I know my bar has dropped a lot, but he spoke for an hour and fielded questions. He was pretty damn coherent, and knew what the fuck he was talking about defending his foreign policy decisions, etc. it kinda sucks all of that is boiled down to he said the wrong name.
I want him to step aside for another candidate. His “bad debate night” was scary as fuck. But this article is ridiculous.
he spoke confidently on a range of complex issues from the tax code and trade policy to Russia and the Israel-Hamas war.
I feel like people who said he had a good conference are either
back to covering for him or
have been caught in the “boiling frog” of Biden’s long decline that they have a warped sense of what people expect from their president.
I watched maybe half of it. It was painful. He was mumbly. He misspoke. He lost his train of thought. His expressions and body language were stiff and unnatural. Occasionally he remembered some talking points and was able to regurgitate them without messing up too badly.
If the guy we saw last night was my waiter at a restaurant I would assume my food was going to arrive late, cold, and not be at all what I ordered.
Well the headline isn’t factually wrong, and no, 99% of any one actually watched the debate.
The headline was possible because of Biden. And honestly, this wasn’t even his worst mistake of the press conference.
That god-awful final answer… It was basically him saying he’s too arrogant to step down in time for us to get a candidate into place that can win. He’s losing in the polling now and refuses to acknowledge it.
I had him slightly in the W column prior to that final answer. He went back into the L column with that final answer.
Yes. You are very popular in a country which has become a global pariah and is why you have effectively lost support entirely with any one under the age of 30.
It’s almost like he’s torpedoing his campaign on purpose. Optics wouldn’t be as important if the US had mandatory voting, meaning even alienated voters would either vote Biden or Third Party more often than the Trump crowd, but he’s killing voter interest in general.
I mean, I want to take you seriously, but at the same time, I have a hard time believing that any one is this naive.
Its not, nor has it ever been, a binary choice. You may be broken internally an incapable of seeing as anything otherwise, but its not that way for most people.
This election is, and always has been, between Biden and the couch. There is no new information that we can learn about Trump that will stop his voters from voting for him.
No “Likely Biden” voter is ever going to vote for Trump. No Trump voter will ever vote for Biden. This dye was cast in 2015.
Biden needs to drive votership and most of what he’s done in his campaign so far has been to drive votership away from him.
Biden needs to secure leftwing voting blocks like the youth vote. Its the youth vote that put him into office in 2020, along with black women in GA.
Instead, he has pushed the youth vote away with his straight up genocidal policies on Gaza, and fascist policies on free speech on college campuses.
From what I know about the USA’s system it is binary - while you technically have more than two candidates it’ll be one of the major two (republican or democrat) who’ll win. So not voting or voting for a third party (which has no chance of getting elected(?)) means you don’t change anything, and if Trump wins without those blocks then that means you’re indirectly supporting him, simply by not opposing him with the only realistic option you have.
Thank you for asking, I personally love Chase Oliver votechaseoliver.com on the ballot in all 50, the establishment wants you to think its a waste while they support Brain Worm RFK who is only on 18 state’s ballots and say debates should only be Trump and Biden for clarity 🙄. Sir if they already silence us, why would you help them? And why would they even see the need to silence us as a plus?
The final answer had me screaming… “What?!? No one is telling you that it isn’t likely you’ll beat Trump?” He’s like… Well, if the polls show me in the negative… Someone needs to show him the polls.
Which is like, emblematic of THE ENTIRE FUCKING PROBLEM WITH BOTH BIDEN AND ALL DEMOCRATS!!!
A complete and utter detachment from reality. Like, JOE. You are fucking losing this election for everyone. And the fact that he doesn’t know or acknowledge it…
On the flip side I got ten emails from Democrats yesterday telling me that our entire country stands on a precipice and the whole thing pretty much rides on me making a donation.
So you know, they’re showing some urgency on that side of it.
