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tooLikeTheNope , (edited )

Got to say they convinced me at last and I finally upgraded.
…to linux

Never.Going.Back.

SynopsisTantilize ,

Yep. The other day it rewrote a registry key that prevented these pop ups. I’m out. Debating which Debian distro to go to now.

Custodian1623 ,

Debian 12 itself isn’t bad

tooLikeTheNope , (edited )

I tried a few, Fedora, LMDE(Linux Mint Debian Edition), and EndeavourOS.

I’d say LMDE if you want a rock solid system, being fundamentally Debian Stable with Mint treatment for user friendliness, or Endeavour if you want bleeding edge updates (and of course bragging rights to join the meme by saying “BTW I use arch”)

JasonDJ ,

I gotta say, I’ve distro hopped a lot over the years…finally caved to try EndeavorOS and it’s my new favorite, if only for the AUR.

RandomException ,

Same! I started with Ubuntu back in the days and was shocked how weirdly bad it is nowadays when I was forced to use it at my current project with the client’s laptop. I mean the happy path is still all fun and easy but after having Ubuntu installed, it’s almost like a Windows experience trying to get stuff installed vs. having AUR available :D

melpomenesclevage ,

Debian is the slow reliable. Go with mint for easy, Debian for completely foss, pop! OS for eaay nvidia drivers, or Ubuntu for… Uh… Ubuntu.

jkrtn ,

Ubuntu is good for if you want Snap packages forced on you. It is a shame, Ubuntu was my first distro, but I don’t think I would ever use it again.

floofloof ,

I recommend OpenSuse Tumbleweed if you want stuff to be very up to date (we got the xz backdoor first! yay!) but also easy and stable. And KDE Plasma is pretty good these days. Linux Mint is also good but it’s a bit slower with the updates.

HughJanus ,

The other day it rewrote a registry key that prevented these pop ups.

This is what drove me away. There are like 7 people that figured out how to make these pop-ups disappear and Microsoft invested money to “patch” that “error” to ensure they were forced to continue seeing these ads.

Revan343 ,

I like Mint

iliketurtles ,

I like mint. Everyone says it beginner friendly, like in a bad way, but stuff just working sounds good to me.

Hadriscus ,

Yea I installed it for my wife and she never has to second guess anything, she knows where to find what she’s looking for and whatever it is, it just works. It’s weird that this feels almost off, right ? stuff “just working”

RandomException ,

I have to give huge thank you to Valve for making gaming on Linux actually a valid option. I’ve been mainly a Linux user since 2006 but always had to have a dual-boot setup for gaming. Seeing the progress on Proton, I decided a year or two ago that Windows 10 was going to be the last one I’ll have on my PC and since my SSD died a couple of months ago, I didn’t even bother to preserve the Win10 installation anymore.

Funnily enough on my front page, the next link below this post was “Microsoft starts testing ads in the Windows 11 Start Menu”. I think that pretty much sums it up why I don’t want to even try to mess with the thing anymore. It’s been a good run and Windows has improved A LOT since XP days but oh dear god all the data harvesting nowadays…

AcidOctopus ,

I see Linux in my future, as I just don’t have the cash for a new rig.

I have to be careful though, as it’s my family PC, and the rest of my family aren’t going to tolerate much of a learning curve. It really needs to just work out of the box.

Considering Zorin OS. Hopefully I can get it on my SSD next to Windows so I can dual-boot for a while to test the water…

pete_the_cat ,

You’d be better off installing Linux on another drive if you’re going to dual boot. Windows loves to mess with the EFI boot partition which ends up borking the Linux bootloader.

If your family does more than just browse the web, there’s definitely going to be a bit of a learning curve, it’s possible though. I converted my 73 year old father to Linux after he used Windows for 25 years.

AcidOctopus ,

Ah really? I could put it on the hard drive, but the whole point of the SSD was for it to take the OS… Will have to think on that.

They generally don’t do more than browse the web so I’m not anticipating any major issues. I used to game on it, but it’s so old now I’ve stopped using it for games.

Maybe I’ll put it on a usb for a while instead of dual booting.

pete_the_cat ,

I meant installing Linux itself on another drive, but having the EFI System Partition on another drive could work theoretically.

Anticorp ,

If you install the Linux bootloader on a separate partition from the Windows bootloader, then it’s trivial to repair it, but that might be a bit advanced for a basic user.

