Anyone aware if they are also getting data from their slack for government offering? I was looking at the govslack site and I can’t tell one way or the other. While they claim to meet most of the big compliance regs I don’t see anything about training AI being included/excluded.
I know that stealing trade secrets is a concern but seems like stealing state secrets might have some other implications. I know you’re not supposed to talk on slack about any classified info, but that doesn’t mean that sensitive info isn’t shared which also has some rather profound implications as well.
There is a neofetch alternative that specializes in pride flags. Someone submitted a PR to add the “straight pride” flag, and it was rejected on the basis that it wasn’t a “marginalized community”.
I think it’s okay for a queer app to focus on queer shit and not associate with a label which is overwhelmingly used to virtue signal being a bigot, that’s not really an attack on equality.
I would also reject such a pull request. Straight folks aren’t systematically shamed for being straight. They don’t need pride to counter nonexistent shame.
There's a safe bet that if you've put something on the internet, it's been scraped by a bot by now for training. I don't like that, for the record, just saying I'm not surprised at this point. Companies are morally bankrupt
I don’t know why everyone is all shocked all of a sudden, there have been various scraper bots collecting text info for…many years now, LONG before LLMs came onto the scene.
I agree, but it’s one thing if I post to public places like Lemmy or Reddit and it gets scraped.
It’s another thing if my private DMs or private channels are being scraped and put into a database that will most likely get outsourced for prepping the data for training.
Not only that, but the trained model will have internal knowledge of things that are sure to give anxiety to any cyber security experts. If users know how to manipulate the AI model, they could cause the model to divulge some of that information.
At this point, you should be able to ask, if you missed something important in the last few years. Is there any open conversation waiting for a reply somewhere?
Edit: if they use our data, they should at least give us some useful tools, in order for us to be able to see what personal information is out there …
At this point, you should be able to ask, if you missed something important in the last few years. Is there any open conversation waiting for a reply somewhere?
Not sure if you’ve ever used Copilot (I have it at work) and it offers the ability to summarize conversations and tell you what you’ve missed. I’ve used that a lot for high chatter conversations when I don’t feel like catching up or I’ve been out. Pretty nice.
The more they push to train AI on our shitpostings on social networks, the more I'm certain we're fucking doomed if their AI ever reaches consciousness.
We may very well be doomed if AI reaches consciousness but I’m not quite convinced LLM’s is the way to get there but even if it was and it was solely trained on social media content I still wouldn’t expect it to adopt the behaviour of your typical social media commentor. The toxic behaviour on social media is, in my view, almost solely driven by our human ego and pettiness. It’s not obvious to me that AI would care about things like winning arguments or coming up with snide remarks and such. What I see as the most likely outcome would be endlessly patient and quite autistic-like being that’s balanced in it’s views and would most likely be pretty difficult to argue against. I doubt humans are anywhere even near the far-end of the intelligence spectrum and something with the information processing capability that’s orders of magnitude greater than ours would more than likely not get caught up in stuff like confirmation bias, partisan thinking, motivated reasoning, being tossed around by emotions, cognitive dissonance etc. Those are by definitions human features.
First all companies were afraid of giving access to these models, for trade secret issues and security. But then they basically all met at the white house to agree that they would make way more fucking money stealing it than they would pay in restitution or damages to people and small businesses.
Suddenly everybody had a chatbot and generated art ready for commercial sale. They also had to make the shift quickly enough before official laws and protections (mostly from the EU) came in.
Now AI is plateauing a bit so they must hurry to get valuated at 10 trillion dollars and get their energy needs subsidized and have taxpayers invest into the nation’s energy requirements on their behalf.
I doubt that most corporations would even consider allowing Slack as a trusted app if they weren’t hosting their own instances themselves.
I have to assume that this training is exclusively on instances hosted on Slacks’ servers. So probably lots of smaller businesses that don’t know any better. And this was probably agreed to in the ToS as part of utilizing free and easy to set up cloud servers.
Ahh, looked at it and you’re right. They have an “Enterprise” version which seems like it’s security conscious.
Still, I stand by my original assertion. I have worked for FAANG companies with completely locked down security that allowed us to use Slack. I would be extremely surprised if their contract with Slack didn’t ensure complete data privacy.