Ah yes, he actually thought that they are the same people and that Trump has actually been his VP. Yep. That. It’s not a slip of the tongue, nope, it’s advanced dementia. /s
Yes, it was embarrassing. As soon as he said it I literally winced in pain. It was bad.
But. And of course there’s a but. He even addressed later in the conference that him misspeaking should not over shadow the results he’s getting. And he’s getting results.
Man has stated he’s had speech problems loong before he ran for president. Like, still a kid in school stuttering times. He sucks with names. That’s an unfortunate fact. But why does that trump (pun intended) everything else?
Because it’s clearly more than a fucking speech impediment or random words he misspoke a few times. People have eyes. No amount of spin is going to change the reality that he’s an elderly man whose brain is slowly fucking degenerating in real time in front of our eyes.
He was right about jobs going up. He was right about strengthening NATO. He was correct about the Border being more secure. He said he wants to fight greedy corporations and scummy land lords. How is all that over looked?
Use you’re eyes to see what he’s actually saying. There was 3 or 4 gaffs after a day of talking to other world leaders on major world events. His actions speak louder than words
Is he perfect, no. Absolutely not. Still better than not only the other guy but any other alternative placed in front of us.
Absolutely agreed that he’s miles better than the alternative, and if forced to vote for him I will, but it’s not a good look for a party that markets itself as a sensible alternative to the dumpster fire that is the Republican party.
The man is clearly too old for the job and no amount of shining up the turd will make it anything other than a turd. Sure people will hold their nose and vote for it, but at the end of this whole thing, either way we’re all covered in shit. And the thing is, it doesn’t have to be that way.
If the party wanted someone diffrent they should have got someone else during the primaries. We all knew he was too old the first time. But, shockingly, he’s done a pretty alright job.
But there was still the chance to pass the torch earlier and it passed. If we fold now we old give into pressure by the Republicans. He’s doing a solid enough job. Replacing him now causes discourse withing the party and fuel their parties chants of how bad we are.
We know they already think he’s incompetent. Nothing will change that. They said he was old from the beginning. We know he’s old too. But he’s doing good.
Dude, there wasn’t any other option in the primaries. No one else was running. Seriously running against an incumbent in your own party is basically political suicide.
Palmer was the closest and I didn’t even know his name until after our primary. It was only a good move for him because he was already an outsider who just wanted some publicity.
Basically, you either voted for Biden because iTs ThE rIgHt ThInG tO dO, or because He’S tHe iNcUmBeNt…
…or you desperately, nihilistically voted uncommitted.
Nobody ran in the primaries is what I was saying, so don’t throw that point back in my face, bro.
Nobody ran, although literally everyone was already aware how old he was. He already was stuttering and making slight mistake. What happened at he debate wasn’t news to anyone. But had someone stood up then an took the chance we could have rallied then. But they didn’t. Because although he made a couple mistakes his actions spoke for themselves.
Nobody seriously is trying to take his position now either. Because it’s dumb. It’s just a bunch of rich fucks and loud mouths screaming like it’s gunna make it better.
Also, at this point, I did vote for Biden because of everything he’s gotten done. I’ve been bashing him the whole time but I’ll admit he’s gotten shit done.
So we’re supposed to have faith and confidence in anyone who was too afraid to take on an old man in the primary? If someone really wanted change they would have ran against him damn the consequences
Look. I love Bernie. I honestly wish he was in charge, things would be a million times better. He was popular online. And with peolle we would mainly talk to
Unfortunately that’s not most voters. And replacing Biden with someone he’s already beat shows no strength, especially when you’re replacing him because he’s old and the replacement is almost as old.
I would love to feel the Bern but that’s not possible now :(
I grew up with a stutter. I still have it if I don’t watch the pace of my speech. My uncle is the same way, but a more severe case. This is not someone with a stutter:
You sent a highlight of him talking in the past and want to compare it to him talking now like it’s a fair fight?
