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Doesntpostmuch , to mildlyinfuriating in These notifications are bundled together for some reason. So if I want to be notified when my subscriptions renew themselves, I have to also be notified of random games going on sale, too.

Just like dating apps, if you want notification of a message or match, you have to get ad notifications daily

Cosmos7349 ,

Joke’s on you. I get daily ads WITHOUT getting message or match notifications. I have successfully decoupled.

Natanael ,

decoupled

Assuming it’s a pun

Pechente ,

Yeah that’s horrible. I have a strict policy of turning off any notification that is not a direct message from a person to me or a reminder I set myself. If crap gets bundled like this, I turn it off altogether.

When I used Tinder, I just checked the app every now and then and I remember people unmatching me again because I didn’t reply quickly enough. Online dating is so fucking toxic.

pivot_root ,

I put “Messages will arrive in three to five business days” in my bio, and that solved the problem nicely. Now, I simply don’t get matches at all 😎

Emerald ,

If you aren’t joking… that’s awesome

pivot_root ,

Yeah… I think you might be an optimist. It was not the positive outcome you appeared to have taken away from it.

Cosmos7349 , to lemmyshitpost in math checks out

Makes sense if the average includes the hours of zero calls when their phone line is closed

Viking_Hippie ,

Especially if it’s one of those awful ones that are only open for 5 minutes on the fifth Wednesday of the same month.

pivot_root ,

During a leap year. Where Squirrel Appreciation Day falls on a Sunday.

Shapillon ,

Squirrel Appreciation Day is everyday. The little furballs deserve some love.

Cosmos7349 ,

I found the squirrel

Shapillon ,

squee

You don’t have any evidence!

dogsoahC ,

Gotta cram an equinox and Jupiter in there somewhere.

JJROKCZ ,

Read here: all utilities and banks in America. Oh you want to call and talk about something important regarding your natural gas bill or mortgage? Call between 10am and 4pm Monday-Friday to talk to one of our dedicated Sri Lankan representatives. Oh you work during that time? Good, that’s the point lol

PotatoesFall , to lemmyshitpost in math checks out

actually, it is. let me explain.

Let’s simplify and say that there are peak hours and low hours. 100 people call during a peak hour, and 25 during a low hour. The chance of calling during a peak hour is 80%, since you are four times as likely to be one of the 100 rather than one of the 25.

The same effect means that you are almost always on planes and trains that are very full, even though every now and then they ride almost empty. Fewer people get to experience empty train rides by definition.

Of course this effect falls apart when your usage patterns differ from everybody else’s. If everybody takes the train at rush hour, you might ride an empty one at noon. Or, if you call the hotline while everybody else is sleeping, you might have a better chance.

But yeah companies also just lie to make themselves look better lol

KevonLooney ,

Yes, this is exactly it. You are calling when other people are calling. You are the congestion.

If you call before 11 AM you will have a much better time, as will the customer service operators.

Jimbo ,
@Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

Nah, they’re overloaded at that time too

Klear ,

Obviously. Because that’s the time all the people who want to avoid the congestion call.

richard3030 ,

The same goes for traffic. If you are experiencing traffic, you ARE traffic.

uis ,

This is why PT is OP. The bigger traffic is - the smaller intervals are.

GrabtharsHammer ,

You sound like a guy who knows which part of a warplane to reinforce.

Hupf ,

Soo you’re saying we should increase train frequency for times when they’re empty?

uis ,

If that frequency is once an hour compared to once in five minutes, then yes. If frequency is too low, then people are more likely to use alternative transport or not go at all.

HornyOnMain , to mildlyinfuriating in These notifications are bundled together for some reason. So if I want to be notified when my subscriptions renew themselves, I have to also be notified of random games going on sale, too.

There's an app, and I'm sure others like it, called Tidy Panel that lets you block notifications based on the content they have. The free version let's you block a handful, but you need premium for unlimited. For you, the free might be enough.

littlewonder ,

Also, the BuzzKill app does this and it’s beautiful with Material design.

Natanael ,

Tasker also have the autonotification plugin which let you set any rules and actions you want on notifications

nadram , to mildlyinfuriating in These notifications are bundled together for some reason. So if I want to be notified when my subscriptions renew themselves, I have to also be notified of random games going on sale, too.
@nadram@lemmy.world avatar

Here is Google showing blatant malicious compliance to their own standards. “You want security notifications for payments made through your account? Have a side of ads with that”. They’ve fallen real low since the days of “do no harm” 😞

NoneYa ,

Close, but it was “don’t be evil”.

KingJalopy ,

“openly evil”

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

That was always sarcastic.

Maalus ,

Which is still in the google code of conduct.

sneezycat ,
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

It is there but almost as a quote… It’s at the end and it just says “and remember, don’t be evil!”. It’s not part of the actual code, so I guess it’s just for show and nostalgia.

Maalus ,

It’s literally there as it was previously. They removed it at the start to say “do the right thing” instead, but don’t be evil is there too. It was a drummed up controversy over nothing.

nadram ,
@nadram@lemmy.world avatar

True, thanks 😏

DmMacniel ,

“Do no harm”, that’s the Hippocratic Oath.

Hupf ,

More like the Hippocratic Option amirite? 🤜🤛

whaleross ,
@whaleross@lemmy.world avatar

“Do no harm to the stockholders” would be the contemporary take.

owenfromcanada , to lemmyshitpost in math checks out
@owenfromcanada@lemmy.world avatar

It depends on their window.

If they include call volume data back to the Neolithic period in their calculations, then yes, call volumes are higher than average (the average being 0.001 calls per century, rounding up).

