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danc4498 , to piracy in I hope someday we'll find a way to pirated a car

Worth noting that these features appear to require your car to be connected to a cellular network. This isn’t the same as BMW charging a fee for heated seats.

They could have just put a SIM card in your car and required you to pay your cell phone provider for a connection.

Wogi ,

I have something similar for my Subaru but it’s only 4 dollars a month.

It’s a fee I gladly pay to be able to start my car and set the interior climate from my phone. I imagine there’s some cost the access a network to have that functionality and I don’t see a problem paying for it.

The old style that started from a key fob required you to be a lot closer to the vehicle to start it. Right now I start it a few minutes before I leave my building a quarter of a mile away. I could start it from a different country if I wanted to. Needing to be within a few hundred feet would be pretty useless to me.

danc4498 ,

Same for me. I have the blue link with Hyundai. It’s free for 3 years, then a reasonable amount after that.

Compactor9679 ,

Yea… You are part of the damn problem

unionagainstdhmo ,
@unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone avatar

Are they? These services do require money to run, and the pricing seems very reasonable

Compactor9679 ,

You have already pay for it. Soon “cant turn Air on if you dont pay 1dll a month”

Deiv ,

Yea, maybe like 4 cents a month lol it’s nowhere near 4 dollars a month to handle a hundred lightweight API calls

kameecoding ,

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  • danc4498 ,

    I think op just doesn’t understand what the subscription is for.

    _g_be ,

    What about when a security vulnerability is discovered and your car can be started and unlocked by someone else? That’s one of my concerns with smart features from companies that aren’t primarily tech companies

    InTheEnd2021 ,

    This is free elsewhere. The fact that you’re okay paying monthly for remote start is hilarious and sad. Probably don’t tell people you’re okay with this.

    The tesla app does an INSANE amount of shit no other vehicle app does and its free. But you want to pay monthly to turn your car on 😆

    viking ,
    @viking@infosec.pub avatar

    Yeah but you need to use a Tesla.

    Wogi ,

    Except it’s a Tesla.

    _dev_null ,
    @_dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz avatar

    It’s like the Mr. Garrison’s dildo mono-wheel “it” vehicle, it’s fucking you in the ass!

    FurtiveFugitive ,

    Congrats on the new Subaru. I also happily paid for the app using the introduction 3 year plan. Hit me up when you hit year 4 and see the REAL price tag they charge.

    jjlinux ,
    @jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

    Very personal opinion of mine, I hate subscription crap. However, I have to agree that, based on what you say, Subaru’s cost is much easier to digest than Hyundai/Kia POS.

    PriorityMotif ,
    @PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

    You don’t need a cellular connection for long range, low bandwidth communication. There are networks such as Lora that don’t require a paid subscription to use.

    danc4498 ,

    That’s not what this is though. I have a Hyundai Tuscan that is always connected to a cellular network.

    I can always connect with the car with my phone if both the car and phone have internet access. It’s also how the “find my car” feature works. And also I believe software updates (OS and maps).

    PriorityMotif ,
    @PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

    I meant that they don’t have to use a cellular connection, they could use something else if they wished. LoRa is a two way data connection designed for low bandwidth, long distance. Range can be anywhere from 3-10 miles depending on obstructions/obstacles. There are other similar protocols out there.

    danc4498 ,

    3-10 miles is nothing though. With a cell phone connection your car can be anywhere a cell tower is and you can connect with it.

    PriorityMotif ,
    @PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s farther than a cell phone. A cell phone might get 3 miles maybe more if you have the high ground. It’s a lower frequency and therefore has a longer range. There are both public and private gateways for LoRa. So you can use it even if you don’t own or operate a gateway.

    danc4498 ,

    Maybe you misunderstood me. My car can be in New York City and I’m in Los Angeles and I can check it’s location and lock/unlock the doors

    PriorityMotif ,
    @PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

    You could do the same thing without using a cell network.

    Imgonnatrythis , to piracy in I hope someday we'll find a way to pirated a car

    The crazy thing is that at the price you are paying for a friggin telluride they could easily raise the price by a few hundred (ie several years worth of subscription) and it would be unlikely to shift sales by much at all but would not piss off the buyers like this. You can’t put this crap on your car loan either. I really get the sense there is a conspiracy level concerted effort to try to indoctrinate generation Z into allowing every corporation they deal with to stick an IV into their bank accounts.