GregorGizeh ,

I have been wanting to make the switch to Linux myself, and have done a bit of research on which to try for a beginner coming from windows. However the dual boot dangers are worrying me a bit, I dont want to nuke my windows installation just yet and only test the waters.

I have an SSD with windows on it and another with most of my programs and files. Could I partition the latter for a Linux installation or would I risk windows messing with it anyway?

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Installing Linux on a separate drive is probably a better bet. I’ll admit I didn’t have much trouble with it, but I dual booted Windows 8.1 with Linux, not 10, and my understanding is it has only gotten fuckier.

In either case you may wish to “test the waters” by installing and running Linux in a virtual machine or on a thumb drive at first, to take it for a test drive and see if you can live with it.

pete_the_cat ,

Yep, in fact, installing it on a different drive completely would probably be your safest bet 😉 Windows may still mess with it, but if it has its own EFI System Partition, it should hopefully leave the one for Linux alone.

Anticorp ,

Go with Pop! Pop! Is a great OS and has pretty much everything working right out of the box. Go with Gnome so that people understand they need to do things slightly different rather than trying to use a Linux machine like a Windows machine. Plus Gnome is just awesome. Hit the windows key, type the first couple letters of the program you want to open, hit enter, done! The Pop shop has almost everything an average user would need, so you can install things with the click of a button without having to search the Internet, and updates are a hands off affair.

Edit: since you’re not a Linux user I’ll clarify Gnome. Gnome is a desktop environment, and Pop is the actual operating system. In Linux you can change how your computer interface looks and works by choosing different desktop environments(DE). A variation of Gnome is the default DE for Pop, and it works great. KDE would be the DE most similar to Windows, but it has enough differences that it can frustrate Windows users. Gnome is completely different, so they’ll take the time to figure something out rather than just getting frustrated that it’s different. Besides, the learning curve on Gnome is basically zero. Just use the Windows key and start typing. It’s literally that simple.

captainlezbian ,

I’ll counter that when I tried gnome it was so far it was frustrating while KDE took some adjustment but it worked like a de was supposed to work in my brain. And gnome wasn’t as easily customizable as kde

Anticorp ,

Yeah, no recommendation will work for everyone. My advice was just based on observation of new Linux users and the challenges I see them complaining about. I’m glad you found something that works for you.

captainlezbian ,

Oh absolutely, I just wanted to share because some people will see that and think “if gnome is easier and I hated it then I shouldn’t bother with KDE”. Nah if you don’t like gnome try KDE or cinnamon. Everyone is different, that’s why there are multiple major des.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Go with Mint rather than Zorin.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I use Linux Mint on a bunch of my machines

In general it’s pretty painless

I still have a Windows machine but I’m hoping to fix that soon

reddig33 ,

Are they spamming people with this on computers they know don’t meet system requirements?

ilinamorato ,

You better believe they are. I get it about every other month, and my laptop doesn’t meet those requirements.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

Did you read the article? The popup warns users about it, yes. It's a good thing to let them know there won't be more security updates for their OS.

pete_the_cat ,

And 90% of home windows user don’t give a damn.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

How is that Microsoft's fault? Should they be forcing users to care, somehow? The warning is already getting people angry as it is.

pete_the_cat ,

People don’t care and they see any pop-up it’s an annoyance and they immediately close it. I once had a student ask why is wasnt allowing her to download something. I asked her to show me what she was doing…as soon as the security warning for “do you want to save or cancel the file?” And then complain that it was broken.

reddig33 ,

I can see your point. Warning the user once is probably enough.

Sprawlie ,

You would be amazed.

At work we provide popup notifications for a week when a users password is close to expiring

They still miss it and need to call helpdesk

SuperSpecialNickname ,

I turned off secure boot and didn’t get any popups for windows 11 ever

Infernal_pizza ,
@Infernal_pizza@lemmy.world avatar

You might at some point, you don’t actually need secure boot turned on for Windows 11 your PC just needs to be capable of secure boot and use UEFI mode rather than legacy boot

SuperSpecialNickname ,

Well that isn’t good. I hope I can get by with Linux

AlexWIWA ,

They could convince me to update by making windows 11 not suck.

n3m37h ,

By reworking windows 7 to work with new hardware

AlexWIWA ,

God I’d cry if I could get windows 7 supported again

wuphysics87 ,

You could probably install linux bare metal on your computer, and daily drive windows 7 in a vm. Good luck getting compatible software anymore, but if you can, create an image and you are set for the foreseeable future

AlexWIWA ,

Actually not a bad idea. A lot of games I play actually run better on 7 than on 10.

