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chiliedogg , to lemmyshitpost in Ok. Now they've done it.

If you’re ever on the opposite side of Dolly on an ethical or moral issue, you’re on the wrong side.

mikyopii , to linuxmemes in Gotta stab a new drive into computer
@mikyopii@programming.dev avatar

g-unzip?

gun-zip

I used this command way before I used gzip so I didn’t put it together.

clif ,

gun-zip just rolls off the tongue better. Two syllables instead of three? Yes, please.

Blaster_M ,

Gun Zip - you literally shoot the gz file and it explodes like a piñata of files all over the dir you gun zipped it in.

ar0177417 , to technology in Rabbit R1 is Just an Android App
@ar0177417@lemmy.world avatar
redcalcium ,

Technically you can’t call it “Android” without paying Google for certification and play store/gapps license. It’s AOSP.

cyrus ,
@cyrus@sopuli.xyz avatar

Just so you know, AOSP is short for Android Open Source Project.

redcalcium ,

The term “Android” itself is trademarked and can’t be used by hardware manufacturers without passing certification and paying Google.

cyrus ,
@cyrus@sopuli.xyz avatar

doesn’t mean it’s not running Android, they just cannot use it for marketing/branding 🥴

GamingChairModel ,

They should just do it recursive like GNU and make it the AOSP stand for the “AOSP Open Source Project.”

PotatoesFall , to lemmyshitpost in Thomas Edison was the Elon musk of his era

Fuck them. Starting a private company and then selling it to some tool doesn’t make these guys great people. They exploited their employees and sold the company to some guy to exploit some more. I’m not sympathizing with capitalists because of other capitalists.

ceenote ,

I think this post is more about denigrating Elon than celebrating these two.

PotatoesFall ,

yeah fair enough. that still implies that there’s something great about founding Tesla. Which could be great, if the founders had sold the company to its employees and made it a co-op!

RestrictedAccount ,

Ok. Show me how we collectively invest in R&D without IP and build a car company without profits.

Aaaaannnnd go!

daltotron ,

Show me how we collectively invest in R&D without IP and build a car company without profits.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_space_programen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_Systemen.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Interneten.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nuclear_power

Oh look! Government investment!

RestrictedAccount ,

No government can exist without surpluses generated by the population. There have never been surpluses, except maybe in a few golden areas of abundant rain, without some form of trade and profit i.e. capitalism

PotatoesFall ,

investment into worker owned companies is possible. Buying stocks is not the only way to invest and make profit.

RestrictedAccount ,

If nobody has profits, what is there to invest?

PotatoesFall ,

You can make contracts that guarantee a certain percentage of revenue for a certain number if years, or you know, just loans with interest.

RestrictedAccount ,

Loan what? Banks can only work if someone has already made a profit that they can invest.

PotatoesFall ,

Yeah people like to save money and that’s what banks invest and offer interest on. They then hand out loans with higher interest than they pay to savers. I’m pretty sure that’s already how banks work.

Octavio ,

I’ve been trying to figure out how to get the worker-owned cooperative model to take over for the capitalist model for a long time. It just seems to be a better outcome for everyone. You can’t squeeze the worker to extract wealth for the shareholders if the only shareholders are the workers. No need to squeeze the customers if there’s no hedge fund bros expecting a 20% return on their capital. But how often are workers going to have the money lying around to buy their company?

The workers may not have been interested in buying and as much as we may hate exploitation by capitalist pigs, it’s unrealistic to expect entrepreneurs to just give it all away. I think we’re still a ways off from the appetite for revolution is large enough to just take it from them. And I’m not sure that would be the right thing to do anyway. We do need people with the skill set to organize businesses and envision products and services. We just don’t need to keep treating such people as demigods. That would be enough revolution for me and they could still be the rich people, just not so grotesquely wealthy while people who make it all possible are struggling.

What I’m thinking of is like an investment fund that provides low-cost financing for groups of employees who are looking to buy their boss’s business, or for start-ups that are looking to organize their business as a worker-owned cooperative. Of course by definition this fund would earn less than market rates. Providing low cost financing is just providing low return investment opportunity from the other side. So investing in it would be more of a charitable contribution than an investment. But I don’t think the system is in place to facilitate financing of worker-owned cooperatives at present. I think a better use of our energies would be to figure out how to make such a framework than just screaming at capitalists. Just my take.

daltotron ,

We do need people with the skill set to organize businesses and envision products and services.

That doesn’t really describe capitalists, though. The point about the ownership class is that they’re not really skilled in doing any of this, which is why the economy is organized in the eclectic and idiotic way that it is. I also don’t understand what “envisions products and services” is, as a skill. I think we can all do that, it doesn’t really make it a good or valuable service. Owning class dipshits envision services all the time, are awful at it, and they never end up getting made or doing anything useful.

