Lol man I generally agree with the hive mind, but on this particular point I never will. With the singular exception being a complete lack of availability, I will always view pirates as being cheapskates that are totally cool with theft. Try to justify it all you like, in the end you are receiving a product without paying for it. Just admit what you’re doing.
Most of us are cheapskates that take advantage of the law. At least in the US you are allowed to try out the software for free for 30 days, and you buy if it’s worth the $$$, delete if not.
If I can’t afford it, I should be proud of stealing it.
This escapes me. If you want to be a graphic designer and everyone uses Photoshop, so you pirate it to get experience so you can get a job because nobody cares that you’re a GIMP expert, okay. I get that. In this case, vote with your wallet. Play a different game. It’s not the 1980s. We have too many great options.
I’m actually more likely to buy it if it’s good and I can see myself playing it a lot. The last game I did this with was No Man’s Sky on launch and I’m glad I didn’t pay for the clusterfuck that originally was. I’ve since bought the game for full retail price twice.
As long as you admit that selling a game that doesn’t work is also stealing money. They’re selling an incomplete game for the price of a complete game.
No I will not, because it is not. If you are unable to wait until feedback has returned on a game and you happen to be unhappy with the quality of the product then the only thing you are a victim of is your own stupidity. Do you think non-extended cut films are theft as well?
False equivalence there my dude. The games industry, and especially Bethesda, have earned themselves a strong reputation for releasing basically unplayable clusterfucks time after time because their management choose to push unfinished products to the market to capitalize on hype at the expense of the consumer. The consumer has every right to be wary and cautious with these companies and the product they release.
With movies, what you are basically getting is the final product, much like games used to be before updates could be pushed as patches over the internet for them. Imagine going to see a movie and the actors start T posing, you can see camera men and the director on the side of the set, then the movie projector just crashes and you don’t get to see the rest? That’s how bad Bethesda and major AAA games have been over the last several years.
It’s literally not theft. There are other reasons why I disagree with you, but that’s the big one that really takes the weight out of your argument. The owner is deprived of nothing.
Buy it on Steam, play for 2 hours, full refund if unhappy? Trying out games has never been easier these days.
That said, I’m in full support of pirating first and buying if you continue playing. I probably have hundreds of hours in Skyrim, but it only shows a few hours on Steam because I did exactly that 😋
Buy it on Steam, play for 2 hours, full refund if unhappy? Trying out games has never been easier these days.
Weren’t there some issues with people no longer being able to refund games after doing it too many times?
That said, I’m in full support of pirating first and buying if you continue playing. I probably have hundreds of hours in Skyrim, but it only shows a few hours on Steam because I did exactly that 😋
That’s what I did with Hotline Miami. Since then I’ve bought it 5 times. No regrets I love that game.
Besides the other points already brought up regarding this, 2 hours is just too short. Games like this often have long startup times, long intros, etc… and it’s just not enough to get a good impression of the game. At least with demos you get a good vertical slice preview of what you’re getting into.
I’m not familiar with NUCs, So I dont know if that affects anything… but I’ve been playing Starfield since it unlocked on Linux, so theres no issue with at least the linux part if that helps you with anything.
That’s good to know. I mentioned the nuc because its not a gaming machine. I am able to play some stuff on it but its not a powerhouse. It is utilitarian for me. Budgets, bills, banking, videos, programming, etc.
PSA you can still get Gamepass Ultimate for cheap. This is your last opportunity to stock up (I think September 14th is the cutoff).
Find some cheap Xbox Gold cards (sites like cdkeys or eneba). It’s a little trickier but cdkeys usually sells the cards from the Turkey region super cheap but you have to redeem over VPN.
3 months of gold converts into 50 days of Gamepass Ultimate. Depending on the price you should be able to get 3 years for $200 or less. Careful to not go over, you can’t redeem past 3 years.
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PSA #2
If you already have Gamepass take part in rewards. You can earn enough points throughout the month to self fund your gamepass subscription or other purchases for free (I cashed in my rewards points recently to get that dope Starfield controller and the Starfield early access upgrade).
Here’s my 4 main avenues for points:
Xbox mobile app: go to your profile icon and do everything in the rewards tab. I usually leave Vampire Survivors idling on my PC for the PC game task.