Or I could reskin mint to be Windows Aero

Secret300 ,

Every pop up just convinced me to switch to Linux lol

AlexWIWA ,

Same. My next build will be Linux. Just distro shopping right now.

Secret300 ,

Haha felt that. I jumped from distro to distro constantly then finally settled in fedora after trying it a 2nd time

stanleytweedle ,

I’m not a marketing person but maybe they should try making an OS people actually want.

ilinamorato ,

They do this every 4-5 years. Nobody is ever bothered enough to cause a problem for Microsoft’s bottom line.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t remember anyone being excited for a version of Windows since 7. 8 and 8.1 were universally hated, a lot of people clung to 7 until they absolutely had to upgrade to 10, and now they’re clinging to 10 as long as they can. I seriously doubt there’s an upcoming release of Windows people will genuinely like and want, because there’s no money in doing that.

ilinamorato ,

Yeah, but even before that…people were only excited about 7 because of how much of a dumpster fire Vista was. And prior to XP (which Vista replaced), most people didn’t care about OS versions at all.

neo ,
@neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space avatar

8.1 was fine imo, but not really worth an upgrade from 7 unless it was free.

dgriffith ,

Win10 with Classic Shell is good enough for me… Until I have to dig into the control panel and dick around with any network settings harder than “hurrr durrr SSID and password goes here”. Luckily Simple IP Config does all the heavy lifting for me on that front.

But hey, having to use third party utilities to make my OS usable is just The Microsoft Way at this point.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I have way less patience for it than you do; I bailed out a few weeks into owning a Windows 8.1 laptop. I’ve been a full time Linux user for 10 years now.

nossaquesapao ,

I wonder if no one in the head of such a big company wonders if the fact that an increasing amount of people not wanting to move to their newer versions means that they’re maybe, you know, just maybe, doing something that people don’t want?

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

They don’t care as long as their software is quasi-mandatory.

captainlezbian ,

I was excited for 10. I had 8 on my college laptop

jaykay ,
@jaykay@lemmy.zip avatar

We need to wait for the next version, 12 or wherever. Every other Windows version is “good”

ilinamorato ,

Yeah, it definitely has the Star Trek movie curse.

Each only in comparison to its predecessor, though. I still think Windows 7 was the last version to get out of its users’ way and just let them use their computer; everything since then has been worse than 7 in some subtle way.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

They do. It’s called Windows 10 LTSC.

HughJanus ,

Why would they do that when people use this one all the same?

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I have never received one of these screens with this One Neat Trick:

I disabled the TPM in UEFI settings.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/0f34b125-baf9-4ec6-aa62-e08d3c2ab01a.png

Beautiful.

paraphrand ,

Aww your poor wittle pc is unhealthy! It just needs some rest and some fluids.

rdri ,

It’s cool while it works. But these options are not going to be provided forever in newer hardware. Recent example I saw is the absense of AHCI option in new laptops (you now need additional drivers just to reinstall Windows manually). We need to keep developing software solutions to software problems.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

This is the fucking way

VeganCheesecake ,
@VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Aren’t you using the TPM for full disk encryption, though? Or are you entering your BitLocker Password at every boot?

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

also windows 10 requires tpm for passkeys

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

I use full-disk encryption on my Debian, and I honestly don’t see what’s wrong with entering your passphrase on boot.

VeganCheesecake ,
@VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

There doesn’t have to be anything wrong with it, though I seem to remember that BitLocker isn’t all that difficult to break if your passphrase isn’t long enough. I just found it a bit weird because unlocking via TPM very much feels like the standard solution under Windows.

nao ,

Sounds like a good idea to disable a security feature to not be reminded of the EOL of the software you’re using /s

melpomenesclevage ,

In the 90s this was hacker shit. You’d do this shit to, like, break into the pentagon or something.

Fucking cringe cyberpunk; everybody’s a hacker, because theres no other way to see your fucking calendar.

Matriks404 ,

Oh it looks like your PC is not supported because you turned off single option in UEFI. Go to this link and buy your new Windows 11 PC today!

frogmint ,

Aren’t these screens from the article specifically for unsupported devices, like those without TPM?