We’re talking about companies where a product leak makes international news. There is zero chance Slack employees have access to communications.
Sounds like a lot of this is for non-generative AI. It’s for dumb things like that frequently used emoji feature.
Knowing how my legal teams have worked in my tech companies, I’m a bet that a lawyer updated the terms language to be in compliance with privacy legislation, but they did a shit job, and didn’t clarify what specifically was being covered in the TOS. They were lazy, and crafted something broad, so they wouldn’t have to actually talk to product or marketing people in their org.
The way the users of that slur is used… yeah it does come off as a slur. As if, “cis-gender” (lol) is a degrading label. You can call me a cis-gender… you might get a laugh out of me but that’s about it.
You can call me a cis-gender… you might get a laugh out of me but that’s about it.
Because nobody has seriously threatened your life for being cisgender, nobody has harassed you in a coordinated fashion because you are cisgender, cisgender is just a term that can be applied to you that doesn’t really affect you either way.
Words that are slurs are the record of violence and suffering inscribed into letters, you can’t treat those words the same and the fact that Musk is doing this is pathetic as fuck.
plenty of people get harassed, abused, and threatened for being cisgendered. you’re a nut if you think being trans has some sort exclusivity on gender violence. both cis men and women have been threatened and labeled as threats due to their gendered conformity. being in a minority doesn’t mean you get a monopoly on being treated like shit.
and when you hang out around trans communities, they very much do actively use the term as a slur, even against each other.
being in a minority doesn’t mean you get a monopoly on being treated like shit.
True but being in a significant majority however does mean you get a monopoly on being able to wield actual societal and structural power (whether it be through family relationships, social relationships, the workplace, healthcare services and any number of other contexts) to hurt groups of people. Being part of the majority, at any point you can divest from the social contract and just look over at somebody who is almost exactly the same as you and say “well, we know which side we are on wink”. Having agency over when you and your group honors the social contract and basic rules of communities (i.e. you don’t show up to peaceful protests to beat the shit out of peaceful protestors, run them over or shoot them with an assault rifle) means that any point violence can be deemed acceptable by your group for a unilateral aim that ignores the rest of society. This Happens All Of The Damn Time. Cops do this with rightwing bigot constantly, shitty people of all types do this.
I mean the rest of us don’t mind, it’s like game of thrones it’s so hard to keep track of all the characters so when people just put it out there and literally sign their posts, I mean shrug fair.
Hate is a bad flavor of ice cream but like, yeah by all means if people want to tear their mask off, throw the dog whistle away, please it helps the rest of us realize who the hateful clowns are with dysfunctional capacities to apply empathy or even basic humanity to entire categories of people. Honestly it makes these conversations soooooo much easier and faster when the hateful authoritarian people just actually self label themselves as such.
To all the cisgender sad lonely people out there who would never hurt a soul, transgender or otherwise, I see you and I love you but shut the fuck up you aren’t being hunted down by threatening white men in pickup trucks who are drunk and are all friends with the sheriff so if they get violent with you for being a queer I mean the sheriff is gonna understand the boys getting rowdy right? So what they tied you up and raped you and drove away leaving your body as a crime scene.
That is the difference. Y’all are talking about feelings, queer people are talking about their fucking lives and we better damn well listen because we are next into the meat grinder.
no, but i have seen people asked to give up their position so a ‘more worthy’ trans person could take their place… mostly for the ‘optics’ of being ‘diverse’. most often old white men, because they are ‘bad’ and trans people are ‘good’.
a lot in community groups in social/leftist leanings. the obsession with trans tokenism about rich white liberals is def a thing, esp when you can request a old white man and replace them with a young trans person so that your org/group is ‘with it’. i’ve seen this happen multiple times.
and in a few instance sadly, the person who replaced was great and knowledgeable, and the trans person who replaced them was an unhinged jerk who ended up quitting or being asked to leave after introducing an inordinate amount of drama into the group.
Where I live, I can be legally denied a job, housing, or medical care. If the cops wanted to, they’ve retroactively invalidated changed drivers licenses, so they could probably just arrest me for driving. I couldn’t access any form of domestic violence resource when escaping my marriage.
