There have been multiple accounts created with the sole purpose of posting advertisement posts or replies containing unsolicited advertising.

Accounts which solely post advertisements, or persistently post them may be terminated.

ArchRecord ,

Adblockers are the largest .

Google isn’t just disabling an extension, they’re attacking a boycott comprised of 200,000,000+ people, all around the globe, standing up to forced manipulation of our beliefs and habits by profit-hungry corporations.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

I never thought about it that way. Interesting. Thanks!

Ragnarok314159 ,

If Google presented me with ads for things I might be interested in and in a non-invasive way, wouldn’t mind looking at them at all.

Instead I get ads for the seemingly random shit I have absolutely zero interest in buying. How they are consistently wrong about my spending habits is unbelievable. I have two fucking hobbies! I don’t see ads for anything relating to them. Ever.

pete_the_cat ,

Also, there’s like 10 per webpage, and then you have the damn pop-ups when you scroll 🤬

madcaesar ,

Ad blockers block more than just shitty ads. They also block malicious ads.

theoretiker ,

Sounds like you need to give Google more private information

itsnotits ,

a boycott comprising* 200,000,000+ people

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

You’re correct, and now people will boycott Chrome. Firefox and Brave are good / accessible / easy to get for most people so…

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Google copying mrkrabs lol

GoogleSellsAds ,
@GoogleSellsAds@sh.itjust.works avatar

If you use anything Google, you are the product. This has been pretty obvious since the early 2000’s, yet people dive right into all the crap they release.

Tja ,

Counterpoint: so what? I’m not going to start paying for a search engine, or maps, or the dozen other Google services. Yeah, if I search for a lawn mower I will see lawn mower ads everywhere… and that’s actually better than seeing dishwasher ads or dating site ads.

I use Google since the beginning, and the o ly thing that would make me stop is if the quality of the product goes down (like the recent AI summaries that apparently they show in the US).

StormWalker ,

Actually if everyone paid for software instead it would be very cheap. Maybe like $1. Think about it, it only takes a tiny fraction of the people that use free open source alternatives to make a donation to keep those products going. I use all the alternatives to google. The only google product I use is YouTube. And I find alternatives VERY affordable and voluntary donations mostly. Take for example Microsoft Word and Excel, I switched to LibreOffice 6 years ago. It’s 100% as good. We are here on Lemmy instead of Reddit. And Firefox is every bit as good as chrome. I get it that once your are in the google system it’s hard to get out, and is a lot of learning and work to move over, but daym it feels good once the only google you use is YouTube. Supporting a load of little projects instead of the mighty google feels good also. The alternatives have come a long way. I made I list of alternatives and as a project switched over one by one. I have never looked back and don’t miss all the google demands for phone numbers etc. I am now in control instead of google.

Tja ,

I use Firefox (and chromium and even chrome at work) and lemmy, but nothing comes close to Google search, maps and YouTube content. I tried ddg and openstreet maps, not even close. Partially because of crowd sourced, privacy invading features like location tracking for traffic info. I even pay for YouTube premium, easily the cheapest entertainment around. The ads in the free version is crap because how disruptive they are, and I prefer to pay the creators than use an ad blocker (although new pipe is on my phone and yt-dlg on my computer for videos I really like and want to preserve).

For email Google has features that other clients just don’t, even tho I ran my own server, DNS domain with dkim, etc, I still prefer Gmail for 90% of my emails. Only friends and family get my non-gmail account. Spam filter, calendar integration, mobile Client, threads, consistency, customization…

Same for office. While I do have Libre office installed (and Next Cloud on my server) I mostly use Google Docs. I never know who I will need to share a document with, or open on mobile or somewhere else, Google docs just works.

