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ID411 , to memes in agile is far left too. I will die on this hill

This landed.

.world won’t get it

verstra ,

programming.dev does not get it. Can you explain?

It is kinda obvious that maxist ideas are aligned with the open source ideas. Are they very much against commies?

manicdave OP ,

There’s some weird witch hunt going on against Dessalines on there. I don’t agree with him on everything, but them trying to hound him out for being a communist, whilst using software he made because he’s a communist is kinda funny.

Tarquinn2049 ,

Him being communist isn’t the problem, throwing his weight around unnecessarily is what is upsetting people. And he just keeps doing it. Like he just gets in a mood and decides to ban a bunch of people for fake violations they didn’t actually do. It’s all logged and people with high enough status can see the logs. He goes on tirades.

Sorse ,
@Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Aren’t the logs accessible to everyone? discuss.tchncs.de/modlog

Tarquinn2049 ,

At his level of power, he can apparently make some changes and then delete the log of them. Only other server admins can see it then. But I’m getting this second hand from other server admins, haven’t seen it myself.

087008001234 ,

What is the best example of this?

nyctre ,

Dunno about best, but This is the most recent one, I think

087008001234 ,

Thank you

GregorGizeh , (edited )

Honestly I am dismayed we have this dumb ass reddit culture take hold. Not everything you disagree with must be bannned from the sub defederated immediately, your instance doesnt owe you a feed that’s exactly how you like it. Defederation should be the last resort, since it entirely breaks communication and interaction between the instance’s users.

Instead, use the client side blocking features to clean up your feed. Personally I have blocked over 80 communities and users because they are centered around topics or beliefs I dont want on my feed, I blocked two instances as well, but I can still read their user’s comments and interact with their users outside the instances.

Defederating is just splintering the fediverse. Unless at all avoidable it shouldn’t be done, in fact I chose my instance specifically because it defederates nobody but meta and illegal content such as gore and csam.

r00ty Admin ,
r00ty avatar

I always saw open source as more socialist than specifically communist. Similar to volunteering in your community. Except the community is the whole world, and you don't need to leave your house. Bonus!

manicdave OP ,

To be honest I’d say it’s more similar to anarchism than socialism. Anarchism is voluntarist whilst socialism demands state power first. Both are ideally paths to communism* though so I’m going to say “communism” 'cause it annoys the most people.

communism as in post capitalist, post state utopia, not Stalinism*

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

.world is basically Reddit 2, but filled with the most radical liberals that specifically want to not be exposed to leftist instances, even db0 has a tenuous relation with them.

.world is constantly on anticommunist witch hunts, and now that Lemmygrad and Hexbear are not visible to them thanks to defederation, .ml is the last large Marxist-aligned instance they can see, so it’s the new boogeyman.

One of them tried to tell me Lemmy is Capitalist because posting is value, lmao

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Posting is labor 🫡

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Smh Dessalines is taking my labor power

Chuymatt ,

… what does that even mean …

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Which part? Posting being value? They tried to use Marx’ Labor Theory of Value to say that because admins aren’t decided democratically, and posting is labor and therefore creates Value, Lemmy is Capitalist.

This is, in fact, ridiculous, because Lemmy has a Use-Value but no Exchange-Value. Posting isn’t labor, and anyone can fork it.

pjwestin ,
@pjwestin@lemmy.world avatar

Not exactly. This started yesterday, when a user accused mods on .ml of, “tankie censorship,” (meaning censorship by tankies, not of tankies). He also came with some pretty good receipts that appear to show .ml mods removing criticism of China that, whether you agree with it or not, didn’t seem to violate any rules, and was well within the bounds of what most people would consider civil discourse. He also claims to have received bans from all of the .ml communities he’d ever participated in for pointing this bias out. It’s possible he’s presenting all of this with his own slant, but what he showed seems legit, and I’m not sure he could have provided more evidence without encouraging brigading.

This is now starting to snowball, with users starting to call for defederating from .ml. One .world user also posted on .cafe about Dessalines previous tankie comments, while another user has posted about finding replacements for the largest .ml communities.

So, saying what’s happing on .world is anti-communist isn’t accurate, as most the criticism has been anti-tankie. However, .world has a much higher level of liberals than most of Lemmy (they created a little echo chamber for themselves on Political Memes), and most of them are incapable or unwilling to understand the difference between a tankies and communists (or tankies and leftists…or tankies and criticism of Biden…). So, it will probably only be a matter of time before this group tries to blur the line between valid criticism of baised moderation from authoritarian apologists to general criticism of leftists.

So, tl;dr: .world isn’t broadly anti-communist, but a large portion of the community is upset about what appears to be biased moderation from tankie .ml mods, and there is a small contingent of .world liberals who I’m sure will take this opportunity to bash anyone to their left.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

The problem with this is that “Tankie” is a sliding target, including all Marxists. If you claim to only have a problem with Tankies, not all Marxists, but do your best to attack the majority of Marxists, does that mean the majority of Marxists are Tankies, or that .world has become an anticommunist instance?

I’d say this will only end up creating a multipolar Lemmy. Dessalines has already stated that .ml will not be the first to defed, as they believe in an interconnected Lemmy. However, the target boogyman for .worlders has shifted from Grad, to Hexbear, to now .ml. After .world finally defeds from .ml, will they shift towards db0? Lemm.ee, perhaps? Who knows.

This isn’t the first time this has happened, haha.

orsetto ,

Honestly i wouldn’t mind. Users on .world that don’t want a butt load of defederations will probably (and hopefully) move to another instance, whilst the rest of lemmy will be free from all the liberals uncapable of discriminating between communists and tankies

barsquid ,

And .world would be free of all the communists incapable of discriminating between communists and tankies. Everyone wins.

VinesNFluff ,
@VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

Tankie used to have a specific and clear meaning

But then people not in the know learned the word without caring what it meant

So now it just means “guy that I think is an asshole (leftist beliefs optional but expected)”

pjwestin ,
@pjwestin@lemmy.world avatar

I really only started to see the meaning of tankie start sliding once I got to Lemmy, and it goes in two directions; tankies who swear they aren’t tankies, they just have a lot of feelings about why the Uyghurs aren’t being mistreated, and liberals who literally think tankie is a synonym for leftist. (Seriously, if Lemmy has one unforgivable sin, it’s introducing the, “but her emails,” crowd to the word tankie.) Personally, I don’t care if I get tankies in my feed, but I’m not OK with instances that censor opinions they don’t like (I mean, assuming they’re not bigoted). Those mod logs are pretty damning, I’d like to hear from the .ml mods why they felt those weren’t legitimate discourse.