Octavio , (edited )

It may not describe financiers. I’d say it’s a fair description of entrepreneurs. Just because some people do it poorly doesn’t mean it’s not a skill. Kind of argues that it is, actually. I wholeheartedly agree that having the most money is a horrible qualification for the job. But I maintain that it does need to be done. Myself I would prefer more of the decision making to be collectivized but I don’t think the concept of having business leaders is entirely outmoded.

Edit: plus I was on a bit of a tangent when I wrote that sentence anyway. I need to get better at self-censoring. The point was about how best to be able to serve society’s needs without relying upon rentiers to furnish the means.

GreyEyedGhost ,

People often imagine things they don’t do can’t be that hard. Marketing is important because no one will be interested in your product if no one knows about it. Being able to envision products that the average person will want is another one that good business leaders often do.

Steve Jobs, for example, was very good at envisioning what people would be interested in. From the Apple to Macs to the iPod to the iPhone, he hit a lot of winners. This isn’t an endorsement for him owning the company, or even as a person, but he undeniably had a skillet that others around him often lacked.

daltotron ,

I dunno man, I’m really skeptical of Steve Jobs as a big “ideas guy” and I’d probably attribute most of Apple’s success to Steve Wozniak. I’d also wager that the pocket computer + phone revolution was probably inevitable at the point where the iPod and iPhone were coming out, and more long term, Apple’s success in that domain has done a lot of damage to the market with their “trend setting” behaviors.

GreyEyedGhost ,

Steve Wozniak was an amazing computer geek, and designed an incredibly useful computer for the time. Steve Jobs popularized and marketed the idea. He didn’t do a lot on the technical side. There was the Blackberry and resistive touch phones before the iPhone, and they had serious problems. Anyone could have made the first smartphone - Windows Mobile was released in 2003 and certainly had the money to take on this project - but Apple did. And yes, Apple did a lot to make it painful for their customers to stray from the Apple ecology to the company’s benefit, and the detriment to the market as a whole, which is pretty on-brand for Jobs.

zaph ,

if the founders had sold the company to its employees and made it a co-op!

So perform magic? Do you know how the company transferred ownership?

PotatoesFall ,

yeah turns out I was misinformed. my bad. But point still stands, they made a private company designed to exploit workers, and some asshole took it over.

partial_accumen ,

Starting a private company and then selling it to some tool doesn’t make these guys great people.

Where are you coming up with your narrative about him selling?

“The Tesla cofounder lost his role as CEO of Tesla about three years after Elon Musk began investing in the electric-car maker. Eberhard previously told Insider that Musk and Tesla’s board had met behind his back and voted to replace him as CEO.”

source

Lemminary ,

Ohhh, back-stabbing bitches. grabs popcorn

dragontamer ,

They didn’t sell it to Elon.

Elon sued them and took Tesla over in court. theverge.com/…/tesla-elon-musk-origin-founder-twi….

Elon beat them in the court of law, business tactics, and expertly took over the company. What, you think Elon paid for this? He’s smarter than that.

Denvil ,

I mean he paid for Twitter and… well…

Lemminary ,

Yeah, I was gonna say, playing dirty is one thing. Making great business decisions without stepping on people for profit is another thing entirely.

dragontamer ,

Only after the Delaware court forced him to.

Elon is a jackass who runs over all normal senses of decency while repeatedly getting away with it. And he will continue to do so as long as his legion of asshole internet followers continue to worship him on a wide scale, giving him large benefits in our cultural zeitgeist.

I am happy that people are finally understanding how much of an asshole Elon is today. But he’s been pulling this shit since the dawn of Tesla, as the Tesla takeover court cases proved in the 00s.

Signtist ,

Elon threw money at the problem and it worked, as it so often does. Conversely, the tactic failed in the Twitter scenario. That’s his entire game plan for everything, a trait he shares with nearly every other person born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

wildcardology ,

He bought founder title.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Not only do you sound angry and full of an agenda, you are also wrong about your facts. Are you paid by Elon?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Starting a private company and then selling it to some tool doesn’t make these guys great people.

Engineering a practical prototype for an electric sports car in the year 2003 makes you pretty cool, if nothing else.

Lacking the easy access to low-interest credit and being hedged out of the SUV-heavy American car market doesn’t make them bad people.

They exploited their employees and sold the company to some guy to exploit some more

The company had exactly three people in it when Elon Musk arrived with $6.5M in Series A investment cash. They were both forced out of the company in 2008, as the Series B funding was exhausted and Elon was leveraging his fundraising clout to monopolize control of the board. This was long before the Gigafactory and the big labor abuses we’re familiar with today.

I wouldn’t call them geniuses or pretend they were irreplaceable. These were a couple of car hobbyists who stumbled into a cut-throat industry and got their work snatched out from under them.

But then I wouldn’t call the Tesla a particularly amazing piece of technology. Just something a couple of car hobbyists realized was possible with existing technology and made a (small) fortune scaling up.

The real genius in the end was scamming the Department of Energy out of billions of dollars and helping gas guzzlers fake their EV quota.

Discoverthemind ,

Could you explain this more?

kerrigan778 ,

Engineering a practical prototype for an electric sports car in the year 2003 makes you pretty cool, if nothing else.