Look. We know he’s old. Nobody is arguing against that. Is his stuttering worse now with his age, yes. Unfortunately. But his gaffs while speaking are not going to distract me too much from what he’s actually doing
My point is that you can’t conceal his obvious senility by calling it a stutter. Yes, Trump needs to be prevented from gaining power, and were Biden to win a second term, the next four years would be better for the universe than if Trump were to win.
Regardless, it is looking exceedingly unlikely that Biden will be President on Jan 21, 2025, so he should step aside for someone who has a realistic prayer of actually being President on January 21.
Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession
Job creation 40 times rate of last 3 republican presidents - More than double Clinton and Obama
Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16%
$1 Billion to replace the Blatnik Bridge connecting WI - MN
$600 million to replace the I-5 Bridge between Vancouver, Washington, and Portland, Oregon, with an earthquake-resistant, multimodal bridge.
$427 million to establish the first offshore wind terminal on the West Coast, off California.
$372 million to replace Cape Cod’s nearly 90-year-old Sagamore Bridge.
$300 million for a new container terminal for the Port of New Orleans.
$95 million to widen a 10-mile section of I-10 through the Gila River in Arizona.
$142 million to fix the I-376 corridor in Pittsburgh, including an area infamously known as “the bathtub” due to its regular flooding.
$150 million to reconnect communities divided by the Cross Bronx Expressway in New York built in the mid-1900s.
Modernizes American port infrastructure
$3B investment for high speed internet for rural communities
$623 million to build EV charging network
Awards nearly $163 billion in federal contracts to small businesses
$426 million for Northern California offshore wind farm
Post-pandemics recovery is by far the most successful in the world
US oil production hits all-time high
Rescinds Trump-era “Denial of Care” rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief
Launches $11 billion on semiconductor-related research and development including $5 billion National Semiconductor Technology Center
US Trade Deficit With China Narrows to Lowest Since 2010
$250 million to modernize airports in 37 states
$4.4 million to upgrade Maine’s power grid
Violent crime drop significantly since 2020
$5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure
Round 15 of student loan forgiveness: $1.2 billion of federal student loans
Orders cybersecurity regulations for port operators similar to standardized safety regulations preventing injury and damage to people and infrastructure
$500 million to combat wildfire and improve resilience
$1 billion deal with Oregon, Washington, and 4 Columbia River tribes to revive Northwest salmon population
$1.7 billion package to fund initiatives aimed at ending hunger across the United States by 2030
$1 billion toward cleaning up 110 contaminated sites
$28 billion towards substance abuse treatment
$366 million to accelerate clean energy deployment in rural and remote areas
Implemented new rule that cuts credit card late fees $32 to $8
Allows student loan borrowers to repay based on income providing affordable payments and eventual student loan forgiveness
Directs DOJ to issue regulations giving clear protections of sensitive data from access by countries of concern
Bans asbestos
Funds program to fund coast-to-coast bicycle path without hitting a road
Commits $6B to cut emissions from high-carbon industries
Lends $1.5B to restart Michigan nuclear power plant
Allocates $750 million for hydrogen research and development
Restores threatened species protections dropped by Trump
Blocks mining on more than 221,000 acres of federal land in Colorado
First National standard ever for reducing harmful chemicals in drinking water
“Last resort” program keeps tens of thousands of American veterans who were in danger of losing their homes
America’s economy growing at double the rate of all other G7 countries
Adds Title IX protections for LGBT students, forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity
Shields millions of acres of Alaskan wilderness from drilling and mining
$7 billion in federal grants for residential solar projects serving 900,000-plus households
Extends rule requiring overtime pay to workers making under $58,000 annually
Requires airlines to give cash refunds for canceled and significantly delayed flights
Establishes standards to eliminate emissions from new federal buildings by 2030
Lays out conditions for national goal to cut emissions from freight shipping down to zero
Bans most noncompete employment agreements preventing workers from joining competing businesses or launching ones of their own
Reinstates net neutrality
Prohibits federally funded health providers & insurers from discriminating on basis of sexual orientation and gender identity
Canadian Solar, one of the largest solar manufacturing companies in the world coming back to the US, thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act
Round 16 of student debt forgiveness: Clears $6 billion in debt for closed art school’s students
In 2021 only three states supplied 12 months of post partum care - Three years later 46 states now do
Online platforms and social media companies required to report child sex trafficking and online enticement to NCMEC’s tip line
Bans Russian uranium imports
$16 billion investments in Historically Black Colleges and Universities
Round 17 of student debt forgiveness: $7.7 billion for over 160,000 borrowers
Free online tax filing program piloted this year made permanent and scope will be expanded
Executive action ordering the closure of border cutting asylum claims in half (according to FOX News)
Prohibits medical debt from being reported on credit reports
Pardons US Service Members convicted because they were gay
Enacts plan to end Parkinson’s disease
Codifies same-sex and interracial marriage
Bolsters nation’s nuclear power by speeding timeline for licensing new nuclear reactors and cut fees that companies have to pay to do so
That’s just the past year. Want me to find more for you? Or maybe you can do more research past “he’s old!!!1!”
