel” or is this take maybe really dumb?
No, we didn’t try. We did commit genocide against our indigenous people. Arguably we still are. Genocide does not require the wholesale destruction of a people.
You say that, but, I’m going to go ahead and listen to my training in international relations and law, the well-reasoned arguments based on established legal definitions, and a first-hand witnessing of the evidence in favor of the conclusion, instead of you.
I mean you can believe whatever you want, because it isn’t changing anything, but I don’t think the couple undergrad courses you took makes you better-equipped than the experts and historians who informed my worldview.
So long as you don’t do something crazy like attack random innocent Jews at your next protest, I don’t give a shit about your opinion. I will argue against it online, though. You don’t seem particularly violent so we’re just ships in the night here.
But we aren't talking about cookie genocide from eating a box of oreos.
People without food, water or electricity are dying in mass to bombings from Isreal and your defending the action by saying it's not efficient enough to be a genocide. People are dying and you are playing word games.
Seriously. Stop, walk away and really think about what is important to you
War is between two armies, so why is Isreal cutting off food, water and electricity to the entire population? Why can't the people of Gaza leave? Why does Isreal control every facet of life in the strip? Why does Isreal use tanks against kids with rocks?
It's not war when one side is trapped without basic utilities and the other is a well funded army.
War is between two armies, so why is Isreal cutting off food, water and electricity to the entire population?
This is how war is fought. It is standard US doctrine, for instance.
Why can’t the people of Gaza leave?
Their neighbors won’t take them after some refugees attempted coups and formed terrorist organizations. I personally disagree with viewing all Palestinian refugees as inherently dangerous, but their neighbors do not.
Why does Isreal use tanks against kids with rocks?
They’re using tanks against combined-arms forces that include current-generation, high-tech weaponry. It says a lot about your ignorance of Hamas that you think they’re made up of “kids with rocks.” This isn’t 2014.
This is how war is fought. It is standard US doctrine, for instance
It is literally a war crime to do collective punishment. And I'm not sure why you would appeal to what the US does. My country is responsible for numerous atrocities, including genocide.
It says a lot about your ignorance of Hamas that you think they’re made up of “kids with rocks.” This isn’t 2014.
I... am honestly at a loss for words here. I don't think you realize how damming this thought process is. Of course it's not 2014, but Isreal has been killing Palestinian kids with rocks has been occurring since then (like srsly, this is recent history). But somehow this is "just a war"?
Restricting movement and controlling all facets of life in the strip has had obvious effects on the people being controlled. How exactly did we come to the point where Israel is at war with people they control? Where the water in Isreal is clean but the facilties in Gaza are polluted. What infrastructure can be built when Israel controls the imports to the area? What country can be formed when Isreal repeatedly annexs territory to their settlers? I wasn't referring to refugees being accepted to other countries, I am talking about the walls prevent people from leaving.
This isn't a war, but a trapped exploited people striking back at their oppressors. I'm not pleased about the violence, but it would be childish to tell these Palestinians to continue peaceful marches when they are killed in mass for doing so.
I am not suprised, yet still disappointed, that you continue to play semantics. But I suppose there isn't much else you can do when the goal is to defend the unconsciousable.
One day I hope you will think both more critically of the things you say and the stances you are forced to take in service of your views.
Look at the comment ratio on this person’s profile.
I know that can be a cheap shot at times, but when you’re talking about someone with roughly 3500 comments and 2200 “karma” you get the general sense this is more about mentally masterbating through having intentionally antagonist viewpoints while simultaneously grandstanding like they posses the insurmountable moral high ground.
You are never going to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into, no matter how good your intentions might be. Especially when the other person is a bad faith actor that gets off to LARPing as an “Ohio Liberal” while at the same time going out of their way to post HUNDREDS of comments justifying war crimes & atrocities against a marginalized civilian population.
There is no scenario where this person is not enjoying the dopamine hit from justifying human suffering. It is literally a game and generally indicative of underlying sociopathic tendencies. You are only hurting yourself by engaging with that kind of vapid egotism.