Yeah that was AC Propulsion though, and in 1996, and a completely different group of people.

The Tesla guys had the idea of shoving it into a Lotus Elise and marketing it as a tech company.

TeddE ,
@TeddE@lemmy.world avatar

For what it’s worth, it’s been suggested that Musk’s takeover of Tesla was opportunistic, and against the desire of Tarpenning and Eberhard.

From my research, Tarpenning was pressured into quitting, and Eberhard was fired by the board of directors for lying to the board. Since Elon was chairman of the board at the time, it’s plausible (and even hinted at) that Elon played dirty to push through this firing.

I cannot say for sure if they would have handled the company more ethically then Musk, but I am personally uncomfortable hanging them out to dry simply on what could have been.

That said, I agree that employee co-ops are a top tier business organization structure.

RattlerSix ,

That’s not what really happened though. They needed an investor to get the company off the ground. Musk came in and screwed them out of the company

RustyShackleford , (edited )
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daltotron ,

Contrarian moral posturing with claims of Marxist purity? Surely, you jest!

I feel like I’ve read this before as a strategy in a COINTELPRO document

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@programming.dev avatar

Moral posturing is a an agent provocateur’s strategy? Can you link the document?

windie , to android in If it works, kill it.

Try AntennaPod, it’s on F-Droid

Sophia ,

One of my favorite podcast app.

Peasley ,

One of the best apps on any platform

Kid_Thunder ,

For the big products, I think Google Assistant will be next followed by barely doing anything further with Android Auto until it dies a few years after GAS starts getting pushed out while it probably either won't or will stop supporting 'legacy' Android Auto apps, so AA dies 'because developers aren't supporting apps anymore -- totally not our fault and we're sorry to see this happen.'

Serinus ,

Grabbed AntennaPod from the Play Store. It’s been a perfect replacement.

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

I’m kind of into Podscast Addict. Not sure how it compares, but its pretty good.

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s not open source

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Ah ok

TheAlbatross , to science_memes in Hey, let's breed them to make it hurt even more

Still successful, though. Humans have spread the seeds of capsicum farther than any bird ever did.

We’re just fuckin weirdos about it

pixelmeow ,
@pixelmeow@lemmy.world avatar

Birds can’t taste it like we do. You can get bird feed covered in red pepper to keep other animals from eating it. I’m not sure a bird would eat a pepper, anyway, but 🤷🏼‍♀️

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Did you know that, “spicy” is the only thing you can taste with your asshole?

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

I tend to eat very spicy and in large quantities. After some time my body must have learnt to digest the capsicum because it now never bothers my butt. Unfortunately now when I overdo it , I piss out the spice. It’s not nearly as bad as the fire shits, as long as I wash up with soap and water after every pee for about six hours after eating really spicy.

PS: There’s an Indian grandma that cooks at a close by restaurant that took it as a challenge when I said I wanted it “five stars” (max heat). It’s what I ask for everywhere else, but this lady took it to heart. I pissed Mace for two days straight but it was delicious.

Nougat ,

unsubscribe

DaTingGoBrrr ,

God damn. I like spicy food but so far I have never pissed lava. I guess it’s bound to happen eventually if I keep going like this. Thanks for the heads up

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s not a pleasant sensation. Like feeling like you have to pee constantly for hours, urgently, but just… not. Ive done it to myself with fried rice.

Sauce: 1 gallon jug of Sambal Oelek in my fridge

Got_Bent ,

I got that treatment in Thailand. Got all cocky and said extra spicy. Guy took it as a personal challenge. It pierced my soul and I soaked my clothes sweating but damnit I finished it and it was delicious.

I can’t do the hyper hot stuff anymore. I got old and my stomach gets very jaded.

psud ,

I used to be very spicy tolerant. I’d ask for “Indian hot” in Indian restaurants, I’d tell places I ate pizza or kebabs at that their spicy version wasn’t spicy enough (the kebab place used jalapenos, the pizza place used supermarket chilli flakes) and they’d find the hottest chilli peppers to challenge me with, and it was wonderful

But for allergy reasons I no longer eat bread, and for weight management reasons I quit eating fibre entirely over a year ago so I suspect I have lost my tolerance

threelonmusketeers ,

as long as I wash up with soap and water

What are you washing?

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

My junk.

Grandwolf319 ,

No… and I didn’t want to know… TIHI

Sadbutdru ,
nilloc ,

Chickens love spicy food, and their rags supposedly taste better when they have it in their diet.

Guinea Hens and spicy peppers both come from the same part of the world too I believe.

RamblingPanda ,

and their rags supposedly taste better

Please don’t edit that, it’s hilarious 😂

threelonmusketeers ,

I wonder how this happened. Speech-to-text mistake?

RamblingPanda ,

Might be. Or I’ve been undervaluing spiced chicken rags my whole life.

nBodyProblem ,

I have a parrot and she loves peppers. I have given her super hots a few times, like Carolina reaper etc, and it’s hilarious until you realize how messy she is. The entire vicinity becomes a straight up biohazard by the time she is done.