A recession typically follows after interest rates come down (interest rate cuts are a leading indicator of a recession because the Fed is usually too slow to cut).
Executive action ordering the closure of border cutting asylum claims in half (according to FOX News)
Aren’t these generally seen as bad things, though?
I’ll also say a lot of this list is basically just routine infrastructure maintenance funding, which was arguably necessary, but I would much rather see a combating of the more institutional problems that led to this infrastructure being in such a state of disrepair in the first place. Expanding a highway, for example, not really something I would say is a great accomplishment. The economic citations are things that I find kind of suspicious more generally, because I’m familiar with the amount of laundering economists can accomplish when they really put their pussy into it. Post-pandemic recovery, for example, I can think of a couple ways to spin that, most of them involve us having taken a very large hit from the pandemic compared to other countries because we had a shit ass pandemic response relative to other countries. Violent crime dropping from 2020 is gonna be a fuckin no brainer, for example, like obviously that’s gonna be the case, I don’t think you can really attribute that to a biden presidency.
Eliminate the padding in this list and back up what appear to be the stronger points and it would be more serious. As it stands, this is more just kind of a gish gallop. You’re just popping a bigass list with no citations and then that’s gonna look more credible while your opposition can’t do much in the face of it without looking like they’re nitpicking or denying reality, even though you don’t have any citations. It might be cynical, but I’ve been on the internet before, so I bet if I push back at all, you’re just gonna tell me to look into it further myself, and that it’s not your job to educate me even though you’re the one who has the burden of proof for making these claims, like how tankies tell me to read theory whenever I ask them questions about books they’ve supposedly read biblically and know so well.
In any case, a lot of these aren’t really fighting against the idea that the democrats just end up as a controlled opposition band-aid which barely does anything before fascism creeps back in and fucks something else up in our shitty pendulum system. It’s not really fighting against that claim, which I would say is the core nihilistic, apathetic claim that has to be disputed before people can be convinced that their vote will do something.
I agree, and I was gunna start giving facts on stuff, but after tonight I’m just gunna get super drunk haha
But I will say the dude I responded to was acting like Biden has done nothing so I loaded the lost just to make it look better. Bit also that was only this year. If you really want me to I’ll make a better list of just the highlights with sources
Thinkin about the Le Guin line about how every ruling class, every ruling ideology, has been destined to completely and utterly humiliate itself before it dies
To call Zelenskyy “President Putin” at that critical moment was offensive and totally unacceptable.
Calling Kamala “Vice President Trump” is kind of hilarious though.
Both of these together paint a troubling picture. Why is Biden confusing people who are supposed to be his closest allies with those who are considered to be his bitter rivals? This was supposed to be his big press conference where he proves he’s still mentally fit to be president, and he totally blew it. Somebody get him outta there, Biden isn’t fit to be president and the sooner we can admit that and move on the better it will be for this country. The gaslighting in full denial of this is incredibly dangerous, and likely driven by whoever it is that’s actually in charge and wants to stay that way (all signs point to Jill Biden, who last I checked was not elected president.)
