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You’re confusing private property with personal property. While this is a very common mistake, you can’t claim to have an informed opinion about communism while still making it, it’s 101 level stuff.

Further, you are also making the other very common error of assuming the state is oppressive because it is like some kind of monolith somehow cut off from the rest of society as though the peoples staffing it weren’t as much part of society as everyone else, this is not the case, whether a state apparatus is oppressive and against whom it is oppressive is dictated by the class character of the state, a factor that is systematically neglected by the peoples using variations of “power always corrupt” truisms to “analyze” a state.

tl;dr: you’re knowledge of communism and communist theory and praxis is very surface level at best, go read some reading list from prolewiki’s library, To criticize something you need to know at least the basics of it first.

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Ha yes, you can just do that. It’s totally not out of reach for all the peoples who have to work 2~3 jobs at once and still can’t save any money because even the basic necessities for survival are sold at extortion prices not to mention possible medical, college debt or mortgages.

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Forcible suppression of opposition

Democrats kicked the Party for Socialism and Liberation off the ballot in Georgia already, so while we aren’t all the way there, signs of it are showing up

Don’t forget all the times they broke strikes, sent the cop beat up protesters, arrested peoples who spoke against Israel, etc…

Militarisation of society

Not there yet, sure.

Normalizing wars for resources and geopolitical influence, cohering poor peoples to join the army by having military service be the only way to not fall into decades long crippling debt to pay for college, continuing to throw more and more money at the military industrial complex even though they already give it more than the next 10 biggest military spending combined and justifying it with fearmongering about Russia/China/whatever country they don’t like invading them and their allies. They already seem pretty militaristic to me.

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Material analysis is an analysis using the method of dialectical materialism and historical materialism.

To put in in a grossly oversimplified way, one of the most important concepts of dialectical materialism is that ideas aren’t independent from society. Peoples don’t pull ideas out of some Platonist void, their ideas are shaped by and consequences of the society and material conditions they live in.

For example, writing didn’t appear just because some guy one day said “what if we drew funny shapes in clay and pretended the shapes are words?”. When the first human societies started accumulating reserves of food, lumber, domestic animals and materials and to exchange these with other groups of humans, keeping track of everything was becoming a problem. The first writing systems were invented as a way to solve that problem, they figured out that by associating each resource with a symbol they could easily keep track of what they had and how much of it they had.

The same logic apply to fascism. Fascism didn’t appear because some guy woke up one day and decided to be an asshole for no,reason. As the contradictions of capitalism worsened (contradictions are also a concept from dialectical materialism btw), peoples were becoming radicalized against capitalism and the bourgeoisie which created the threat of a potential revolution overthrowing capitalism, in order to protect capitalism from that threat, the petty bourgeoisie tried to hide the class struggle between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat by fabricating a fake struggle against a group of the proletariat (typically a “race”) that they could point to to divert attention from the class struggle.

This is what is meant in this context. Since liberalism is the main ideology of capitalism, when the contradictions of capitalism inevitably makes everything break down, liberals will either be radicalized to the left and stop being liberals, or defend capitalism to the end by slipping more and more to the right until they become indistinguishable from fascists.

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Yes but not only, small business owners, small landlords and “casual traders” who own some stocks but not enough to be considered rich or have influence in the company the stocks are from are also part of the petty bourgeoisie.

Generally, the petty bourgeoisie are peoples who technically own means of productions and may even have a few employee working for them, but don’t make quite enough from that to not have to work anymore. They are constantly under the threat of being out-competed by larger businesses, especially corporations owned by the high bourgeoisie, and becoming a proletarian.

Basically, they are the subclass at the boundary between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. They are better off than the proletariat and own means of production and private property but are under constant threat to lose these privileges and become part of the proletariat, especially in time of crisis.

They are the source of the overwhelming majority of fascists as I’ve said, because they still benefit from capitalism and generally aspire to become part of the high bourgeoisie even tough they are very much the underdogs. The bourgeois state will intentionally let fascism grow unopposed so that if the bourgeoisie feels their privileges are threatened by working class movements, they can give power to the fascists who will crackdown on the proletariat and protect the capitalist system from being overthrown.

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https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/1a4b718c-e21e-48ab-87cd-0569ce6a1c77.png “The evil is gonna step on us, but the lesser evil is also gonna step on us but with clean boots, which is totally better!”

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It seems like they took Kursk without losing much.

