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Illuminostro ,

Apple gonna Apple.

Kjatten ,

Are they really this spiteful? Wow

brunofin ,

I know it sounds awful but on the other hand Linus explains why it’s like that in this video youtu.be/7KuLMe6KSVQ?si=DAdNH3JlZ4HShIYZ

Not trying to justify it, just it’s good to know why.

egeres ,
@egeres@lemmy.world avatar

Really apple? And they did all that mother nature bullshit with octavia spencer while it was europe who forced them to use a universal connector and stop polluting the world with useless pathetic cables

p000l ,

A $5 Pen drive transfers data faster. Some day, Apple will be able to figure how to do this in a multi hundred dollar phone. Need more MBAs.

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

⬛

AA5B ,

So, how do you sell this to a regular user? We’re probably getting new phones in this round and I want the Pro but still trying to sell that choice. My kid’s Mom has never used the data connector so how can I sell her on that as one of the features she wants?

Note on our weird situation but we have two teens and our pattern is to buy new, and give our 2-4 year old phones to the kids. For this to work, we really need to have identical phone models

MyUnclesSecret ,

Guess you’ll have to change bubble colors.

Chriskmee ,

I feel like not many people actually use the data port on their phones anymore, I know I haven’t used my android USB port for anything other than fast charging for I feel like 10 years. Do you even use the data connector on your phone?

macrocephalic ,

I use it. I plug my phone into a dock and use it in desktop mode on occasion. I actually have an old phone running an FTP server with an external hard drive connected.

InvaderDJ ,

It does feel kind of spiteful. But honestly, it is surprisingly difficult to find USB 3 USB-C cables anyway. Most of them are USB 2 unless you spring for Thunderbolt cables.

hackitfast ,
@hackitfast@lemmy.world avatar

There’s nothing more spiteful than not buying either of them

JackbyDev ,

I swear I have a USB C cable that charges faster oriented one way. I haven’t really proved it or anything but it really does feel like it. Maybe I’m crazy. Is it possible? It’s “normal” USB on the other side.

NotSoCoolWhip ,

You aren’t crazy, but barring any defects or damage this shouldn’t be happening

macrocephalic ,

I had a cable which only charged plugged in one way up. I assume some of the pins were damaged.

ichbinjasokreativ ,

No they’re not? At least when I check amazon or any other online retailer, USB-C cables are almost always USB 3.0 or higher. Only the ultra cheap ones are not.

InvaderDJ ,

We’re talking USB-C to USB-C right?

Do you have links for some of the ones you looked at? Because I checked a few Anker and Apple cables and they were all USB 2.0.

It does seem to be easier to get USB 3 Type A to type C cables, but not C to C.

player2 ,

I was skeptical but then I went to the Google store and looked at their USB-C cables and they are also USB 2.0 speeds.

Shurimal ,

Frankly, who even uses the USB port on their phone for data transfers unless it's an emergency? I just stream media from my NAS using Navidrome and Jellyfin, use Syncthing to back up my photos and sync files I need, and mount the SMB shares I need to access. The eMMC and SD cards are slower than USB 3 speeds, anyway. Most SD cards don't even max out USB 2.

The only sensible real life use case for USB 3 for phones would be external monitors.

accideath ,

Transferring large amounts of 4K ProRes video off the phone and onto a computer. But someone who’s seriously doing that is buying the Pro anyways and that’s faster

Tschuuuls ,

IPhone doesn’t have a sd card and the internal storage is decently fast nvme.

CaptPretentious ,

who even uses the USB port on their phone for data transfers

If far easier to manage files on the phone, be it upload/download/move/delete with a computer than it is fiddling with whatever shitty file manager on the phone.

I just stream media from my NAS using Navidrome and Jellyfin, use Syncthing to back up my photos and sync files

Going to venture a large portion of mobile device users don’t use any of that, or know what any of that is.

What I don’t get, is why you’re being an apologist for Apple?

Shurimal ,

What I don’t get, is why you’re being an apologist for Apple?

I fucking hate Apple, their walled garden and questionable engineering practices. But USB port speed is the last of the reasons to hate them. I really don't give a shit about whether the USB-C port on my phone is USB 2 or 3 or whatever. Be it "normies" or "techies", I can't recall anyone in my social circle who uses the port on the phone for anything other than charging. Cloud storage, whether self-hosted or by some big company, is the norm and way more convenient. Especially considering that properly set up, everything is backed up and synced in real time automagically.

