I guess we add this to the pile of complaints about Tesla.
The real takeaway here for me is that if you make an amazing product, you can treat your customers any way you like. They'll keep buying. Despite all of these complaints, their output is parabolic. They're not just up YoY, they're even up QoQ. In other words, their Q1 2023, which is typically the slowest auto sales period, just beat Q4 2022, which is typically the highest volume period. Their most recent market announcement for Q2 shows 466,140 deliveries; up from 422,875 in Q1. That's 9% QoQ for an auto company. They now command 4.46% of the entire US auto market. An EV company. Not only is their total auto market share increasing, but their EV market share is increasing as well. This despite almost every major auto manufacturer entering the market with a century of auto making experience, and the supply chains to match.
I wonder how much of this is fulfilment of old orders (prior to Musk ruining his public image). It’d be interesting to see a chart of the amount of orders they’re getting rather than cars they’re shipping.
That parabolic growth is already baked into the price. It would need to do even better than extraordinary to make it a buy, and they won't pull that off unless they can achieve full autonomous driving, which I still think is 10 years away. Whoever is the first mover on that will be one of the richest companies on the planet.
I’m always amazed at the amount of well researched pro musk comments pop up under things like this.
I see at least two multi paragraph, cited comments including yours on this thread. Amazing how fast y’all can just fire these huge sets of data off like that!
Before you go cumming over those financials, Tesla is currently slowly losing EV market share as other US producers bring on their vehicles axios.com/…/tesla-ev-electric-vehicle-adoption.
In addition, worldwide BYD is either outselling Tesla or about to outsell Tesla depending on the vehicle type! All that after being laughed off as competition by Musk. cleantechnica.com/…/tesla-1-in-world-bev-sales-by…
The American market loss is a matter of time as the larger auto makers being additional vehicles into the market, the global market loss has been written in stone for years now.
I see at least two multi paragraph, cited comments including yours on this thread. Amazing how fast y’all can just fire these huge sets of data off like that!
I am clearly a bot, sent from the Illuminati, to promote the image of Elon Musk in his pursuit of world domination. Now that you have caught me I will commit suduko and retire to the Matrix. WAAAAAAAGAAAARBLGBLGBL
The Axios article used data from Jan 2022 to Jan 2023, and over that specific period of time Tesla did indeed lose US market share. However when you include more recent data from Q1, Tesla made a large gain QoQ, and still increased their market share YoY. The key is to use current data to support your premise.
As for BYD, while they currently command 12.6% of global BEV sales, compared to Tesla's 18.2%, they are growing quickly. I think that's great for competition, and great for the industry. Don't you?
No I’m just always amazed that you seem to have come from having this argument already fully prepared.
You can use current data, but if you are ignoring every bit of information that an investor would look at over a period of multiple financial cycles, you wouldn’t exactly be as bullish on the value and market share in comparison to other US makers who are increasing deliverables and aren’t having the same consistent QC issues.
In addition, Elon is currently leaching value from Tesla to prop up his other ventures. I will be much more invested in Tesla once the board replaces him, which as a lay person I’m guessing they’re gonna do in the next year.
Especially now that JB is back on the board. When they voted Straubel back in, Elon’s days were numbered imo.
Tesla will actually become a subsidiary of X along with SpaceX. Musk will repurchase PayPal and roll them into a single, one stop shop for all of your e-commerce needs.
That’s fair, I shouldn’t say pro musk, just researched and cited, multiparagraph long comments relating to the topic. I like specifically looking at comments that are either neutral or indifferent to something bad.
That’s the kinda shit where marketing and propaganda meet, politics and the sort of parasocial link to between people and corporations and billionaires.
Everyone just came from already having this argument somewhere else, they’ve already thought about or discussed it enough to be able to fire off relevant, cited information. I mean including me, right?
My guy you’re not wrong but this guy is stating pretty easy to find facts. Teslas do sell well, he’s not saying it’s a good thing. He’s saying very specifically because they sell well they can treat customers like garbage
I love boosting good news, especially given the enormous amount of Russian disinformation surrounding the "failure" and "slow going" of the offensive.
It was never going to be quick, or easy, and I think that the extraordinary successes of earlier Ukrainian counter-offensives set expectations higher than the reality on the ground.
But in the balance, Ukraine went from having half its territory captured by the 2nd strongest army in the world to knocking them back on their knees and retaking half of what was lost in the space of less than two years. That's an incredible success in the face of overwhelming odds, even with NATO and EU support. One only has to look at the Russian takeovers in Eastern Europe after WWII to get a sense of how unique it is that Ukraine was able to not only resist, but drive back the invaders.
From California and all Americans who support freedom, Слава Україні!