You're absolutely right and this is a trap that I fall in to a lot. It's hard to let go through out the day as I keep wanting to find the "right words". I had to go off social media entirely during Trump because it was too easy to lose my time to nothing arguments. Honestly it's probally shades of OCD or ADHD that bring me back.
I was starting noticing the trend here, but I appreciate the reality check. ♥ 💕
You are completely right. If Israel really wanted to exterminate Palestine the whole thing would look drastically different and would have been completed years and years ago. Instead Israel left Gaza and all they received for that is constant missile attacks.
Yep, the fact those missile attacks have not resulted in massive civilian casualties, is not due to them not trying enough… People writing about “kids with rocks”, tend to forget that
Since 2001, Palestinian militants have launched tens of thousands of rocket and mortar attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip
The double posting tells me I must have touched a nerve. Maybe you should ask yourself why it stung so much? Perhaps some part of you sees the validity of the comparison but your cognitive bias won’t let you admit it.
Netanyahu said “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 ‘Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass’," .
Words matter and you like to clipchimp to frame it favorably for you like the dishonest bad faith asshole you are. There is no debate anymore, bibi ordered a genocide in his own words, and the IDF is serving it up.
Another post said “the genocidal fascist zionist regime will be destroyed. rape and kill all the jew women, before they birth more jewish hitlers. jews are excrement on the face of the earth. no jew civilian is innocent of genocide [sic].”
That’s not at all anything I’ve said. I’ve said calling this genocide is ridiculous. Things can be tragically bad and not the worst possible thing.
There is no straight up plan to liquidate Gaza as in a genocide. To suggest there is such a plan is ridiculous, since Israel absolutely could enact such a plan, militarily.
Arguing for less hyperbole and more reality is not an endorsement of anything.
I don’t care how many people on here downvote me or insult me. Discussion should be based on reality. One can express displeasure without making up crazy shit.
The conservatives didn’t gas every single Jew during the holocaust. They had the ability to kill all of them, but they didn’t. They destroyed their lives, but many were not killed. Does that make it any less of a genocide?
Remember, conservatives like to include a bit of plausible deniability in their genocides to help keep everyone on board. This is very obvious genocide with a very thin patina of “plausible” deniability.
According to the UN Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect a genocide does not require the intended destruction of an entire people. It also doesn’t require a concentrated, physical attack against a people to qualify for genocide.
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
(Emphasis mine)
Ever since Israel was re-establishee in the wake of WWII, they have grown their borders by violently pushing the Palestinian people out of their homes until now there are only two small territories in which Israel has continued to illegally displace the local Palestinian people and create Israeli settlements. Now Israel is shelling one of those settlements to smithereens and moving in ground troops to occupy the land. They are committing genocide, they have been committing genocide for decades, and they won’t be satisfied until the last vestiges of Palestinian land has been assimilated into their borders.
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such
I love that you bolded for emphasis part of a paragraph you don’t understand lol.
Fun fact, this part’s also important: national, ethnical, racial or religious group
I bolded it for you just in case.
Also every aspect of this is false.
they have grown their borders by violently pushing the Palestinian people out of their homes until now there are only two small territories in which Israel has continued to illegally displace the local Palestinian people and create Israeli settlements.
There are no settlements in Gaza, and that is not how Israel’s territory expanded.
Are you suggesting that the Palestinian people are not a national, ethnical, racial or religious group? Or did you just bold some words you don’t understand? Also would you care to explain how I don’t understand the parts I bolded? Israel has historically conducted a campaign of violent displacement of the Palestinian people. They’ve murdered them, removed them from their homes, and placed them in ghettos that Israel exercises a great deal of economic control over leading to massive rates of poverty and low access to necessary resources. You’re supporting a state that has and is committing genocide.
Funny how you specify that there are no settlements in Gaza. Is there maybe another Palestinian territory with Israeli settlements that you’re conveniently forgetting to mention?
And yeah, that’s exactly how Israel’s territory expanded.