I also loved Google Reader and used Google domains, but I don’t want to talk about that :D

StormWalker ,

Wow you use a lot of tech! Good share, thanks. I’m with you with Google maps, however check out “Organic Maps” I was very impressed with it (here in the UK) it finds shops and businesses, but no reviews obviously. I still use Google maps most of the time (on a separate phone that lives in the car), but Organic is really impressive, way ahead of the other map apps, definitely one to watch. Paying for YouTube is a great idea. I may do that also actually. I run a server with Mail-in-a-box for email. Yes it is just email basically, but I personally do not need or use more than that. And I love having unlimited aliases that all point to my main email. Also NextCloud is amazing yes. I love NextCloud. The other services you use I just don’t have a need for. But yes google = convenience. I bet there are good alternatives to document sharing. And I use Hover.com for domains.

pete_the_cat ,

Agreed, people always forget that Google is a company or to make money, they don’t provide all of these services out of the kindness of their hearts.

TheTimeKnife ,
@TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world avatar

Google needs to be broken up by government.

ArugulaZ ,

It saddens me to agree with this. Who knew Google would become as oppressive as fucking MICROSOFT?

tahoe , (edited )

« Don’t be evil »

😬😬😬😬

Zacryon ,
@Zacryon@feddit.org avatar

They ditched that in 2018. It was long overdue. At least somewhat honest about themselves.

Grandwolf319 ,

Most smart people who understood capitalism did.

NekkoDroid ,
@NekkoDroid@programming.dev avatar

It really wouldn’t change anything in the long run. Any company that creates a browser is gonna need some form of income and people aren’t willing to pay for a browser. What would be their incentive to continue to work on the browser when they aren’t being paid?

humorlessrepost ,

Same as Firefox. Let search engines (including google) pay them a fair market rate to make them the default browser.

voluble ,

I hear the term ‘broken up’ a lot in media and discourse, but it’s never explained. In your eyes, what actually happens when a government ‘breaks up’ a corporation? I mean, what are the steps, objectives, and outcomes?

Not being adversarial, I’m just curious.

boatswain ,

Not the person you’re asking, but my general understanding is that different products would be required to be their own companies, so advertising, Android, and Chrome would all be separate businesses.

Verat ,

I envision it like AT&T’s break-up, where the singular Google is broken up into regional companies that will (hopefully) have to compete with each other.

kittenzrulz123 ,

Proprietary software sucks, use an open source browser like Librewolf.

Gemini24601 ,
@Gemini24601@lemmy.world avatar

Chromium is technically open source, but yeah, screw Google chrome

kittenzrulz123 ,

I’m aware, however Chromium (or rather Ungoogled Chromium) should only be used if a website doesn’t work on a Firefox based browser.

MagicShel ,

I’m warning Google that Google Chrome may soon be disabled on my devices.

wazzupdog ,

It already is on mine, no trace of chromium or it’s forks.

nexussapphire ,

Discord, slack, bitwarden, steam, Microsoft teams, visual studio code, balena etcher . Anyone else know of any electron apps or heavily modified version of chrome?😄

qupada ,

Teams has switched to Microsoft's own edition of the same concept, "Edge WebView2". Now that Edge is just being Chrome wearing a rubber Scooby Doo mask, I don't expect the differences are vast.

Another fun iteration is Plex's desktop client, which uses QtWebEngine... however surprise! still the Chromium engine underneath.

Signal's desktop app is plain old Electron though.

Of the ones on your list, worth noting that Discord and Slack work fine with FirefoxPWA.

felixwhynot ,
@felixwhynot@lemmy.world avatar

Holy shit I had not heard of Firefox PWA but I will use the shit out of this

KLISHDFSDF ,
@KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml avatar

I use the shit out of Firefox PWA. I just wish Mozilla would get off their asses and make it work out of the box vs having to install a third party app.

nexussapphire ,

I do wish there were more native apps but alternatives to electron is always a good thing in my book.

Except for Microsoft, Microsoft can stop pretending their solution is demonstrably different from electron and chromium.

sinceasdf ,

Discord bitwarden steam and teams all work fine for me in ff, i don’t use the others

dubyakay ,

github.com/gamingdoom/datcord

Works like a charm.

nexussapphire ,

Neat!

can ,

Until you do more than warn they don’t care.