    CosmicTurtle ,

    They intentionally didn’t roll the subscription into the sale price. That’s the goal. They want that sweet, predictable, monthly income that they sell their investors on.

    They also figured that if you’ve found your car, you’re less likely to walk away for what is essentially a fraction of the car’s price.

    I honestly hope the next car I buy has shit like this. Because boy am I going to make it my mission to jailbreak it and release my code open source.

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    If you are clever, confident, and savvy about it I think you could get your next car for free. If there was a kickstarter type project where I could pledge an amount in support of a jailbreak for a car I owned or was thinking of getting, I’d pledge a decent amount, I think a lot of people would.

    CosmicTurtle ,

    That’s the irony of all of this. I too would donate to a project that was actively trying to do this, even donate to their legal fund. I’d probably pay more than the subscription!

    These asshole companies just don’t realize that a determined developer and engineer will move heaven and earth to make sure that their freedoms (as in speech) aren’t restricted.

    I don’t care if it’s illegal. It’s my fucking car. Once you sell it to me, it ceases to be your property. You leave $100 bill in the glove compartment before you sell it to me? Well it’s mine now.

    You leave software on my car’s computer? Welp, it’s mine now.

    Quadhammer ,

    Right to repair is a main line issue for me

    jjlinux ,
    @jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

    Keep us posted on make and model. I sure as hell will try to get one myself and help you test the shit out of that jailbreak.

    jaykay ,
    @jaykay@lemmy.zip avatar

    10 years of this subscription is $1500. Would anyone blink if they were buying a new car for 1500 more? lol

    winterayars ,

    They’re training people for even worse subscription models.

    Transporter_Room_3 , to memes in The best part of driving a shitbox is that I don't have to care too much about it.
    @Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

    What I like about my car is that it wears its history proudly.

    And that scares the shit out of anyone around me because it looks like I intentionally smash into people.

    It’s just how I got it, but I certainly enjoy using that to my advantage.

    spicytuna62 OP ,
    @spicytuna62@lemmy.world avatar

    I get that. My Civic has been through the wringer lately.

    Here it is in 2020 getting some minor flood damage.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/37149295-fccc-4589-86da-79c8d71c36b2.jpeg

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/18223e2e-d181-43a2-a70e-567ae00bb208.jpeg

    It got high enough to mess with the computer, but the car still worked fine after. The odometer would just disappear sometimes. That has since resolved itself. But I’m sure that some electrical gremlins will crawl out of the woodwork in the next few years. The water brought out a lot of odors hiding in the upholstery. It stank bad for a few months after, but it smells ok now. It does get a little fresh on hot humid days.

    Here’s the poor Mustang parked across from me. I’m sure they weren’t having a good day after that.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7ed76243-c5b5-4e0c-91c1-5cec7d3fa7bb.jpeg

    Here it is not six months later after a major hailstorm passed through.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f3d1e9a6-802b-4023-b80a-f9aa3df75367.jpeg

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/23af8f94-8f29-4fb0-9d43-eddd9594c8ef.jpeg

    I got on Safelite’s website immediately because I knew glass was going to be in short supply very soon. They came out a week later and threw a new one on. That was just over 300 bucks. Another great part of owning an old shitbox is how inexpensive parts are.

    Aside from this, my wife got into an accident in it in 2015 and then I got rear ended twice in 2019. We still have the car. It keeps on trucking along. I do want to replace it with an Accord of the same vintage, but that’s because I want a cheap manual I can daily.

    Alto ,
    @Alto@kbin.social avatar

    I miss my old accord so much.

    MajorMajormajormajor ,

    On my phone when I first saw the picture of the interior, the push-pull lever for gas tank flap and trunk looks like an angry face. Just thought you should know.

    DoomsdaySprocket ,

    I just did front brakes on my mk4 Jetta…. in the middle of a west coast snowfall, aka “the world is ending, just like last year!”