Pretty sure they lost at least 3 columns trying to take some towns there.

Now they have a bargaining chip for peace talks…

No they don’t. For the territories they occupy to be a bargaining chip, the territories would need to be strategically important enough for their capture to threaten Russia’s ability to fight this war (they aren’t) and Ukraine would have to be able to guaranty that Russia can’t get them back by fighting and is forced to negotiate to get them back (highly doubtful given that Ukraine can’t even stop Russian advances in their own territory, only slow them down at best).

…and possibly diverted attention away from the main front.

Last I’ve heard Russia haven’t even diverted troops from the main front line in Ukraine, so no, it didn’t even achieve that. Which makes sense when you know that Russia has way more manpower and equipment than Ukraine right now, this isn’t the stare of the war when Ukraine’s army was motivated and received billion dollars arms shipments every week anymore.

Forcing the enemy army to split over more front lines only works if you have the resources to maintain more front lines better than your enemy can. Which is why it’s Ukraine who are getting stretched thin by their own shenanigans here, not Russia, the Kursk invasion was objectively not a smart move.

The western reporting may also get under Putins skin.

That’s cute, but war is won with steel and blood, not twitter ratios. “owning Putin” is at best going to be a very short moral boost that’s only gonna last until the soldiers on the front line notice that they are still getting shredded en mass by Russian shells all the same as before.

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All that is only valid if you assume that there is a lesser evil between the two. That’s your problem, you’re left all confused at our stubborn refusal of voting for the democrats because you assume that we agree with you that the Democrats are less evil than the republicans. we don’t (those I know at least don’t).

I’m telling you that honestly, I haven’t seen any evidence that the Democrats would be any less bad, nor any evidence that they have been any less bad until now, on the contrary. I haven’t seen any of the peoples who keep telling us to vote blue give any evidence than the Democrats are less bad, you just take it as an axiom that they are, never try to actually demonstrate it and build your entire argument on this very much unfounded basis.

Your claim here that the Republican could do worst implicitly assume that the Democrats are holding back and not giving as much to Israel as they could, except 1) the Democrats are way too rabidly Zionist and full of AIPAC money for that to be true and 2) the US, right now under a democrat president, is already sending Israel everything they can afford to send without risking to escalate into a war with Iran and Lebanon against whom they know them and Israel would lose (they did war-games to simulate a war against Iran, they lost badly. Sources: How the U.S. Military Lost a War to Iran (In a Simulation, That Is) - Mackenzie institute A $250 Million War Game and Its Shocking Outcome - The National Interest Millennium Challenge 2002 - wikipedia)

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All this article is saying is that the Republicans openly boast about the evil things they do and their voters are openly pro-Israel, both of which I already know, and neither of which contradict what I said.

Yes, the Democrats don’t give speeches in which they shamelessly talk about what they’ll do to all the peoples they hate the way the Republicans do, and pretend to care about minorities instead. But that doesn’t matter what they say, it’s too easy to say shit you don’t mean, what matter is what they do, and what the Democrats are doing is, as I’ve said, sending every weapons they can afford to Israel so that they can continue to slaughter Palestinians.

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I see where you’re coming from, but once again, this is mostly the Democrat parties saying stuff and not doing anything meaningful.

This article is talking about the Republican wanting to pass a bill forbidding withholding weapons from Israel over Biden saying (as in, not doing) that he might withhold weapons shipments.

Digging a little in the links off your article, the only instance of Biden actually doing something is this. Which to be fair, sound convincing at a glance.

But let’s examine closer: First of all, as is clearly written, the shipment is merely paused meaning they will still deliver it eventually. So already I can tell they don’t actually intend to hold back on the weapons and are just trying to calm the peoples angry at them for what they’re doing. If they’re elected again, as soon as they get to office they will resume giving every single bit of armament they can afford to Israel.

Now let’s talk even more concrete, how much does this pause in the weapon shipments really affect the genocide. As anyone who was following the events since October 7 can tell, the genocide continued completely unbothered, and of course it did:

A US official told CNN on Tuesday that the shipment, which was held back last week, includes 1,800 bombs weighing 2,000 pounds and 1,700 bombs weighing 500 pounds.

This is the article’s description of the paused shipment, 1,800 + 1,700 = 3,500 bombs in total.