It also ignores war aren’t always won by taking and holding territory: many are won by simply outlasting the enemy’s willingness or ability to maintain the conflict.
The mainstream professional polls have been reliable for some time. They typically get within 2-3pt margin of error when taken a few days before the election, and they serve as a useful bellweather to track public sentiment. In this case, it appears jettisoning Biden is bringing voters back to the Dem fold. That’s what Dems were banking on, and I’d consider it a good thing given how much I don’t want Trump to be President.
Vote like they don’t exist.
People who obsessively follow polling are the ones most likely to vote.
Stepping aside may honestly be the single greatest show of leadership Biden has done in his lifetime. If the polls are swinging, it’s as much due to him making such a historical and respectable move as it is people surprised and refreshed by Kamala Harris.
This article is about Biden saying that women were raped on October 7th.
The article you linked is about hostages being raped while they were being held in Gaza.
EDIT: the motivation of the IDF to publish that is to maximize the chances of the hostages coming back alive - if Hamas feel the hostages might do more damage after being released by confirming claims such as rape or sexual assault, the worry is that they will simply execute them.
I don’t know how reputable that site is, but it sounds reputable
The pushback is apparently in response to comments from US State Department spokesman Matthew Miller Monday that Hamas terrorists likely held back on freeing female hostages because it did not want them to speak publicly about being subjected to rape and other sexual violence.
The pushback is not on the claim of rape and mutilation. The pushback is on the rapes being a reason to hold back on hostage release.
And I agree. The (likely) fact of the rapes and mutilation is horrific. But to even imply that is a reason that hostages are not being exchanged hurts both sides and prolongs the war. Because it implies an avenue of propaganda that would make hamas less likely to engage and it infuriates idf soldiers which leads to even more atrocities.
Are you referring to the video of the car en route to Egypt blowing up? If so, that wasn’t Israel. The only explosives in range would be missiles or artillery, which are much larger than the blast captured.
The public currently doesn’t know what caused the explosion. Some say it was fuel igniting, others say there was an IED either on the road or inside the car.
<span style="color:#323232;">That didn’t happen.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">**** And if it is, that’s not my fault.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">And if I did, you deserved it.
</span>
Israel also publicly acknowledged they bombed an ambulance convoy, they claim the ambulances were used to transport Hamas militia.
You can choose to believe or disbelieve them on their motivations (I am very skeptical, personally), but these aren’t unsubstantiated claims. These are publicly acknowledged strikes.
And with that many bombs flying around, so many buildings levelled, of course there’s going to be journalists around the place getting hit.
Israel also publicly acknowledged they bombed an ambulance convoy, they claim the ambulances were used to transport Hamas militia.
The source is hamas themselves–Not very reputable, as reputable as the IDF saying they didn’t do it.
According to the IDF, militias inside of Gaza are indeed using Ambulances and medical gear to disguise themselves. However, as previously mentioned–not very impartial.
Ok, great, we’ve gone from “Where’s the evidence?” to “Israel is justified doing those things”.
I don’t think anybody outside the Hamas command structure or the IDF command structure can conclusively and unequivocally claim they know whether these strikes were or were not justified, it all comes down to which sources you believe.
I’m glad we’ve made progress though and you acknowledge that these things happened.
yes, thanks to social media the entire world can see it now. that’s why they were cutting off internet service - because the favorable media isn’t the only game in town anymore to tell everyone “poor israel” while ignoring Israels atrocities.
Unfortunately, I can’t find the original source material, however I can link you to a video from a Rumble podcast showcasing the explosion I’m referencing. However, I did find this article, which contains much more gratuitous content, but is still on the topic of attacking refugees–The article notes that experts are unable to conclude what kind of blast it was.
if i was the IDF and I wanted to kill civilians without any witnesses, I’d use my largest and most destructive bomb to really make sure no one captures it on film.
You wouldn’t use the same armaments that your enemy is using? If I were evil, I would do my best to make it look like my enemy is the one who is killing civilians. It’s so common that there’s actually a name for it
This is simply not surprising coming from a company that literally defines anti-trust, anti-consumer, and heavy monopoly abuse. It should be broken up into hundreds of companies.
Not all terrorists blow themselves up. Some have a victim hood complex and lash out from imagined persecution because their life has been too privileged to accept the thought of loss.
You make some strange and easily debunkable claims here.
If “all Palestinians” cherished Hamas there wouldn’t be a Fatah or a PA.
The Israeli right wing literally supported Hamas over Fatah in order to justify continued violence and land theft against the Palestinians. Hamas and the settlers (who are now the Israeli government) are literally feeding off each other.
The main reason this attack succeeded was because the Gaza border was unmanned, because the current Israeli government moved the military to the West Bank in order to protect the settlers there while they commit attacks on the Palestinians there. Despite the Israeli military describing some of the actions of these settlers as a “progrom”.
