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youngGoku , to mildlyinfuriating in Facepalm

I would rather donate to ad blockers lel

13esq ,

Imagine being that dug in over a couple of five second ads.

mdurell ,

Yeah, imagine a company being so dug into ruining the user experience.

13esq ,

Imagine a company wanting to make money rather than run as a charity for needy content consumers.

Snowpix ,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

Imagine licking the boots of a soulless billion dollar corporation.

13esq ,

I don’t think watching a couple of five second skippable ads every now and again counts as bootlicking, but I can’t be tossed to argue with you.

DeanFogg ,

I logged on just to tell you to make sure to get the laces nice and clean

ilinamorato ,

Bro, you’re five children deep in the thread. You’ve lost the “I won’t argue with you” opportunity at this point, just own it.

theKalash ,

I don’t think watching a couple of five second skippable ads every now and again counts as bootlicking

Agree. However suggesting to others that this is ok, definitly is.

Nobsi ,
@Nobsi@feddit.de avatar

Ironic to be defending companies on a platform designed to subvert companies

sleepy555 ,

More like multiple 30 second to 2 minute ads in an 8 minute video.

13esq ,

I don’t know what sort of channels you watch but I absolutely do not get a similar experience and I watch a shit load of YouTube

danque ,
@danque@lemmy.world avatar

I got 2 15 second ads for a clip of 30 seconds that wasn’t even their own content. No thank you.

13esq ,

Back to back ads are only an option for videos five minutes or longer. You’re talking shite.

support.google.com/youtube/answer/2467968?hl=en-G….

macgyveringIt ,

Then you rewind to a part needing review and end up seeing the damn ads again. Same irrelevant ads that I cannot figure out why they insist on me seeing.

HiddenLayer5 ,

Might as well spend my money on things I support if I’m gonna spend money at all.

dasgoat ,

You haven’t been on the internet recently have you

CanadaPlus ,

Either that, or they ironically use adblockers/an alternative frontend.

dasgoat ,

Lol, for real

MedicPigBabySaver ,

dumbass

Gestrid ,

Oh, if only they were just 5 seconds.

ilinamorato ,

A couple five second ads I can handle. What I can’t handle are two unskippable 15-30 second ads at the beginning of every video and at 2-3 random points throughout each video without warning; especially after over a decade of pretty much never watching ads for anything.

NikkiDimes , (edited )

Found the premium subscriber.

13esq , (edited )

I don’t subscribe. I put up with a few short ads here and there. I thought that should be obvious given the other comments I’ve made in this thread.

squiblet , to memes in I won’t download your stupid app
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

Same. Their reasoning and the warning in general make no sense. Why would it be safer to view “unreviewed content” (wetf that means) in their app vs a browser?

idunnololz ,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Because the app is so packed with ads, you won’t be viewing any content anyways.

EmergMemeHologram ,

I despise whoever made new Reddit. You can only view comment chains two levels deep in new Reddit, then replies at one level, which means you need to constantly keep loading a new page and ads to see each reply in a thread.

Who the hell thought of that? It’s a horrible UX.

TheFriar ,

Lol that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. But I can tell you who thought of it, easily. The people optimizing the ad revenue. UX isn’t their focus, but boosting profits is.

gnutrino ,

Is it going to boost profits though? This sort of thing is always presented as an easy way to boost ad revenue but when you’re selling ads at the volume reddit is I would have thought click-through rate would be king and it’s going to decimate that.

TheFriar ,

I’m sure if there’s one thing they’ve really gotten the hang of, it’s optimizing advertising profits. They explicitly said they’re killing third party apps because they want to sell user data. (In so many words). I can’t imagine they hadn’t thought of what makes them money. I imagine, actually, it’s what 95% OF their focus has gone toward recently.

kubica ,
@kubica@kbin.social avatar

I remember the redesign feedback subreddit. Any small suggestion was attacked by dozens of bootlickers. And here we are now.

Delphia , to noncredibledefense in The USS Every State In The Country

“FIRE ALL PORT SIDE GUNS!”

does barrel roll

Wodge ,
@Wodge@lemmy.world avatar

Spins so fast it generates the energy needed to power the entire ship.

Mr_Fish ,

Try spinning, that’s a good trick

verity_kindle ,

No. NOPREQUELS. NO.

Natanael ,

Worked great in pirates of the Caribbean

Rolando ,

The spin creates a tsunami to deliver even more damage.

vivadanang ,

that’s why it has a dozen anchors on each side of the hull. proper preparation prevents piss poor projectiling.

mindbleach ,

And stops your pewpew from making you go plunk.

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

That’s why navies stopped using broadsides and went to turrets about 150 years ago. Well, it’s one of the reasons anyway. Turrets also worked a lot better once you shifted to steam power and didn’t have to worry so much about rigging. Additionally, you could mount a much bigger gun on a turret than you could using broadsides on the sides of a wooden sailing ship.

mindbleach ,

Turrets also prevent what happened to the Vasa, which was the most powerful sailing ship of its time. Its time being 10th August 1626, from 3:40 pm to four o’clock. The king of Sweden ordered it to be made longer, halfway through building it. This scope creep turned out to have negative implications vis-a-vis keeping the gun ports above the waterline.

Swedneck , to mildlyinfuriating in Neighbour deliberately blocking OP
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

no shit the offender drives a pavement princess pickup truck

Dettweiler42 ,

Considering I don’t see a lift kit, expanded exhaust, and giant low-profile tires; this just looks like a regular pickup truck to me. The luster on the paint is even a little faded, so it’s getting old. Driver is just an asshole here. Probably a shitty driver, since the rear bumper is hanging at an angle.