Chriskmee ,

I never understood why some people take one comment of “I don’t agree with that criticism” and think you are some diehard fanboy? I don’t like Apple, I don’t like Tesla or Elon Musk, but sometimes I disagree with some criticism they get and basically every single time someone thinks I must be a loyal fan.

I’m sure there are those who will or could make great use of USB3 speeds, but I think like 99% of the users won’t notice the difference because they just don’t use it. I know I’ve never used USB for data transfer in my last couple Android phones, I only use it for charging and even that is greatly reduced since I mainly use wireless charging now.

jj4211 ,

Well, not an iPhone user myself, but I use the port because it just gets to be straightforward.

I can appreciate the self hosting of Jellyfin, but then I’m at a place in the mountains without adequate cell signal nor other decent internet. One day I was doing the Jellyfin thing then of course my music stops. Turns out there was an outage near my home.

It dawned on me that I went through a lot of trouble to have my media remotely accessible, when plugging into USB let me just dump the files and the on-device media players were really good at handling it. Besides, the latency on seeking the media was sooooo much better than streaming it (the streaming seek latency isn’t bad, but it isn’t instant either).

Fair point about perhaps not needing USB 3 speeds, but USB 3 has been a thing for 14 years now. Phones that cost half as much as the iPhone 15 toss in USB 3 speeds without a thought. Sure, there are budget Android type-c that only have 2.0, but any phone that costs anywhere near as much as the iPhone seems to have USB 3 speeds on the port.

Mr_Dr_Oink ,

Why would any average person use a usb cable for data transfer when they can just use this specialist equipment that takes more know-how than the average user has to not only spec but build and configure too. Something that most people have never even heard of. People that in most cases barely know how to use their phones or a computer.

Search me… i cant think of any reason whatsoever for that.

People must be crazy.

vivadanang ,

so very apple to punish it’s own users because they have too many old components they need to use up, but if you’re paying for PRO you get actual 2023 modern USB.

so very, very apple.

ultratiem ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

Bro what modern it’s USB 3.0 lmao

briongloid ,
@briongloid@aussie.zone avatar

USB 3.0 is already 15 years old.

vivadanang ,

the adaptor is usb3, the controller interface limits you to usb 2.0 speed. what part of the article was hard to comprehend?

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Connector is USB type C, controller inside of it supports USB up to version 2. With USB you have different connectors but all of them are backwards compatible. So yes, Apple put outdated chip in the phone on regular versions so you get only USB 2.0 speeds. Type C is obviously capable of much more than USB 2, power delivery included… which is the part of OP statement. You get modern connector with outdated interface. Next year they will just trickle down Pro hardware to regular phones and call it “upgrade”. That’s what Apple does.

accideath ,

Well, they put last year’s chip in the phone, which does not support USB 3 speeds. If the non Pro iPhone 16 won’t support usb 3, then it’s deliberate kneecapping. Now it’s just unfortunate.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

I still find it scummy that you get a year old hardware at current year prices. If the price was not at flagship level, then sure you could justify older chips.

accideath ,

Well, the price isn’t at flagship level. At least not from Apple’s view. You pay less, you get less (which is still en par if not ahead in most regards, compared to the competition)

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Simple anchoring effect at work. Price flagship higher, so expensive “cheap” option looks cheaper by comparison. Truth of the matter is, it’s all inflated prices, not only exclusive to Apple.

accideath ,

I mean, yea, obviously. Adjusted for inflation, the iPhone 15 without contract costs about as much as the iPhone 4 (it’s technically even $40 cheaper). The Pro models are much more expensive, of course, which was a bit less questionable, when pro and non pro shared the same chip. Now, the non pro is a generation behind… At least imo though, there’s not much reason to spend the extra on the Pro, at least not as an average user, especially since, performance wise, last years chip still outperforms the competition. But then again, I myself barely classify as average user since I’m a proud user of the 13 mini…

jj4211 ,

It’s kind of funny that when they used lightning, they got a pass for failing to keep up with the industry standard that’s over a decode old.

accideath ,

Well, not really. Most people complained for years now about lightning. Not necessarily about the lack of usb 3 speeds but that’s probably because for the vast majority of people, that doesn’t matter

random8847 ,

What part of their comment was hard to comprehend?

They’re just saying even the usb 3.0 in the pro model is not modern.

