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autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Reddit user Woopinah9 spotted a notification “while in the middle of working,” where Microsoft thanks Windows 10 “customers” for their loyalty with a full-screen message and then explains the end of support date.

“Your PC is not eligible to upgrade to Windows 11, but it will continue to receive Windows 10 fixes and security updates until support ends on October 14th, 2025,” reads Microsoft’s message.

The options to dismiss the full-screen interruption include “learn more” and “remind me later” buttons, which suggests that this prompt might appear more than once.

Surprisingly, Microsoft’s full-screen prompt doesn’t directly mention that consumers will be able to continue securely using the operating system beyond October 14th, 2025, if they’re willing to pay.

Microsoft revealed last week that it will cost businesses $61 per device for the first year of Extended Security Updates (ESU) for Windows 10.

Hopefully, non-business users of Windows 10 will get similar discounts, but Microsoft says it will share details “at a later date.”

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SomeGuy69 ,

I guess I’ll have to pirate security updates at some point, huh?

gentleman , (edited )
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How long will we be able to use 10 after EOL? Would companies immediately stop updating their apps?

knightly , (edited )
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As long as you want, assuming that you’re fine with the security risks and everything that’s rendered incompatible in the future.

gentleman ,
@gentleman@sh.itjust.works avatar

To be honest, Windows 7 is best Windows for me but no existing applications can be used on it. So I hope I can use Windows 10 until game compatibility on Linux passes the threshold I’m looking for :)

helenslunch ,
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What threshold are you looking for and when was the last time you tried it? I don’t even think about it anymore.

metaStatic ,

if you're running a single instance of a game it's already there. (I multibox so fuck me I guess)

if you're waiting for native support it's a chicken and egg scenario, your best bet is to switch asap and show developers there's a market.

Gormadt ,
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Depending on your game preference it may be already there in some aspects

Basically it depends on the kind of anticheat the game has

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’ve seen POS systems in local burrito shops still running Windows 7… native, not a VM…

bigkahuna1986 ,

I saw a bottle return machine running Windows 98.

RmDebArc_5 ,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

I worked in a company which ran everything down to MS-DOS

SnotFlickerman ,
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Two years ago I quit a company that was using a database (with sensitive user PII like social security numbers in the db) accessible via unencrypted TELNET. Not SSH, TELNET. I’m not fucking shitting you.

I worked there for one week and was like “fuuuuuuuuuuck this” and lied and said I had a better offer and tendered my resignation. I wasn’t part of the IT department and I wasn’t going to go down for an incompetent IT department.

AnonStoleMyPants ,

Yup. Currently working at a company that has machines still running ms-dos due to them being critical and still working fine.

Well they’re fine until you can’t find replacement parts on Ebay anymore.

frauddogg ,
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The voip call manager in my last shop was running off win95.

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    bigkahuna1986 ,

    Don’t a lot of gas pumps still run on MS-DOS?

    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    We? I think most of us are not using Windows 10. Or Windows 11. Or Windows.

    reddig33 ,

    Are they spamming people with this on computers they know don’t meet system requirements?

    ilinamorato ,

    You better believe they are. I get it about every other month, and my laptop doesn’t meet those requirements.

    FaceDeer ,
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    Did you read the article? The popup warns users about it, yes. It's a good thing to let them know there won't be more security updates for their OS.

    pete_the_cat ,

    And 90% of home windows user don’t give a damn.

    FaceDeer ,
    @FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

    How is that Microsoft's fault? Should they be forcing users to care, somehow? The warning is already getting people angry as it is.

    pete_the_cat ,

    People don’t care and they see any pop-up it’s an annoyance and they immediately close it. I once had a student ask why is wasnt allowing her to download something. I asked her to show me what she was doing…as soon as the security warning for “do you want to save or cancel the file?” And then complain that it was broken.

    reddig33 ,

    I can see your point. Warning the user once is probably enough.

    Sprawlie ,

    You would be amazed.

    At work we provide popup notifications for a week when a users password is close to expiring

    They still miss it and need to call helpdesk

    SuperSpecialNickname ,

    I turned off secure boot and didn’t get any popups for windows 11 ever

    Infernal_pizza ,
    @Infernal_pizza@lemmy.world avatar

    You might at some point, you don’t actually need secure boot turned on for Windows 11 your PC just needs to be capable of secure boot and use UEFI mode rather than legacy boot

    SuperSpecialNickname ,

    Well that isn’t good. I hope I can get by with Linux

    stanleytweedle ,

    I’m not a marketing person but maybe they should try making an OS people actually want.

    ilinamorato ,

    They do this every 4-5 years. Nobody is ever bothered enough to cause a problem for Microsoft’s bottom line.