And by definition Hamas has genecide in its very charter. Possibly we can judge them by how much of their stored supplies they are distributing to the needy in Gaza
Yeah, SHAME or CRITIQUE is really something UNRWA should not accept, to help the people it was created for.
Do let me get this straight: It is Israel’s responsibility to let even more fuel into the Gaza Strip, so it can be added to the vast amounts that Hamas already has, but it is not the responsibility of Hamas to provide the Hospitals with fuels from those vast storages?
Not many days ago, Hamas stole large quantities of fuel from the UN, too.
I feel for the civilians caught in the middle. Now is not the time to be hard headed about asking a terrorist group to do what’s right. Obviously they don’t care and the civilians are being punished too. Being callous about their suffering doesn’t solve the situation… it just feeds into the terrorist narrative.
Idk maybe when there’s not a huge humanitarian crisis. Gotta deal with the humanitarian crisis first or find somewhere for these people to go with actual resources for them. I wouldn’t want to be operated on in a hospital without electricity or anaesthesia, and I’m certainly not wishing that on civilians here.
Asking despotic governments in charge to do what’s right never works. Why should civilians be punished?
Your argument essentially boils down to this: Israeli civilians are worth less than Palestinian civilians. You didn’t write it like this, but is the logical consequence of what you are asking.
You essentially want to allow Hamas to steal even more fuel that is then used for Rocket attacks. And no, those rockets are not harmless, they are made to kill and maim civilians.
Let us entertain the thought, that Israel would allow fuel delivery for humanitarian purposes only. Who is going to defend that fuel against Hamas within the Gaza Strip? You?
Well the logical step forward would be a negotiated peace that includes lifting the blockade so Gazans don't have a reason to launch rocket attacks. That was the idea in 2008 and 2012, only a country whose name starts with Israel didn't follow through with it. As seen from this attack, the current Israeli policy on Palestine is a colossal failure on multiple levels, so something needs to change,
The blockade would be reinstated, with Gazans being told that it'll only be lifted if Hamas is replaced, would be the logical step towards peace. But we've already had two of these before; we don't need to do what-ifs. Hamas followed the 2012 ceasefire for more than a year even though Israel showed no signs of lifting the blockade or otherwise following the ceasefire.
Force Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, and Turkey to pay $1M to Israel for every rocket launched by Gaza and the blockade would be lifted tomorrow.
The issue is that Hamas continues to stockpile weapons, and the weakness of the Iron Dome system is in the number of projectiles that it can respond to. The system can be overwhelmed by constant fire (that’s what happened in 2012 and 2014 that sparked the conflicts). The blockade slows how quickly Hamas can collect that many weapons and decreases the amount of conflict that those rockets will cause.
The current blockade started in 2007 2 years after Israel pulled out of Gaza and Hamas took control. The after they pulled out in 2006 there were over 900 rocket attacks an increase from the 176 the year before.
The blockade started in response to rocket attacks.
The current blockade started in 2007 2 years after Israel pulled out of Gaza and Hamas took control.
No? It was turned into its current form in 2007. Gaza has been partially blockaded by Israel (harsh reduction, but not completely termination, of exports) since 2005, and got even worse in 2006.
Following the disengagement, human rights groups alleged that Israel frequently blockaded Gaza in order to apply pressure on the population "in response to political developments or attacks by armed groups in Gaza on Israeli civilians or soldiers".[26] The special envoy of the Quartet James Wolfensohn noted that "Gaza had been effectively sealed off from the outside world since the Israeli disengagement [August–September 2005], and the humanitarian and economic consequences for the Palestinian population were profound. There were already food shortages. Palestinian workers and traders to Israel were unable to cross the border".
They also withheld the PNA's tax income for more than a year, and as for the effects I'll let Wikipedia speak on my behalf.
By releasing or withholding these revenues, Israel was able, in the words of the International Crisis Group, to "virtually turn the Palestinian economy on and off".
The irony is that all this fluff is you justifying why Israeli citizens are worth more. Just because terrorists kill civilians doesn’t give one the right to callously allow the death of yet more innocent civilians.