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

Linux Phones and Degoogled Phones surge in response.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Unfortunately for work I may have no choice:-(. Several of our daily work products I’ve tried on Firefox without success. Those also don’t have ads.

I wish there were better alternatives. I may try out LibreWolf but I could not imagine it somehow being easier, though with enough effort put in the end result may be all that matters. Until the first update (possibly forced on the server end even if I don’t on mine) that breaks everything and I cannot do my work for the day, in which case I will absolutely go crawling back to Chrome, bc they have us by the short hairs there.:-(

MagicShel ,

I went through the same thing with MSIE. Corporate mandates and stuff. Businesses are sometimes wrong.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

No, they are always right! (^Especially^ ^when^ ^they^ ^are^ ^wrong…^)

CosmicTurtle0 ,

My company just plain old won’t install Firefox without a good reason.

I’m stuck using chrome or edge. Once the ad block stops working on chrome, I move over.

_pete_ ,

I really hate the corporate IT.

I was at a job that was slowly transitioning from a medium sized company to a larger one, initially we were allowed just install and use whatever on our machines, but gradually IT started implementing policies where if we wanted to add something it had to go through a request system and usually it would be denied.

As a software developer this was just infuriating, it would hold up work, force us to use shitty software (like Chrome and Edge) and there would often be fuck ups where installing a new version of software would require removal of the old one and installation of a new one - which would trigger the approval process again.

Like - I get it - some people can’t be trusted, but we were some of the key devs for the companies product, we know what we’re doing.

I was rather happy to leave that part of the company behind when I left.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Yeesh… I would reconsider working there if possible, but being able to (checks notes) pay rent and afford food and medical care may just make up for it.:-| Hopefully you don’t need to surf the web much at work.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

My company just plain old won’t install Firefox without a good reason.

If you have other potential employers in mind, the IT environment at your current employer and other potential employers is maybe one factor to keep in mind in making decisions as to where to work.

There are some IT policies that are no-gos for me at potential employers. I ask during the interview process.

Matth78 ,

On my work computer I don’t have admin rights but still I could install Firefox with no problems. It installed itself for local user only.

friend_of_satan ,

Use chrome only where you need it.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Prexactly:-)

ColeSloth ,

What pisses me off is how many websites don’t work right with Firefox now. There’s been several times where I’ve had issues with a site functioning on Firefox and had to switch to a chromium browser.

GregorGizeh ,

I read that most sites work just fine if you spoof your user agent to windows and standard chrome

InternetUser2012 ,

That’s what I do and I haven’t had a problem since.

AeroLemming ,

I’ve had some sites bug out on Firefox that I’m pretty sure weren’t really related to Google or Microsoft in any way. I still use Firefox obviously, but it’s annoying.

GregorGizeh ,

The point was that some sites neglect to develop for Firefox, and simply tell Firefox users to get chrome instead. Meanwhile Firefox works in most cases perfectly fine without any doing on the website’s part if it is simply duped into believing that the firefox user is just a plain old chrome user as expected. Doesn’t work for everything, but almost.

AeroLemming ,

Oh yeah, I hate sites that do that.

ayaya ,
@ayaya@lemdro.id avatar

This breaks any site that uses CloudFlare’s Turnstile for me. It will loop forever and never let me through if my user agent is set to Chrome.

noxy ,
@noxy@yiffit.net avatar

Such as?

calamityjanitor ,

The only problem I run into is sites that use Bluetooth or USB APIs to talk to a local device. Both Firefox and Safari don’t implement them due to security concerns.

noxy ,
@noxy@yiffit.net avatar

Ohh yeah, VIA for QMK keyboards is guilty of that shit

ColeSloth ,

T mobiles website is the most recent I had issues with. Navigating to certain pages within t mobiles site would cause “something went wrong” or just a redirect loop.