NumerousGeorg ,

Welcome to the Android world where even good smartphones worth 400 $ only support USB 2.0

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

My phone is 6 years old at this point, was only $350, and uses USB-C.

Custodian1623 ,

Is it USB 2.0

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

It only fast charges in a 3.0 port so I’m gonna have to assume it’s 3.0 not 2.0.

vale ,

That has nothing to do with whether it’s USB 2.0 or 3.0 because it’s backwards compatible. What phone do you have?

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

How is it backwards compatible with fast charging if it only fast charges in 3.0 ports but not 2.0 ports? It will work in 2.0 sure, but it doesn’t fast charge over it since 2.0 doesn’t have the same electrical output as 3. I have a LG Thinq V6.

NeonWoofGenesis ,
@NeonWoofGenesis@l.henlo.fi avatar

That phone isnt 6 years old, it was released in 2020. It wasnt $350 either but $800. Weird points youre trying to make…

Kolanaki , (edited )
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I paid $350 for it, for certain. I thought I got it in 2018 but it seems I’m just misremembering.

The main point is that android certainly uses USB 3.0 pretty commonly, and not just 2.0. If it fast charges, it ain’t fucking 2.0.

iminahurry ,

Bro, you don’t really know anything about USB

The port being USB-C has nothing to do with USB 3.0

The port supporting fast charging has nothing to do with it being USB 3.0

Unless you have transferred data over the wire and seen USB 3 speeds, you can’t claim it to be USB 3 based on circumstances alone.

On the other hand, I can totally imagine that 99% people never transfer any data over the wire anymore. Airdrop is fast and convenient if you have a Mac and other solutions exist if you don’t. You can easily get 10 MBps+ transfer rates over Wi-Fi and that works fine for most people, if they ever need to transfer data over to a PC anyway. So I’m guessing Apple just took what majority would accept and went with it, just like any other company does these days.

Kolanaki , (edited )
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Really now?

USB 2.0 has the same power output as USB 1.0 and does not support fast charging.

From wikipedia. If the port on the device only supports 2.0, how does it handle the extra power input to allow fast charging? And what devices have a USB-C port that isn’t using the 3.2 standard?

__dev ,

It’s a little complicated. A USB-3 connection must provide higher current 900mA than a USB-2 connection 500mA. As such a USB-3 data connection can charge faster than a USB-2 connection - some people may call this “fast charging”.

However USB-PD (Power Delivery, aka fast charging) was released as part of the USB 3.1 specification, but it does not require a USB-3 data connection and neither does a USB-3 data connection require USB-PD. You can see all the different USB-C modes on Wikipedia as well, where USB-2 and Power Delivery are listed separately: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C#USB-C_receptacle_pin_…

iminahurry ,

That’s the part you are missing. Modern charging doesn’t use standard USB power. That’s the whole fast charging landscape is addressing.

Read this www.androidcentral.com/qualcomm-quick-charge

The power brick can supply more than 5 V over a standard USB port because it’s not adhering to USB standards for supplying power. As a result, data and power are decoupled, allowing the power brick to supply more than a standard USB port over a connector and cable which are identical to USB ports and cables.

vitriolix ,
@vitriolix@lemmy.world avatar

after a little time most of these handsets see deep discounts and special pricing from carriers

Eufalconimorph ,

USB Power Delivery (fast charge) doesn’t require USB 3.0 speeds, just USB-C connectors.

Companion1666 ,

Disagree. My Redmi Note 11 can charge up to 33W using my current Anker Nano II (65W), previously UGREEN 20W charger. It has USB-C 2.0 port.

muddybulldog ,

USB-C is a connector and, by itself, says nothing about the protocol in use. That’s the important part.

timetraveller ,

5Ghz wifi and Airdrop is what Apple wants people to use. I stopped connecting a USB cable except for doing a physical backup with iMazing on this 256GB model. I just trust the hard line more when making a 232GB backup.

