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GenkiFeral , in Hezbollah Says Israel Dropping Leaflets with 'Very Dangerous' Barcodes in Lebanon

well, most you here on Lemmy are liberal and make fun of preppers/doomers, but I wonder if you are seeing the light a bit now.

deadbeef79000 , in Putin issues a nuclear warning to the West over Ukraine

Rattle that sabre harder.

alcoholicorn , in U.S. ‘Unimpressed’ With Ukraine’s Victory Plan Ahead of Biden-Zelensky Meeting

Does whether or not Ukraine can win affect the calculus for the Biden admin in any way? Politicians on both sides have described the war as a way of killing Russians without spending a single drop of American blood, and every bomb sent justifies/enables more campaign donations.

The only thing that would be problematic for them would be a quick victory or loss.

yogthos OP ,
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I imagine the dems understand that Ukraine can’t go on for much longer, but they just want it to hold out until the election is over.

AntiOutsideAktion ,
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It’s hard to imagine why. What is the constituency that’s going to be demotivated from voting against Trump if Ukraine sues for peace?

yogthos OP ,
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An Afghanistan style debacle before an election would be a pretty big blow for the dems.

UltraGiGaGigantic , in Putin issues a nuclear warning to the West over Ukraine

It’s Wednesday my comrades!

lemmyseizethemeans , in Exclusive: Iran brokering talks to send advanced Russian missiles to Yemen's Houthis, sources say

I mean, long range missiles to Ukraine and saying go ahead strike within Russia gonna send a pretty clear message

alcoholicorn , in U.S. ‘Unimpressed’ With Ukraine’s Victory Plan Ahead of Biden-Zelensky Meeting

I am blocked by WSJ for using an adblocker, do you have an archive link?

sun_is_ra ,

NEW YORK—The Biden administration is concerned that the Ukrainian leader’s plan for winning the war against Russia lacks a comprehensive strategy and is little more than a repackaged request for more weapons and the lifting of restrictions on long-range missiles, U.S. officials said.

For months, President Volodymyr Zelensky billed the plan as a framework to defeat Russia, and he is set to brief President Biden on the specifics Thursday during a high-profile White House meeting, the first time the Biden administration will get to hear the framework in its en

yogthos OP ,
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looks like wsj now blocks the archive too :(

zero_gravitas ,

Just put archive.is/ in front of the URL, e.g. archive.is/…/u-s-unimpressed-with-ukraines-victor…

Kualk , (edited ) in Putin issues a nuclear warning to the West over Ukraine

Russia tries to keep Poland, Baltic states and other unfriendly bordering nations from getting involved in any military action against Russia by making it clear that response will be nuclear.

The desire to involve other nations against Russia goes up with Ukraine slowly loosing war against Russia. Tactical encirclement of 72nd Ukrainian battalion in Ugledar is the most recent example of losses on Ukrainian side.

Change to Nuclear weapons doctrine tries to stop opening of 2nd war front against Russia. The most likely location would be border between Belorussia and Poland.

yogthos OP ,
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That’s my understanding as well, and hence why Putin explicitly mentioned an attack on Belarus in his statement.

tellah , in Putin issues a nuclear warning to the West over Ukraine

Right, so we all better just let the Russian regime take whatever it wants, such as Ukrainian territory, in this case. Or else they will use nuclear bombs. And it’ll be everyone else’s fault, because we didn’t want to let them take whatever they wanted.

Russia is totally the good guy here, and if we don’t let them do whatever they want, they’ll use nukes and we will deserve it.

Am I getting that right?

yogthos OP , (edited )
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You’re gonna feel so smug and righteous when you’re dying in the nuclear holocaust.

masterofn001 ,

If I die, he dies.

MAD spares no one.

yogthos OP ,
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That’s precisely the reason to avoid a nuclear holocaust instead of rushing into it. Anybody who has a death wish can just off themselves without involving the rest of humanity.

masterofn001 ,

I do not wish to die.

Putin, however, seems a good candidate for surprise defenestration operation.

yogthos OP ,
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Ok genius, who do you think would replace him exactly. Perhaps you’d rather see somebody like Medvedev in charge. Do you realize that Putin is considered a moderate in Russia and the main criticism of him at this point is that he’s not pursuing the war aggressively enough?

adespoton ,

That’s a good line to use on Putin.

Realistically, if Putin uses the nuclear codes, this is what happens:

A few warheads in Russia explode in their silos and the government blames the West. A bunch of other warheads are harmlessly shot down. A few actually find their targets and a few million people are wiped out. The west retaliates and suddenly the war is over.

BICS then becomes ascendant in global power, China claims Taiwan and the Philippines and possibly Japan, and Israel is wiped off the face of the earth as all sides turn it into a nuclear slag pile, killing Israelis, Palestinians and a large number of Lebanese and Syrians in the bargain.

Then things adjust to the new normal and economies rebuild, with the noted absence of Russia and Belarus.

yogthos OP ,
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I have to ask, do you genuinely not understand what a nuclear war between US and Russia would entail?

adespoton ,

I grew up in the cold war. I’ve done the drills. I know both what the fear of an all-out nuclear holocaust is, and I know that the reality will be something entirely different.

Did you not see what happened to Russia’s latest Satan II ICBM? Thankfully that one wasn’t armed.

yogthos OP ,
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No, you don’t know that the reality will be different. This is something that has never happened before, and only a certifiably insane person would try and downplay the horror of a nuclear war.