Honestly, my real takeaway from this whole mess is that it’s really dispelled the myth of federation as a silver bullet for all of social media’s ills. Federation was sold to me as a solution to overly-large internet communities, since federation would stop single communities from becoming too powerful, and communities could simply be defederated if they didn’t get along. Meanwhile, .world is whining that .ml’s communities are too large and important to lose, while .ml is bitching that .world defederating would be egregious and unreasonable. The whole thing feels more like a flame war between some large subreddits than the glorious online utopia that I was told federation would bring us. Actually, it feels a lot like the schism that started when r/antiwork fell apart.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t think .ml is whining about .world defeding, more like thinking it would be goofy, but expecting it.

SuddenDownpour ,

I really only started to see the meaning of tankie start sliding once I got to Lemmy, and it goes in two directions; tankies who swear they aren’t tankies, they just have a lot of feelings about why the Uyghurs aren’t being mistreated, and liberals who literally think tankie is a synonym for leftist.

This was already happening in Reddit roughly 2 years ago.

DAMunzy , (edited )

Wasn’t it .world that defed from db0 already (but later added it back) because of the piracy support? Or maybe that was .ee? When that happened I moved from that instance to here.

MeowZedong ,
@MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml avatar

This isn’t an attack on your comment, which gave quality information, but I think it’s relevant to the conversations linked in your comment.

Their definition of authoritarian is a contradiction to their actions and used subjectively. “I hate authoritarianism, so we should defederate to keep out the authoritarians.” This statement is supportive of a fundamentally authoritarian action.

This is also why people who use the term “tankies” seriously are themselves deeply unserious. Their understanding of the topic is superficial at best and colored only by Western biases rooted in anti-communist propaganda. The concept of authoritarianism was itself a product of propaganda.

Saying “no” is authoritarian. Holding elections is authoritarian. Authority itself doesn’t matter, what matters is who is in power and how they use their power to influence the world.

Some people recognize and accept this reality and then openly support the power that best aligns with their own benefit.

Anger at tankies is usually just a lack of class consciousness and ignorance based on a term that changes based on who you support and who you do not.

futatorius ,

And that, right there, is an example of the paradox of tolerance of intolerance.

DAMunzy ,

I love being able to block individual people. I’ve seen much less “pro-Biden a vote not for Biden is a vote for Trump” political compass meme shit lately because of that.

DriftinGrifter ,

time to block me because not voting for biden increases the ods of trump getting in office

DAMunzy ,

You support a candidate that is supporting a genocidal regime. You support genocide.

Wish granted!

bloodfart ,

Do you think trump is going to accept being declared the loser this time?

Last time some people tried to reverse the election results.

This time they’ve got a plan to harness the administrative states power once they get the presidency. Do you think there hasn’t been an equal amount of planning what to do to stop the steal a second time?

barsquid ,

You better block me as well. I don’t know why we should help support Bibi’s favorite candidate by doing exactly what Repubs want and voting for someone who barely broke 1% of the popular vote. I guess people really want more far-right theocratic judges who are blatantly unqualified and corrupt?

bloodfart ,

I’ll bite. The democrats aren’t listening to us, we have two options: not support them in the election or (it was surprising to see this one end up in the news recently) an appeal to heaven.

If you think trump is too much of a threat, that the president we already had will destroy democracy and there won’t be a 2028 election, that the most important thing is to keep out a candidate who didn’t accept it the last time he was declared the loser of an election and has had four years to prepare for this one as evidenced by project 2024, stop trying to get people to vote for the democrats and start stockpiling ammunition and training to oppose trump supporters in the streets instead.

barsquid ,

SCOTUS is right now still somehow deliberating on whether a president is allowed to Night of the Long Knives or not. SCOTUS is already taking away rights from my friends and neighbors. You may be privileged enough to pretend it won’t affect you, I guess.

You think you aren’t being heard now, it isn’t going to improve under a fascist regime that ends voting with their Project 2025 shit. Have you not been paying attention to how Repubs have dealt with protesters? Yeah, becoming an armed insurgent would be the only option for change remaining once it gets to that point.

That’s cool, though, you do you.

bloodfart ,

Wait, the unelected branches of government are restricting rights of minorities and giving power to the executive branch now but we won’t have fascism to fight against until this one guy wins an election?

What happened last time he wasn’t declared the winner of an election? What makes you think that wouldn’t be a concern this time around? How do you square that with the degree of preparation that went into project 2025?

Let me make my thesis crystal clear: if you believe that trump will usher in American fascism and you recognize that he won’t accept the results of the election, you don’t need to get people to vote for Biden to make sure the results of the election aren’t in favor of trump, you need to prepare to physically confront trump supporters in the streets with guns and training to prevent a for real this time coup.

I’m not saying that to get you to go out and buy an ar-15 and a plate carrier (although you should, theyre not getting any cheaper), but to get you to recognize the absurdity of holding all those beliefs together.

barsquid ,

I do think that’s a concern this time around. I think the best chance at stopping it is not giving him the legal right to take office, and not giving him a blank check to Long Knife whomever he wants.

Yeah, I guess I see your point also. Assume the country will be attacked either way. Get ready to defend myself if not fight for it. I don’t disagree.

I still remain unconvinced that it is a good move to throw a vote away instead of casting it against Donald.

bloodfart ,

It’s pretty ahistorical to suggest that the law is a shield against fascism. Even if it weren’t, you came out of the gate saying that the judiciary, the organ of government which interprets the laws, is already fascist.

Rather than accepting the idea that you need to become a new type of fighting true patriot, armed, ready and able to defend the country against its enemies, I had hoped you would see that the government isn’t worth defending and that the future you want can’t be delivered by it no matter which of the two major parties is in power.

If a person accepted that reality it’s no big leap to vote for a party they actually support, considering that party will benefit from event and ballot presence, media appearances, public awareness and funding due directly to the ballots cast for them this go round even if they don’t win.

Of course that means voting for a party, not a person. I have been throwing the party for socialism and liberation out there because it represents my own politics and ideas, but there are others.

barsquid ,

It is ahistorical to think a third party will win at all with FPTP. Libertarian Gary Johnson had over three times more votes than Stein in 2016 and he only got a bit past 3%. Neither of them had actual EC votes.

The government is not going to trend towards leftism from voting. It is going to trend towards fascism and authoritarianism because the Repubs reliably come out to vote and will vote for someone who already did a putsch and is openly talking about dictatorship and assassinating political opponents. The Dems are going to trend (further) towards fascism chasing the middle voter if they do get another chance.