  • USB2.0/3.0 = 480MB/s
  • USB3.1 G1 = 625MB/s
  • 5Ghz Wifi = 850-1000MB/s
  • USB3.2 G2x2 = 2500MB/s

Source: www.tomshardware.com/news/usb-3-2-explained

5 Gbps to MB/s = 625 MB/s 6 Gbps to MB/s = 750 MB/s 7 Gbps to MB/s = 875 MB/s 8 Gbps to MB/s = 1000 MB/s 9 Gbps to MB/s = 1125 MB/s 10 Gbps to MB/s = 1250 MB/s

Source: www.convertunits.com/from/Gbps/to/MB/s

CurlyMoustache ,
@CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world avatar

My Nothing Phone 1 is USB 2.0. I’ve never used it to transfer data

Thann ,
@Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

My cheap android phones have had usb3 for like 5 years =\

briongloid , (edited )
@briongloid@aussie.zone avatar

Most Androids still only get USB2.0, but not the ones that are in the price range of the iPhone.

Edit: Feels like I’m back on Reddit with people not reading my comment, I just said that although most units of Android phones are budget to mid-range, mine being a mid-range (Poco F3), Android phones anywhere near the range of an iPhone in Cost is USB 3.0+

Acters ,

Cheap as in 100 and less brand new? The third-party market can get you a usb3 type c port from a 2 year old phone at that price range. This is cheap to have. Apple is not doing it because it costs money, but it is a plus for them. They are doing it to push power users, who know enough about technical specs, to buy the more expensive product. The pro has USB 3, and even then, the charging speeds are 12 watt. They are trickling the upgrades ever slower now because the technological advances have slowed down. They are doing it to create hype and advertising the new stuff every year instead of drastically changing their product. It is planned absolesence from making certain parts weak on purpose.

briongloid ,
@briongloid@aussie.zone avatar

Most units are budget/mid-range, I’ve got a fairly good mid-range Poco F3 and it’s still USB 2.0, most units of android phones are that or below.

I said that everything close to price range of an iPhone is USB 3.0 or greater. The point was that the iPhone 15 is A$1500 and has the same port as my A$600 2-yr old android. The budget specs of the base model is absurd enough without being hyperbolic.

Seasoned_Greetings ,

I bought my oneplus 10 pro for sub $500 during a sale, and it has usb3.1. It’s last year’s model. You can get a pixel 6 with usb3.1 for less than $400. A Galaxy S21 has usb3.2, less than $500.

That’s almost every major android brand for $500 or less with 3.1 or better. The cheapest you can buy an iPhone 15, the one with usb2.0, is $800. What are you on about?

pedro ,

I don’t use data on the USB port very often and when I do it’s always to make an access point over USB so the USB2.0 bandwidth is enough for my use.

I wonder if people really have a use for USB3.

Apart from making phone more expensive, I don’t see a real need for me

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Argument can be made if your camera doesn’t support 4k or 60fps, there’s very little need for higher speeds than USB2.0 since files generated won’t be as big. However if you keep using your phone as a camera to record long videos, then yes it’s annoying to have slower interface.

pedro ,

That’s a valid point.

Also is there’s a USB3 controller at all in the phone to connect the camera inside the phone? Or does the camera talk on a different bus on the SoC?

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

With Apple devices I honestly don’t know. With others SoC is the one exposing the rest of the hardware and acts are intermediate. Historically in general giving DMA access to any hardware on the system has proven fatal when it comes to security. You do gain speed, but expose so much in the process.

vitriolix ,
@vitriolix@lemmy.world avatar

it’s not universally true, there are plenty of cheap and expensive models with USB 3

doggle ,

One last little ‘f you for making us do this’

Whatever, still better than lightning.

vivadanang ,

they don’t care because apple punishes the poors at every opportunity anyway. soldered on ram & ssd’s on their laptops for fucks sake

AtariDump ,

Apple’s not the only one with soldered on components.

vivadanang ,

dunno why you’re downvoted, you’re completely correct.

BUT

Apple is the only one charging eye-watering prices for the privilege. Yeah, there is that lol.

AtariDump ,

Agreed on the cost.

BroccoliFarts ,

Yeah I have a Thinkpad Carbon X1. It has soldered on RAM.

vivadanang ,

ugh… please don’t support companies that do this. I’d never purchase a pc laptop that didn’t allow ram or ssd upgrades. insanity! I SAY!

the dumbing down and enshittification will only proceed if people buy their products.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

You kind of chose the wrong series laptop to point this out. X series ThinkPad is ultra-portable line where sole focus is on weight and thickness. You can make an argument that memory clip doesn’t weigh a lot, but they really reduce every gram they can. Literally every other series has clip-on RAM.