PerogiBoi ,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

…which was the peppers long game master plan all along!!!

Rooskie91 ,

Humans spreading peppers like weirdos reminds me of a petition replacing the word “expert” with “pervert.”

“Pepper pervert” conveys the masochistic spread of hot peppers better than “Pepper expert.”

TheAlbatross ,

It kinda reminds me of the scene in Star Trek the Next Generation when Data, the humanoid Android, tries alcohol to better understand humanity. He takes one sip, winces and remarks “That’s awful! … another!”

Damage ,

Star Trek Generations. That’s got to be the best part of that not-so-great movie.

Killer57 ,
@Killer57@lemmy.ca avatar

What, you don’t enjoy watching Kirk get crushed by a bridge?

Damage ,

Who would have thought, after all the bonkers stuff he survived, a walkway would be his end?

NeptuneOrbit , to aboringdystopia in "Yeah, but what if we used AI?"

*HOAs which reinvented taxes

TropicalDingdong ,

So its taxes all the way down…

lawrence ,
ech ,

And death.

WarmSoda ,

Yay!

HobbitFoot ,

HOA’s reinvented municipal government in a way that let them be racist again.

Omgpwnies ,

and keep the taxes too

Socsa ,

That’s the hilarious part, they still pay all the same taxes. HOAs are both toxic and stupid.

TWeaK ,

Nah they do have some valid purpose, eg communal roads and facilities - at least in a country where the state refuses to adopt basic infrustructure for new housing developments.

HobbitFoot ,

Of the state refuses to adopt basic infrastructure. If the state did, then they would have to make it open to everyone.

TWeaK ,

Sure, but what’s wrong with that? I mean, roads are already open to everyone - your mailman can access them, visitors can access them, etc. If you extend it to ponds and parks and stuff, it wouldn’t be the end of the world for those to be public, either.

Maybe with pools and such it’s a different story, but there are ways of managing those without setting up a mini government rife for abuse.

HobbitFoot ,

I mean, roads are already open to everyone - your mailman can access them, visitors can access them, etc.

That is not the case for all HOA’s. For some, they have gated communities. For others, they are more than willing to enforce private property rights on people who don’t meet the “character” of the community.

If you extend it to ponds and parks and stuff, it wouldn’t be the end of the world for those to be public, either.

Sure it would. The wrong people might use it. After all, they aren’t building these amenities for everyone to use, just residents who either own property or are leasing property in a way that is approved by the HOA.

TWeaK ,

That is not the case for all HOA’s. For some, they have gated communities.

Yes, but they still allow mail deliveries and visitors in some form or another.

After all, they aren’t building these amenities for everyone to use, just residents who either own property or are leasing property in a way that is approved by the HOA.

Yes, but there are other ways to manage that then setting up an HOA which can be expanded well beyond the management of that communal property.

You only have to look and see how other countries do it to see that HOA’s are uniquely an American problem, one that has no justification in being as bad as it is.

Shieldtoad , to lemmyshitpost in Trust exercise
stinerman , to insanepeoplefacebook in And measles is a positive illness.
@stinerman@midwest.social avatar

These people should have their children taken away from them.

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

This is a person that people with children taken advice from!

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

100% agree. CPS should be way more aggressive because it’s neglect and abuse. I am so sick of seeing them treated with kid gloves.

candybrie ,

The issue is where the kids go after you take them away. It’s not like foster care is renowned for its nurturing environment. Would these kids actually be better off there?

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

It is way bigger than that, I agree. But these kids aren’t even being educated, and it’s really troubling.

experbia , to lemmyshitpost in I feel so old.
@experbia@lemmy.world avatar

I have reached the age where I find gags like this - and the massive cringe effect they inflict on young folks - fucking hilarious.

i’m comfortable with my fate. who ever really needed hair on their head anyway?

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I admit, the idea of a teenager being highly annoyed by that sign amuses me greatly.

tkk13909 ,

The thing is, all of the grammar is correct so it’s not actually that cringe. They definitely did their research!

aidan ,

“can’t stop won’t stop” is definitely the most out of place.

And “campground” is too many syllables. If someone actually said that they’d replace it with something else

some_guy ,

You and me both. They went a little too hard in the middle, but the beginning and end were decent.

spizzat2 ,
MacNCheezus ,
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

I wonder what they’ll do if someone actually texts them using that language. Do they have a teenager on staff for the express purpose of translating it?

EndlessNightmare , to memes in There is zero need for millions of office drones to be on the road daily.

The resistance to allowing WFH really shows how bullshit the push for EVs “to help the environment” is.

I’m not anti-EV and do believe they are better than ICE. But even better than an EV-driven mile is a mile that isn’t driven at all.

blanketswithsmallpox ,

I’m not sure how you equate that first paragraph at all. Can you expound? The second one just nullifies the first lol.