Plenty of countries have managed to be authoritarian for decades if not longer, but perhaps the regime would be toppled after a period of war. I don’t think there’s any guarantee an improved government would form out of the rubble from that.

bloodfart ,

Well, I don’t think a third party will win either to be honest. That’s why I didn’t say it would or that the third party voter should only do so if they can win. I think a strong third party showing like what you described from greens and libertarians from a party that does grassroots organizing like psl would build political power that doesn’t come from the extant local/state bourgeois and national/global bourgeois structures.

That newly built political power would either have its ideas folded into one of the major parties or would fundamentally change the political landscape of the imperial core and become a new major political party or even some unknown third outcome!

I agree with you that voting isn’t gonna turn the government towards leftism of any kind. A leftist third party vote will though tip the scale however imperceptibly towards giving attention, material advantages and public awareness to those ideas.

Now if you’re like me, and you believe that there’s no future with the republicans or democrats, then it’s a no-brainer to vote for a leftist party like psl.

But for a person who sees the ratchet effect in action yet still believes it to be reversible, who believes that the democrats can be good enough to oppose fascism instead of just being its handmaidens, I also believe a third party leftist vote is a no-brainer: it forces the democrats to see your views.

They cant twist your ideas, they can’t say they have a mandate to continue the genocide, they can’t deepfake or dismiss you because you told them in clear, unequivocal terms exactly what votes they could get and in what districts they could win if they had those policies and platforms.

If you don’t care weather we get a new ascendant egalitarian American labor movement that ushers in an end to global neoliberalism or the democrats cynically adopt left wing policies and platforms as long as things get better then a third party vote for the leftist party of your choice is best.

barsquid ,

In a world where the Repubs would also vote rationally it might be the right choice. But they’re all in on this guy. They’re all in on whoever it is every election. Fox has brainwashed a huge swath of the country. Even worse, the land area gets the voting power instead of the people. So the Dems are only ever going to actually care about the opinions of a few select districts in a few select states.

And I don’t think you see as much of a difference between Dems and Repubs as I do, so you view Donald as less of a risk than I do. I think it was a huge disaster 2017-2021 and it would be complete and (this time) irreversible disaster 2025 to whenever. I’m still not sure if 2017 was reversible TBH.

I appreciate the dialogue but I think we’ve reached the point where our fundamental beliefs about it are just at odds. Neither of us will convince each other to be all the way on the other’s position. Let’s conclude amicably (I think we were).

(I don’t mean to cut you off, if you had closing thoughts to respond with here, I’ll read them. But I might not follow up.)

bloodfart ,

You don’t need to respond to anything you don’t want to. I’m not trying to convince you of anything, but I hope that someone who reads our exchange and doesn’t feel comfortable with your outlook yet still wants to vote or can’t let themselves give up in despair will see mine as an alternative.

How do you think the republican base voting rationally would make a leftist third party vote the right choice? I tried to work within your own suppositions that the system is fundamentally broken and that we already have fascism to construct my arguments, I can’t see how the way the conservative base votes plays into that.

If you’re willing to elaborate on the differences between the democrats and republicans you see I’m always interested to hear them. I also think that they’re different but that those differences aren’t significant enough in word or deed to make me consider one over the other.

I’d also be interested in hearing what made trumps first term so disastrous and why you think it might not be undone.

DAMunzy ,

Your Savior, Genocide Joe, had the ability to put more people in the Supreme Court but he didn’t. Stop with the bullshit.

You support genocide.

Wish granted.

barsquid ,

Thought you were blocking us? Keep helping Bibi’s preferred candidate, great work. When the killing accelerates even faster you can pat yourself on the back.

_donnadie_ , (edited )
@_donnadie_@feddit.cl avatar

there is a small contingent of .world liberals who I’m sure will take this opportunity to bash anyone to their left.

They are very active though, and they don’t lose their chance to mention and antagonize .ml, which I think is kind of shitty. It happens even in threads where people are commenting about stuff unrelated to politics. lemmy.world is constantly looking for targets to defederate from.

edit: I’d like to mention that I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m just giving my perspective on it.

pjwestin ,
@pjwestin@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, yeah, they’re a very loud, obnoxious little group, and removing users that are only interested in picking fights is perfectly valid. But the screenshots from the original post really only seemed to be talking about China’s censorship of Tiananmen Square, and while it’s impossible to say without of context, their tone really didn’t seem to be combative. They just seemed to be expressing opinions about China that didn’t align with the .ml mods’ beliefs, and that’s troubling.

What’s more, Dessalines gave a response that’s kinda telling about all this. A user called .ml out on censorship (in a very respectful tone), and Dessalines basically replied saying asking questions is OK when it’s done in good faith, but a lot of people only ask them to start fights. When the user replied that he was actually talking about people being censored for expressing opinions in good faith that run counter to .ml mods beliefs, Dessalines chose not to reply.

I really seems like .ml wants to remove opinions that run contrary to the mods beliefs about communism. If that is the case, fair enough, but then maybe it does make sense for instances that don’t moderate that way to defederate. I don’t want to worry about policing myself on a bunch of the communities in my feed because I might get banned for my opinion on a news story.

Maybe these fears are unfounded, and this whole thing is being blown out of proportion, but none of the .ml mods have addressed the original post yet. Dessalines has left several comments on the Ask Lemmy post Are You a Tankie, but he’s chosen not to reply to the censorship claim. Given the silence, I have to assume the worst.

Aria ,

He also came with some pretty good receipts that appear to show .ml mods removing criticism of China that, whether you agree with it or not, didn’t seem to violate any rules, and was well within the bounds of what most people would consider civil discourse.

but what he showed seems legit, and I’m not sure he could have provided more evidence without encouraging brigading.

Based on just your link, it just kinda looks like he was posting unsourced gore. That doesn’t feel like civil discourse to me.

I don’t really see any criticism being removed. If Katana314’s message was congruent with reality it would count, but otherwise just making accusations isn’t criticism.

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

Are they very much against commies?

We’re not, OP is just butthurt about Their Guy™ getting publicly dunked on for tankie branded censorship

Cowbee , (edited )
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Cool, then unblock Hexbear and Lemmygrad.

You can’t have it both ways, either you’re against Communism or you aren’t, and blocking every overtly Communist instance makes it obvious.