    captain_aggravated ,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I don’t remember anyone being excited for a version of Windows since 7. 8 and 8.1 were universally hated, a lot of people clung to 7 until they absolutely had to upgrade to 10, and now they’re clinging to 10 as long as they can. I seriously doubt there’s an upcoming release of Windows people will genuinely like and want, because there’s no money in doing that.

    ilinamorato ,

    Yeah, but even before that…people were only excited about 7 because of how much of a dumpster fire Vista was. And prior to XP (which Vista replaced), most people didn’t care about OS versions at all.

    neo ,
    @neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space avatar

    8.1 was fine imo, but not really worth an upgrade from 7 unless it was free.

    dgriffith ,

    Win10 with Classic Shell is good enough for me… Until I have to dig into the control panel and dick around with any network settings harder than “hurrr durrr SSID and password goes here”. Luckily Simple IP Config does all the heavy lifting for me on that front.

    But hey, having to use third party utilities to make my OS usable is just The Microsoft Way at this point.

    captain_aggravated ,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I have way less patience for it than you do; I bailed out a few weeks into owning a Windows 8.1 laptop. I’ve been a full time Linux user for 10 years now.

    nossaquesapao ,

    I wonder if no one in the head of such a big company wonders if the fact that an increasing amount of people not wanting to move to their newer versions means that they’re maybe, you know, just maybe, doing something that people don’t want?

    captain_aggravated ,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    They don’t care as long as their software is quasi-mandatory.

    captainlezbian ,

    I was excited for 10. I had 8 on my college laptop

    jaykay ,
    @jaykay@lemmy.zip avatar

    We need to wait for the next version, 12 or wherever. Every other Windows version is “good”

    ilinamorato ,

    Yeah, it definitely has the Star Trek movie curse.

    Each only in comparison to its predecessor, though. I still think Windows 7 was the last version to get out of its users’ way and just let them use their computer; everything since then has been worse than 7 in some subtle way.

    TheBat ,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    They do. It’s called Windows 10 LTSC.

    HughJanus ,

    Why would they do that when people use this one all the same?

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    pete_the_cat ,

    You think the average Windows user cares about security or updates? I’ve worked in IT for over a decade and I can tell you that the average person doesn’t give a damn.

    Wooki ,

    Yup.

    they do care about money.

    Doing nothing is a very real probability. PCs have very real competition as well. Buying a cheap Apple air is now a great alternative to Microsoft Windows for people scared of linux. M3 processor is great and the devices cheap.

    XTL ,

    1300-2000 €. They wouldn’t be cheap if you cut off a digit from the price.

    hitmyspot ,

    I ownder if its a tactic to get people, or mainly businesses to upgrade no so they are still in the windows ecosystem. They won’t want to pay for windows, so making it seem like their computer is outdated and should be upgraded is not a bad strategy. If a movement of converting to Linux starts, many users might leave. For good.

    EldritchFeminity ,

    It’s good except for the fact that Windows 11 is tied to a piece of hardware level security of supposedly nebulous benefit to your average home user. So tons of computers that would otherwise be fine are going to end up being entirely replaced and turned into e-waste instead because their motherboard doesn’t have a TMP chip on it.

    But that’s an issue with Microsoft requiring TMP for Windows 11, not them telling people that they’re gonna stop getting stuff like security updates.

    blindsight ,

    I wonder if there’s a debloated version of Windows 11 that removes the TPM requirement…

    Regardless, I’m this | | close to switching to Linux; I just need to make sure I can get OneDrive and full MS Office running in Linux reliably, since I need both for work. The Steam Deck has convinced me that I don’t need Windows anymore for gaming, so it’s only work holding me back. (Work pays me a stipend to maintain my own work computer hardware, so I do work on “my” machine.)

    Edit: Looks like it’s actually pretty easy to do.

    bitfucker ,

    If you are fine with the older office suite (2019 I believe), there is a codeweaver program called crossover. They are the teams that make WINE a reality and they have a one version license so you can own it forever. Or yeah, you can also use VM.

    blindsight ,

    Nice, thanks! 2019 should be good enough; the guides I was looking at were suggesting much older versions for WINE compatibility.

    I just need to look into OneDrive, now.

    bitfucker ,

    Yeah, that is if I remember it correctly. But I do remember installing a modern office suite back then using crossover. They also have trials so you can test your target program is indeed running as it should before buying.

    SnotFlickerman ,
    @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I have never received one of these screens with this One Neat Trick:

    I disabled the TPM in UEFI settings.

    https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/0f34b125-baf9-4ec6-aa62-e08d3c2ab01a.png

    Beautiful.

    paraphrand ,

    Aww your poor wittle pc is unhealthy! It just needs some rest and some fluids.

    rdri ,

    It’s cool while it works. But these options are not going to be provided forever in newer hardware. Recent example I saw is the absense of AHCI option in new laptops (you now need additional drivers just to reinstall Windows manually). We need to keep developing software solutions to software problems.