The “Muslim fundamentalists of the Levant” comprise Christians and other groups too, including Jews before this entire conflict started. There had been Jews in the Levant for millennia, despite it being under Muslim rule for 1400 years. Jews were still banned from Jerusalem under the Byzantines, until the Muslims conquered it and allowed Jews to return to the city. Jerusalem had a Jewish majority when the British took control of the place.
I find this idea that the hatred is exclusively due to anti-Semitism to be the stupidest one Israel tries to put out there. Had Palestine been occupied by Bhuddists or atheists, you think they would not resist, or hate their occupier? Was the Viet-Cong motivated by anti-Christian values in fighting both France and the USA? How stupid are you?
No but you see that’s their fascists saying things, not our fascists saying things. If ours say things they must obviously be true because they don’t like them.
Even in the 2006 election (the last held in Gaza) Hamas didn’t even get a majority of votes (they got 44.45%). They were the largest party, and because of the electoral system they won a majority of seats.
A few days ago there were already more Palestinian children killed by just the current Israeli bombing of Gaza that the total of Israelis killed by Hamas’ attack.
Must have been “sympathisers with a terrorist organisation”, same as the ones who will be killed and arrested when the IDF finally enacts their Gaza invasion and anexation plan. /s
I’m no longer really surprised at this - it just makes me sad. We’re literally trying to burn down the library of Alexandria to raise the price of books.
Copyright law is a blight upon the world in its current form, and unless people take a stand it’ll rot the beauty from the net and hold humanity back.
In a portion of her acceptance speech, she spoke about mothers who had lost babies during the war in Gaza, saying the award was “deeply personal” to her.
“It pains me to see the women from my country going through unimaginable losses themselves during the current genocide in Gaza,” Jabr said in the video of her speech that she posted online.
The hospital’s spokesperson in an email said Jabr had been warned in December, "following a previous incident, not to bring her views on this divisive and charged issue into the workplace.
She commented about the active genocide of her own people, and she was fired for it. Who is the coworker getting mad at someone discussing the genocide of their own people? Some zionist just couldn’t take it, had to run off to upper mgmt? And who’s the moron in charge who decided to fire their award winning nurse because she’s sympathetic to the plight of her own people??
U.S. vehicle fuel efficiency standards administered by NHTSA have encouraged automakers to build larger vehicles. The bigger the vehicle, the lower the fuel efficiency target it has to meet.
Recently bought a new diesel silverado 3500 for my ranch. It’s enormous, I’m glad I didn’t get the dually option as it’s hard enough to drive in the city. Most of its job however is pulling trailers around.
That said, on highway if I drive the speed limit and take it easy I can get 9L/100km. It’s unreal that such a huge truck will get almost the same economy as our KIA SUV.
You don’t need that truck, same way as nobody else on the planet, no matter what their profession, needs it
Please stop this bullshit. There are most certainly reasons to own a truck that can haul big things. Including in Europe. It’s just that 90% of the trucks you see in a Costco parking lot don’t need to be that way.
What do you expect to use for hauling livestock? These can have a tow weight of 10,000 lbs, which is much more than you can do with a regular hitch. The fact that you’ve never personally seen this does not mean anything.
That can haul a livestock. How about 12? Or would you like them to make more trips (with proportional use of gas and risk of accident)?
As for F150s hauling nothing, that’s kinda my point. There’s a market above it that actually does work (F250 and up), and there’s a market that ought to exist underneath it (what used to be the Ranger, which is now much larger). You’re targeting the wrong group by focusing on trucks that haul 10,000 lbs.
Wait, how often do you need to haul stock with your F250? If every day, then it’s more optimal to by having a dedicated livestock truck, Like Volvo FL.
If you’re only moving livestock occasionally, but driving F250 daily, you’re compensating for your tiny weiner and shitting in the air that everyone breathes
Farmers haul big, heavy things around all the time. If this is news to you, then again, maybe you should step back and stop having strong opinions on things you don’t know anything about.
What do you mean ‘my experience’? These idiotic ‘trucks’ don’t exist outside America.
Ah yes, the daily drive to the shop with my two tractors. So you either drive that without two tractors 99% of the time or you’re driving the wrong vehicle. If you need to haul two tractors you do it properly - you hire a specialist with a specialist equipment. What is pictured in your picture is reckless and idiotic.
Do you have any idea how big American farms are? You can go miles and be on the same farm. That’s why American farmers have their own equipment for that.
Why do you think vans are any better? A lot of them are made on exactly the same platforms as the trucks you’re deriding, and have similar gas mileage. A Ford E350 is basically an F350.
What do you think those “specialty operators” would use?