Israel has dropped 45,000 bombs on Gaza since October 7 alone (so not counting the ones dropped before), This report dates back from Mars so the actual current number is probably much much higher. Sources: Bombings in populated areas: a new extreme reached in Gaza

3,500/45,000 = 0.07 = 7%

This shipment represent a mere 7% of the bombs dropped on Gaza, for the record the bombs the Israelis uses have a failure rate of 9% ~ 14%. In other words, this paused shipment bothered the ongoing genocide less that the small chance the bombs they do have might malfunction and fail to explode.

I should also mention the fact that they paused the shipment of just 2 types of bombs out off all the weapons the US delivers to Israel, that’s essentially nothing. Source: Which US-made weaponry does Israel, which stands …. It’s all just lip service, good optics so that their convinced voters (you) can come at us all smug and go “see? they’re not that bad”, but when you look closely, there is nothing, it’s just a show to make themselves look good, there is nothing actually meaningful going on.

And beside, let’s be honest, the reason they even did this inconsequential stunt of pausing this shipment is above all because the Democrat’s handlers knew that if Israel want into Rafah, they would just get their asses handed to them by Hamas and put the whole country in an even worst situation that they already were, which is exactly what happened. Source: Hamas Prepare Traps for IDF in MAJOR Counteroffensive.

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I’m not putting my hopes in the republicans, that’s a strawman and I’m sure you know that.

I already said the Dems are the lesser evil.

You still didn’t give any evidence that they are. You just assert that they are and retreat to pretending like I’m supporting the Republicans when I didn’t buy the Democrat’s “good optics” as proof that they are less evil.

The evidence is overwhelmingly clear the Reps are not simply just unsympathetic but hostile to anti-zionists.

So are the Democrats, have you not seen what kind of things they say about the anti-genocide protests? Have you not seen Kamala’s statement about the protests when Netanyahu was visiting? Or all the violent police crackdown that happened under the Democrat’s watch since October 7?

You are holding a shitty hand and everyone knows it. Threatening to go all in on the Reps is going to get called every time.

You know what else will get called out? You blatantly lying about what I said because you ran out of counterarguments. I don’t support the Republicans, they’re horrible too. It’s your unproven assumption that the Democrats are better that I’m criticizing here.

All you can do now is fold, hope your chips go to the almost sympathetic Dems, and start playing the next hand dealt.

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Ha, yes. The genociders who are almost sympathetic to the peoples they’re genociding. Again, no evidence, just faith. “The Democrats are the lesser evil, no I won’t prove it, you must accept it in your soul that they are the good guys, reject the evidence of your eyes and your ears telling you that they keep doing the things they used to criticize Trump for less than 5 years ago, just believe in the holy blue party!!!”

The more time passes the more Blue MAGA becomes a fitting title for the convinced Democrats crowd.

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I’ve done nothing but provide evidence the Republicans are worse, in their own words, if you’d read it.

No, you didn’t. Once again you’re focusing on what the parties and their voters are saying and ignoring what they are doing.

I’ve already addressed why the article you linked don’t prove that the Democrats are less bad 👈 This is what I’ve requested evidence for, in case you forgot. I don’t need you to tell me the Republicans are bad, I already know that.

The very fact you say ‘no, the Dems are worse’ proves you support republicans because at this point it is one or the other.

An other strawman. When did I say that the Dems were worst? I said they were both bad. That’s my whole point since the beginning: that there isn’t any lesser evil between the two. They are both equally bad, only the optics, the presentation, the aesthetic is different.

Throwing a tantrum because the Dems are technically the ones in power and so you place all the blame on them is weak tea.

It does put the blame on them though. As president, Biden is the chief of the entire US military, he could literally send one e-mail and end all shipment to Israel immediately, he has that power right now he just chose not to use it.

And that’s just what the president alone has the power to do. Let alone the entire Democrat party with all the senators and governors that have.

The House vote Republicans initiated to force the Dems to stop delaying the release of weapon shipments had 16 Dems vote for it, versus 208 Reps.

That’s meaningless lip-service once again.

If the bill don’t pass, they’ll maybe do one or two more bullshit pause in the shipments and boast that they’re so fucking great and progressive for it even though it doesn’t even bother the ongoing genocide in any meaningful capacity for the reasons I explained.

If the bill do pass, they’ll get a free excuse to continue to unconditionally support Israel while getting to pose as great progressives for the even cheaper price of simply crying crocodile tears on TV and social medias about the bill, while not actually doing anything against said bill.