RickyRigatoni ,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

No you don’t understand everyone who drives a pickup is bad no matter what fuckcars told me so

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

dude, a pickup truck is terrible no matter how you qualify it, they’re needlessly huge and have barely any cargo space, they’re just objectively bad in every single way.

there is no use case where a pickup truck is better than something like a kei truck, they even come in actually usefully lifted versions that would traverse offroad environments better since they’re lighter.

thoughtorgan ,

Are you seriously saying a fucking kei truck is more useful than a pickup?

You’ve never done a day of blue collar work and it shows. That chintzy little JDM truck can’t do half of what America’s work force needs.

creditCrazy ,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

Unless you’re talking about towing other cars and carrying entire trees yea a kai probably wouldn’t make the cut but for furniture transportation fire wood mail delivery and mulch transportation are all things that take way less horsepower than you think hell even with car towing I’ve done with a dinky little 4 wheeler from the 80s if a atv can do all the things I mentioned a kai can absolutely accomplish them and you don’t take up soo much space when you take your haul through the city the reason everyone hates full size pickups is because soo many people just use them to get groceries and nothing more

thoughtorgan ,

It’s good as a shop truck sure. But most American CARS have double the payload weight of a kei.

They have a place, but what I was responding to was nonsense. Pickup trucks are a necessity for tons of work. A lot of crews doing different work haul trailers full of their tools and material.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

so what’s so magical about the US that people need pickups there but not in the rest of the world? If you need to haul tools you have a van, which can carry a vastly larger volume without getting things wet.

thoughtorgan ,

I’m not going to sit here and argue workforce necessities with you.

Your statement was false, that’s it. Pickup trucks are an immutable necessity for the vast majority of workers in America.

Cope harder.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

you’re the one who’s clearly coping and seething lol, but hey have fun

limelight79 ,

Yeah, that’s an insane comment. I regularly tow an 8,500 lbs trailer with my pickup and regularly haul 2,000 lbs of pellets for our stove in it. Sometimes I tow the trailer with an additional 500 lbs of stuff in the bed of the pickup. I seriously doubt a kei truck - which aren’t even available here in the US - could handle either of those tasks.

thoughtorgan ,

Yeah, the post reads like someone who’s never done any manual labor in their life.

I’m their mind pickup trucks were being used to haul paper and poster board to their office job. Hahahahaha

limelight79 ,

And let’s face it, there are quite a few pickups around that have never hauled anything. But to claim they can’t haul anything is just bizarre.

thoughtorgan ,

Agreed. My argument is not that pickups are also owned and not used to their full potential.

My argument is that pickup trucks are the affordable workhorse of America. You can pickup a cheap second hand truck and beat the shit out of it while getting the job done.

Need to demolish a concrete structure at a customers house and dispose of it cheaply? Have you workers toss the rubble into the bed of your $5000 f150 to dispose of yourself. You wouldn’t want to do the same into a vans cargo space with all your tools.

Most work trucks in America tow a trailer full of tools and other materials that can’t get messed up, that’s why it’s really handy to have a bed attached to the truck for waste or extra tools.

limelight79 ,

I agree.

We have a 3/4 ton Ram 2500 with the diesel for the aforementioned towing and hauling, and there’s no question it’s a luxury vehicle. I recognize that. I also don’t daily drive it - it’s 9 years old and still has less than 60k miles on it and my plan is to keep it as close to forever as possible.

If we weren’t towing the trailer and hauling those pellets with it, an old beater half ton would still be a pretty handy vehicle to have around. I occasionally need lumber for various projects around the house; I have to run things to the dump sometimes; I sometimes need to get propane (which shouldn’t be carried in an enclosed vehicle for obvious reasons, though I did it many times before we had a pickup); sometimes I’m working on a car and need to carry a greasy or oily part; sometimes I move heavy arcade games; and so on.

Maybe a kei truck would work for those latter tasks, I don’t know…since they aren’t available here, the whole argument is kind of moot. If the manufacturers thought there was a reasonable market and profit for them, they’d be doing it. My understanding (which may be incorrect) is that the kei trucks do not meet US crash standards, and modifying them to meet that standard would kill the utility they have now.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

there is no use case where a pickup truck is better than something like a kei truck

I like the mini-trucks like the Kei, they are practical and useful for light loads around town. What they don’t do is heavy loads and / or long distances.

So here’s a “use case” where my full sized American pickup truck is required. Several times in the last 6 months I’ve pulled a triple axle trailer weighing 12,000lbs (5,440 kilograms) a distance of 200 miles (320 kilometers) at an elevation of 6,000 feet (1,828 meters) ). Assuming the weight didn’t collapse the rear axle or buckle the frame on a Kei then trying to actually pull the weight would certainly destroy the transmission and / or engine.

If you want to discuss “cargo space” then ALL pickups, including the Kei, suck. Holding cargo internally is what van bodies are for, not pickup bodies. This why city based tradesman the world over drive chassis with van bodies.

So called “Off Road” is a whole different can of worms, nearly no one really does it (even if they think they do) and I’d submit that NO mass produced pickup is truly suited for it as real Off Roading is done with vehicles specialized for the terrain they are working in.

Mini-trucks are great at what they’re meant for but they aren’t meant for everything.