Even if we ignore RAM, on ThinkPad pretty much everything is replaceable with a single screwdriver. Literally anything. You grab FRU#, find part that matches it and off you go. With Apple it’s ungluing battery, ripping things apart. Hell even keyboard is riveted into the case and you have to drill holes and make threads to replace it. It’s not comparable at the slightest.

vitriolix ,
@vitriolix@lemmy.world avatar

Apple blazed the trail though, really pushed the idea that saving a millimeter by going to glued/soldered on components is a good idea

Valmond ,

It’s to heat up the computer better!

AtariDump ,

Apple wasn’t the first to solder components onto the motherboard.

JackbyDev ,

It’s funny (or sad I guess) that the current generation of laptops are back on mag chargers (I forget what they’re called) instead of USB C. There was never a time when both iPhones and MacBooks used USB C charging.

jj4211 ,

I don’t have one, but I thought the user could either do magsafe or a usb-c to a laptop, either way will charge.

uint8_t ,

you can use either the magsafe or USB-C PD, both works

JackbyDev ,

Sorry, should’ve clarified I meant the one that came with it in the box

macrocephalic ,

The cable that comes in the box is MagSafe, but the power brick is usb-c

JackbyDev ,

Sorry, should’ve clarified I meant the end of the cord that comes in the box that you’re meant to plug into the laptop

PotatoOnceCame ,

Haven’t used that charger since day 1 of receiving my work MBP M1. I just plug it into a Thunderbolt dock that supports usb-pd

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Lately the base model is usually last year’s old pro processors and micro controllers. Next year the base 16 will probably have the faster IO if the trend continues.

irish_link ,

Completely agree. No company redesigns all of their products each year. They redesign the top tier and then its shifts downward the next year. GPU, CPU, Motherboard, hell even cars do this. Not all models included Carplay and Android Auto when it launched, just the high end cars did, but now all of them do.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

USB IO speed aside, Apple’s phones have gotten to the point where 3 and 4 year old chipsets are still VERY performant. They now have the wiggle room to put more bleeding edge silicon in top tier phones, be ok with smaller yields at first, and scale fabrication over the year.

That all being said, given that everyone was going to been eyeing this USB port, they probably should’ve taken one on the chin and changed the stupid IO speed. Although, the people complaining about this probably aren’t Apple’s core market anyway. So maybe they were right.

Rai ,

My XS Maxxx is many many years old at this point and it’s STILL SO FAST!

I’ve also never reformatted it, which is wild.

matthewc ,

I suspect next year’s base will have a revised version of this year’s processor. The iPhone 15 Pro has an A17 Pro. This is the first A Series chip with a “Pro” label. I don’t expect something “Pro” to make it into the base model.

What will change between the A17 Pro and the A17? Who knows. It might include the upgraded USB controller though.

PeterPoopshit ,

Ah, yes last year. Usb 2.0 was invented in, like what, 2001? A shitty phone cpu from 2 years ago is probably at least as powerful as the pentium 4 I had back in the day. Come the fuck on.

briongloid ,
@briongloid@aussie.zone avatar

Even USB3 is 15 years old already.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Just saying that I wouldn’t be surprised if they were reusing some boards or controllers with limited throughput that their manufacturing plants and fabs were already pumping out. Cook got famous for being an operational efficiency nerd that made sure Apple had very little spare parts and inventory on the books.

But yeah, iPhone physical IO speeds have been slow for a looong time. My guess is that so much of Apple’s install base is syncing over the cloud that it hasn’t been a priority.

The biggest applause at the in-person event was, no lie, for the larger cloud storage plans.

TenderfootGungi ,

Exactly. And the usb controller is built into the chip.

Ghostalmedia ,
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    Quark95 ,

    Did you watch the presentation? They literally showed and said the usb controller was part of the A17 Pro SoC

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re right. Good catch.

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    This is Apple at it again, do bare minimum and charge premium. They left USB2 because it required no work, but they had to put type C because EU regulation. Since USB is backwards compatible, solution is just solder half of the connector, charge premium price and fuck you customers. And they are right, people don’t care. Instead they go defending it like “I don’t need it anyway”, “Am not a pro, I don’t need it”, etc.

    audiomodder ,

    Oh good, the weekly “Apple is the worst company in the world” post.

    Virkkunen ,
    @Virkkunen@kbin.social avatar

    Apple makes sure there's no shortage of reasons why we have these weekly posts

    irish_link ,

    I love how these articles happen and are posted and everyone flames at apple.