Edge mobile app: click the search icon on the home screen and scroll down to the news stories, click through them. Till you get your mobile & edge searches (think it’s about 20). Then go up to the top right menu and open rewards. Do everything in here. The top 3 items you usually have to actually do (quizzes and polls). The rest you can just click into and back out of.
**Bing mobile app: ** click rewards and collect the daily check-in points then click earn to read. Open a news article and scroll to the bottom, it’ll open the next article (you need 10 of these).
Xbox. Get the rewards app. Do everything in here. Mostly just clicking boxes. Go to the Xbox activities box in the bottom right, you’ll find some rewards to earn in games. There’s also a daily 50 for earning an achievement. Rare Replay gives you an achievement for every game you open and Killer Instinct has several quick achievements for every single fighter.
It sounds like a lot but the mobile app stuff only takes about 10 mins. I usually do it while I’m waking up in bed and the Xbox stuff takes another 10 minutes usually do this before work.
If you max out your points you can easily get $15-20 a month.
They’re stopping the gold conversion program all together on that date. Top yourself up to 3 years right now. I don’t know about buying through Microsoft over VPN though.
Do the people who choose the deadlines (especially if they’re the publisher) really have that much influence on the programming and development side of things?
Strange, I’m about 12 hours in and apart from minor glitches like odd character movement every now and then it’s been pretty smooth sailing. What are you guys running into?
I walk by a shelf and it randomly explodes from some physics glitch.
Things forever rolling that should not be rolling, like books.
NPCs just keep sprinting into a wall.
NPCs stuck halfway through the floor, both alive and dead.
Enemies teleporting into mountain, and can shoot me from there.
Creatures not attacking when they should.
Ships clipping into stations.
My character stuck in a pose.
Guns floating.
Nothing game breaking though!
Just immersion-breaking.
Im more concerned about other stuff. Performance. Design choices.
I get 37fps in towns with an “UFO rated” computer on userbenchmark.
The menus are horrible.
And what good does the spaceship do? I just fast travel everywhere. I think I’ve seen the inside of my ship twice i 10hrs.
Story is the most lazily written, generic scifi tropey stuff I’ve seen.
No maps. No clue where shops are.
The game is marketed as huge and open, but in reality it’s all just setpieces with empty planet surfaces. You cannot get into your ship and fly 500m east to your mission marker. If you do that, a new map is loaded and none of your missions are there.
I concur with pretty much everything you said, though I will say my FPS has been significantly better than yours. You got an nvidia card? I heard they are bugged with bad performance and waiting for a driver update.
Game, while less critically fucky than previous Betehsda efforts (No doubt thanks to Microsoft dragging Bethesda into QA kicking and screaming), still carry the heavy stink of gamebryo, with classic bugs that have been there for decades… Like items/NPCs falling through floors for no reason.
I dont mind the very plane world map on random gen planets and shit, but how the fuck am i supposed to navigate New Atlantis or Neon on a field of useless floating dots and a collapsing fast travel icon stack?
edit I want to add that the autosaving fucking sucks, too. Especially since i got set back by a significant margin due to the crash i just had.
The issue with Nvidia cards is that Bethesda had an agreement with AMD for the game dev, so NVIDIA DSLL isn’t included. This means NVIDIA cards can’t by default take advantage of their full resolution upscaling ability.
I say “by default” because there’s already mods that replace AMD FSR with NVIDIA DSLL. I installed DSLL 3.5 and have been running it essentially without issues (very rarely the screen goes black for a second or two). Getting smooth frame rates on my 2070 super, 3440x1440, High settings other than resolution scaling (which I set around 58%, essentially DSLL “balanced”).
Yeah. People have vastly different combinations of hardware and software. Different manufacturers and drivers. So it can be really different.
If they play on pc, I mean.
I seem to unknowingly have built myself a real shit-magnet of a computer. Basically no new game has worked well for me since I built that one.
I had like 20 bad bugs per hour with Cyberpunk on release while my buddy had like one mildly annoying per 5h.
Darktide just didn’t work at all. Kept crashing six months after release, then I gave up.
Etc etc…
yeah, the game stinks of gamebryo, but… I’ve only had one crash so far… Who would have that that all it would take to make a less buggy bethesda game was the entire QA department of one of the biggest companies on the planet.
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