Supervisor194 ,
@Supervisor194@lemmy.world avatar

This happens very rarely, but it does happen from time to time. When a website starts acting weird out of nowhere I keep a copy of Chrome installed just for that use and then promptly return to Firefox.

gsfraley ,

My insurance site (MyCigna) started working a couple months ago, but for years it failed to log in. It’s those types of contracted apps that seem to fail the most for me, like apps you’d see on a company intranet.

TrickDacy ,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t ever have trouble with that site and always used it in ff

SynonymousStoat ,

I only have Chrome installed for the rare occasion where a site doesn’t work in Firefox. I feel like we’ve gone a bit backwards as of lately in building websites that are browser agnostic.

Caesium ,

I have a friend who sends me tiktoks that refuse to load with firefox on my phone. I consider it a blessing

Feyd ,

Libredirect extension will redirect to public proxitok instances so you could watch them without going to tiktoks site directly

KillingTimeItself ,

proxitok is such a good name holy shit

drspod ,

I see this FUD all the time but nobody ever gives examples. Can you point to some specific sites that don’t work with Firefox?

Dsklnsadog ,
@Dsklnsadog@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It happens to me with some payments stores. Always need to go back to chromium based pos browser

Stoney_Logica1 ,

Costco Travel login page never loads for me in Firefox. Specific sites my kids use for school don’t work either. I wouldn’t say it happens regularly, but often enough to be annoying.

KillingTimeItself ,

dialog boxes will just fuck off. I’ve never gotten webRTC to work properly, though that might be configuration skill issues, and or webRTC implementation skill issues, since it seems to only work on browser, not across two different ones.

I’ve seen sites just load asinine layouts, borked kerning, completely fucked text handling. Just goofy shit.

In some cases i’ve seen sites have no download buttons on firefox. I don’t know why, it’s confused me a few times though.

lapping6596 ,

I have issues with twitch. Given I only watch every 3 months for the POE announcement live stream, I just open brave for that one site. I have not tried to figure out if it’s my setup or not

noodlejetski , (edited )

I’ve been watching Twitch on Firefox for years without an issue, so it’s very likely that the problem is on your end.

ArgentRaven ,

Walmart.com didn’t work for me on FF for about a week, and it did work on edge and chrome (still broken on FF when I disabled all my add ons). However, they fixed it and it works now. I think it was just a problem with the build of the website, and wasn’t intentional because it definitely works now.

I think that’s what’s more likely - temp problems that could affect any browser until their web dev fixes it. Not anything malicious like intentionally blocking a browser.

And then, it’s just Walmart. It’s nothing that really mattered.

MagicShel ,

Something I’ve been on recently. Microsoft Teams maybe?

GustavoFring ,

TradingView

asap ,
@asap@lemmy.world avatar

I use this every day with Firefox and Librefox with no issues.

ColeSloth ,

T-mobile would be the last specific one. I couldn’t navigate to certain pages within to make plan adjustments.

PopOfAfrica ,

Apple Podcasts for me

CarbonatedPastaSauce ,

It’s not FUD but there’s usually more to it than just “Firefox”. Usually has something to do with security plugins. There are sites that do not work properly with Ublock or Noscript installed, even when you turn them off for the site. I’ve experienced it many, many times. It happens to me most often ordering food, because a lot of local restaurants sites are janky as fuck, but I’ve also had issues with more well known sites. Southwest airlines has been problematic for a couple years now. My credit union also had issues with parts of their online banking app, but that thankfully got fixed after a year or two.

TL;DR - it’s a real thing.

Restaldt ,

Microsoft teams

Pizza hut

Most of my utilities online sites

Mubelotix ,
@Mubelotix@jlai.lu avatar

Dev tools were borked on FF for me. Entire tab was blank

diffusive ,

Duolingo

kurap1ka ,

Bambulab store

AWittyUsername ,

The payment provider my local council uses doesn’t work on Firefox, or Safari. I have to use shitty chrome on my phone. I refuse to install it on my computer.