    This isn’t that different than the Galaxy note 20 not having ultra wide band but the Ultra version does.

    All companies do this, otherwise why have different tiers or different models.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am thrilled they are finally using USB-C. I enjoyed the lightning when if first came out. The only cord at the time you could plug in and there was no up or down, it just want in no matter what orientation. Apple just wanted to charge everyone to use it and they screwed up with that. Now there is a full standard for every device, this is good.

    Apple fan boys and Android fan boys need to chill out. It’s just a phone, not an allegiance.

    Virkkunen ,
    @Virkkunen@kbin.social avatar

    This isn’t that different than the Galaxy note 20 not having ultra wide band but the Ultra version does.

    Are we considering that UWB is as prominent as USB and you'll be using it almost daily with a multitude of devices?

    irish_link ,

    No, that’s a fair point. The Ultra Wide Band is not the same in terms of use and known like USB is. My comparison was meant to be of the chips on the phone. People are arguing that apple is “downgrading” to USB 2.0 but in reality they just aren’t upgrading the A16 chip that is the USB controller. This is similar to the Galaxy Note 20 not having the upgraded chip like the Galaxy Note 20 Ultra. There may be other comparisons that would be more accurate but I remembered this one specifically when I was looking to upgrade Galaxy.

    Polar ,

    I don’t think it’s fair to compare UWB and USB 2.

    One is already an old ass standard. I don’t even know what devices aren’t USB 3 anymore. You actively have to go out of your way to be a dick and downgrade your phone to USB 2.0

    Not to mention the price difference is literally negligible.

    Apple is just being assholes here. They already downgrade the non pro by removing cameras and whatnot. Touching the USB speed is a special kind of fuck you.

    Craftkorb ,

    At apple scale I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that giving everyone the USB 3 chip would reduce overall cost, or that apple is doing the crippling in software or firmware.

    Takumidesh ,

    USB 3 actually has flaws that make some devices functionally useless with USB 3 devices around.

    USB 3 notoriously emits noise in the 2.4ghz radio spectrum, requiring extra precautions and development cost in order to reduce the effect.

    This is often why 2.4ghz mouse and keyboards specifically require USB 2.0 connections.

    I’m not saying that’s why Apple did it, but it isn’t a solved problem in the least and USB isn’t just a no-thought upgrade.

    coffeebiscuit ,

    The processor in de iPhone 15 doesn’t support 3.0 speeds. The one in de pro (different proc) does. The cable of the pro doesn’t support 3.0 speeds. But neither do the cables that come with other brand phones.

    Companies are dicks. Or something…

    irish_link ,

    I agree the comparison between the two in terms of use is not correct or fair even. It was more of a comparison of the chips being included on the phone. I clearly did not do a good job explaining that. I assumed most people would have understood that the A17 pro chip is what is the upgrade and is the controller for the USB vs the A16 that is last years model.

    In a computer the price may be negligible but in a phone is the entire architecture of the chip so its not negligible. I don’t think they are being assholes as much as not spending shit tons of money to redesign and manufacture new processors for the phone when they have old stock that can be used.

    Its a similar model that a lot of companies do, take last years best chip and put it in this years second tier device. I am not saying its great for consumers I am just saying its what is done. Not upgrading a chip is not the same as downgrading it.

    Earthwormjim91 ,

    They didn’t downgrade anything…

    iPhones have the USB controller as part of the SoC. Not a separate controller like the iPads or laptops. They don’t have the space for it.

    The non pro this year is using last years pro chip which didn’t have a USB 3 controller on it. For the non pro they are repinning the port to USB c to repurpose the controller on the chip. But they physically cant add USB 3 to it.

    They also never removed cameras from the non pro model either. Idk where you pulled that from. The XS and XS Max both only had two cameras, and when they went to the iPhone/iPhone Pro model with the 11, the non pro still had two and they added a third for the pro.

    Diabolo96 ,

    I didn’t know what ultra wide band was because i never heard of it and…wow! Are you seriously comparing a very high tech stuff that only started to being added to high-end smartphones since 2019 (i still don’t know what it’s for) to apple forcefully crippling the speed of usb to what it was more than 10 years ago ? That’s whack ! I can’t even start to understand your thoughts process. Other famous company did something that can be considered similar if you tilt your head hard enough ( to stop blood from flowing to the brain that is ) so you see ? the company i love isn’t fucking me sideways like y’all are saying. WTF !??

    irish_link , (edited )

    It seems to be that you are misunderstanding the entire tech concept. There is no “downgrading” the A16 chip from last year’s pro model is the USB controller. They simply aren’t upgrading that chip. It seems that you didn’t read the article and thus didn’t know the processors for the phone are what are controlling the USB. There is no “forcefully crippling the speed of usb” its a simple matter of taking last years top tier chip and putting it in the Second tier phone this year. This is how tech works. You don’t redesign all your products, you redesign the top tier and then move those advancements down the chain next year.