In both cases they get their voters (you) to berate everyone about the Democrats just because they didn’t vote for a Republican bill they at best feel neutral toward.

Press releases by Republican Senators calling the Dems “weak Palestinians” in a blatantly racist attempt to belittle their hesitation.

Yes, the Republican don’t care if you see them for what they are while the Democrats are scrambling to convince their voter base that their evil actions somehow don’t makes them the ‘bad guys’. Again, nothing new, and nothing that contradict my position.

If you have two racist KKK members uncles coming to Christmas eve, would you say that the one who at least shut up during dinner is better than the one who vomit racism on the table, or that it doesn’t matter because at the end of the day they are still both KKK members and you should kick out both? I say the second option.

What the Fuck more do you need? Them to get into power and start invading Palestine with American troops? Get a clue, come on.

They won’t do that. The American military know they would lose an open war in the region and that if they lose it would be the end of Israel. I know that Trump is a dumb fuck, but he’s not alone, there are corporations, handlers and generals behind him who won’t let Trump wreck Israel by his stupidity.

The only way the US would send the army is if Iran, Hezbollah and Yemen attack Israel first, in which case the Democrats would sent the army too.

Your argument sits on what ifs with no basis in reality.

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Okay you are clearly refusing to face facts. Whatever the Dems do, the Reps say ‘they should have done more’. You are fixated on the Dems being the ones signing solely because they are in power when the Reps ENTIRE FUCKING PLATFORM is that Israel needs more support.

None of the facts you presented show that the Republicans would do worse.

Of course they’re saying the Dems aren’t supporting Israel enough, the Reps’ whole electoral strategy is to whine about the Democrats and blame them for everything they think is wrong. Just because they say the Democrats support Israel less than them doesn’t make it true.

Again, the Democrat’s actions show clearly that they are unconditionally supporting the genocide with every resource they have.

You aren’t arguing in good faith

I am though.

I go through every argument you made point by point, and explain point by point in detail why they don’t convince me, the problems I have with them, my perspective, so that you can come with better more convincing arguments.

That’s arguing in good faith.

But instead crafting better arguments to counter the points I raised you just keep repeating over and over that the Dems are better without ever demonstrating it. So far you’ve given just 2 sources, of which only the second was relevant to my main point, and no actual argument of your own as far as the subject matter is concerned.

I dare suppose that this is because you don’t actually have any answers to the many points I raised, or if you do you’re certainly not showing it.

and just repeating the same tired ‘Dems did bad stuff tho’ instead of acknowledging that the Reps would absolutely do worse, in their own words, supported by their own actions, happily.

'Course they say they would do worst. Complaining about the Dems posturing as progressive is their all thing. Doesn’t make it true. See first point.

This unwillingness to get beyond past wrongs to see how you’re own myopic actions only make things worse is a running theme with the Anti-Zionists so I guess in a way this is my fault for trying to educate the unwilling.

This is not just past wrongs, this is above all current wrongs, the genocide is going on right now, and the Democrats are supporting it right now.

Again, this point is only valid if you believe that the Democrats are less bad than the Republicans, which I don’t believe and which is what I’ve asked you to provide evidence of, which you didn’t do.

Also, your smug attitude since the beginning certainly isn’t isn’t a sign of good faith on your part.

Don’t listen. Keep sawing away at that nose. You aren’t worth arguing with at this point unless you agree the Reps outright say they want to do more for Israel than the Dems have and admit the only reason they haven’t is solely because they aren’t in power. We’ll just have to wait for the Rep leopards to be voted in and start eating your faces. At which point the metaphorical screams of pain will be little consolation.

I’ve listened, I’ve read the things you linked and responded to the points you tried to make with them.

To me, it’s you who don’t seem worth arguing with or willing to hear a different perspective.

I doubt you even opened any of the many links I gave, or again, if you did, you sure aren’t showing you did.

I mean, look at this line:

You aren’t worth arguing with at this point unless you agree the Reps outright say they want to do more for Israel than the Dems

That’s the whole thing we are arguing about tough. You’re basically saying that I’m not worth arguing with if I don’t already agree with you on the thing we’re arguing about. If that isn’t bad faith, I don’t know what is.

And again with that smug attitude, as well as wishing harm on me for not wanting to support your favorite genocider club to top it all, how very blue MAGA of you.

Weather or not you respond, I’m done here.