There’s nothing wrong with running things how you want to, but please keep a consistent line or this drama will just move on to a new target, like dbzer0 after .world finally commits to defederating.

zbyte64 ,

That’s bullshit; being communist isn’t a free pass to be antisocial. History has an example of literal pedophiles organizing under the banner of communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_90/The_Greens#:~….

Cowbee , (edited )
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Is that why Hexbear and Lemmygrad were blocked? Hexbear being one of the largest and most active overtly trans-positive instances, and Lemmygrad being the largest explicitly Marxist Instance?

You’re just calling them pedophiles now rather than even entertain the idea that .world just doesn’t like Communists.

You’re treating Communism like liberals treat gay people, fine and supportive until they actually have to see gay people and complain about representation in TV and movies.

zbyte64 ,

Is that why Hexbear and Lemmygrad were blocked? Hexbear being one of the largest and most active overtly trans-positive instances, and Lemmygrad being the largest explicitly Marxist Instance?

Blocked for being antisocial? Yes. If it was about being trans then Blahaj would have been blocked a long time ago.

If anything, I’m complaining about bad communist tropes dominating the media representation, and by that I mean leninists.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

It isn’t a trope if the vast majority of Marxists also agree with Lenin worldwide, lmao.

It’s blatantly anticommunism, not just because people are “antisocial.” You’re like a republican with a token gay friend that complains about the LGBTQ community dominating everything these days, lol. It’s sad, just own up to being anticommunist.

zbyte64 ,

When I say antisocial behavior I’m not talking about ideology but actions like banning people posting literal facts about tiananmen or any other historical event. When responses fail to acknowledge actual history that is brought up, then it is likely working from a reactionary framework.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Then ban the users, don’t defed. As it stands, .world is anticommunist and censors all communists it can.

zbyte64 , (edited )

Many other servers asked them to clean house but they refused, hence the defed. Wild how the ones deleting and banning users are the victims of censorship here 🙄

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

.world defeded from Hexbear before they were ever federated, lol

zbyte64 ,

And? I was over at Blahaj when this stuff went down so admittedly things played differently in different parts of the fediverse. Even so, the details of how things escalated should not distract from the behavior that is central to the conflict: ML engaging in censorship motivated by personal ideology instead of making an attempt to be objective.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Are .ml’s users complaining, or .world’s?

zbyte64 ,

Come on dude, I just mentioned Blahaj. Don’t pretend only .world has a problem with .ml . And again, the two complaints of censorship raised by the two are not the same. The majority of communities wants moderation to at least attempt to be objective towards history.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

What makes you say .ml isn’t attempting to be objective?

zbyte64 ,

Deleting and banning those who discuss tienamen square is pretty damning IMHO.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

There’s a difference between trying to discuss the Tian’anmen massacre and repeating debunked figures like saying 10,000 people were killed, like the BBC did, instead of looking at the vast majority of historical reports that state 300-2000 were killed.

zbyte64 ,

If the discussion is about how a government that massacres its own people and censors even searches of it is bad, then no, rectifying that difference in number doesn’t make the objection go away.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

The CPC publicly makes statements about the Tian’anmen massacre, it isn’t as censored as people believe it to be in the west.

You should hate South Korea more than China then, considering more people are estimated by the west to have been slaughtered by the state in Gwangju than in Tian’anmen.

Nobody thinks it was a good thing that people were massacred.

zbyte64 , (edited )

Dude, I literally ran a Firefox plugin at one time that gave me the “Great Firewall of China” experience. But just in case, I went over to Baidu and did a search and here’s the official story you speak of (and the only one told in the search results): www.chinadaily.com.cn/…/content_12898720.htm

The article does not address how many people were killed or even whether violence occurred.

I would call those results to be censorship.

Edit: I don’t like the South Korean state either, but not more or less, just different. I’m not here to say which state is more morally justified than another, even when they’re at end stage capitalism.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I didn’t say it wasn’t censored, just that it wasn’t as censored as you may believe. searching for Tian’anmen Square comes up with results for me.

What did you try to search?

zbyte64 ,

Well now that we have established that it is as censored as I believe because I have first hand experience, can we circle back to massacres and censoring said massacres are bad and not what we want in a social media service?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Wait, we didn’t establish that. I got results, and shared them. Searching June 5th Tian’anmen Square comes up with results, as does june 5th tian’anmen massacre.

Either way, yes, censorship is wrong, so is intentionally lying about geopolitical adversaries.

zbyte64 ,

I have found that the results from Baidu do not state whether violence happened or how many were killed in regards to the massacre. The event also seems absent from the Baidu encyclopedia: baike.baidu.com/item/天安门/63708

This is more than a government that doesn’t want to acknowledge any violence on their part, it acts to silence discussion around the event and the .ml community’s actions replicate that effect (which damns any objectivity the mods have).

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

We’re against tankies, pay attention dude

Cowbee , (edited )
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

What separates a Marxist from a tankie? Are Anarchists tankies?

There are no .world communities for Communism, Socialism, or Marxism, so all of the Marxists who wish to contribute must do it on instances like Lemmy.ml, Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, or dbzer0. Lemmy.world deliberately blocking their users from contributing or even seeing Hexbear or Lemmygrad, and possibly soon even Lemmy.ml, is censorship of Marxists from its own users.

Or is there a secret commie gathering in .world I don’t know about?

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

Authoritarianism

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

What Marxists get the pass, and which don’t?

There are no .world communities for Communism, Socialism, or Marxism, so all of the Marxists who wish to contribute must do it on instances like Lemmy.ml, Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, or dbzer0. Lemmy.world deliberately blocking their users from contributing or even seeing Hexbear or Lemmygrad, and possibly soon even Lemmy.ml, is censorship of Marxists from its own users.

Return2ozma got banned on Lemmy.world for criticizing Biden.

Or is there a secret commie gathering in .world I don’t know about?

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

What Marxists get the pass, and which don’t?

Non-authoritarians and authoritarians respectively. It’s not that complicated.

There are no .world communities for Communism

Did you seriously not even look? Or do you not understand how the fediverse works

Return2ozma got banned on Lemmy.world for criticizing Biden.

Doubt.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

What’s the metric to determine between authoritarian and non-authoritarian? Marx and Engels both considered themselves Authoritarian.

1 community with 1 post? Certainly seems like a community welcoming to Marxists! Show me a Marxist community on Lemmy.world that actually has participants, lol.

My point is that the biggest and most active communities are on instances either blocked by .world or are threatened to be.

You can see why Return2Ozma was banned, your admin admitted to it.

You’re goofy.

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

How about “advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom”?

Show me a Marxist community on Lemmy.world that actually has participants, lol

Accessed via .world, moderated by a .world user. I also moderate an openly pro-communist community from .world, !196.