Some trans people are crazy assholes - just as some cis people are crazy assholes. But there is no system level oppression of cis people. Drama is annoying, but drama doesn’t mean you don’t get to eat.
You believe that cis is a slur because that’s how you use the word trans.
These people are so fragile. If you dare remind them that they’re cisgender, that they’re straight, that they’re white, that they’re able-bodied, they take it personally because to them, they’re just normal.
All of the sudden, they have to think about their place in society and it absolutely terrifies them. They are like rich people when you tell them that they’re rich. They will do this whole fucking song and dance to try and tell you about how they are not that rich and how the government taxes them and everything and how they’re just like you and so on.
They are not white, they are not cis, they are not straight, they are not able-bodied, no, they are just normal. It’s everyone else that is different. It’s them who are black, who are gay, who are trans, who are disabled. They’re different.
But my guy, you are not. You are as much a part of the society as I am. And you’re getting just a small taste of what it’s like to be a minority in said society. Someone reminded you of what you are for just a second. Now, imagine being constantly brought back to what you are and not who you are. What that would be like.
People like Elon Musk take offense to being called straight, white, cis or able-bodied because everything else is inferior to them.
On a side note: Someone should remind him of what the Nazis did to disabled people. Because the dude is clearly getting cozy with a lot of them, but I don’t think being this level of clinically stupid is going to get him far in the Fourth Reich. Besides, those South African origins… erh, that may get him in trouble. And having a trans daughter? Woof, doesn’t sound like “good genes” to me. Elon, you may want to pick better friends.
Ok, I’m going to be completely honest with you. I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.
Are you telling me that I made a shit comment? If so, please do say so because I’m gonna be honest: I am not sure about this comment and I’ve been thinking about deleting it ever since I posted it. I rewrote it like five or six times before until I finally got fed up with it and said “fuck it” and posted it. :|
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So, according to all of you, I worry too much. Thanks a lot for the support, and I’m glad you liked my comment. ❤️
Because obviously all compliments are actually just insults in disguise! /s
I put /s, but like, that’s often my first assumption. IME, often compliments have been mostly been intentionally a back-handed insult, are putting themselves down in the process, or they’re trying to give a genuine compliment but its about something I dislike about myself and therefore feels insulting despite the intentions.
They are being genuine. It is a terrific analysis. You are exactly right; in their minds, they are “normal”, and anyone implying any sort of equal status between them and the “abnormals” pisses them off.
Plume - I was being totally serious. I really think your comment hit home for me and I appreciate how you framed your points.
Also - please don’t let internet comments from strangers linger rent free in your head. Too much awesomeness out in the world to let randoms’ comments bring you down.
they take it personally because to them, they’re just normal.
Maybe they (including myself) might take it personally because to them you ARE normal. Regardless of your gender, skin colour or sexual orientation.
So, if I’m treating everyone the same, why is it wrong to ask for other people to do it as well? For example, if I’m trying to talk about a certain topic and your opinion is discarded simply because “you’re cis” then yeah, I have every right to be offended. Just because I’m white and a man it doesn’t mean that I’m necessarily part of the problem.
And no, I wouldn’t presume to know how if feels to be part of a minority that has to face constant violence and discrimination but that’s precisely why I want to have the conversation, I want to better understand what other people are going through. Although, that doesn’t mean that I will (or should) agree with everything the other person says. Being part of a minority doesn’t magically make you right about everything. Just like I might be biased due to my personal context, you can be biased because of yours.
I’m afraid you are putting a lot of words into my mouth and making lots of assomptions about what I’m saying here. I don’t really know how to answer to this because, well, you’re debating against things I didn’t say.
I’m calling you cis, because it’s simply a descriptive term. You are white, you are a man, you are cisgender. That’s not a problem. I’m white, I’m a woman, I’m transgender. That’s not a problem. These, on their own, are simply descriptors. No one here is saying that you’re a problem. I’m talking about people who specifically take offense to these terms, like Musk here does, like, if you tell this man that he is “cis”, he will genuienly get upset.