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The single issue voters on abortion voted blue, that’s why they have no problem with those.

Why does it feel as though only the US and China (and maybe some other Asian countries) have an economic future?

I live in Germany, which by some accounts, is the third largest economy, and we have literally no answer for what is next, economically. Neither in the public nor private sectors. Nobody is investing, nobody is building new things, nobody even knows what to do next. But the story is the same throughout Europe as far as I can...

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Your reading of the situation is correct. There is a few reasons why this is the case:

  1. De-industrialization
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Imperialism allows western countries’ capitalists to exploit the cheaper resources and labor of some economically less developed nations and acquire super-profits on top through unequal exchange, since doing this is much more profitable than producing industrial goods in the west directly, western industrial capitalists have a huge incentive to move their factories to the third world. This has the effect of de-industrializing the west itself, and has gotten so bad that some European countries like the UK can barely even produce their own steel anymore, which is very bad given how important steel is to a lot of industries.

This makes the west more and more dependent on supply lines they don’t necessarily control in order to get the resources and goods they need, in this situation the smart thing to do would be to diversify your supplier countries do reduce any ones’ leverage over your country. But…

  1. De-localization and American influence
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The US has been hard at work making sure Europe was dependent on them above anyone else for supplies.

They have also have been offering generous advantages to businesses who would de-localize to the US, aggravating the problem for their own profits.

This is part of the reasons why the US has been doing somewhat better than the rest of the west despite de-industrialization and financialization affecting them too, they’ve been sucking on Europe like a parasite to offset the problem ever so slightly.

  1. Innovation vs profits
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As you’ve noted, most of the technological progress lately has been happening in the third world who has been catching up while the west seems to have lost it’s drive and is being overtaken. There are a lot of factors at play here but the main issue is the profit motive. A lot of research and a lot of things that are useful for a society aren’t profitable.

Take China’s high speed train network for example, it’s a very good thing for the peoples that there is such a good method of public transportation available, but it’s not profitable, the Chinese state is running it at a loss (offset by other income sources, but still). Because of that, such a good railway network would never be built in the west because the western companies and even governments are only interested in infrastructures if they bring in a profit.

An other example is renewable energy. For many years a lot of peoples have had and propagated this narrative that, since green tech is becoming cheaper, profit driven organizations would have an incentive to switch away from fossil energy, yet this hasn’t happened. Why? Because profit isn’t that simple.

Why can a business buy a pile of woof for 1$ and sell a chair made from the wood for 2$? Where do the added 1$ come from? It comes from work, they can take this chair made from 1$ worth of wood for 2$ because it’s not just a pile of wood anymore, something happened to it, someone used their time and energy to turn the wood into a chair. If it was possible to use some kind of spell to turn wood into chairs without effort, competition would drive the price down to the value of the dead materials that makes it: 1$, and the profit rate in the industry would be 0$ or very close to 0.

This, in a nutshell, is why cheaper green tech hasn’t pushed corporation to transition to clean energy. Sure, it’s cheaper, but it’s also vastly less profitable because green tech like solar panels and wind turbines are much more automatized than fossil fuel which mean less peoples who’s work add value to each unit of energy produced which mean proportionally less profit. This is why the green transition hasn’t happened and won’t anytime soon as long as the west is driven by the profit motive above all else.

  1. What can be done?
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The problem is the profit motive and private property. The capitalists shouldn’t be allowed to do whatever they want with the industries and infrastructures society needs, taking them to a different country whenever they feel like it, taking jobs away from us to exploit less developed nations, etc…

What needs to be done is to kick out the neoliberals, nationalize a bunch of important industries, restrict what capitalists are allowed to do with their private properties and moving toward abolishing private property altogether.

And the way to move toward this goal is to learn political theory and start organizing. Go to marginalized communities, poor peoples, even to the petty bourgeois not wealthy enough to move their business to the US and get left to die by the wealthier international bourgeoisie who are robbing their country, help them, listen to their problems and their complaints, help them understand where these problems come from and why the right’s analysis of the situation isn’t correct, and build a democratic popular movement able and willing to take power, by force if necessary.

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Economics Explained has a massive neoliberal, pro-western bias which makes his analysis very questionable to say the least.

Their latest video about my country France for example is 18 minutes of him yapping about why akshually it’s a good thing that Macron is taking away our retirement pension, during which he says such absurdities as unironically arguing that France is kinda socialist.