You don’t understand how Lemmy works.

You can see why Return2Ozma was banned

He was banned from c/politics, not from .world. The c/politics rules aren’t .world rules. He made a post from .world literally a few hours ago.

(I don’t agree with the ban either, btw)

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Cool, then Hexbear and Lemmygrad aren’t tankies by your definition. Go over and ask them about that. Oh wait, you can’t.

Communism is a lemmy.ml community, which is my point. Lemmy.world does not host any communist communities despite being the largest instance, and it seems like they may defed from .ml soon, leaving .world with nothing. I’m not sure if you are intentionally not seeing my point, or if you genuinely don’t get it.

196 is an Anarchist community, not a Marxist one. Supporting Marxism can get you banned there.

I didn’t say Ozma was banned from the entirety of .world, just that posting anti-Biden articles will catch you a ban on .world, further proving their general anti-Marxist stance.

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

To be fair I didn’t see anything all that bad when I skimmed Hexbear but clearly Lemmygrad has no shortage of CCP and Stalin apologists.

Either way, I don’t know why you’re whining at me about a decision I didn’t make or agree to, and has nothing to do with why I don’t approve of tankie rhetoric.

Communism is a lemmy.ml community … Lemmy.world does not host any communist communities

Which is accessible by .world users, so why would we need a new one that isn’t as active? Lemm.ee doesn’t have an ALTA community, do you think they all hate ALTA?

196 is an Anarchist community, not a Marxist one. Supporting Marxism can get you banned there.

We’re a leftist community. I’ve never seen someone get banned for supporting Marxism, and I’d invite you to post to your heart’s content but the crux of your issue seems to be that we have very different definitions of authoritarianism/tankie posting.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Lemmygrad has a fairly standard Marxist stance. What do you count as “apoligism?”

Lemmy.ml hasn’t defederated from ATLA communities. Lemmy.world having no Marxist communities and showing signs of defederating from Lemmy.ml sends a pretty clear anti-Marxist stance, especially when they defederated from Marxist instances already.

196 does not advertise itself as anti-Marxist, but very quickly Marxists get branded “tankies” and get banned. It’s easy to pretend to support Marxists and allow Marxists but then brand them tankies if they take standard Marxist stances. That’s why it’s better to just call 196 an Anarchist instance, if Marx himself would be considered a Tankie.

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

CCP/Stalin apologists, people who defend the CPP/Stalin.

Lemmy.world having no Marxist communities …

Still has nothing to do with my disapproval of tankie rhetoric. Personally I think everyone should be given a chance to have a civil discussion even if I disagree, but defederation isn’t my decision.

but very quickly Marxists get branded “tankies” and get banned.

I’ve never seen a shred of evidence for this, and I can see the modlog. I’m open to checking it out and advocating change if you actually have something to support this, but frankly, you running defense for Lemmygrad doesn’t exactly lend you any credibility.

If you post Marxist/communist/socialist stuff without a hint of tankie shit or authoritarian apologetics and it gets you banned, you have it here on record that I’ll personally defend you and advocate for change in the community.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

What counts as defending? Like, if I say I think it’s cool that China has high speed rail, am I a tankie? That’s why I am asking.

As for 196, I try to avoid discussing anything political there except for the most benign and uncontroversial takes possible, because that’s what that community tends to want.

Where do you draw the line between authoritarian and Marxist? What good Marxist movements have existed that don’t count as authoritarian to you? This all seems vibes-based.

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

You’ve gotta be being deliberately obtuse.

How about “advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom”?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Everyone does that to different degrees, where is the line? Is it a vibe check?

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

CCP/Stalin apologists, people who defend the CPP/Stalin.

How about “advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom”?

If you genuinely still don’t understand what it means to defend authoritarianism, I can’t help you. It doesn’t get more specific than what I’ve already given you.

Otherwise, I’m not going to keep entertaining willful ignorance.

rufus , to nostupidquestions in Are smart door locks more or less secure than traditional door locks?

Thieves don’t pick locks or hack them. You mostly want to protect against brute force.

kryptonianCodeMonkey ,

A lock is never weaker than a window. If someone wants in your house, there are ways that don’t have anything to do with your locks. Locks of any quality largely work by deterrence, rather than actual pickability or durability. If I have to literally break something to get in, I’m drawing attention to myself and immediately putting a count down on my robbery before a cop shows up or witnesses get a better look at me, my vehicle, etc. So it’s already not worth it for most petty thieves.

variants ,

when some thieves broke into my neighbors house they first rang the door bell a few times to make sure no one was home, after that they hopped the fence and went window to window until they found one that was unlocked and went in that way

kryptonianCodeMonkey ,

Yup. Path of least resistance

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

This could go badly for would-be thieves, I usually don’t answer the door if I’m naked, lol. Hopefully, they like gay shit when they break in. ✨️

variants ,

Haha the dudes that broke in left a big knife on their pillow too not sure if they actually would have used it or was just as a scare tactic, they were like two high school aged dudes that most likely were the kids who lived across the street

TheIllustrativeMan ,

A broken window is clear indication of theft for insurance purposes. If your lock gets picked, you might be fucked depending on how your policy is written.

schmidtster ,

Where is this a thing?

UPGRAYEDD ,

I worked for a company that designed home security devices for a few years… Pretty much everyone i talked to agreed there is only 1 actually good security device that is an effective deterrent. Its called “Large Scary Dog”. Every other device is there just to notify you that all your shit is soon to be or already gone.

On the other hand, these digital locks, while not any safer, are much more convenient. I am all in on not having to carry keys and instead have a code to enter or some other easy access.

variants ,

Ive always wondered what happens if the battery dies, do you still need to carry a key in case that happens

kryptonianCodeMonkey ,

Usually there is a warning that the battery is dying well ahead of it actually being dead. One that can send notifications will ping your phone with a low battery message. Others have audible warnings. You unlock it and then it starts beeping at you. It keeps doing that until you either change the batteries or it eventually dies. But you have to do a lot of ignoring for it to die on you. Many do have key backups too though. Just in case

RecallMadness ,

A few have external terminals to charge them when they die.

I have a 9v battery stashed in a flower pot next to my door for when it happens.

DrPop ,

I hope there is a replacement replacement. Life deserves recursion.

UPGRAYEDD ,

Two is one, one is none.