    The comparison was not about a cable vs wifi. It was about the chip on the device as that is the crux of the situation and the pointed out almost at the top of the article.

    No need to be rude or insulting with the blood flowing to the brain comment. Again this seems to be fan boy attitude to shit on “the other side” and be insulting to win the argument. I have no stake in this other than pointing out that people are freaking out and getting upset because they didn’t redesign the phone and architecture for $X to increase the speed of something almost no IOS user even uses.

    An honest question, do you actually use your cord the transfer data from your phone or tablet? Personally I never use the cord on my Galaxy Tab, It easier to use Wi-Fi and a shared folder on my NAS.

    Diabolo96 ,

    the A16 chip from last year’s pro model is the USB controller. They simply aren’t upgrading that chip.

    Glad to know the chip from thei last year flagship phone can only handle a tech that’s more than 10 years olders. Truly a marvel of technology.

    No need to be rude or insulting with the blood flowing to the brain comment.

    Sorry, went overboard there. I had a shitty day and i had discussion with a friend that defended apple like his life depended on it and just dropped the “you just can’t afford it argument”. That plus, my hate toward apple for being the origin of every shitty decision on the phone market like no replaceable battery ,no earphones with the phone, forcing Bluetooth earphones…etc

    An honest question, do you actually use your cord the transfer data from your phone or tablet? Personally I never use the cord on my Galaxy Tab, It easier to use Wi-Fi and a shared folder on my NAS.

    Absolutely. Everyone i know does.

    irish_link ,

    Ahh. Totally understand that kind of day man. Truly I do and what an ASS for making that kind of comment. That can not be defended in any way. Sorry that kind of crap got dumped on you today.

    Yeah the lightning cable only having USB2 speeds sucked since it was never upgraded.

    I completely agree with your assessment of the “innovations”. I remember the conference they got ride of the 3.5 mm headphone Jack and they said “the courage” to do something bold. Bwahahaha. It just means everyone needed to buy an adapter for the accessories.

    In terms of using the cord I guess I am the minority then. Sorry for assuming the other way around.

    Diabolo96 ,

    Understandable.

    Corkyskog ,

    In terms of using the cord I guess I am the minority

    I think you’re probably in the majority, just maybe not people you run into on Lemmy.

    I personally don’t have any family members who ever transfer data with a cable from their phone that I know of. Even at work, I would say only a minority do (although the age demographic is skewed older, so just understanding the phone itself is a big deal).

    Also if you google number of people who use physical connectors to backup data, you get a flood of results asking if it’s even possible lol

    lando55 ,

    I get the point you’re trying to make, and while it’s not a 1:1 correlation, some of the responses you’re getting indicate that non-Apple users can be just as fervent in their views as what would be called “fanboys”.

    I would like to think there is some middle ground here, with Apple having to modify their production timelines to comply with EU mandates, but still keeping in line with past hardware releases. That is to say - yes it sucks that non-Pro models will not have all the latest features, but this is pretty much consistent with the past few production releases.

    ZAX2717 ,

    Exactly I can’t remember the last time I transferred anything to my phone via a cable. Just nice to have one cord for charging.

    MeanEYE ,
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    Good thing you represent everyone in this case then.

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    UWB is 2019 technology which has a very very limited use and even more limited range. USB 2.0 predates iPhones by 4 years and USB3.0 is at this point 15 years old. You’ve been sold polished turd at premium prices and everyone is now stuck with their mouths full defending the move when it reality it’s last years pro hardware shoved into this year’s “new” device with USB type C hacked in to avoid EU ban.

    This has nothing to do with when people last transferred files from their devices or what you like or what you think everyone else will need. This is the case of Apple selling you wheelbarrow at the price of a car and people saying it goes fast downhill and they never wanted to go uphill anyway.

    CurlyMoustache ,
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    My Nothing Phone 1 is USB 2.0

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