Apparently Biden has not had a full cabinet meeting since last year. These are the people who can invoke 25th amendment on him, and it’s looking extremely suspicious all of a sudden that he’s been avoiding them, and for such an insanely long period of time too!
For those of us who have had to support an elder family member through times of mental decline, the condition is extremely apparent now, and the administration can no longer hide it. Elders often resist or get angry when confronted about necessary changes, but it’s for their own good. In this case, it’s also so we can ward off a fascist takeover of the US. Come on dem leadership, it’s time to actually be the adults in the room and handle this.
I just don’t understand the pro-Democrat party crowd’s strategy. Why do they insist on keeping Biden as the Democrat candidate when that clown keeps nuking it’s own odds of winning more and more everyday with his stupid shenanigans? If the peoples who keep berating everyone to vote for Biden see Trump as some sort of ultimate threat, why do they insist on using a candidate that even they admit is hated by most of his own voter base against Trump? That sound like a terrible strategy to me. Shouldn’t they be mad at the Democrat party for taking such risk by insisting on a candidate so widely despised? Why don’t they call for a candidate that is actually likely to beat Trump? Why do they keep berating the folks who have made it clear that they won’t be voting for Biden under any circumstances when the over 60% of the Americans who don’t participate in politics are right there?
I see Trump as an ultimate threat to all sorts of things, and I DON’T insist on Biden at all. I’ll vote for a chimpanzee if it’s not Trump.
I honestly feel like not casting a real vote against Trump is voting for our future to be Handmaids Tale and patting yourself on the back for not supporting evil, when for all practical purposes you just did. It’s an abdication of civic responsibility in the name of nebulous principals that will have no effect on the future of the world and no chance of playing a real role in meaningful policy, but you do you.
The fact that the DNC and Democrats in general are a bunch of privileged, out of touch, self righteous assholes is NOT my fault. I hate it and I hate them. But there’s a lot at stake and many MORE people in this world will suffer, struggle and die under Trump than under Biden. It’s just math and all your ideology is VERY empty in the face of it.
Maybe not you specifically but I’ve seen a lot of peoples do.
many MORE people in this world will suffer, struggle and die under Trump than under Biden. It’s just math and all your ideology is VERY empty in the face of it.
See, I think this is where we disagree.
You operate under the assumption that the things that the Republicans want to do couldn’t happen under Biden, presumably because you think he would block Republican policies, but knowing what I know about Biden and his policies, his willingness to “reach across the aisles” and give concessions to the right, his tendency to passively letting Republican bills pass without doing anything about it even when he clearly have the power to, his failure/unwillingness to roll back Republican policies from Trump’s last term let alone the ones that he expanded instead, etc… I’m telling you honestly, I don’t believe that for 1 second.
I have not seen ANY evidences that Biden would act against Republican politics.
Heck I haven’t seen evidences that he wouldn’t do a complete 180 and start supporting Republican policies that he used to denounce, it wouldn’t even be the first time he does it.
In your arguments in favor of voting blue, you (the peoples who tell everyone to vote blue) always use this assumption that Biden couldn’t possibly be as bad as Trump as an axiom, as if it was just obvious, you never bother trying to show that it’s true, you never question it, I certainly haven’t ever seen any of you questioning it or trying to demonstrate it. You just treat it as some sort of fundamental truth to the point you don’t even seem to notice that you are using it sometimes.
I haven’t seen any reason to believe that this assumption is true, on the contrary.
When I look at the 2 last US presidential terms, I don’t see a bad president and a worst president, I see a bad president who tell you that he’s gonna to terrible shit and does exactly that and an other equally bad president that pinky promise he wont do terrible shit but then do terrible shit anyways and blames the other bad president for it when he get caught doing terrible shit.