Zikeji ,
@Zikeji@programming.dev avatar

There are ones like August that only add the smart lock on one side and retain the old hardware on the outside. If the battery runs out you just gotta use your key like a plebian. It warns you ahead of time it’s low though and I’ve never had it fail in the half decade I’ve had it.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Most dogs are fine if you just carry treats and act polite. I’ve seen plenty of dogs just let intruders in because they were kind to them.

h3mlocke ,

So…you were the intruder, right?

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

intrudes upon this conversation

…yep.

myersguy , to gaming in Pssst, can I interest you in some free video games?

If I have to have a prime subscription to get the game, it’s not free IMO

Otherwise a great idea!

smeg OP ,

Technically true, though you can start a free trial of Prime and claim all the games, and then (supposedly) they’re still yours to keep after the trial expires. A small hoop to jump through, but it should mean free games!

Hyperreality ,

Depends. Some of the games they give you are on gog. Those you certainly get to keep.

IRC Others are only available as long as you're a prime member.

smeg OP , (edited )

According to the game pages themselves:

Games with Prime are free to collect and can be kept forever.

I’ve not tried cancelling myself, but a quick web search for other people asking this question says yes you do keep them!

HidingCat ,

What, no, absolutely not. In fact I recall the games you get via their launcher don't even have DRM on them. I'll check them again at some point.

gk99 ,

Some definitely do have DRM. I explicitly ended up buying Devil May Cry on Steam despite getting it with Prime because it opened the Twitch launcher every time I tried to play, which messed up Steam Input or whatever I was trying to use at the time.

hogart ,
@hogart@feddit.nu avatar

Doesn’t really work if I’ve had a subscription before, or used said free month some time in the past.

Only issue here is to flag it’s on Twitch Prime so everyone has the right expectation.

smeg OP ,

Can you not create a new account with a new (or alias) email? Or do they want phone number, card, or other less-easily-created details?

The Amazon ones are tagged as such, but there are plenty of other providers with less hoops to jump through!

hogart ,
@hogart@feddit.nu avatar

I haven’t tried. That’s not for me. I’d rather just buy the game or pirate it. Both are much easier.

Omegamanthethird ,

If I already have a subscription, anything extra is, in practicality, free.

ReversalHatchery ,

You shouldn’t assume that everyone is giving money to that pathetic company

Omegamanthethird ,

You shouldn’t assume that nobody is.

ReversalHatchery ,

I did not. OP did assume that everyone does, by not mentioning that these depend on an active amazon prime subscription.

smeg OP ,

Most of them don’t, and the ones that do are all tagged with [Amazon]. I made no such assumption!

ReversalHatchery ,

That is cool, thanks for the clarification!

gk99 ,

Amazon is a storefront, not the subscription. They actually do give out free stuff once in a blue moon, so just saying [Amazon] is not clarification enough. On reddit, subs like this would say “complimentary with Prime” or something like that.

smeg OP ,

Well if you click on the posts you’ll see that I do state that information in the description, I just don’t overload the title with it

hellfire103 , to technology in Someone is trying to log in to my account from WINDOWS 7!!!
@hellfire103@sopuli.xyz avatar

In the UK, a lot of our government still uses XP and a lot of our public embedded devices (e.g. the tills in the Co-Op) run on Internet Explorer.

Some random Thai hacker using 7 isn’t that much of a stretch.

Asymptote ,

What are Co-Ops?

Gullible ,

You know, like don’t starve together, portal 2, deep strokes VR 3D p2p edition.

hellfire103 ,
@hellfire103@sopuli.xyz avatar

It’s a kind of shop. They do other things as well, but the shop is the most memorable. Co-Op is short for “Co-Operative”.

They’re related to the Co-Op Party, which is part of the Labour party (a popular left-wing political party).

twack ,

That is… Not quite the same as I thought whenever I read that word. Around here, a co-op is a collective purchasing program or a store that participates in a similar program. They buy foods in bulk at wholesale prices. By bulk, I don’t mean the family size bags available at a membership club like Costco. I mean like a 100lb bag of flour meant for a restaurant or an entire pallet of something.

A group of people get together and make note of what they want to buy, and if enough people want the same item it gets purchased. Then they all meet up on delivery day and split the item at the amounts they paid for.

I’m assuming that is very different than what you are describing.

hellfire103 ,
@hellfire103@sopuli.xyz avatar

Here’s the Wikipedia article on the shop: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-op_Food

And here are the other businesses that the Co-Operative Group are a part of: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Co-operative_brand#Uses…

Even as a British person who has grown up with this organisation, though, I still don’t really understand it.

riodoro1 , to technology in How do i stop this kind of pop up from ever appearing again? Win10

Microsoft Reward points

What the fuck is this?

account_93 ,

You “earn” points by searching and doing daily stuff which you can redeem for gift cards/rewards.

Fisch ,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

So they literally have to pay people to use bing?

Asudox ,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

pathetic

Amazed ,

Taking a page out of Brave Browser’s book. So brave.

kboy101222 ,

Bing rewards has been around for 6 years longer than the brave browser has existed (2010 vs 2016)

AlphaOmega ,

Yeah. It’s been that way for at least a decade. My dad used to use bing for reward points and was scoring an Xbox controller every 3 months or so.

Hadriscus ,

No way ? that’s a good ratio. I might just try automating Bing searches.

LukeMedia ,

Unfortunately a lot of people have thought the same thing, and I believe they’ve cut down on that. Wouldn’t hurt taking a brief look into it, though. However, the rewards points aren’t as valuable as they used to be, I’m pretty sure.

Honytawk , to casualuk in How I (US) make tea when my British friend comes over to visit

Well, the US once made the biggest cup of tea in history.

A whole harbor.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Now THAT was a wild party!

tiredofsametab ,

I doubt it, but now I wonder what the biggest amount of tea that ended up in the ocean is and how to search for it. I know whole ships were lost, but digging through manifests (assuming they exist) wouldn't be fun. I also wonder how many in Asia there would have been, possibly before tea even gained popularity in the west.

lloydsmart ,

Americans make the worst tea. Cold and salty.

hydrospanner ,

Cold and salty.

Sounds suitably British.

ebc , to programmerhumor in Just getting into JS

To any non-js dev taking this too seriously: A good half of the technologies mentioned in this meme are redundant, you only need to learn one of them (in addition to the language). It’s like complaining that there are too many Linux distributions to learn: you don’t, you just pick one and go with it.

NuclearDolphin ,

Part of the problem is choosing from those options (when you have a choice). Open-ended questions like that nuke my productivity when starting a project because I spend more time researching and weighing options than actually programming.

As time has gone on, I’ve increasingly become a fan of restricting how many ways devs can do something.

you just pick one and go with it.