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There are no truly neutral parties and there is no such thing as unbiased. If a source or a media tells you they are unbiased and/or perfectly neutral, they are either lying to you or don’t properly understand what biases are and how they work.

However, some sources are more biased than others on different things.

Take the American election observers who endorsed the election results mentioned by the article for example.

Like I’ve mentioned, they aren’t truly unbiased or neutral as that’s not possible.

BUT

At the very least, they don’t have a money trail linking them the international terrorist organization that tried to overthrow Venezuela’s government multiple times (CIA and it’s ecosystem of right wing think-tanks), unlike the one you’ve cited.

I’d like to hear how the heck you can possibly think that this ☝️ isn’t a VERY OBVIOUS bias.

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https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/2a2fa5be-44a7-4d92-a062-a568d9a2973d.png If I had a nickel every time a .world user says something I agree with I would have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened more than once.

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fucking liberals Liberals being useless and ceding ground to the right for the sake of “civility” once again.

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Apart from the pure https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/421568bc-79d9-414b-be7d-b37ed21895ba.png, you gotta love the subtly racist smugness of white westerners halfway across the fucking planet being so confident that they would know better whether or not and by who the peoples of middle-income countries are exploited than the peoples of middle-income countries themselves.

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I just don’t understand the pro-Democrat party crowd’s strategy. Why do they insist on keeping Biden as the Democrat candidate when that clown keeps nuking it’s own odds of winning more and more everyday with his stupid shenanigans? If the peoples who keep berating everyone to vote for Biden see Trump as some sort of ultimate threat, why do they insist on using a candidate that even they admit is hated by most of his own voter base against Trump? That sound like a terrible strategy to me. Shouldn’t they be mad at the Democrat party for taking such risk by insisting on a candidate so widely despised? Why don’t they call for a candidate that is actually likely to beat Trump? Why do they keep berating the folks who have made it clear that they won’t be voting for Biden under any circumstances when the over 60% of the Americans who don’t participate in politics are right there?

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I DON’T insist on Biden at all.

Maybe not you specifically but I’ve seen a lot of peoples do.

many MORE people in this world will suffer, struggle and die under Trump than under Biden. It’s just math and all your ideology is VERY empty in the face of it.

See, I think this is where we disagree.

You operate under the assumption that the things that the Republicans want to do couldn’t happen under Biden, presumably because you think he would block Republican policies, but knowing what I know about Biden and his policies, his willingness to “reach across the aisles” and give concessions to the right, his tendency to passively letting Republican bills pass without doing anything about it even when he clearly have the power to, his failure/unwillingness to roll back Republican policies from Trump’s last term let alone the ones that he expanded instead, etc… I’m telling you honestly, I don’t believe that for 1 second.

I have not seen ANY evidences that Biden would act against Republican politics.

Heck I haven’t seen evidences that he wouldn’t do a complete 180 and start supporting Republican policies that he used to denounce, it wouldn’t even be the first time he does it.

In your arguments in favor of voting blue, you (the peoples who tell everyone to vote blue) always use this assumption that Biden couldn’t possibly be as bad as Trump as an axiom, as if it was just obvious, you never bother trying to show that it’s true, you never question it, I certainly haven’t ever seen any of you questioning it or trying to demonstrate it. You just treat it as some sort of fundamental truth to the point you don’t even seem to notice that you are using it sometimes.

I haven’t seen any reason to believe that this assumption is true, on the contrary.

When I look at the 2 last US presidential terms, I don’t see a bad president and a worst president, I see a bad president who tell you that he’s gonna to terrible shit and does exactly that and an other equally bad president that pinky promise he wont do terrible shit but then do terrible shit anyways and blames the other bad president for it when he get caught doing terrible shit.

Rare Fr*nch W. France’s left-wing parties projected to finish first in parliamentary elections, keep far right at bay. (www.nbcnews.com)

Against all odds, the socdems beat the liberals and reduced a surging far-right to an embarrassing third place. French fascists are stomping on their berets and cartoonishly snapping baguettes in half.

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When the west goes on a diplomatic trip: Our wholesome president went on a peace mission to make fair and responsible deals for the greater good ☺️

When a country the west doesn’t like goes on a diplomatic trip: Evil dictator traveled to advance his evil scheme, he probably explained his plan to his butler in his office while looking out the window on a rainy day before laughing maniacally as thunder struck outside 👿

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I don’t think they ever will be completely obsolete, the paradigm will probably just shift away from big formations of big boats with big guns to smaller more maneuverable boats in smaller groups more specialized on long distance strike capabilities using drones and missiles.