Pretty sure that’s how they do the math.

hemko ,

Or just let’s assume the phones are open 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. The average call volume would be drastically lower than during business hours

Mirodir ,

It’s even simpler. A strictly increasing series will always have element n be higher than the average between any element<n and element n.

Or in other words, if the number of calls is increasing every day, it will always be above average no matter the window used. If you use slightly larger windows you can even have some local decreases and have it still be true, as long as the overall trend is increasing (which you’ve demonstrated the extreme case of).

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

It’s even simpler. They just lie about and always say it’s higher than average.

Zink ,

Yeah it’s fun seeing people figuring out which loophole companies use. Is it really anything other than they save a tiny bit of money by not giving a shit about your experience.

Mirodir ,

Eh, nothing I did was “figuring out which loophole [they] use”. I’d think most people in this thread talking about the mathematics that could make it a true statement are fully aware that the companies are not using any loophole and just say “above average” to save face. It’s simply a nice brain teaser to some people (myself included) to figure out under which circumstances the statement could be always true.

Also if you wanna be really pedantic, the math is not about the companies, but a debunking of the original Tweet which confidently yet incorrectly says that this statement couldn’t be always true.

then_three_more ,

They’d just need to include the call volume for when they’re closed. Open 9-5 but take the average over a whole 24 hour day.

Gork , (edited ) to mildlyinfuriating in These notifications are bundled together for some reason. So if I want to be notified when my subscriptions renew themselves, I have to also be notified of random games going on sale, too.

I had to specifically mute all of my notifications because I couldn’t find out what app was causing them and it was driving me nuts. Steps below for a Pixel phone if anyone is interested in how to mute notifications without having to go into vibrate mode.

For a Pixel 7 phone:

Settings -> Sound & Vibration -> Default notification sound -> My Sounds -> None

sawdustprophet ,
@sawdustprophet@midwest.social avatar

I had to specifically mute all of my notifications because I couldn’t find out what app was causing them and it was driving me nuts.

I’ve been doing that for years. I only have a handful of apps with audio notifications, basically the most important ones that need my attention right away. Everything else gets vibrate.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You can also just look at your “recent apps” under settings, if a notification popped off in the last 30s and you didn’t see a window then it’ll almost certainly be the top app in “most recent”

It’s a glitch / purposeful design in some apps where the actual popup window isn’t set to actually stick around so it just makes a ghost noise. For me it was some random app I installed for one niche purpose and forgot about

DaddleDew , to mildlyinfuriating in These notifications are bundled together for some reason. So if I want to be notified when my subscriptions renew themselves, I have to also be notified of random games going on sale, too.

There should be a legal requirement to call a targeted advertisement a targeted advertisement. Being allowed to call them “recommendations” only makes these assholes feel emboldened to push ads where people wouldn’t normally accept them. Microsoft is pulling that dirty trick as well.

JohnOliver ,

Yeah in Europe I’d send this to my local data authorities and the ombudsman

some_guy , to lemmyshitpost in math checks out

Also: “Please listen closely as our menus have recently changed.”

BackOnMyBS ,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place avatar

because I call the customer service line of any one company so much, that I have memorized their touch tone menu

9 months into my daily call to Maytag: Excuse me, babe. I have to walk into the other room so I can listen. Apparently, they’ve changed their phone menu.

then_three_more ,

I had so many issues with Scottish Power that I pretty much did. Fucking useless company.

ricdeh , to lemmyshitpost in math checks out
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It’s older math, Sir, but it checks out.

Crackhappy , to foodporn in Homemade double fried Karaage, homemade Togarashi, homemade Onigiri
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

Excellent.

Wild_Mastic , to mildlyinfuriating in These notifications are bundled together for some reason. So if I want to be notified when my subscriptions renew themselves, I have to also be notified of random games going on sale, too.

I completely disabled all notifications from Google play. There isn’t a single one worth of it.

That said, when I open it (like once every 2 months) I have a permanent dot on the notification area, with a notification that goes about ‘plz enable notifications so we can spam you’

tiramichu , (edited ) to lemmyshitpost in math checks out

Interestingly, British consumer rights guru Martin Lewis is currently running a crowdsourced data gathering exercise on this in the UK.

The purpose being to identify if companies are purposefully playing these sorts of message no matter their actual call volume. (Which we all know they are, but this will help prove it)

moneysavingexpert.com/report-high-call-volumes/

lurch , to mildlyinfuriating in These notifications are bundled together for some reason. So if I want to be notified when my subscriptions renew themselves, I have to also be notified of random games going on sale, too.

I always got receipts and cancellation infos via the mail connected to the Google account. One time there was no balance and I had no payment methods set up and I got “Your Google Play balance is too low to pay for your {app name} subscription. To keep your subscription active, please add credit or a new payment method.”

So, if you get email notifications you probably don’t need that.

burrito82 , to lemmyshitpost in math checks out

Well, aaaactually, don’t they have more than average calls half of the time?

dogsoahC ,

Not necessarily. They could be constantly ever so lightly above the average value, but then once in a while, a really low value comes along and drags the average down. What you’re thinking of is the median.

BehindTheBarrier ,

Easily achievable if you only take calls in working hours. Then all working hours will have more than average calls per hour for a day.

Natanael ,

You can also continously have above average per worked hour for the staff if you keep firing people, because then calls per person keeps going up

then_three_more ,

Maybe they’re taking the average for each day over the whole 24 hours, but the call centre only operates from 9:30-4:30.

Michal ,

Yeah, like at night it falls down to 0

Railcar8095 ,

That would be true for the median, but not for the average

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