Dettweiler42 ,

If you live in a village and don’t have to haul much weight or drive far, sure, kei trucks make sense. I definitely saw them around Germany and France. In the US, everything is spread out. Also, kei trucks aren’t widely available in the US, and certainly not as much as Pickup trucks. Pickup trucks are also designed with use as a daily driver, since most people buying one will have that as their only vehicle. For someone with a great need of one, it’s both a highway vehicle and an off-road capable vehicle with high ground clearance. It’s a truck that will let you tow a trailer full of equipment one day and make that 50-mile commute to work the next.

paraphrand , to lemmyshitpost in This airBNB was supposed to be a "relaxing retreat" but now I need therapy after this shit.

People love the idea of wall mounted tvs. But they have no will to consider the details.

At least it’s not also over a fireplace.

flambonkscious ,

So true (about the details). Really doesn’t work retro fitting

Kecessa ,

Well it’s possible to retrofit, you need to be willing to open the wall which is not a bad thing as it allows you to make a frame so you can center the TV exactly where you want it.

IndefiniteBen ,

At least they have an excuse if it’s mounted over the fireplace.

What compelled them to mount it so high on an almost blank wall?!

BossDj ,

I bet it’s excellent in a laid-back recliner

fmstrat ,

High enough to be.

paraphrand ,

That’s true

soloner ,

I have a TV over the fireplace. Do you think it’s too high? To me it feels good.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8e5a9071-5624-4d43-9a61-0d09cd4e2193.jpeg

caseyweederman ,

Okay now show me a fireplace over a TV

ryathal ,

There’s no perspective without floor, but based on the shelves I’d say it’s too high. A TV should be at roughly eye level from where you look at it.

Donjuanme ,

While being over a fireplace causes the TV to sit too high, the real concern with that location is heat and particulate matter released from the fireplace.

scottywh ,

I love my TV over my fireplace.

People are weird.

paraphrand ,

If it works for you that’s great. Every one I’ve experienced is so high up that it is literally a pain in the neck.

I suspect a minority of TVs over fireplaces are rarely used, or just used for utility (news, etc). Those ones are usually the worst ones where you question the sanity of placing it there.

Also, after pondering it more, I also suspect really large TVs up higher with a father back seating position are less of an issue. If you visualize that, the angle of looking up gets shallower the farther back you go.

The cliche of TVs over fireplaces being bad starts with smaller tvs many years ago. I suspect your situation is a reasonable distance back. And your tv is big enough to support that distance.

amenotef , (edited )
@amenotef@lemmy.world avatar

Indeed. I have my TV on a TV desk and behind it there is a huge mess of cables, all kind of hidden.

On my desk I have:

  • ISP modem,
  • personal router
  • gigalan powered switch
  • VPN server (edgerouter X)
  • Toslink hifi dac
  • passive preamp with IR receiver to control the volume
  • The TV
  • x2 powered monitors (KRK RP6G3).
  • PS5 console
  • One headphone amp that lately I’m not using (Lyr 2) and I think I’ll reallocate.
  • A CCWGTV
  • And one HDMI cable coming from the PC.

I use the desk to organise/hide everything. If I didn’t have it this would be a horrible mess.

Jaysyn , (edited ) to lemmyshitpost in Now this is how you conduct a poll.
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

Cause nothing screams "sound judgement" like a nicotine addiction.

ignotum ,

A used heroin needle poll however, that’s how you get the opinions of our greatest minds

superduperenigma ,

I love when people are like “if you get a windfall of money you’ll probably go bankrupt. Look at the statistics from lottery winners, 70% of them end up broke.”

Ah yes, a subset of the population whose only common traits are that they gamble and make objectively terrible financial decisions. Obviously this group should be the benchmark for the financial literacy and money management of the general population.

TheGoldenV ,

Well now I wonder if there’s a control for that in the studies. Would I make good or poor choices in the same situation?

I’d still roll the dice.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

True, though let’s not act as if the family and friends constantly asking for money or expectating it, old acquaintances suddenly claiming you abused/assaulted/scammed them knowing you’ll just settle out of court to get them to fuck off, haven’t happened even to fiscally responsible people as well.

There’s more than just bad financial literacy with some of them, as not all lottery winners are always broke gamblers. The majority are, but not all. So the fact that almost every single person loses it all in a couple years should indicate that it still has massive potential to make your life harder even if you know what you’re doing and don’t succumb to massive overspending.

QuinceDaPence , (edited )

I think I could actually lay low pretty easy. Everything I'd buy people know I've been saving up for for a while. And they all take time to get even if you have the money so it wouldn't be all at once.

Plus my "dream [property/vehicle/hobby items/etc]" are all fairly atainable. Like theres a certain classic vehicle I want that usually goes for 20-30k just the configuration I want is a little difficult to find.

superduperenigma ,

Not all states allow you to collect winnings anonymously. I doubt your relatives are actively monitoring lottery winners, but there may be some sleazy, ambulance chasing lawyers that do and would “preemptively” reach out to family and friends to let them know they’re happy to represent them if they “just so happen” to suffer any damages from you.

shalafi ,

No, winners aren’t all dumbasses. This post is smart and important to understand the whole thing.

old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/…/chb38xf/

xmunk , to programmerhumor in Just One Last Thing

I disagree.

Be…before I go. Could you approve all my experimental PRs?

Real story, I have a branch that’s been open for four years at my company to add support for nested postgres transactions. It works flawlessly… but we, the senior devs, are uncertain if it’s a power that would be used responsibly by the juniors. If I’m going to walk into the light, I’m going to make sure there’s a badass explosion behind me.

Artyom ,

Godspeed my friend. 10/10 I would use that irresponsibly.

eluvatar ,

I’ve got one for a vscode feature (middle mouse click for go-to definition) that I want but the maintainers don’t think it would be used.