You’ve successfully moved the goalposts from:
“People need these cars!! They’re not tiny penis enlargers!”
To: “People in US, no, Farmers in US, no, Farmers in US that own incredibly large farms need these cars!! How are they going haul two tractors at once within their own farm!”
I do occasionally see tiny-penis trucks here in Europe. Do you know what I’ve never, ever seen though? A dirty one. One used for work, rather than just showing off.
If you had to haul something heavy on a trailer, what would you use? A fuel-guzzling, heavy, unreliable shiny trinket, or a Toyota Hilux?
99% of workers with stuff to move use a van. Farmers use pickups like L200s. Accountants drive tiny-penis trucks for the tax break
Explain to me again why American contractors are the only contractors on the entire planet that need giant trucks?
What do those farmers use to move livestock around? Because you’re generally looking at a 10,000lbs trailer for that, which is F450 territory.
What you really want to go after is the lower end the truck market. Circa 2002, the Ford Ranger had a curb weight around 3,300 lbs (exact number depending on the trim) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger#/media/File:2001-2003_Ford_Ranger.jpg. The current one is around 4,200 lbs and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger#/media/File:2019_Ford_Ranger_XLT_Super_Cab_FX4_front_6.1.19.jpg. Small trucks have disappeared entirely in the US market, and there’s no good reason for it.
But when you start hitting the Ford Superduty market (F250 on up), you’re looking at people who actually use their trucks for the most part. They are big because they haul a lot of stuff and they have to be.
Still waiting for you to explain why American contractors/farmers are the only people on the planet who require these vehicles when everyone else manages with vastly smaller vehicles
I run 1000 cows on a 60,000 acre ranch in southern Alberta. It’s too rough to run a semi truck and trailer around on but I can haul a tri-axle Wilson gooseneck stock trailer with 20,000 lbs of cattle across it when I need to. There’s no roads through the ranch other than dirt trails so it takes a long time to travel through it and the fewer trips I have to make the better. Generally I’m moving cattle on horseback but occasionally I have to move old/sick/injured cows from a to b. Simply put, your European farms are miniscule and you don’t need the same capabilities that we do. The world is not uniform.
Yeah preverse incentives. When doing the wrong thing makes the most sense for the individual. Happens often in tragedy of the commons situations.
If you hit a pedestrian it is better for you that they die. If you find an endangered animal on your land it is better for you to kill it. If you have a child with someone who makes minimum wage it is better for you to divorce.
Maybe it is too much to expect but for things like this, when public policy experts came up with a standard instead of just inheriting a situation, that they plan for these things in advance. Spend a few moments and look at where the incentives are before just hammering a new policy into place.
You aren’t factoring in civil suits. Someone dead, their family can only get so much. Someone crippled can just keep going after you and might have to as they go into greater and greater levels of debt. What would you do if suddenly your income went down to about 14k USD a year and with each passing day the chances of you returning to work diminished, wouldn’t you be desperate enough to try to win some money from the person who did this to you? Wouldn’t you go along with any shyster lawyer who promised results?
Most Palestinians aren’t from the immediate region anyway. It also comes from a time when the Ottoman empire was still around and people just really thought about themselves as members of their village religious group or semi migratory tribes. Claim that their land was stolen is an argument but it’s not a very clear cut one.
Most Palestinians aren’t from the immediate region anyway. It also comes from a time when the Ottoman empire was still around and people just really thought about themselves as members of their village religious group or semi migratory tribes. Claims that their land was stolen is an argument but it’s not a very clear cut one.
Isn’t this the same argument Israel is using? That this land historically belonged to them, and they are entitled to it and have all the rights to evict Palestinians, because you know, history.
They don’t evict Palestinians, though. While on the other hand many Palestinians want to kill or exile all Jews from the area (which is the majority of Israelis).
The only claim I recognize to the land currently being fought over is that of The Kingdom of Jerusalem as proclaimed in 1099 by Godfrey of Bouillon. The title has passed to the current rightful claimant of the Kingdom, His Majesty Felipe VI, King of Spain. I demand the restoration of the rightful Catholic monarch as the blessings of the One True Church is the only way to bring peace to the Holy Land. We’ve tried allowing the Hebrew and the Saracen to govern the territory and we’ve witnessed nothing but chaos as they squabble over their false doctrines and heresies, shedding their unholy blood on the land that rightfully belongs to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to be administered by his divinely appointed representative, Felipe VI.
Israel's wet dream, an excuse to displace half of all Palestinians from their land, bomb it all to the ground, if there are casualties; "Hey, you were warned."
Don't get me wrong. Fuck Hamas, but also fuck Israel, fuck neocolonialism, fuck propaganda/disinformation about baby beheadings and free Palestine!
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