I don't insist on biden but he won the primary and having the party just outright select the canidate is the type of things people complain about. I mean superdelegates and all. I do like biden and the four years we have had. not just versus trump but versus every president since reagan.
I don’t disagree at all. I’m all for replacing Biden if we can and shaking up DNC leadership if we can and getting rid of these milquetoast moderates wherever we can. The Democratic Establishment is their own worst enemy, either through maliciousness or incompetence (probably a mix of both across the spectrum of party leadership).
I’m just planning to vote for NOT Trump and encourage everyone else to do the same.
I believe I need to leverage my vote to stop Biden from being the nominee because he can’t win the general, and by pledging to vote blue-no-matter-who you are making it more likely Trump wins because he’ll have no trouble beating Biden.
They’re listening to voters freak out about Biden and they’re responding. It’s not too late.
Agreed. But we live in a failing democracy in which the religious / fascist revolutionary forces are better organized, better armed and better funded. So starting down that path is unwise.
Because Biden is the consensus candidate of party bosses: he’s pro-genocide, militarist to the core and will not upset the bipartisan consensus. If he drops out, someone actually decent might get nominated. You can’t have that.
One thing that I love from this thread…the number of conservative trolls. They are fucking terrified that Biden is going to win. So bad that they are pushing this absolute bullshit of doubt and worry about Biden.
Anyone that’s actually paying attention to Biden knows that the dude has been getting shit done even with a stalled congress. Any one that’s even remotely paying attention to the election is literally not going to elect a fascist, and people are absolutely starting to pay attention. Look at the Project 2025 bullshit. Look at how much people are starting to realize how fucking serious this is. Even Trump has desperately tried to distance himself from it, and can’t seem to keep dodging now that speeches and videos of him talking about it starting to surface.
Bidens okay. Democrats have backed him. He’s not dropping out.
I 100% agree. But which party is more likely to actually work towards a goal like that? Would Conservatives ever allow for ranked choice voting? People have every right to complain about Biden, but all it really does is make things easier for an orange fascist toget elected
If you think the only reason people would be against Biden running at this point is because they're secret Republican shills, I genuinely think you may need to spend more time offline.
Do I wish there was a better candidate running? Sure. But I’ll still be voting Biden no matter what. I’m also not going to spend my energy talking about how shit he is because all that does is help an actual fucking fascist pedophile into office. So not really sure what else your aim could be, cause if your a Democrat it’s a fucking stupid one.
Plenty of people are looking at the data, reaching the conclusion that Biden realistically can't beat Trump, and calling for an alternate strategy.
They'd say your aim was a fucking stupid one, because they see running Biden as a sure path to Trump, versus an admittedly unlikely but still possible hail-mary of running a different candidate.
My aim is to replace Biden with someone who can actually win. Bidens team is on the offensive trying to claim he’s got the best shot but that’s a load of hot garbage. I think you’d be surprised at how many people voted for anything not trump last time around. This time around his cognitive decline has become so blatantly obvious that by even defending it you destroy the democratic party’s credibility and as a result become Trumps real enabler. The election will be decided by a few swing states and a small number of undecided voters living in those states. Telling them they are wrong about what the see and hear from Biden is gaslighting plain and simple. If democrats want to differentiate themselves as the morally superior party then lying out of fear isn’t a good look. The situation is what it is. The best chance they have is to replace Biden as soon as possible. Every day that passes decreases the nominees chances. Also, I really hope they hold a primary vote because just telling voters they get Vice President Harris makes this feel less like a democracy and will definitely alienate enough voters to throw the whole election.
Final thought, as long as we have a two party system nothing will really get better. The best we can hope for is not worse. It’s very telling that so many democratic congress people are afraid to challenge the party. If an elected representative is afraid to act on their conscience then it’s obvious we don’t have a real democracy.
There’s probably more one can do but Biden is clearly struggling to think clearly. It’s kinda standard now but ancient Dems clinging to power instead of retiring.