Opisek ,

I’m in the niche of niches by using vsc with a vim plugin while being a dvorak user. I rely on vim’s langmap feature to get anywhere, but people implementing vim emulators blissfully ignore accessibility like that. So I went and implemented langmap in vsc’s vim plugin myself. It has minimal intervention into the existing codebase and a bunch of other people have been wishing for this for years. Yet, when it comes to merging… Silence.

eluvatar ,

Can’t you just open source your fork? I mean yeah it does suck but still. I’ve been in the same place and it does suck when they won’t take your PR.

IHateReddit ,

I try to use middle click for definition in vscode so often because you can do that in jetbrains IDEs…

eluvatar ,

Give this PR some love then. It works and it’s magical but they don’t seem interested in merging it in. github.com/microsoft/vscode/pull/154465

rwhitisissle , (edited ) to programmerhumor in I love it when I have to scream at a computer

The phrase “SQL programmers” is so fucking weird. SQL isn’t a programming language. It’s a query language. You don’t “program” things with SQL. You utilize SQL as a component of programs for data insertion and lookup, but the actual logic of execution is done in a programming language. Unless you’re doing Oracle PL/SQL, in which case why are you giving money to Oracle?

Edit: Damn, this comment made people mad.

KarmaPolice ,

Most database engines support stored procedures. You don’t need to give money to oracle, you can give it to Microsoft instead.

fmstrat ,

Or not at all? Postgres? MariaDB? I think I missed the /s. I’m slow hah

KarmaPolice ,

Yes, those work :-) giving money to MS was more of a joke.

fmstrat ,

This doesn’t make sense to me. SPs and functions are in every major database. If I wrote a bash script that runs like a program, and sounds like a program, did I program it? Script it?

And lots of systems have nested logic in the DB, optimization often leads to that to reduce overhead. Unless you’re being lazy with an ORM like prisma that can’t even join properly.

Getting high performing queries is just as difficult as any other programming language, and should be treated as such. Even Lemmy’s huge performance increases to .18ish came from big PG optimizations.

mbp ,
@mbp@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It seems to be about yelling at others that “you’re not a real programmer!!!” mixed with being so “technically correct” my eyes can no longer roll the same way they used to.

rwhitisissle ,

Admittedly, this discussion is more one of semantics than anything. It’s pretty clear I’m arguing that SQL is not a “General Purpose Language,” and that proficiency in that domain is what constitutes programming. Which, yeah, is arguably somewhat arbitrary. But my point is that, colloquially, someone who only works with SQL isn’t a programmer. Data Engineer, sure. DBA. Also, sure. Depends on what you do. Programmer? Not really. Not unless you (as in the person, not “it’s theoretically possible”) can use raw SQL to read in video data from a linux system device file and then encode it to mp4 and just nobody’s told me.

fmstrat ,

Do that in Javascript. Or HTML. Or CSS. Or by that logic is a web developer not a programmer? What about microcontroller programmers?

I could easily write a full logic program in SQL where the API just feeds it data, which is the inverse of how you treat SQL. Admittedly that’s not as common, but it happens pretty frequently in areas of big data, like medical.

I’ve hired Senior Software Engineers that were DBAs, and others that weren’t. They were a development team, all programmers in their own right.

Random_user ,

It’s mostly ignorance. People tend to underestimate or dismiss things they don’t completely understand.

Heavybell ,
@Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

MS SQL Server has this thing called Replication. It’s a feature to keep tables in sync between databases, and even database servers. There’s merge replication (two way), snapshot replication (one way scheduled publishing), and transaction replication (one way live-ish publishing).

And the logic is all implemented in T-SQL stored procedures.

I fucking hate it.

SomeNewThing ,

T-SQL is turing complete. While the MS SQL server has limitations on OS level operations, if you allow yourself some leeway with CLR wrappers for the win32 API, there’s no reason I can think of you wouldn’t be able to get the database engine to be a webserver reacting to incoming requests on port 80, or drawing GUIs based off of table state.

It’s be slow and terrible, but doable.

Wojwo ,

It’s doable. Personal experience

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Your knowledge of data engineering may be limited. SQL is predominant in data processing nowadays. FOSS tools such as DBT allows to write efficient data processing pipelines with SQL and some YAML config without the need for a general purpose coding language.
Why would anyone want that? Because SQL has the interesting property of describing the result you want rather than describing how to compute it. So you can put inside the database, a query engine with decades of optimizations, that will make a much better job at finding the best execution plan than the average developer.
It also means it’s easier to train people for data processing nowadays.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Learning DBT was pretty easy for me as a data analyst. Now I’m contributing to my company’s data warehouse instead of just pulling existing data.

XTornado ,

Me losing my mind in 3000 lines of Oracle PL/SQL processing scripts in a Bank some time ago agrees with your last statement.

Gentoo1337 ,
@Gentoo1337@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m a markdown programmer and i disagree with this statement

AVincentInSpace ,

LaTeX being called “programming” I can see, but I’ve never heard someone try to justify Markdown as programming. It’s just formalizing things people were already doing to format text in plain text files into approximately half of a standard.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

You don’t “program” things with SQL

Why not? It sounds like you haven’t written any OLAP queries :)

I’ve written ETL data pipelines using a system similar to Apache Airflow, where most of the logic is in SQL (either Presto or Apache Spark) with small pieces of Python to glue things together. Queries that are thousands of lines long that take ~30 minutes to run and do all sorts of transformations to the data. They run once per day, overnight. I’d definitely call that programming.