EndlessNightmare ,

My point is that if they were serious about protecting the environment, they would promote WFH (for those who can…not everyone can obviously) in addition to EVs. Instead, there seems to be a big push for return to office.

blanketswithsmallpox ,

Got it. Thanks. It definitely read like you were saying EVs were some secret not as good as you thought it was issue…

When they’re pretty damn fantastic at lowering pollution over time.

www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

www.sciencedirect.com/…/S1110016823009055

MonkeMischief ,

Yeah, I think he was explaining that EVs ARE more efficient, but like everything with industrial capitalism, the idea is that they’re solving for:

“How can we increase efficiency, while keeping inefficient traffic jams and pointless office commutes?”

When, if they actually cared for the environment, reducing office commutes in the first place has proven to work wonders in dropping pollution. There’s just no psychopathic control and exponential corporate real estate profits involved.

An EV is more efficient than an ICE, but industry wants never-ending constantly-exponentially-growing production and purchasing of EVs, so they can enjoy a future of EV-majority traffic jams, instead of gas and diesel traffic jams.

We’ll then get emotional-piano commercials about how they saved the planet by mass producing a product that was mass consumed.

But we could simply not have traffic jams, and everybody knows it. That would make people too happy though, and give them time to think. Like 2020, it would once again be difficult to find people who will put up with corporate nonsense.

Solving problems by putting dents in demand also has a way of making quarterly projections inconvenient. :p

blanketswithsmallpox ,

While true I think most people understand that most of our modern economies that sustain billionaire corpos and the stock market are almost purely run by the magic that unstainable growth based gdp. This will always be the case until we work properly on fusion and a Dyson swarm.

We will reach a point when we hit 11 billion people and growth levels off. People will revolt en masse when they realize they can’t retire without the magic rich made richer money generation machine that is the stock markets compounding interest. Turns out you’ll have to save for a retirement by not magically generating more money from just hoarding it.

Until then, keep putting in your 401k and understand that any large change to an American economy to fix commute problems is going to cost way more than Europe due to our land size and heavily suburbian population centers.

Everyone is down for mass transit until they realize they have to pay for it lol.

RaoulDook ,

It’s not bullshit at all. It is a lot better for cars that are being used to not shoot out smoke from combusting refined oil. There will always be cars in use, so it will always be better for them to not shoot out smoke.

It’s not possible for all workers to live inside dense cities and use public transport and work in offices or at home. MANY other jobs are out there and still need doing every day. Everyone who physically maintains all of our critical infrastructure, manufacturing, and food supply industries is pretty much going to commute to work one way or another. Millions of those people don’t live in cities with public transport and/or don’t work where public transport can take them to. EVs are an improvement for all of those necessary use cases, because the vehicles they need could not be shooting out smoke.

EndlessNightmare ,

I’m not sure what percentage of workers could do their job from home if they were allowed to. It’s probably a small minority, though a quick glance of numbers from COVID would suggest 15-20%. I’ll use 15% for sake of argument but would welcome a more “confident” number if someone has it.

Reducing the number of miles is and important way to reduce impact. Additionally, even those who cannot work from home benefit from reduces congestion and reduces vehicle idling. Although idling has less impact on EVs (though they still have to run HVAC), ICE vehicles are still the majority of vehicles being sold today in most nations and will be in circulation for decades.

Not everyone can WFH, but it needs to be part of the strategy of reducing emissions from transportation. Not pushing WFH (for those who can) is leaving a lot on the table. This is not a replacement for EVs, rather in addition to.

RaoulDook ,

I’m all for WFH and EVs personally. Haven’t bought an EV yet but I would like to have a non-spyware-laden one for a reasonable price.

MonkeMischief ,

The spyware part. Agh!!

A big motivator for keeping my early-2000’s car with almost 215,000 miles on it is just how CREEPY modern cars are.

Mozilla’s “Privacy Not Included” column really highlighted this. It’s terrible and it’s currently all legal and you can never really trust you’ve circumvented it.

Sucks too, because those “Canoo lifestyle vehicles” or the new VW bus EV look so cool…but they have crap like face-monitoring cameras and app-connectivity in them. What the heck.

rwhitisissle ,

This is the truth. People like to tout EVs as the end all, be all, “silver bullet” for the petrochemical industry. Bullshit. Your EV is riddled with oil-based products and asphalt contains a shitload of petrochemicals. EVs are better than gas burning cars in the same way getting stabbed with a knife is better than being shot. If you really want to help the environment by buying a car, buy a used car instead of a new one. Still, nothing really compares to just having a society where the average individual doesn’t need a vehicle. I think if we had a more robust service economy structured around couriers who took care of shopping and delivery, and then had a genuinely decent public transportation system or taxi options, we’d do a lot to reduce emissions. But the car is itself a sign of affluence and personal freedom in America. Always has been; probably always will be. Ownership of one, especially an expensive one, confers a certain status, and that’s a cultural problem, not an environmental or material one.

DingoBilly , to games in Gameplay mechanics were also a lot better with more replayability.

Games were definitely buggy and I honestly think people forget how much better the quality is nowadays.