Might be my ADHD, but I can never just do that. But I posit that excess choice hurts feature development pace by wasting effort on reinventing the wheel.

A good example is the Nix ecosystem:

Nix expression language provides almost no constraints, leaving users to do the same things in a bunch of ways, and preventing a clear notion of which way is generally best from arising…which makes upstream super conservative with implementing new features the community wants, because any decision might break one those things. Leaving us with a 5+ year old “experimental” feature + CLI used by 80% of users, but no consensus on an official implementation. So many simple upstream changes become a series of 3 competing community projects providing a solution for that feature, further preventing consensus.

ebc ,

It’s true that you can easily fall into analysis paralysis when you start learning JS, but honestly things have somewhat stabilized in recent years. 10 years ago everybody was switching frameworks every 6 months, but these days we’re going on 8+ years of absolute React dominance. So I guess that’s it for the view layer.

The data layer has seen some movement in more recent years with Flux then GraphQL / Relay, but I think most people have settled on either Apollo or react-query now (depending on your backend).

On the backend there was basically only express.js, and I think it’s still the king if you only want to write a backend.

Static websites came back in fashion with Jekyll and Github Pages so Gatsby solved that problem in js-land for a while, but nowadays Next also fulfills that niche, along with the more fullstack-oriented apps.

Svelte, Vue, Aurelia and Mithril are mostly niche frameworks. They have a dedicated, vocal fanbase (see the Svelte guy as sibling to your comment) but most of the industry has settled along the lines I’ve mentioned.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

I spend more time researching and weighing options than actually programming.

It’s called Analysis Paralysis caused by Overchoice. Basically, the more similar options there are, the harder it is to pick.

Empathy ,

I want to add that, like you, I’ve become a big fan of restricting the numbers of ways to do something.

IMO, It’s more time wasted choosing, more time wasted reviewing, and makes it easier to overlook errors. I want more opinionated languages and frameworks.

NuclearDolphin ,

I reallt like the approach taken in Rust’s borrow checker, where good, safe, and sometimes overbearing design choices are enforced by default, but you can explicitly declare exemptions. Makes identifying potential problem code blocks easy too.

MonkeMischief ,

This is exactly why I always tell myself it’ll be super fun and easy to replace a Linux distro on one of my machines, and I do the fun part of balancing release style, desktop environment, all the shiny stuff…know what stops me dead in my tracks upon install?

Deciding a file system. Because it feels like such a weighty decision with far-reaching effects.

According to internet research, they’re all the right one, they’re all the wrong one, they’re all just fine, and don’t use any of them because they’ll wipe all your data. Lol

Your documentation on file system choice is either anecdotal or engineering-masters-thesis, seemingly no in-between.

I’ve just decided BTRFS with snapshots is great, and keep good enough backups that I shouldn’t have to fiddle with the fanciest deep-knowledge features to save my system.

Might be my ADHD as well. XD

NuclearDolphin ,

Your documentation on file system choice is either anecdotal or engineering-masters-thesis, seemingly no in-between

God, I feel this so much. All the benchmarks are such ass too.

I have also struggled with picking a disk layout + FS, and landed on using a single BTRFS partition with FDE.

For now, I’m happy. Unless there’s a new FS that definitively beats BTRFS on NVMe perf and supports copy-on-write and something that makes FDE as easy as subvolumes that definitively beats BTRFS on NVMe drives, I won’t even bother looking into it again.

I’ve considered moving to a RAID setup, but it seems like more trouble than it’s worth, since I do regular /home backups & NixOS keeps my entire system config in version control.

If I ever consider a different disk setup, I’m just going to fire up a clean distro install on a spare NVMe and benchmark my most common tasks myself.

NixOS has killed my decision paralysis for choosing distros and desktop env stuff since I can just enable whatever in my config, try it out, then revert if I don’t like it enough to switch.

Only thing I can’t trivially test is disk layouts, but with disko, it might be easy enough to create a custom NixOS installer that:

  • auto-installs a disk layout & your config
  • reboots
  • runs your benchmarks
  • writes the results to disk
  • reboots into the live image, repeating this for a list of disk layouts.
savedbythezsh ,

I feel the same way. Designing good, opinionated APIs is HARD, but it also provides the best experience for both the author and the consumer.

  • Prettier is the undisputed king of JS formatters because it has no options by design. You set and forget.
  • One of the reasons iOS is so successful is because they lock down their APIs and put strict standards on apps, making it hard to write something that doesn’t at least look good and slot into the OS well.

Among other examples.

Tenkard ,

Exactly, you just have to pick SvelteKit

GlenTheFrog ,
@GlenTheFrog@lemmy.ml avatar

… until you run into a problem which you can’t figure out on your own. Then you search the web, and only find how to do it with Y, instead of the technology you used which is called X. So after determining that you’re truly stuck, you switch to Y. Until you get stuck again, you search the web, and can only find how to do it in Z. And everyone online tells you you’re stupid to use X or Y in the first place. And the cycle continues.

This is why I gave up on being a web developer and stayed far away from JS.

grrgyle ,

I came from a cpp background and loved it the moment I saw it. Like, you mean I just go var foo = … and then I can put anything? No type casting?? No types??? Finally, I was free.

But I’ve always been more of a hacker than a real programmer. I’ve since learned that there are advantages to using types, static checking, etc…

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Don’t ever come to me saying “finally I am free from types” very few things make me angry. Rejecting types is one of them.

Also its let foo and const foo depending on how you plan to use the variable…

grrgyle ,

There wasn’t any let or const when I got into it hahaa

jjjalljs ,

I mostly work in Python, but we use types at work. For a hack day project I skipped typing stuff for like an hour, and then went “wait this sucks” and added types. It was easier overall.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah all of them are converging on WebComponent so really its all interchangable and eventually, WebComponent will replace the need for them.

Kinda like how we slowly made all of jQuery part of ECMAScript 5. Now I know what you’re thinking: kingthrillgore, if ES5 has all the functionality, why do we still see a big chunk of CPU time lost when jQuery is loaded in the webpack? And to that I would reply…yes, yes we do! 😂😭

9point6 , to gaming in Where's my current gen rocket jump?

I’m still mad they canned the UT reboot because of bloody fortnite

teawrecks ,

No, you don’t understand, if they hadn’t cut UT to do Fortnite, Epic would be destitute and wouldn’t have enough money to make the games people actually want them to make…wait…

GreenCrush , to lemmyshitpost in Media cares little for immigrants.
@GreenCrush@lemmy.world avatar

It’s because 100s of migrants drowning at sea is something horrible that regular people can’t do anything about. It makes us sad, and angry. Just like almost every other story about billionaire greed and the coming climate disaster.