Most database systems support stored procedures, which are just like functions - you give them some input and they give you some output and/or perform some side effects.

BurnerPhone867 ,

thousands of lines long that take ~30 minutes

Oh yea!!! Well I have 76 lines of code that takes up to 18 hours to run for 1 client!!!

/s

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Haha I only mentioned the run time to provide some context, since a lot of people have only ran OLTP queries that take less than a few seconds to run.

corship ,

SQL is turing complete

traches ,

So is PowerPoint

threelonmusketeers ,

So is Magic: The Gathering

rwhitisissle ,

So is Tex. And, yet, I still don’t put it under the “programming languages I know” section on my resume. Probably because it’s not a programming language.

Random_user ,

Try it. Maybe you won’t need a resume anymore.

rwhitisissle ,

It’s important to keep an up to date resume, even if you’re employed. That’s a little life pro tip for you kids out there, with your iphones and your tik toks and your Fortnite dances and your existential malaise brought about by encroaching climate disaster and advanced technoindustrial capitalism.

AnarchistArtificer ,

What section would you put it under? It isn’t clear to me where it would fit

corship ,

Where you put it is not my problem.

The general census is that latex actually is an example of programming languages sharing semantics with non programming languages and not being intend as a programming language.

since you linked to wikipedia:

The domain of the language is also worth consideration. Markup languages like XML, HTML, or troff, which define structured data, are not usually considered programming languages.[12][13][14] Programming languages may, however, share the syntax with markup languages if a computational semantics is defined. XSLT, for example, is a Turing complete language entirely using XML syntax.[15][16][17] Moreover, LaTeX, which is mostly used for structuring documents, also contains a Turing complete subset.[18][19]

Programming language

Sometimes even non Turing complete languages are considered a programming language but Turing completeness usually is the criteria agreed upon:

The majority of practical programming languages are Turing complete,[5] and all Turing complete languages can implement the same set of algorithms. ANSI/ISO SQL-92 and Charity are examples of languages that are not Turing complete, yet are often called programming languages.[6][7] However, some authors restrict the term “programming language” to Turing complete languages.[1][8]

frippa ,
@frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m a magic the gathering programmer

Mbourgon ,

Bahahahhahahahhahahahhahahaa. No.

vrighter ,

stored procedures

quackers ,

This comment has a concerning amount of replies. Its just semantic BS.

trailing9 , to lemmyshitpost in incredible

All you have to do is teaching intelligent people some math and tell them about experiments and that nature can be understood. The rest will follow.

Everything can be accelerated by adding the idea of the printing press.

WarmSoda ,

Did the Greeks not do experiments? They knew math. They even hypothetically knew about atoms.

alvvayson ,

Same can be said of all the ancient civilizations.

But the key insight is that all of nature is predictable and behaves according to natural laws that can be deduced through experiments.

That leads to the scientific revolution which leads to the industrial revolution.

yata ,

In Sid Meier’s Civilization sure, but real history is a lot more complex than that. There were people who came to that conclusion since ancient times without it leading to a scientific and industrial revolution, because there were a lot more factors at play with those than just simply the idea of it.

alvvayson ,

An idea has to be widely accepted to be useful.

Just having one person think about it while the rest of society doesn’t is insufficient.

HardlightCereal ,

The actual reason science took off is that there was a plague leading to a worker shortage leading to a wealth boom, while a lot of rich people had access to coffee and nothing to do.

alvvayson ,

While I, too, am a big fan of the Coffee hypothesis, it should be noted that lots of civilizations had access to caffeine and other stimulants, including the Arabs, Chinese and Incas and probably the Roman’s, Greeks and Persians too.

And there were a lot of plagues, but most of them happened long before the scientific revolution.

WarmSoda ,

Free time and the wealth to have that time is what I also think the catalyst is. Same with arts. You can’t do experiments or spend time on art if your entire life is consumed by labor.

AngryCommieKender ,

So the time traveler needs to have been exposed to COVID, got it.

jmcs ,

The Greeks held themselves back because most of their intellectual elite considered abstract thought as more noble than hands-on experimenting.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Also Aristotle accidently killing atomic theory for over 2000 years

float ,

An offline version of Wikipedia would be handy though.

shalafi ,

Just pack a cheat sheet:

i.imgur.com/dgJ7vHU.jpg

Sotuanduso ,

That was a nice educational read.

ComicalMayhem ,

Holy shit that’s so crunchy, can I get a version with less pixels?

KombatWombat ,
kameecoding ,

speaking of health, wouldn’t you die to some disease you are not immune to? or even more likely you would cause a plague that their bodies don’t lnow how to fight off, like imagine bringing back some covid variant with you.

WYLD_STALLYNS ,
@WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I mean, us bringing back something to kill them seems more likely, despite our comparatively weak immune system’s. Be it COVID-19 or an STD. Hell, even our metal/plastic ridden bodies would be a potential issue for their environment if we died.

Airazz ,

You can download it, without images it’s just a couple GB.

yata ,

The main challenge with inventing a working printing press would be the papermaking and level of metalworking required for the movable type.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

pretty sure you can just use wood or whatever for the lettering, sure it might be kinda shit and tend to break but it should work. having to make new letter stamps every now and then is better than painstakingly writing every letter for hand.

yata ,

The main problem with that is that you can’t make the types very small with wood, and the singlemost expensive ingredient in this whole printing press concept is the paper.

So you would end up having books with very little text on each page, and especially in a slave economy, it would just be much cheaper to make handwritten copies, since you could cram a lot more words on each page.