I also think there is something to it just being the 90s or so and not having much choice. If you only have one game to play then of course you’re going to replay it to death. If I have a steam library of 1000 games then I’m much less likely to.

A lot of this is just nostalgia for the past and the environment as opposed to games being any better.

TankovayaDiviziya OP ,

I mean technical wise, games are better now and could easily be patched, but I think that’s why games had better gameplay in the past to make up for the lack of gamer accessibility to patching.

CrayonRosary , (edited )

You’re saying that because games couldn’t be patched, they had better gameplay? That makes no sense at all.

Lots of games had crap gameplay. There are more junk vintage games than good ones. The gameplay was simple because it had to be. The consoles didn’t have the power to do more. Chips were expensive. So they had to invent simple gameplay that could fit in 4k of ROM. If dirt simple gameplay is your thing, great. The Atari joystick had one stinking button for crying out loud.

You think Space Invaders has better gameplay than Sky Force Reloaded? Or Strider has better gameplay than Hollow Knight? You’re insane.

E.T. for the 2600 had gameplay so bad it crashed the entire video game industry.

Double Dragon on NES had a jump that was impossible to make forcing the company to make a new cart and give refunds.

Kelly ,

There are more junk vintage games than good ones.

Anyone who has iterated though a full romset will agree with this.

Just like movies, music, books, etc. the classics are fondly remembered gems and the rest are easily forgotten.

redcalcium ,

Double Dragon on NES had a jump that was impossible to make forcing the company to make a new cart and give refunds.

I didn’t know this. This is obviously why I never finished that game and certainly not because I suck at it.

CrayonRosary ,

I might be misremembering what game it was. I was just a kid when I learned about it. I can’t seem to find anything about it other than an impossible jump in the PC port of TMNT.

DingoBilly ,

It’s a nostalgia thing - I don’t remember the games where I got stuck on the first level and could never finish the game (which happened). Or were just boring so I quit after a half hour.

I do remember donkey Kong country, super Mario bros, sonic Etc. Which all worked well and were fun.

Sakychu ,

Yeah quality has improved massively, maybe not the initial release but 90% of games i recently played were regarded as buggy messes on release. After years of updates they mostly work.

Omegamanthethird ,
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There’s also the SNL effect. Everyone remembers the great games like Mario. Nobody remembers World Games.

Blue_Morpho ,

I’m unfamiliar with that game. Was World Games buggy or just bad? The quality the OP referred to was bugs, not gameplay.

Even the worst AAA game today has better game play than anything from 30 years ago. It’s the nature of extreme complexity that allowing players freedom makes complete debugging impossible.

Omegamanthethird , (edited )
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Actually, OP very explicitly said to ignore bugs and was only talking about gameplay. Which is why they talk about extreme replayability being the requirement on old games.

I just realized you were talking about who i responded to, not OP. But still, they weren’t only talking about bugginess.

The basic mechanics of a game (eg. Mario) better be fun, and those first couple of levels better be fun, because that’s what you’ll be doing a lot. It’s similar to how the swinging in Spider-Man better be fun because you’ll be doing it a lot. But the it also has more complex fighting, side content, and a story. You can mess up a lot more while there’s still enough to keep it entertaining.

But people don’t remember the majority of games that were not very good. World Games was just a game that came to mind on the NES as being not very fun, but more importantly forgotten.

ColeSloth ,

Hehe. World Games was an Olympic event type of game for the NES and other systems back in the late 80’s.

It was actually a well reviewed and enjoyed game, so I’m not sure why he decided to use it as an example when there were so many other actually bad games back then. It also caused a “spoof” game to be made on the NES called “Caveman games”, which did a similar game style, but set in caveman times with caveman events. I preferred caveman games as a kid, and still do. Racing against a friend on who can rub sticks together and blow on the smoke to make fire first is still a blast. So is beating the other guy with a caveman club. Good times.

ColeSloth ,

World Games was so good they made a spoof sequel of sorts called caveman games. A lot of people remember world games, it was a well received game. You had so many actually forgettable garbage games to choose from…

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

I have never heard anyone talk about that game, ever. But I remembered hating it as a kid. But social media wasn’t a thing back then. So I don’t know if it was talked about elsewhere.

If that was a well received game, I guess it speaks volumes about the rest of the NES library.

ColeSloth ,

It’s because it wasn’t really a young kids game. It was aimed at a bit older of a crowd. They made a later version of it called caveman games that was geared more towards kids and it was a lot of fun, with mostly the same game mechanics.

richmondez ,

But if he had to go with a forgettable game he wouldn’t have remembered it.

ColeSloth ,

But he says it wasn’t very fun and it was forgotten.

He obviously didn’t forget it, and most people found it to be fun.

NoneYa ,

What games were buggy for you? I’ve been replaying a lot of older games I used to play from my childhood (SNES to Xbox 360/PS3/Wii era) and not coming up with a lot of bugs except from emulation.