Now, a bunch of ultra rich, regulation hating, planet destroying losers dying in a tiny submersible because they have the kind of money to go see the titanic for fun? That’s the kind of story that makes us feel good. It’s karma.

FrowingFostek ,

I wish everyone had this kind of class solidarity 👍🏽

Maggoty ,

Oh no it’s so much worse than a random boat sinking in the night. The Greek Coast Guard was there and did nothing until after the boat went down. Despite calls for aid. There are also allegations they actively caused the sinking by trying to push the boat away from national waters.

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

it’s also not that many migrants coming in ~ half a million over the last decade or so[1].

We have severe labor shortages in this country, and since we’re not upping wages, why not let them stay and work. Give them citizenship and they’ll even pay taxes, which is more than can be said for the ultra-rich in this land.

1: …gov.uk/…/latest-statement-in-response-to-small-b…

loudWaterEnjoyer , to technology in Someone is trying to log in to my account from WINDOWS 7!!!
@loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

He’s probably using a VM and/or faking his fingerprint.

TheGreatFox , to technology in Someone is trying to log in to my account from WINDOWS 7!!!

Clearly they should be using Windows XP instead.

Darkassassin07 ,
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

Vista*

silver ,

*ME

Caligvla ,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

95*

eroc1990 ,

3.1

janAkali ,

dos

brand ,

3.11 for Workgroups

tonytins ,
@tonytins@pawb.social avatar

UNIVAC.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Babbage Analytical Engine

Diprount_Tomato ,
@Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world avatar

uno

Furball ,

Bob

sebinspace ,

your joke but worse

theangryseal ,

Derjerkbertwerser

I’m awful I know, but I’m so happy to see this downvoted.

I love you. Have a nice day!

sebinspace ,

I chuckled. Good night!

torafugu , to technology in How do i stop this kind of pop up from ever appearing again? Win10
@torafugu@artemis.camp avatar

It is time to stray away from Windows.

progenyofthestars , to programmerhumor in open source in progress...

Source: https://xkcd.com/927/.

Not posting with alternative text is like missing half of the xkcd.

DeflectedBullhorn , (edited )

Wow, somehow this escaped me all these years. I feel like I’ve got a bunch of fresh XKCD to read now.

For the uneducated: On a mobile browser you just press and hold the comic (long tap). On a computer you hover over the image and the alt text will appear next to the cursor.

The alt text in this one was:

spoilerFortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we’ve all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

progenyofthestars ,
Sabata11792 , to internetfuneral in It's too dangerous
@Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

My therapist/cute anime girl running on local hardware disagrees.

OmegaMouse OP ,
@OmegaMouse@feddit.uk avatar

Oh god she’s trapped in there! Get her out! Y2K will kill her 😱

Sabata11792 ,
@Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

Nooo, I can't move on to real people. There mean to me.

shootwhatsmyname ,
@shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee avatar

sHuT uP

Sabata11792 ,
@Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

See, its happening already.

Sotuanduso ,

It’s “they’re” you scrollwheel!

A7thStone ,

Yes Krieger san.

RuikkaaPrus , to programmerhumor in Just getting into JS
@RuikkaaPrus@lemmy.ml avatar

JavaScript is crazy. While you are learning React.js or Vue.js you are learning Webpack, Rollup or Vite.js even without your consent :skull:

ebc ,

C is crazy. While you are learning it you are learning Make and gcc without your consent.

Java is crazy. While you are learning Spring you are learning Maven or Gradle even without your consent.

NuclearDolphin ,

All of these bring me a sense of dread, each in a unique way.

Java I have a special loathing for, but the ecosystem isn’t too wild, just verbose and so XML heavy.

JS is its own hell because of the sheer number of permutations of technologies a given project will use. There’s always at least one nonstandard framework or tool lingering around from an old trend.

Python reimplemented the same dep management wheels 5x each, and I have no idea what common stacks look like anymore, but every time I encounter Python projects, something is always broken.

C is nice and easy from what I’ve used (just GCC & make), but idk what complexity arises in bigger projects.

Just so glad I’m not a webdev anymore and work with mostly just Rust, cargo, and containers.

ebc ,

Honestly I think the main thing that the JS ecosystem does well is dependency / package management (npm). The standard library is very small so everything has to be added as a dependency in package.json, but it mostly works without any of the issues you often see in other languages.

Yeah, it’s not perfect, but it’s better than anything else I’ve tried:

  • Python’s approach is pretty terrible (pip, easy_install, etc.) and global vs local packages
  • Ruby has its own hell with bundler and where stuff goes
  • PHP has had a few phases like python (composer and whatnot) and left everyone confused
  • Java needs things somewhere in its $PATH but it’s never clear where (altough it’s better with Gradle and Maven)
  • C needs root access because the only form of dependency management is apt-get

In contrast, NPM is pretty simple: it creates a node_modules and puts everything there. No conflicts because project A uses left-pad 1.5 and project B uses left-pad 2.1. They can both have their own versions, thank you very much.

The only people who managed to mess this up are Linux distributions, who insist on putting things in folders owned by root.

qqq , (edited )

You can use ~/.local/lib and LD_LIBRARY_PATH for shared libs.

Or better yet just give in and use the nix package manager, it is basically a virtual environment for your C programs.

MajorHavoc ,

Python reimplemented the same dep management wheels 5x each, and I have no idea what common stacks look like anymore, but every time I encounter Python projects, something is always broken.

We need just one more complete re-engineering of the packaging standard. We promise to get it right, this time. No take-backs.

herrvogel ,

C dependency management is the worst. I thoroughly dislike how it works over there.

KingThrillgore ,
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What dependency management lol

herrvogel ,

Pretending that the distro package manager is a suitable tool is not enough? Kids these days smh

NuclearDolphin ,

Also missing SASS/SCSS/Tailwind, bootstrap, and Babel

KingThrillgore ,
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I like Tailwind. It makes me not write CSS or any preprocessor DSL. It’s nice.

redcalcium ,

Preact is actually usable without build tools. It can be loaded like the good ol’ jQuery in modern browsers.

grrgyle ,

Good ol’ jQuery - never thought I’d hear that

KingThrillgore ,
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PHP is crazy. While you are learning Laravel or Drupal you are learning the deep seated desire to shoot yourself over the lack of consistent use of type hinting, regardless of consent. :skull:

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