And again, this is not adressing the issue of even having the skill to make paper in the first place.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Not to mention inventing an alphabet depending on where and when you go to. Or you could go with ConstantScript if you feel like being a gigantic troll.

Abugida might be workable if you reform it so that vowel markers can only appear above or below the modified consonant.

dewritoninja ,

Paper making is not that hard if you use cotton fibers instead of wood pulp

smileyhead , to mildlyinfuriating in Shitsoft Teams doesn't work on firefox

Firefox even is hardcoded to present itself as “Chrome on Windows” when visiting Teams.

DacoTaco , (edited )
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Ye, i remember they mentioning this, and people i know confirm it works fine. It just doesnt work on my end. I do have firefox set up to be very private though ( no 3th party cookies and more )

TwistedFox ,

That's definitely a part of it. All of the MS web platforms rely heavily on first and third party cookies. You can't even log in properly to Teams if your browser is in incognito/private mode.

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Ye, ive added the needed exceptions for *.teams.com, lync and skype just to login…

Gork ,

Logged out Teams can cause some unexpected issues, like not being able to use Emergency Dialing.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

Chrome is becoming the modern Internet Explorer. "Oh, yeah, the site only really works in IE for some reason..."

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Chrome is the new IE in terms of support. “Best viewed in Chrome”

Safari is the new IE in terms of weird bugs that no other browser encounters. Some of their web APIs like LocalStorage and IndexedDB still have odd quirks (but at least they’re not completely broken any more).

Gork ,

That’s gotta make the Microsoft dev team confused. How can they call out Firefox in Teams if it doesn’t even identify itself as such?

the_third , to memes in Don't be fooled Billy, it's not really a job, more of a parasitic relationship

I’ve calculated if it would pay off to build a house with four units on a piece of land that I already have. It would barely pay for itself after 30 years but let’s be honest, 30 years is when the first big renovations are in order. I’m not sure if the “landlords are rich leeches” - trope holds up outside expensive cities with inherited properties.

Knightfox ,

It really depends on the nature of the rental and your area. If instead of building a house you build 4 closely stacked duplexes and charged each one double what the mortgage would be you’d definitely make money, but you’d also be an extortionate leech. In my area someone built 4 nice duplexes on a double lot (probably around 1.5 acres) and is now renting them at $1800 each. The land was probably less than $55k and the cost of construction was likely less than $1 mil. At 5% interest on a 30 year loan their monthly payment would be $5,600, but they’re bringing in $14,400 per month.

$1800 for rent is an extortionate price in my area (it’s big city apartment rental prices, with a pool and gym), even after interest rates went up.

On the other hand, I knew a couple who were landlords for nearly 20 years. They rarely raised the rents and even in 2022 they were still charging <$1000 per month for a full house because that paid the costs and for them it was an investment, not a source of income.

They finally sold their rental homes and made about $70k over what they originally paid on each house. Doing the math that comes out to be a roughly 8.5% annual percentage return without counting the rent gained each month. That’s a fairly solid investment without being a sucky person.

buzz ,
@buzz@lemmy.world avatar

Best minds of Lemmy.

I’m just surprised you are not building these 4 duplexes - you did the math its super profitable

Restaldt ,

Needs a small loan of a million dollars

buzz ,
@buzz@lemmy.world avatar

Get a loan, get some other person to combine money. If this is so profitable u should have no issues

darq ,
@darq@kbin.social avatar

It literally is no problem if you already have assets to use as collateral. The problem is that most people don't.

Knightfox ,

This is the answer, literally this is what millionaires have been doing for ages. It’s just unique that the COVID era interest rates were so low that it made it so that 100-thousand-aires could do what millionaires had already been doing.

Knightfox ,

Well for a couple reasons.

  • I don’t have a million dollars
  • I couldn’t qualify for an investment loan worth a million dollars without making some really poor/speculative decisions
  • Being a full time landlord is super profitable and trouble free until it isn’t. If you get some troublesome tenants your sweet business decision can become a freaking nightmare.
  • This estimate doesn’t include taxes or insurance
  • I think these rental prices are outrageous and I’m surprised anyone agreed to them. Not sure who these people are, but someone took the deal. Maybe there was some sort of arrangement so that they didn’t pay the listed rental price (like x number of months free, waived deposit, etc).
  • I wouldn’t be surprised if the owner is overleveraged unless they were already independently wealthy or they got in before the interest rates went up.

For a while between 2020 and 2022, if you had your home paid for, you could take a mortgage out on that property and invest that money and make more money on the return on investment than the payment for the mortgage and the taxes owed on your profits. That’s how low the interest rates were for a while. I have a coworker who refinanced his house for 2% on a 30 year fixed rate, inflation is generally higher than his interest rate. Doing that sort of thing, taking a loan out on one house to invest with, is stupidly speculative but I wouldn’t be surprised if people did it.

Thranduil ,

My former landlord avoided increasing rent for as long as he could but eventually he was just in red and had to do it.

boonhet ,

Guidelines for buying rental properties say they should pay off in 10 years.

the_third ,

Yeah, well, here they don’t. Currently, building from new costs about 3200€/m^2^, provided you own the ground already.

Average rent for a newly built, low energy appartment with fibre to the home and covered parking including a wallbox (so, basically the optimum you could build with a high rent in mind) around here is about 9 to 10€/m^2^. So that’s 26 years before the building is paid off and that does not include interest for a loan or upkeep for the building. With 4 percent of interest which seems to be the lower end of the market right now I’d never break even.

boonhet ,

Buying here is cheaper (1600 per sq meter in the commie blocks part of the city) and rent is about the same. Outside of those blocks you’d usually get copper and no real insulation, with street parking. A brand new apartment in a nice place might net you 15-20 eur per square meter.