Blue_Morpho ,

They weren’t as buggy. People making excuses classify exploits as bugs ignoring that modern games have more bugs and exploits.

I played Atari 2600 games like space invaders, adventure, and pitfall for thousands of hours without ever running into a bug. The only game with an exploit was Combat where you could put your tank muzzle into a corner and make it loop across the map. But both players could do it.

xkforce ,
funkless_eck ,

some games would be unplayable without hand-patching the code that you’d find in a magazine.

ZoopZeZoop ,

I have 1000 games, but I still replay a bunch of them over and over, just at a less rapid pace.

Aielman15 ,
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I’ve grown up with a PS1 and a handful of pc games, and I don’t remember any of them being any more bugged than modern gaming. The only exception being Digimon World 1, a notoriously buggy game (but to be fair, half of those bugs were introduced by the inept translation’s team).

I know people nowadays know and use a bunch of glitches for speedruns and challenge runs (out-of-bounds glitches being the norm for such runs), but rarely, if ever, those glitches could be accessed by playing through the game normally, to the point that I don’t remember finding any game breaking bug in any of the games I played in my infancy (barring the aforementioned Digimon World).

idunnololz ,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

A couple years back I found my old Gameboy advanced. I tried to play Kirby on it and I was taken back by how much it sucked. The screen was way smaller than I remember it being and there was no backlight which meant I had to play the game in a well lit room. I don’t think I could ever go back to those days.

uienia ,

Nah, in the 80s we had hundreds probably thousands of games for the commodore 64 and later the amiga 500, all of them pirated. The piracy scene was huge, and often the games were free as we just copied them from friends

Cocodapuf ,

I don’t agree with that first point at all. Games were not all that buggy, It was orders of magnitude better than it is now.

DingoBilly ,

I think it’s because people only remember the good games and not the stinkers.

I played a lot of shit games I can’t recall because I played for 30 minutes max. There was one game I never passed the first level as I couldn’t figure out what to do, I think something to do with jelly beans and a blob. How is that good gameplay lol?

But of course myself and others can tell you about the games we played for hours like Super Mario Bros which didn’t really have bugs and were good.

Cocodapuf ,

A boy and his blob! That was a great game! But it did not hold your hand at all, you had to figure out what every different jerky bean did to your blob. It was a good enough game that there was a modern remake I think it’s on Nintendo virtual console.

But yeah, that was a legitimately hard game for a kid. And with nothing, it wasn’t buggy, the gameplay was just different from anything else people were familiar with and it didn’t explain itself.

Syrc ,

The difference is back in the day the great games were the highly advertised “big ones” and the “stinkers” usually fell flat. Now you have a mountain of AAA stinkers and have to go scavenging for indie gems.

DingoBilly ,

Not sure that’s right - before the internet I had no clue what was supposedly good or not. I’d rent games from blockbuster and just try them one by one. Lots of shitty games and I had no idea that Mario or sonic or anything was meant to be good.

Now it’s a lot easier just based on metacritic or steam reviews to figure out if something is good or not.

Syrc ,

Well yes, maybe going that far back it was kind of a shot in the dark, but the late ‘90 to early ‘10 period was a time where you had internet (or at least tv/magazines) to know which games were “popular”, most of those were actually well done, and you’d rarely have an AAA title launch as a bugridden mess.

Reviews are also a hit-or-miss because they’re highly subjective. The Steam review system sucks as well, being only positive/negative and with troll reviews always at the top.

Teodomo ,

I also think there is something to it just being the 90s or so and not having much choice.

Absolutely. I enjoyed and played a lot out of King of Dragon Pass back in the day. Yesterday I sat down to finally play its spiritual successor Six Ages: Ride Like the Wind. From what I remember from KoDP it plays exactly the same (at least during the first hour). Yet I couldn’t force myself to keep playing it. Same way nowadays I can’t seem to get hooked with genres I used to play a ton as a kid: RTS games like Age of Empires II and Warcraft 3, life sims like The Sims, point & click graphic adventures like Monkey Island, traditional roguelikes, city builders, etc. Other genres I try to get back into and I do manage to play a ton of hours of but I’m never able to finish like when I was young (e.g. JRPGs)

When I try to play many of those games I tend to feel kinda impatient and wanting to use my limited time to play something else that I feel I might enjoy better. A good modern 4X game with lots of mod support like Stellaris or Civ6 instead of RTS games which have always felt a bit clunky to me. Short narrative games like Citizen Sleeper or Roadwarden instead of longer ones I’m not able to finish. Any addictive modern roguelite, especially if it features mechanics I particularly like (like deckbuilding and turn-based combat). If I ever feel interested to play a life sim or a city builder nowadays it has to feature more RPG elements and/or iterative elements and/or deckbuilding and a very compelling setting to me. And so on.

It feels like many of the newer genres (or the updated versions of old genres) are just more polished and fine-tuned than genres that used to be popular in the 90s and the 2000s. They just feel better to play. And to be fair in some cases they might be engineered to be more addicting, too. Like, I did finish Thimbleweed Park some years ago but I feel like nowadays no one is going to play witty point & click graphic adventure games with obscure puzzles if they can play a nice-looking adventure game filled with gacha waifus.

recapitated , to linuxmemes in Debian security amirite?