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Unfortunately and scarily, Russia is showing much of the same pattern as Germany in its most dark past, with the ruski mir looking more and more like the german lebensraum.

When you totally know what the lebensraum was.

The Nazis’ lebensraum project wasn’t just taking over a bunch of land in Europe, it was a settler colonial project inspired by the American policies of systematic forced displacement and extermination of the native populations under the doctrine manifest destiny.

Lebensraum was a pseudo-scientific racist theory formulated by pro-colonialism far right German thinkers, according to the lebensraum theory, a race needs a certain amount of space for themselves in order to attain their full potential and therefore need to take their necessary territory from “lesser” races by force. To summarise rapidly how it was developed, the German colonialists basically went “Look at America, they expanded to the west basically exterminating every native population in the way and replacing they with white settlers and now they’re super rich and powerful, so if we exterminate a bunch of native populations, take over their land and put native Germans in their place, we should become super rich and powerful too”.

The idea was put into practice in Namibia, then one of the German empire’s colonies, resulting in the genocide of the Herero and Nama.

Fast forward a bit, Adolph Hitler was visited in prison by one of the main colonialist thinkers behind lebensraum theory and Hitler was rapidly convinced to adopt it.

And that’s how was born the genocidal project of the Nazis in eastern Europe, just as their mentor the United States had rid “their” land of “lesser” north Americans natives to expand westward and make way for the “superior” whites, so would Germany rid eastern Europe of Jews and Slavs to make way for the “Aryans”.

Now comes the question: is Russia doing any of that? Does the Russian government believe in and promote a theory that rank races to justify the extermination of “lesser” ones? Is Russia shoving Ukrainians (or anyone else) in concentration camps and “reservation”? Do they steal Ukrainians houses and invite Russian natives to go live in the stolen houses in Ukraine?

The answer to all of those questions is no. If you think it’s yes you need to demonstrate it, saying “they look just like Nazis” without drawing any actual parallels between them is no better than saying “anyone I don’t like is a Nazi”.

The fact that all of russia’s puppet state demanded to join NATO (BTW: you cannot be invited it only works by writing an official demand to join and approval by all member state), is a revealing fact.

If a NATO country can somehow influence the elections and public opinion on NATO in those so called “Russian puppets”, which they very much can, they can make sure to have pro-NATO politicians in power who will demand a NATO membership, that way they effectively force the country to join while making it look like it was voluntary.

As we saw in Ukraine, Russia does not need any reason to invade a sovereign nation (their reason for invading looking also stangely like german justification for poland invasion)

“Russia does not need any reason to invade[…] their reason for invading looking also stangely like…”

Look, if you’re gonna spew bullshit, can’t you at least keep it strait and somewhat coherent?

Putin didn’t just wake up and decide he was feeling like invading something that day, whether you like it or not they had actual reasons to do it and the fact that you or I may or may not think those reasons are not legitimate does not matter since neither you nor I have a say in the Kremlin.

Also, once again you say “they look like Nazis” without showing why you think they look like Nazis. How are their reasons similar? Russia’s stated reasons for invading are to prevent all of their western frontier neighbors to become part of a military alliance they deem aggressive to them and to stop the killing of ethnic Russians in the Donbas and Luhansk regions and overthrow the current far right government of Ukraine, how is that similar to the Nazi’s excuses to invade Poland?

The countless horrors of torture, rape, murder and brainwashing by the russian state, seems to prove their reasoning right.

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That wouldn’t be the first time the west has falsely accused an enemy of those things so I’m really gonna need a source for that.

I do not claim that the west is perfect, with the actions of the united states and other in recent times, but claiming that russia or china have clean hands would be outright hypocritical.

You claim that the west is systematically better than Russia, China and other countries that the west considers rivals or enemy (funny coincidence that those are all countries the west don’t like isn’t it) and when we demonstrate to you that this is bullshit since the west has literally done almost every single thing you accuse China, Russia, etc of, often in worst and more than once, you go “Ha but I think the west is bad too” so that you can continue pretending to be objective even after we expose you massive pro-west bias.

Thanks to the free press, the western world made their population aware of this wrong actions and helped steer them in the right direction.