Of course, I live in the ass end of Europe where wages are half of what they are in the west so it makes sense our rents, food costs, etc are higher. The peasants shouldn’t have too much to their names.

Tenants also pay any loans associated with the apartment building repairs, or the repair fund collection, not by law but because apartments are in demand and tenants are not. The law actually says it’s the responsiblity of the owner, but there’s literally nothing saying that responsibility can’t be shifted.

Blackmist ,

I think the main money maker isn’t rent. It’s owning (or at least having a mortgage on) property that doubles in value every ten years.

The rent often just pays for the mortgage and upkeep. The main payday comes when they sell it all off to the next parasite.

the_third ,

Sounds like a dangerous game, it assumes that property always appreciates value faster than inflation progresses.

Fiivemacs ,

That’s risk

Blackmist ,

It would be a dangerous game if the politicians and their donors weren’t also playing it and rigging it in their favour.

michaelrose ,

Would you like to look up a graph of home prices over the last century?

Luvs2Spuj ,

That’s how it should work, but home hoarders want an income from rent and so the system doesn’t work.

Blackmist ,

I disagree. Property prices should not be spiralling out of all sanity at the rate it’s doing, especially in city areas.

That’s what’s causing people to buy them, because it earns more than stocks and shares.

Bricks and mortar should never have been viewed as an investment.

phoneymouse , (edited )

Whenever I do the math on buying a multi-family, I find you’d either not be breaking even or barely breaking even with the mortgage, insurance, and taxes by charging market rent. The current landlord is basically claiming future rents as his own when he sets the asking price at level that takes all of the current market rent price for himself.

If you buy the property and want to have enough to do repairs / renovations and cover unexpected risks like tenants that can’t pay and won’t leave, you HAVE to go up on rent, otherwise you will go broke and lose the property.

Maybe there was a golden age when being a landlord meant instant cash flow and money making opportunities, but I find most of the stuff on the market today are just people looking to cash out all future value in the property and assuming the next landlord will basically just jack up rent to cope with the high cost of that cash out.

Being a landlord is pretty risky. You could end up with a bad tenant that ruins your property or won’t pay and won’t leave. You also are responsible for costly repairs and renovations that can have long breakeven timelines. You have to cover that cost some how, and that is by charging rent. Who would assume that risk without a reward?

abraxas ,

Real Estate long-term ROI - 4% per year

NASDAQ long-term ROI - 11% per year

It’s about diversity, and the various tax advantages to owning the property/business/etc.

workerONE ,

Good luck getting 11% a year in the stock market. I think your stats include the pandemic and I don’t think we’ll see increases like that again, at least we can’t count on it.

abraxas ,

11% has been a financial planning standard since time immemorial (ok, well, since after the great depression). If a hedge fund or other investment isn’t hitting 11%, you should be in S&P or NDQ which flattens to 10% over time… or “only” 6-7% after adjusting for inflation.

The last 30 years are considered “below average”. The market only grew 9.9%/year on average. Which apparently that 0.1% is a big deal for investors.

Here’s a fairly good breakdown on SOFI. Obviously, we’ll never know what the future holds, but 10% over time is the “bad return” that rich people talk about.

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

“Landlords are rich leeches” is still true because the vast majority of property in the US is not owned by hard working people who are investing their earnings owning a handful of properties at most, but by property companies and hedge funds.

Crozekiel ,

I’m not sure what you used to calculate it, but it definitely isn’t only “expensive cities with inherited properties”… I did the math on the last house I rented: lived there for 8 years. It was a duplex in a city in a very cheap cost of living state. Just my rent alone for those 8 years more than covered what the entire duplex was purchased for 3 years prior to me moving in. That means if both sides were occupied, which it was for all but 1 month in the 8 years I was there, it’s paid for in full in 4 years. Even if you “have to renovate” in 30 years, hell even 15 years, you have 10 years of pure profit even after considering insurance and property taxes and probably even maintenence costs…

Maybe your area doesn’t have high demand for rentals or you under-valued your rent price, but there wouldn’t be so many people doing it if it wasn’t profitable.

the_third ,

Germany, not the US here. The market isn’t a no rules free for all here.

there wouldn’t be so many people doing it if it wasn’t profitable.

That’s basically our problem here, too few new appartments are getting built because of this.

TORFdot0 ,

That’s how a mortgage works. But the point is that after those 30 years you have a million dollar asset. That you had your tenants pay for.

For a regular plebs like us that’s not a winning proposition because we can’t have our money tied up for 30 years but for people who don’t need their money liquid, it’s free real estate

Jmdatcs ,

It’s hard to get a good return on your investment in residential real estate without using leverage.

For instance: You don’t buy one place outright. You buy 5 with 20% down. You may not have positive cash flow, but at long as it isn’t negative not only do you get all the increase in value, you also get more equity every month as the tenants pay your mortgages.

If you bought it outright and over some period of time the tenants have paid your entire investment and the price of the property doubles, you doubled your money. If you buy 5 and over some period of time the tenants pay your mortgage and initial investment and the properties have doubled in value you have increased your initial investment 10X. And before the big expensive renovations come in, you can sell and buy something else if you’re not equipped to deal with that.

Also if you are just breaking even to get free property but you want to start getting passive income, after a few years you can refi to a longer term and lower your mortgage payments to get in the black every month.

This isn’t advice, fuck anybody buying up single family homes to rent, just showing one way they can generate both wealth and passive income for nothing. Literally nothing if they’re using a property management company.