You misunderstood my point. Context is important and, in this case, the context is using these terms in a platform for discussion (which are usually not very friendly). In my comment, I was thinking of why calling someone “cis” or “trans” or any other thing in a conversation can often be to insult or discredit the other person and why that’s wrong.
not understanding your point is the point. you are not human. you are the evil majority who can’t ever experience bad things… and if you do… you deserve it.
the irony of so many oppressed people is that they dont’ want freedom from oppression, they want to oppress. they want revenge not harmony.
and no better way to tell it when you express yourself politely and they ATTACK you for doing so and are unable to admit that trans folks can also be oppressors of each other and other people. oppression doesn’t make you a saint.
By “post” do you mean the comment I replied to or the actual OP? Because I believe that the intent behind classifying “cis” as an insult is more aligned with my interpretation.
If using the word “cisgender” is a ban-worthy offense, it’s not being considered “a word that can sometimes be insulting”, it’s being considered “a word that is inherently harmful to use in almost any situation”
I don’t think that terms that can get you banned would do so in any context. You’d have to use it and then someone else would have to report you. Might be wrong though.
I have never been excluded from truth seeking conversations because I am cis. Everyone likes an ally. Some people actually like them a little too much in my experience.
If you are in a queer safe space you should treat it like you are at your in-laws house. You don’t need to be expressing every diverging opinion or challenging every cultural assumption. In my experience, if you are being met with hostility, it’s because you are projecting it.
I have never been excluded from truth seeking conversations because I am cis.
Congrats. Unfortunately, it has not been my experience.
if you are being met with hostility, it’s because you are projecting it.
I honestly don’t think I am but it is something that I could ask if it happens again.
In my past experiences where my questions or disagreements, etc have been met with hostility, the reason seems to be that if I don’t 100% agree with what the other person is saying, it’s simply because I’m a straight white man and don’t know any better. Which, as you may guess, doesn’t lead to a very productive discussion.
that’s because of purists and nutjobs any disagreement whatsoever is hostile to them. the notion of civil disagreement, or just polite disagreement is met with violence, because tehy are passive aggressive nut jobs. they don’t want you to be an ally, they dont’ want to work with you to improve things, they want to you submit to their crazy.
just like if you go into your in laws, they ask you for a cup of tea, and you know they serve shitty tea, so you decline it politely, and they go ‘oh so what is our tea not good enough for you?’
i keep trying to be on the side of these people, but they keep telling me i’m a shit person because of my skin color, my gentials, my education, etc. and ironically… most of these people are WAY more privileged than will ever be. I’m so sick of trans/feminist peopel telling me off that i’m a POS who got all the advantages in life… while they often got free-rides on the life train due to parental wealth and exploiting other people where as i had to struggle to get into college and pay off my debts and didn’t get a tsate of this so called of ‘privileged’ until iwas well into my 30s. all the while being constantly harassed for not being a ‘real man’ and also ‘being a man’. all i ever wanted was to be left alone to do my own thing… but no. the second i want ot empathize about being beating for my non-gender conformity, i’m told to STFU and that I’m ‘stealing’ or whatever, because apparently my expereince of my gendered life and gender violence doesn’t exist or is all lies and falsehoods because i’m not trans, or a woman. and oh by the way, if it did really happen… i clearly deserved it because of the debt i own gender minorities or something.
like… ok i won’t be on your side anymore then. i’ll just leave you to your own bitterness and focus on folks who treat me well who aren’t pathologically violent against anyone who is different than them and who take offense at every perceived slight.
Because they are normal. If most of the species is the same in these aspects, it’s normal. But you know, we can also simply switch what word we use, and instead of normal use…common or average. So, they are average. :p
Wow that’s unbelievable. As in I literally don’t believe it. So I tested it by posting various sentences containing these words and other known slurs to compare, and found it didn’t work.
Maybe this is some American thing I’m not Free enough to experience in my corner of the world, or it doesn’t do this on android or the browser site. (The tech crunch screenshot looks like something else, probably iOS)
It hard to say because no one is even a little bit curious enough to test it. Idk how this thread contains anything else but people testing it, because it’s so damn unbelievable. Why is no one testing this themselves? Why are you not testing it yourself?
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