Scrollone ,

Report it on webcompat.com

kill_dash_nine ,

I was worried about this when I originally switched from Chrome to Firefox earlier this year but I can honestly say I haven’t found a single site that I personally use that I had to go back to Chrome for. Any issues I had with any site were related to ad blocking using uBlock or DNS based blocking I also do.

zelnix ,

Start page

beejjorgensen ,
@beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

The local Uber eats clone here has the submit order button off screen. Reuters on Android sometimes has the top bar of the webpage shift down over the content. A video conferencing site used by my medical provider won’t connect the video. The 3rd party comment section on our local news site sometimes lays out the controls off screen. The Lemmy PWA on Android used to crash on startup (recently fixed yay!!)

FF is my daily driver and 99% of things work fine, but I’ve definitely found a few sites where they clearly didn’t test it. I still have Chrome installed for those rare occasions I need it.

And I don’t even necessarily blame Firefox for this. I used to do web dev back in the day and I remember making my shit work across multiple browsers. Maybe Firefox is doing it right and Chrome is doing it wrong, but everybody targeted Chrome because it has a zillion percent of the market.

SynonymousStoat ,

Firefox has been, and still is, my primary browser since before Chrome even existed so, definitely not FUD. Also, it’s generally not Firefox’s fault either, but instead the developers of websites that don’t work in Firefox are usually doing something that isn’t standards compliant.

First to come to mind is that I can’t log into the account management part of the pet boarding company I use when in Firefox. Another scenario is that a lot of movie streaming sites won’t give Firefox video higher than 720p so in that case, Edge is often the only browser that can receive 1080p video. From my understanding the movie studios are the ones to blame for this.

nullpotential ,
@nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I use firefox and keep Chrome on my PC for this reason. Off the top of my head:

I can’t use Siyuan correctly, my main editor, in Firefox. It only registers the initial backspace key press.

I do telehealth, and the voice/video will not work in firefox no matter what I try.

Live-reloading for Ruby on Rails projects doesn’t seem to work on firefox.

DeadNinja ,
@DeadNinja@lemmy.world avatar

I just read about this extension today. Seems interesting. The description says It’s supposedly doing more than just switching the UA.

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/…/chrome-mask/

mryessir ,

Does this happen in you work environment or on your private managed system? I raise this question because I started to realize that governing firefox apparently is a hard task. Never did I experience a faulty site on my private desktop devices but on my work stations. Im currently running firefox 115.13.0esr.

ColeSloth ,

My home system. I’m not doing any extra security on it, either.

mryessir ,

You shouldn’t be required to do so. You also neglected my presumption. Thank you for replying.

danafest ,

I was recently trying to add tickets from ticketbastard to Google wallet to be able to use them offline. I have chrome disabled on my phone. Surprise surprise it doesn’t work with any other browser except chrome. The ticketbastard app just throws an error and nothing happens. Took me a lot of searching to realize it was because chrome was disabled.

buddascrayon ,

I guess it’s a good thing I’m on Firefox now instead of Chrome.

Blackmist ,

Sadly I’m far more attached to ad blocking than I am to a browser.

stellargmite ,

I guess you want the internet to be a place for finding useful information, and/or the entertainment you choose to access, over it being a long uninteruptable stream of infomercials for crap products you have no interest in? Then groogle is not for you. In fact groogle is not for humanity.

Buddahriffic ,

Frankly, at this point I might even be more attached to blocking ads than browsing.

chalupapocalypse ,

Will a pihole fill this void?

adarza ,

i’ve got a few using the mv3 ‘lite’ version of ubo here. seems to be sufficient–for now.

iturnedintoanewt ,
@iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee avatar

Not at the same level. Ublock can remove way more granular spam and ads than pihole, which is limited at DNS requests. I use both… Running Firefox of course.

KillingTimeItself ,

its also available on firefox, de manifested version of chromium are likely to crop up, idk. Depends on how cancer it is to rip that shit out.

TheOneCurly ,

Re-manifested? To fix it you have to reenable manifest v2. That should be simple for a while but will get more problematic over time.