Fuck anybody buying up single family homes to rent. I know I already said that, but it bears repeating.

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT ,

Fuck anybody buying up single family homes to rent.

It was worth one more.

Lianodel ,

Sure, but I think this example also commingles labor with ownership (as is often the case).

Like you said, your plan involves building a four-family home. That’s labor and worth fair remuneration. It’s just that, in order to get that remuneration you’d be taking payment from tenants who build no equity for their money. Yeah, you’ll have to renovate in 30 years, but you’d still have property and the money paid in rent while they don’t.

A landlord can also simultaneously do valuable work supervising and managing a property. That’s not mutually exclusive with profiting from ownership, and we can separate how we evaluate the two. It even comes up with billionaires: Bill Gates obviously did work worth payment as CEO of Microsoft, it’s just not where he got most of his fortune. It can simultaneously be true that he’s a talented guy who deserved to be paid, but most of his fortune came from exploitative business practices and profiting off of the labor of others.

Also, to be clear, there’s a difference between structural and individual criticism. Obviously slumlords are pieces of shit, but there’s a difference between that and someone who really does work as a property manager doing right by their tenants, or a family renting out a part of their home to make ends meet. I can think that landlords should be judged on an individual basis, while landlording as a thing shouldn’t exist.

Woht24 ,

I’m on your side mostly but the property prices going up in those 30 years would net you a fortune alone. You could likely sell it as is and triple your money

Kusimulkku ,

Wouldn’t that depend a lot on the area?

Woht24 ,

Well yes it would but not entirely.

The old saying ‘buy land because they aren’t making anymore of it’ is true. As the world population grows, owning large amounts of land will be scarcer and scarcer. Most young people can’t afford a home in any western nation across the world and it’ll only get worse the world over as time goes on and the population continues to grow.

Kusimulkku ,

Some areas are losing a lot of their value. Waiting for population growth to fix that is playing the really long game

WaxedWookie ,

If it’s a poor investment, why do it?

the_third ,

That’s the point, I won’t. And so do many others and that’s why we have a shortage of appartments for rent here right now.

Uncle_Iroh ,

The big money’s isn’t in the rent, the rent is just to pay the mortgage and upkeep. It’s that you’re getting in debt that someone else is paying for you while they gaurd your asset which is only gaining in value, you then sell that somewhere in the futute.

abraxas ,

On average, the same amount of money dropped into the NASDAQ will have much better overall returns. Real estate ROI is about 4% per year, where the stock market has held close to 11% over the long haul nearly a century.

For small-time landlords, it’s often about “I have a place for me or a family member to live if things go bad”. For bigger ones, it’s the tax-shelter and the low volitility of real estate, as well as diversity in case you need to sell when their stock is down.

michaelrose ,

Being a landlord isn’t a way for someone who doesn’t have wealth to acquire it. It’s a way to park your existing wealth in quickly appreciating assets preferably purchased from other losers when they lose their asses and collect monthly rent too.

If on day one you have 700k and you purchase an existing property and in 30 days after you rent it out your property is still worth 700k and you are now ahead of the game in 30 days not 30 years.

If you purchased at a reasonable time a year later its worth 750 and you’ve collected 84k 1% of property value per month.

Most owners are in the top 10% to start with.

abraxas ,

quickly appreciating assets preferably purchased from other losers when they lose their asses and collect monthly rent too.

I wouldn’t say quickly appreciating, though. It’s a fairly slow growth rate for someone with that kind of money. They diversify into real estate because it creates some tax protections (your costs) and it’s fairly stable. Like buying into a terrible small business, but one that magically won’t fail. The things that could cause total loss to real estate are usually handled in standard insurance, unlike a business that can just tank.

The thing is, as you and the other person said, it’s all about the big companies who own tons of real estate AND the big companies that manage rental properties.

Ilovethebomb , to memes in When someone replies to this and says 'stop making everything political' they mean to tell you to stop challenging the status quo

Jesus christ you’re insufferable.

Custoslibera OP ,

We all know Jesus can’t save us now.

oldGregg ,

You better watch out. It takes Jesus 4.5 seconds to get to earth

Twelve20two ,

Shit, he’s closer than the sun! How long is it relative to him?

gibmiser , to memes in Pls help its been on for 5 miles now

If you hear a clicking sound run. It’s the onboard bomb detector.

yiliu , to programmer_humor in Always commit

“No, wait, it’s not what you think! There’s a continuous integration system, a commit would’ve triggered a new build! It might have paged the oncall! Babe! The test suite has been flaky lately!

Randomocity , to mildlyinfuriating in Solve this wordsearch 😛

Present, balloon, party, cake, card

newIdentity ,

I only found “man”

OhTheMoose ,

Also found “arm” and “Sam”

Kuma ,
@Kuma@lemmy.world avatar

Also art haha

Randomocity ,

There has got to be more lol

Ferk ,
@Ferk@kbin.social avatar

sea, sir, its, if, all, ball, car, sent

TWeaK ,

I found kup!

KIM_JONG ,

Sir and oak.

driving_crooner , (edited )
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

I only found “armenia”, “turkey” and “genocide”. No idea what’s that means.

Rhynoplaz ,

System of a Down word search?

Viking_Hippie ,

Needs more toxicity in the city and angels deserving death.

Rukmer ,

I found man and go, but not mango.

Ertebolle ,

a, i, it

drcarrot ,

Pith, loon

KIM_JONG ,

Yeah they accidentally mixed up the fruit puzzle with the birthday puzzle.

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