The xz infiltration is a proof of concept.

Anyone who is comforted by the fact they’re not affected by a particular release is misguided. We just don’t yet know the ways in which we are thoroughly screwed.

possiblylinux127 ,

I’m just waiting for the backdoor to be found in Firefox and Chromium or some library shared by most applications.

exu ,

Like libwebp a few months back? Or Log4j?

Gabu ,

The thing about browsers is that there are so many accidental exploits already, it makes little sense to introduce your own on top of it.

BURN ,

This is a huge wake up call to OSS maintainers that they need to review code a lot more thoroughly. This is far from the last time we’re going to see this, and it probably wouldn’t have been caught if the attacker hadn’t been sloppy

ulterno ,
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upvote.au/comment/818245

Nah, I’d say the chap was pretty unsloppy.
Just that we were lucky that someone found it.

It’s a good thing that xz is a type of program that people may want to profile.

But this is an eye opener for people saying that Linux is “secure” (not more secure, but just secure .) because the code has many eyes on it.

This confirms my suspicion that we may be affected by the bystander effect, so we actually have less eyes than required for this.

BURN ,

The reason I consider this sloppy is because he altered default behavior. Done properly, an injection like this probably could have been done with no change to default behavior, and we’d be even less likely to have gotten lucky.

Looking back we can see all the signs pointing to it, but it still took a lot of getting lucky to find it.

I’ve always considered the “source is open so people can check for vulnerabilities” saying a bit ironic, because I’d bet 99% of us never look, nor could find it if we were looking. The bystander effect is definitely here as we all just assume someone else has audited it.

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Done properly, an injection like this probably could have been done with no change to default behaviour,

Interesting.
So the sloppiness was in the implementation and not the social engineering.
But then of course, people tend to be not good at both, fooling people and fooling programmers/computers at the same time. In this case, the chap turned out to be better at fooling people than programmers/computers.


And I am being sloppy for not trying to learn enough about exploits even though I should have a good enough programming base to start it.

Theharpyeagle ,

It’s a rough balance when you’re trying to convince people unfamiliar with the internals (let alone non technical people) to make the switch. Saying “Linux is safe, but not bulletproof” may scare them back to the devil they know even if there’s no greater guarantee of safety there.

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Of course, maybe I am being too hard on people by expecting everyone to put more thought into everything they make a decision for. But it is in fact the lack of thought that tends to cause problems in all areas we see nowadays.
But that’s a topic for somewhere else.


We can simply go by “Linux is more bulletproof than Windows”; instead of calling it “safe”, which would also be wrong.

recapitated ,

And to have strong and continuous analysis of software bills of materials.

GreatDong3000 ,

I always just assumed all the distros I use have backdoors as a fact of life. I take comfort in not being a person of interest to anyone and just blend in with the crowd. I also don’t use windows because for every backdoor my Debian may have, windows will have 100 more. Servers don’t get hacked all the time because it is not linux->internet, it is linux->bunch of stuff->internet, but I am sure backdoors are there.

Liz , to memes in Glad this is becoming a meme

Ask a man his salary. Do it. How else are you supposed to learn who is getting underpaid? The only way to rectify that problem is to learn about it in the first place.

EmpathicVagrant ,

The NLRB ensures that discussion of wages is a protected right.

Talk about your wages.

brbposting ,

45 can fix that

EmpathicVagrant ,

Plans to, too.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

I think context is important here. Asking a co-worker their salary is fine. Asking about the salary of someone you’re on a date with is not fine.

GlitterInfection ,

Exactly.

You should have asked them for their W-2 before agreeing to meet.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah and get their credit score before you even reply.

moistclump ,

Ask a woman her age. Do it. How else are you supposed to learn who is getting older? The only way to celebrate that is to learn about it in the first place.

Shady_Shiroe , to memes in A quick guide to computer components
@Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world avatar
janus2 ,
@janus2@lemmy.zip avatar

this is like one of those IQ scale wojaks memes
everything electronic is just a tracking device <----------> electronic components are highly specialized <------------> everything electronic is just a tracking device…

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Everything with a serial no. is a tracking device and so is everything with a bill.

Manzas ,

Oh shit there is a tracking above me… the ceiling lamp!!!

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Did your breakfast material not come with a bill?
Then the IRS knows you bought breakfast 👹

Manzas ,

You do realize that there are people that aren’t American? And what if you paid with cash?

ulterno , (edited )
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar
  1. I’m not American either.
  2. I assume we all know this thread is a meme. IRS sounds the most memetic
  3. If you paid with cash, the person who accepted the cash most probably had eyes. Eyes along with the human brain, are one of the first tracking devices in human civilisation. The information they save on you are not even subject to the GDPR.
Passerby6497 ,

I knew that fucking duck was tracking me!

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