Did you not see what happened to Russia’s latest Satan II ICBM? Thankfully that one wasn’t armed.

Do you know how many missiles Russia has, even if a tenth of them go off we’re all fucked. And frankly, people who don’t care about dying can just kill themselves any time they want. What fucking right do you have to gamble with billions of lives of other people?

GenkiFeral ,

most westerners no longer live in reality. They make short poses for Facebook or Tiktok or Snapchat, they play video games for hours, they do anything to avoid researching both or all sides and to practice foresight, discipline, introspection. They numb themselves with constant convenience foods, porn, screentime of any sort, drugs, alcohol, etc. My hope for these warmongers are that they are forced to fight in the frontlines -even if they are female or 65 or have diabetes. Volunteering others to suffer isn’t “adulting”.

UltraGiGaGigantic , (edited )

Oh no, less monthly tributes to my landed lord! The bosses from my 3 part time jobs won’t be able to exploit me anymore! Damn, so much to live for…

Seriously, life just ain’t worth the squeeze of the shackles around my hands, feet and neck. Pull the trigger so I don’t have to.

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GenkiFeral ,

come see me and I’ll help you on your way to your permanent rest. better you than my loved ones or millions.

CrimeDad , in Putin issues a nuclear warning to the West over Ukraine

I wonder which country will be next to carry out a nuclear strike, Russia or Israel.

GenkiFeral ,

Iran is my guess. Putin loves Europe - including Germany. Putin loves his people and white people. He is forced into this predicament and takes no joy in it. Russia has vast resources that others want. They also have new ports, sea routes, and highways - great new trade routes that threaten to affect western income.

DemocratPostingSucks , in China Conducts First Public Test of DF-41 Intercontinental Ballistic Missile in Pacific Ocean

The 2020’s will be the decade of nuclear war

davel , in Putin issues a nuclear warning to the West over Ukraine
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Thirty years of shrugging off promises, agreements, and red lines is how we got to 90 seconds to midnight.

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wildncrazyguy138 ,

Is this a yearly average? I don’t think we’re closer to nuclear war than we were during the Cuban missile crisis.

I mean if the Russian leadership wants to die over a piece of land (because they don’t already have enough?), then sure by all means.

GenkiFeral ,

more than a piece of land - its about securing their borders. NATO is danged-near surrounding them.

Kualk , (edited )

That is a natural reaction of person that tracks only western MSM and doesn’t pay attention to gradual rise in western politician attitudes.

Russian nuclear doctrine change reflects changed attitude in western propaganda.

You must not be aware of the following developments. Poland is already primed to fight. Baltic states openly talk about preemptive strike on Russia. Western long range weapons are pretty much cleared to strike “old” Russian territory. Country on southern side of Russia is set to become 2nd Ukraine. NATO general claims that Russia will not use nukes under any circumstances and thus justifies any level of involvement.

In this environment expansion of nuclear deterrence is pretty much the only option from Russian point of view.

Please note that inside Russia there are calls to strike from Kiev to London due to crossed previously announced red lines. Someone was right here. Putin is moderate if not outright inactive.

So, reality is very close to getting out of control.

myself , in Putin issues a nuclear warning to the West over Ukraine

Again?

jmcs ,

Putin’s final warning. It’s like China’s final warning but less serious.

leisesprecher ,

Yes, but this time for realsies!

yogthos OP ,
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Are you claiming there was already a recent change to Russia’s nuclear doctrine, I’d be very interested to see a source.

zurohki ,

No, it’s the opposite - they’re saying that this isn’t a change in Russia’s behaviour.

yogthos OP ,
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I know what they’re saying, but you seem to have misunderstood what I said. To my knowledge this is the first change in Russia’s nuclear doctrine, so there’s no “again” here. This is a significant change in nuclear use policy, and it would be sheer idiocy to dismiss it lightly.

myself ,

Putin has been yapping about nuking the west if they cross whatever red line he made up that week for years.

yogthos OP ,
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[citation needed]

zurohki ,

Russia’s actual nuclear policy has been “fire nukes if Putin says so” for decades. This paperwork doesn’t represent a real change.

yogthos OP ,
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No it hasn’t and it’s incredible that a grown ass person genuinely believes this.

Pilferjinx , in Israeli Bulldozers Flatten Mile After Mile in the West Bank

The Israeli killdozers plowing in Palestinians go brrr.

greyw0lv , in Mexico is emerging as big winner in U.S. trade war, but maybe too much to China's benefit

Sounds good for mexico, what’s the issue?

Alsephina , in ‘China will support Iran,’ Wang Yi vows as Israel-Hezbollah conflict rages

Words are cool and all, but China hasn’t even done the bare minimum of sanctioning israel yet. Even turkey has stopped trade with it by now.

asg101 ,

Talk is cheap.

GenkiFeral ,

China says it will take Taiwan back and that means war, so China will need allies. It is a happy coincidence for China that Russia and Iran are having battles right now.

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GarbageShoot ,

The one is not the other

JayTreeman ,

That's an interesting way of doing sanctions. What's worse? Cutting them off completely, or changing business practices to ensure you still get their money, but they don't get the product?

yogthos OP ,
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it’s pretty subtle

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

China is probably maintaining a front of neutrality while giving Iran economic support like they're doing for Russia.

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