    Simpler, cleaner design than industrial equipment, and that stuff is made to be worked on by gorillas like me. Actual work time was less than shoveling it out of 14” of falling snow.

    All hail the manual shitbox!

    n7gifmdn ,
    @n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca avatar

    oh my! so sad!

    photonic_sorcerer , to lemmyshitpost in Ewwwwwwwww
    @photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Idk man… Guns are kinda phallic… Wouldn’t it be gay to make one shoot??

    Tak ,
    @Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

    That’s why I like to stick the butt up against me and reach around working the trigger till it blasts.

    photonic_sorcerer ,
    @photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Sounds kinda hot ngl

    Tak ,
    @Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

    It is. Personally I love the suppressed ones that don’t get too loud when I cock them, work their safety, and work their oiled parts tenderly.

    pancakes ,
    @pancakes@sh.itjust.works avatar

    You think it would be gay to make the long, hard, round, rod discharge all over the place?

    photonic_sorcerer ,
    @photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Possibly

    kittenzrulz123 ,

    Not if you have socks on

    photonic_sorcerer ,
    @photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Oh damn, I forgot to wear socks today… ;)

    kittenzrulz123 ,

    :3

    steal_your_face ,
    @steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

    Depends if it’s your gun or someone else’s.

    Lev_Astov ,
    @Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

    True wisdom.

    moistclump ,

    Have we tried pushing this message and seeing if it helps the mass shootings?

    ocassionallyaduck , to memes in Tinder o Duolingo?

    To bad duolingo has killed all these features and replaced them with bots.

    sirdorius ,

    Yeah, those new avatars are so lame. Everyone just looks the same now; I can’t even recognize people I know IRL because they’re all a silly cartoon character. I can’t believe people actually rushed to use them

    Hackerman_uwu , to lemmyshitpost in Should this be in unethical life pro tips

    So you accidentally learned the greatest lesson the church has to offer. Salvation for a profit.

    phoenixz ,

    Also, religious fanatics are really gullible

    Chakravanti ,

    Well…they are religious. SKY CAKE!

    Varyk , to mildlyinfuriating in Unsubscribe link from their emails takes you to this. You then to need to sign in with email and password (I don't know my password) to manage preference. I just want all out!

    Block, report spam/phishing

    westyvw ,

    Maybe I am ignorant, but report to who?

    I guess below in another comment that was answered. Send it to their registrar.

    Varyk , (edited )

    Yeah I had to do this to a couple lists because I have a very simple email address that gets added to things all the time, but if it’s really irritating to unsubscribe, I just click my email settings to report spam or fishing, and that usually creates an automatic filter for that center so you never get bothered again.

    You can manually create a filter in the settings to send all their messages to trash or spam if you want as well.

    slurpeesoforion ,

    With a lot of people using free email services, most have some report button. What this does is flag the specific email as potential spam that you specifically do not want to see. With enough people doing that, the probability of the email and subsequently the source domain being spam and spam generators goes up. High probability means the emails may end up in the spam folder without hitting your inbox.

    There’s a bit of fine tuning email marketing can do to mitigate that, like not sending emails too frequently. But that’s not a passive thing they can do, which is why there are teams devoted to email marketing specifically at some companies.

    The worst thing for a marketeer is to be dumped in spam. No one will ever see it or any future emails.

    pantyhosewimp ,
    Num10ck , to internetfuneral in mine

    wouldnt 8 be the most possible? no biggie just click somewhere else.

    Heavybell ,
    @Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

    Think that’s the joke, yeah.

    BrikoX , to nostupidquestions in Why didn't SBF flee?
    @BrikoX@lemmy.zip avatar

    He believed he was untouchable due to his political contributions to both sides, but he underestimated the reach some of his investors that he stole from had themselves.

    AnarchistsForDemocracy OP ,
    @AnarchistsForDemocracy@lemmy.world avatar

    I see, basically he was delusional…maybe it was the drugs after all…

    gregorum ,

    Nope. Narcissism and Self delusion. The most powerful drug of all.

    Enkers ,

    You steal from the ultra-rich, this is what happens. If you want into the club, you help them steal from joe-average.