They both matter, which is what we’re saying when we speak out against Israel’s policy of collective punishment.
Your argument essentially boils down to this: Israeli civilians are worth less than Palestinian civilians. You didn’t write it like this, but is the logical consequence of what you are asking.
That’s not what the argument boils down to. They didn’t write it like that because that wasn’t a position they were taking. You wrote it like that because you want that to be the case. That says more about you and your character.
Civilians should not be used as fodder by either side.
Your argument essentially boils down to this: Israeli civilians are worth less than Palestinian civilians. You didn’t write it like this, but is the logical consequence of what you are asking.
What? Israel has actively stated Gaza's territory would go down after the war, and there are honest to God pogroms going on right now in the West Bank (as if settlement wasn't already ethnic cleansing enough).
If your house catches on fire and the fire department tells you to evacuate, you are not being expelled. Gazans can come back north after the military operation. They aren’t even being forced to leave at all - it’s just a really bad idea to stick around where there will be city fighting.
Words have actual meanings.
Palestinians held zero land in 1968 because they never had any land in the first place. Also you mean 1967, or maybe 1966, if you mean while the area recognized as Palestine when it was currently Egypt and Jordan, respectively.
Nice use of the passive voice there. “If your house catches on fire”… and if the “firemen” in your analogy are lighting the fire, doesn’t your analogy break down a bit?
If your house is being bulldozed because terrorists snuck into your basement, and the military tells you to leave because they’re going to bomb it, you are not being displaced and you are not being permanently removed from the area.
The bombing of Berlin in WW2 wasn’t genocide and neither is this. Yep, people had to leave. And yet Berlin is currently a thriving metropolis.
Since parsing written language isn’t really your thing, let me know if you need a more on-the-nose analogy to show how fucking dumb this argument you fell for actually is.
It sure sounds like you’re holding Israel and a terrorist organization to the same standard. Nobody expects terrorist organizations to be concerned about human rights. Most of us still expect democratic states to… even if they don’t always live up to it.
I continue to be amazed that Israel’s “supporters” hold them in such low esteem…“Why should they be better than terrorists?” Because, if If we can’t expect Israel’s government to be better than Hamas, then what reason do we have to support them?
The reply should be, “Who should we be working with to draw equitable borders to ensure security? We’re not just asking for supplies, we’re forging local alliances to work on future solutions. “
Aside from whatever you feel about this guy, he’s fucked. It might take some time but the victims will start to get court orders to seize his assets, which they can then present to banks, police, and other authorities, who will then turn them over directly.
The USA has it’s fingers in almost every financial network in the world and Alex Jones can no longer be safe anywhere except basically crypto, bad actor countries, and I guess cash in his mattress. For the rest of his life. And he can’t escape it with bankruptcy.
He’ll be better off trying to get citizenship in Russia or China or something and never coming back.
Yep, good. Look at the damage he did. He’ll have sufficient funds to have food and shelter. Anything beyond that he does not deserve.
How much divisiveness did he cause?
How many screaming arguments?
How many families did he break up?
How many bar room fights?
How much pain for grieving parents?
OK, point taken. He’ll have sufficient funds to live a comfortable life (which is disgraceful for a bankrupt individual). But at least there’s the satisfaction in knowing he won’t get it all.
Apologies for the misunderstanding. I’m from the UK where it’s tougher to game the bankruptcy laws and you need to lie before court.
Yeah that’strue. From what little I know OJ is allowed to make/keep enough so that he’s far from destitute, but he sure hasn’t don’t anything redeeming since.
I guess if you know your work would lead to money that you can’t keep, you’d choose to just not work.
No, they actually do care about debt, but they decided to save money where Germany already has too little: social security for children and digitization.
Yeah that digitization part upsets me. Everything in Germany is done by snail mail and lots of businesses don’t accept card payments. The fastest internet I can get in the middle of the city is DSL with 100 MBit/s.
Germany is doing worse than most developing countries in this regard and few people here seem to bother.
I know you probably did not mean it like that, but it is funny that between cutting social security for children and digitisation it is the digitisation that upsets you.
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