KillingTimeItself ,

de v3 versions, obviously. Mozilla has no intentions of implementing it, and if chrome kills v2, it’s not impossible that mozilla can hit them with an anti trust case and win, considering this is arguably what that would be.

But it will probably start to break on individual shitty websites over time, as per usual unfortunately.

Wiz ,

Switching to Firefox might!

chalupapocalypse ,

I’m already on Firefox, I just meant in general

JovialSodium , (edited )

To an extent. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all if sometime in the near future they force the use their own DNS servers within their browser instead of respecting your network configuration.

The best solution to circumventing Chrome’s bad behavior is to not use it.

Edit: speiling

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

Man you gotta edit this again, you miss spelled spelling.

MutilationWave ,

You misspelled misspelled.

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

I’m just living up to my username!

Oneironaut21 ,

Glad I’ve finally migrated to firefox…

shimdidly ,

I’m not worried about this at all. I don’t use Chrome anyways. I use Brave. It has a built-in ad blocker that works pretty well and I don’t see that going away.

person420 ,

Here’s the concern with Brave since it’s Chromium based:

For as long as we’re able (and assuming the cooperation of the extension authors), Brave will continue to support some privacy-relevant MV2 extensions—specifically AdGuard, NoScript, uBlock Origin, and uMatrix

source

My emphasis, not theirs

Evilcoleslaw ,

I don’t really use Brave as I don’t want to support the Chromium/Blink/V8 monopoly, but aren’t it’s built-in “Shields” functionally equivalent to uBO but not reliant on the extension APIs?

person420 ,

Probably, hopefully, who knows for sure. That’s the problem with using an open source project run by a corporation.

masquenox ,

Chrome who?

jol ,

It’s an outdated fork of Safari, i think.

VantaBrandon ,

Could turn out to be a good thing. All power users will dump Chrome practically overnight, a huge boon to the alternatives, that could actually give them enough momentum to compete with Google for a change. I’m sure they’ve considered this, probably an empty treat.

JackbyDev ,

I’m not sure how wide the intersection of power users that use uBO but also haven’t heard of the manifest v3 deprecation coming since like 2019 actually is, but that could be because I’m the type of person to randomly recommend browsers to people and discuss them a lot.

pyre ,

me too. a long time ago i practically forced everyone around me to switch to chrome. now I’m doing the opposite.

ghterve ,

I for one have been in denial and probably won’t switch away until it literally stops working. So, there’s hope.

GoogleSellsAds ,
@GoogleSellsAds@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s pretty optimistic, as tons of power users are still eating that Windows crap, too.

trafficnab ,

Every browser is either chromium (open source captured by Google) or exists because of a Google search contract (this represents 80% of Mozilla’s revenue), Google can’t lose

madis ,

For other Chromium browsers or those who don’t see this yet, enable chrome://flags#extension-manifest-v2-deprecation-warning.

the_toast_is_gone ,

Sadly, this won’t stop Google from killing off Manifest V2.

GoogleSellsAds ,
@GoogleSellsAds@sh.itjust.works avatar

Google’s core business is selling ads. So anything that aligns with selling ads is the path they’ll take. Their users are the product.

trafficnab ,

Chrome really needs to be broken off from Google, the largest ad company owning the largest browser is clearly a huge conflict of interest

ArbitraryValue ,

Bring back Internet Explorer.

KrapKake ,

I don’t think I’ve seen that sentence.

Death_Equity ,

It’s 2024, madness rules these times. Witness the fall of Rome, heralded by a blue “e”.

cm0002 ,

I would rather eternally sign my soul over to Chrome-hell than spend 5 minutes with Internet Explorer ever again

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

That’s one way to say that you like the smell of lead-based gasoline.

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

You spelled Netscape Navigator wrong.

cactopuses ,

I mean that’s just Firefox :p

ArbitraryValue ,

Netscape Navigator is spelled “Firefox”.

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

I tried to look that up on Alta Vista but kept getting a 404 for that site.

tiredofsametab ,

As someone who started in tech support in 2000 and is a software developer now: absolutely not.

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