The press in the west is not free, it’s the private property of a handful of billionaires who, since they are their private properties, have complete control over what is or is not published in their outlets. I’d even say that given that the capitalists are the ruling class in the west, privately owned medias are really state owned medias with extra steps.

Not to mention the fact that western outlet are often in contact with organs of western governments, most notoriously with the CIA, who often dictate what the outlets should publish.

Just look at how they report on the genocide of Palestinians, does that look like fair and unbiased reporting to you? Those that look free pro Israel bias?

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That makes sense

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Yellen made a point of shouting out Deng Xiaoping’s 1992 visit to manufacturing and export powerhouse Guangzhou. It marked a key milestone in China’s progress in becoming a market economy, one that Yellen hopes the Xi era will emulate by leveling playing fields for Western companies.

Liberals can’t see beyond what’s right in front of them as usual, without doing the smallest amount of investigations into Deng’s reasoning for the market reforms she is preaching him as a liberal icon to peoples who know the actual reason why Deng did what he did. Having markets and bourgeois on a leash to develop the forces of production is pretty basic stuff and it’s easy to find that it’s what Deng wanted to do, but instead of looking into why on earth the chairman of a communist party would implement market reforms they saw that China’s market was open to foreign markets and concluded that Deng was a liberal without any further investigations.

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This is “we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong” 's evil twin “we investigated these peoples we don’t like and found they did everything wrong”

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No, clearly you don’t understand what they meant, nor how Cuba’s political system works. Please educate yourself before confidently calling dictatorship a country who’s political system you couldn’t explain the most basics of.

Here are videos to help you:

We Asked Cuban Voters If They Live In A Democracy Or Dictatorship. Here’s How They Responded.

how democracy works in Cuba

Also, please learn what a class is.

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Well I’m not going to travel to Cuba for the sake of an internet discussion

You don’t need to, it’s very easy to find documentation on the subject for free online if you are just willing to actually learn about it.

But it is true that political opposition is forbidden and the only allowed party is the communist, right?

No it’s not, not only are other parties and independent candidates allowed, but the communist party isn’t allowed to present their candidates to the elections because candidates to the elections are not nominated by their party but by the peoples of their community, the communist party do end up having their members picked for the elections because the party is overwhelmingly popular but there is nothing to guaranty that any of them will get in.

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Sorry but Scandinavian countries were still capitalist and still had a bourgeois class even before the neoliberals came around.

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Different opinions can be voiced in the party itself, democratic centralism is summarized as “diversity in opinions, unity in actions” ideas can be freely discussed, debated, voted, compromised on, etc but once the party reach a democratic consensus the party as a whole must go through with the decision unless the party as a whole change it’s mind democratically.

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You do realize that kind of sanctions affect the poor civilians far more than the elite, if it even affect the elite at all, right?

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But in the 60’s it was on its way to eradicate the bourgeoisie and lift the under class in its entirety?

No, it was just a welfare state back then too, they just had more concessions at the time because there was the Soviet Unions just next door with guarantied employment, free healthcare and housing, etc, and were getting so riled up over it that the bourgeoisie was getting really scared of potentially having a revolution and decided that temporarily giving these concessions was better than loosing everything.

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Hard to tell how popular the government is if you get jailed for voicing disagreement now isn’t it?

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What I’ve seen about the demand for the sanctions to be lifted it’s granting the population human rights regarding political freedoms. Would that mean the dissolvement of the government?

You’ve been given a link to a declassified CIA document in which they admit that the true objective of the sanctions is to have the Cuben government overthrown, did you read anything any of us have given you?

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Liberals once again demonstrating their inability to conceive of any kind of political action outside of voting and telling other peoples to go vote.

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They sure are shuffling government officials a lot these days.

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Ha, yes. I’m sure that will work out this time.

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“The peoples who disagree with me aren’t real akshually sweaty, it’s all a conspiracy from [insert whatever person/country lib decided to hate this week].” https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/456499ed-8a45-4f2f-85eb-0f6af085ca14.png

Isn’t you radlib’s whole shtick that you’re supposedly better than the MAGA Qanon crowd in every ways? If so you should at least try to pretend to have better arguments than them lol. This is legitimately pathetic.

The fact that you dogged the question with a thought terminating cliché instead of elaborating as was asked of you is a perfect illustration of the fact that the only troll here is you, and that you are nothing but a sad clown with no actual arguments 🤡

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