    DoucheBagMcSwag ,

    This is the fucking way

    VeganCheesecake ,
    @VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Aren’t you using the TPM for full disk encryption, though? Or are you entering your BitLocker Password at every boot?

    vox ,
    @vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

    also windows 10 requires tpm for passkeys

    EngineerGaming ,
    @EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

    I use full-disk encryption on my Debian, and I honestly don’t see what’s wrong with entering your passphrase on boot.

    VeganCheesecake ,
    @VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    There doesn’t have to be anything wrong with it, though I seem to remember that BitLocker isn’t all that difficult to break if your passphrase isn’t long enough. I just found it a bit weird because unlocking via TPM very much feels like the standard solution under Windows.

    nao ,

    Sounds like a good idea to disable a security feature to not be reminded of the EOL of the software you’re using /s

    melpomenesclevage ,

    In the 90s this was hacker shit. You’d do this shit to, like, break into the pentagon or something.

    Fucking cringe cyberpunk; everybody’s a hacker, because theres no other way to see your fucking calendar.

    Matriks404 ,

    Oh it looks like your PC is not supported because you turned off single option in UEFI. Go to this link and buy your new Windows 11 PC today!

    frogmint ,

    Aren’t these screens from the article specifically for unsupported devices, like those without TPM?

    Mane25 ,

    Is it not disgraceful that you have to use a trick so some third party company doesn’t install software you don’t want on your hardware? I think that’s appalling!

    AcidOctopus ,

    I see Linux in my future, as I just don’t have the cash for a new rig.

    I have to be careful though, as it’s my family PC, and the rest of my family aren’t going to tolerate much of a learning curve. It really needs to just work out of the box.

    Considering Zorin OS. Hopefully I can get it on my SSD next to Windows so I can dual-boot for a while to test the water…

    pete_the_cat ,

    You’d be better off installing Linux on another drive if you’re going to dual boot. Windows loves to mess with the EFI boot partition which ends up borking the Linux bootloader.

    If your family does more than just browse the web, there’s definitely going to be a bit of a learning curve, it’s possible though. I converted my 73 year old father to Linux after he used Windows for 25 years.

    AcidOctopus ,

    Ah really? I could put it on the hard drive, but the whole point of the SSD was for it to take the OS… Will have to think on that.

    They generally don’t do more than browse the web so I’m not anticipating any major issues. I used to game on it, but it’s so old now I’ve stopped using it for games.

    Maybe I’ll put it on a usb for a while instead of dual booting.

    pete_the_cat ,

    I meant installing Linux itself on another drive, but having the EFI System Partition on another drive could work theoretically.

    Anticorp ,

    If you install the Linux bootloader on a separate partition from the Windows bootloader, then it’s trivial to repair it, but that might be a bit advanced for a basic user.

    GregorGizeh ,

    I have been wanting to make the switch to Linux myself, and have done a bit of research on which to try for a beginner coming from windows. However the dual boot dangers are worrying me a bit, I dont want to nuke my windows installation just yet and only test the waters.

    I have an SSD with windows on it and another with most of my programs and files. Could I partition the latter for a Linux installation or would I risk windows messing with it anyway?

    captain_aggravated ,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Installing Linux on a separate drive is probably a better bet. I’ll admit I didn’t have much trouble with it, but I dual booted Windows 8.1 with Linux, not 10, and my understanding is it has only gotten fuckier.

    In either case you may wish to “test the waters” by installing and running Linux in a virtual machine or on a thumb drive at first, to take it for a test drive and see if you can live with it.

    pete_the_cat ,

    Yep, in fact, installing it on a different drive completely would probably be your safest bet 😉 Windows may still mess with it, but if it has its own EFI System Partition, it should hopefully leave the one for Linux alone.

    Anticorp ,

    Go with Pop! Pop! Is a great OS and has pretty much everything working right out of the box. Go with Gnome so that people understand they need to do things slightly different rather than trying to use a Linux machine like a Windows machine. Plus Gnome is just awesome. Hit the windows key, type the first couple letters of the program you want to open, hit enter, done! The Pop shop has almost everything an average user would need, so you can install things with the click of a button without having to search the Internet, and updates are a hands off affair.