    FreeAZ , to lemmyshitpost in Her pussy

    Say hello to her kitty

    RIP_Cheems ,
    @RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t want eyes anymore, thank you

    Excrubulent ,
    @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

    I’ll take them, just in a bag, thanks!

    GrammatonCleric , to lemmyshitpost in The barbieheimer debate rages
    @GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    This shit is so damn stale, starving pigeons won’t eat it.

    lukas , (edited ) to piracy in Got high, wanted to watch mythbusters, and see this. Great experience.
    @lukas@lemmy.haigner.me avatar

    We’re delighted to see you enjoy your hulu experience! Based on your experience so far, how likely are you to recommend hulu to a friend on a scale of 1 to 10?

    user224 ,

    Why do these questions never start at -10? You know, likely to recommend staying away.

    CodexArcanum , to mildlyinfuriating in I just want to set a timer for MY FOOD WINDOWS WHY?

    We have altered the Clock app. Pray we do not alter it further.

    Anticorp ,

    It will now report home every timer you’ve ever set, what names you gave them, and what browser tabs were open at the time.

    Rootiest ,
    @Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

    But not what time you set the fingers for. That’s in a future update

    dgriffith , (edited )

    “We’re making the clock app cloud enabled! Now you’ll be able to set and clear alarms from any of your Windows™ connected devices! We’ve also implemented customisable actions with PowerShell scripting now fully integrated! Want your display to show a lovely sunrise every morning? Clock App can do it!”

    Next minute -

    “Security update 13112023-33: A malicious user can access the internet-exposed ClockAccess™ interface on your devices, setting alarms with scripted actions that can cause complete loss or exfiltration of your data.

    To mitigate this issue, we have shifted ClockAccess™ to a more secure, fully cloud-based service. This also means that once updated, the application will be unavailable if there is no internet access. Please adjust your usage of the application accordingly.

    As the Clock app runs under a Local Administrator account on consumer versions of Windows™ and Domain Administrator on Windows Server™ machines, this is a high priority update and it will be installed on application startup without user confirmation. You may notice increased resource utilisation by the Clock App, this is a necessary increase due to new and improved security features. It is recommended that at least one vCPU and 1.5GB of memory be made available at all times for efficient operation of the app.”

    c0mbatbag3l ,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    This deal is getting worse all the time!

    ComradePorkRoll , to lemmyshitpost in Interior design

    I’m going to say “I hope we don’t get off on the wrong foot” and then they’re going to ask me to leave.

    The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
    @The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

    Bravo. This is a great joke that I will never have the right context to repeat…

    ComradePorkRoll ,

    Life is cruel like that.

    DreadPirateShawn ,

    Either that or you’ll be sole-mates.

    Diva , to memes in Anti Homeless Architecture
    @Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

    There is already an order of magnitude more unused housing than unhoused people- the problem is that the market is involved and that requires winners and losers.

    That’s why you have people dying of exposure in the richest country in the history of the world. God damn america.

    Asafum ,

    G-give…away? N-n-no money for me?? But money me, now. Money now. Money! House = money! Empty house, no money is ok, full house no money NOT OK!

    CoMmUnIsM!!!

    -Landleeches

    oatscoop ,

    Throw in unaddressed mental health and drug crises.

    BattleBeetle ,

    Land of the free. Free to sleep under any bridge that isn’t spiked.

    bartolomeo ,
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.”

    -Anatole France

    NightAuthor ,

    Beautiful

    MooseBoys ,

    Not only that - they’re dying in the street immediately adjacent to vacant luxury condos.

    Sarmyth ,

    Are the homeless people where the empty homes are? That’s the concern I have. There are really cheap empty houses throughout the country, but the homeless are congregate in large groups in some of the most expensive states/cities in the country. I dont think there are that many empty homes in San Francisco that are available for rent/purchase that are just being left empty for months at a time.

    Where are people sourcing that information from?

    Diva ,
    @Diva@lemmy.ml avatar

    It’s off the aggregate numbers. I’m sure that there’s a lot of useless suburban sprawl pumping the numbers up. The “most efficient system” is an abject failure when it comes to housing people unless the only metric you care about is revenue generation for shithead inheritors.

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