    Edit: since you’re not a Linux user I’ll clarify Gnome. Gnome is a desktop environment, and Pop is the actual operating system. In Linux you can change how your computer interface looks and works by choosing different desktop environments(DE). A variation of Gnome is the default DE for Pop, and it works great. KDE would be the DE most similar to Windows, but it has enough differences that it can frustrate Windows users. Gnome is completely different, so they’ll take the time to figure something out rather than just getting frustrated that it’s different. Besides, the learning curve on Gnome is basically zero. Just use the Windows key and start typing. It’s literally that simple.

    captainlezbian ,

    I’ll counter that when I tried gnome it was so far it was frustrating while KDE took some adjustment but it worked like a de was supposed to work in my brain. And gnome wasn’t as easily customizable as kde

    Anticorp ,

    Yeah, no recommendation will work for everyone. My advice was just based on observation of new Linux users and the challenges I see them complaining about. I’m glad you found something that works for you.

    captainlezbian ,

    Oh absolutely, I just wanted to share because some people will see that and think “if gnome is easier and I hated it then I shouldn’t bother with KDE”. Nah if you don’t like gnome try KDE or cinnamon. Everyone is different, that’s why there are multiple major des.

    captain_aggravated ,
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Go with Mint rather than Zorin.

    Gormadt ,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I use Linux Mint on a bunch of my machines

    In general it’s pretty painless

    I still have a Windows machine but I’m hoping to fix that soon

    pete_the_cat ,

    Can Microsoft be any more annoying?

    I had to laugh when I searched for “Vivaldi” in Edge on a new installation and Bing said “There’s no reason to switch to a new browser!”

    Anticorp ,

    There are tons of reasons. Their insistence that there are no reasons is a good example of a reason.

    FigMcLargeHuge ,

    How about when you have to update your machine and it goes through the “setup” which is just disguised ads for services like microsoft 365? That’s pretty annoying.

    anticurrent ,

    Win 11 will eventually replace win 10, just as win10 replaced win7, they are just desperate to reach their target before releasing windows 12.

    Anticorp ,

    Windows 10 was the last Windows version for me. I’m done. I’m done with the spying, and the ads, and the hidden admin options spread across 5 different locations, and the registry, and the bugs, and the viruses, and just their whole shit show. Linux 4 lyfe.

    AlexWIWA ,

    It’s just the spying for me. If it wasn’t for the spying and ads then I’d still be a Windows die-hard. If my OS was just an OS then I wouldn’t feel the need to switch to Linux

    Anticorp ,

    Yeah, the other things are just annoyances. But the ads and the spying are deal breakers for me. They’re our fucking computers, not Microsoft’s! They’ve got a lot of fucking nerve thinking they can just shove ads into our native OS. That’s literally how adware, which is classified as malware, has been classified for all of Windows history. But now they’re doing it themselves? Get fucked, Satya!

    magic_lobster_party ,

    You missed Windows 8, which never replaced Windows 7

    Moobythegoldensock ,

    Windows 12 is scheduled to release before Windows 10 goes EOL. At this point, those who haven’t switched are better off just waiting to see if 12 is decent or it’s shittier than 11. If it’s the latter, it might be time to finally ditch Windows on my gaming PC.

    Anticorp ,

    They have been doing this for at least a year now. They have one that tries to trick you into thinking that it was already updated and you have to finish setting it up. It takes several clicks on tiny hidden buttons to escape it. There’s no option to tell it to fuck off forever. They’ll pester you again a couple weeks later.

    Wooki ,

    dark design or fraud design should be fineable.

    Anticorp ,

    Dark patterns were outlawed years ago, but the FTC has to enforce it. My guess is that Microsoft either designed it in such a way that it barely meets the requirements, or they figured it won’t matter because even if they get caught, the fine will be less than their savings/profit.

    metaStatic ,

    they don't bother me

    probably because they would have to back down of pretending they require specific hardware I'm not going to buy.

    SuiXi3D ,
    @SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

    I installed Atlas OS on my Windows 10 machine and I don’t get any of this shit.

    casmael ,

    What’s that like then

    SuiXi3D ,
    @SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

    Just strips out most of the bullcrap that MS won’t let you uninstall.

    Gormadt ,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    So you’re running windows without system updates, without restore points, AND without windows defender?

    That’s pretty daring raw dogging the internet like that

    SuiXi3D ,
    @SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

    …I have all of that enabled.

    Gormadt ,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    When I looked into it the first thread I found about it mentioned that those were disabled

    But looking back at it the thread was from a year ago

    Buelldozer ,
    @Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

    At the Office it’s my employers problem and at home Mint doesn’t give AF about Windows 11.

    Vendetta9076 ,
    @Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

    If epic didn’t suck ass and actually wanted to support EAC on Linux I already would have switched.

    Rainman ,

    Epic will continue to suck ass and chances are that they will get even worse some day. Don’t let yourself be chained to Microsoft because of Epic. I know it’s hard to let beloved games go, but there are so many other titles of better companies than epic that deserve your attention.

    Vendetta9076 ,
    @Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

    It ain’t me. Its my wife lol. But you right.

    jjjalljs ,

    My computer doesn’t meet the requirements so I guess I’ll just not.

    Dogs_cant_look_up ,

    Yeah new cpu and mobo is way down my list of important expenditures right now.

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