Mane25 ,

Is it not disgraceful that you have to use a trick so some third party company doesn’t install software you don’t want on your hardware? I think that’s appalling!

funky_rodent ,
@funky_rodent@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Well sadly my laptop is not supported for update 🤷

I’ll wait for it to day and get a proper Linux supported device:)

Till then, I’ll fly my w10

NauticalNoodle ,

IMO it’s their loss.

eugenia ,
@eugenia@lemmy.ml avatar

What exactly is not supported on linux?

wuphysics87 ,

If it is like mine, it’s the update itself. It says something like hardware not supported and gives you a big ol’ Fuck You

funky_rodent ,
@funky_rodent@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Wicked processor freezing while switching into power saving (idle cpu-modes) modes, workes fine if I disable these, but then it’s always on full power

Have tried a lot, is a pain

SuperSpecialNickname ,

This might be a bit off topic but I hate how you can’t dismiss these kind of messages and be done with them, instead you have confirmation or remind me later. They just keep pestering you and I find that insulting. The same thing with Google play pass whenever I install something, that damn popup keeps coming back.

VanHalbgott ,

What’s wrong with Windows 10?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

The ads

anothermember ,

I’m used to hearing about how a lot of people are put off of Lemmy because of all the “Linux” people on it, “people pushing Linux”, “elitists”, etc.

And yet I see something like this and think “are we not supposed to give good advice?”.

If is the kind of thing you want for your computing then go for it.

hydrospanner ,

I think it’s mostly that it comes across more like religious proselytizing than “good advice”.

Also, that “advice” is mixed in with just as much messaging about how fussy it can be and implications that you’ve got to basically be an enthusiast level user to make it work for you. Not that it necessarily is that way, but overall that’s the messaging I see from this community.

As someone who tried Linux many years ago, disliked it, and went back to Windows, generally my take is that Windows is far from perfect, but it’s the best option for me, and I’m happy to try and ignore the Lemmy buzz around it…but that buzz just gets more and more annoying over time.

wuphysics87 ,

Take it on good faith that I won’t bible beat you. I’m genuinely curious. What are things about windows that are ‘far from perfect’ as you put it? What would you do to change them, and if you could wave a magic wand and change whatever you want, what would you change?

anothermember ,

On self-reflection I’ll admit that there’s a bias experienced by people, like me, who live in the Linux bubble, surrounded by people who are happy Linux users, to overestimate the eagerness of other people to be on board. It’s also easy to forget when you’re on a general Technology community like this one, where a lot of people are talking about Linux, that it’s not everyone is a Linux person.

In fact I don’t even really detect much of a “Lemmy buzz” around it mainly because I participated in Linux-y parts of Reddit, and other places, before now. If anything from my point of view there seems to be more resistance to it on Lemmy.

It could be that having used it for nearly 20 years I’ve lost my ability to fathom why it would be difficult. But that said, both my parents use Linux and are non-technical users - they were fed up with windows crap like in OP so they asked me to set it up for them and it’s been 5 years now trouble free. So even if you do need to be an enthusiast-level user to make it work, you only have to know one. What I still stand by is that it’s good advice for most users.

HKayn ,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

It’s unsolicited advice.

It would be like you posting about a minor annoyance with Minecraft, and then having multiple people tell you to ditch it and play Minetest instead.

wuphysics87 ,

That’s not an apt comparison

anothermember ,

I don’t know anything about Minecraft but if Minetest is an appropriate replacement without that minor annoyance I would suggest that’s solicited advice.

nossaquesapao ,

I see they’re getting desperate. One year and half to eol, and still, according to statcounter, 69% of the world uses windows 10.

Sianna ,

…nice

HobbitFoot ,

I would have upgraded if they didn’t include the UI changes. I don’t know why Microsoft keeps trying to make these big UI changes given that they have a built-in audience of power users that have optimized since XP.

Hadriscus ,

I think it’s a way to justify the update. It’s probably really about telemetry and hardware control, but normies see the centered taskbar and subconciously go “this must be new technology”

jol ,

The desperation. UPGRADE TO 11. ALSO USE BING. AND EDGE. COPILOT TOO PLS.

casmael , (edited )

I think now that I’ve moved most of my photo editing to my Mac and steam has propelled gaming on Linux into ‘very reasonable’ territory, it might be time to actually just ditch the ol’ windows. Only issue is I have an nvidia gpu atm unforch.

Sprawlie ,

I’ve fully moved to Linux with a 3080ti. Only non functional feature is HDR but that’s mostly a Linux issue

I went with PopOs and have had a pretty smooth experience

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

vrr and tpm passkeys are also missing which is a bummer since i recently started using both and already used to them

utopiah ,

Only issue is I have an nvidia gpu atm unforch.

Not an issue, been gaming with a 2080ti and 4090 for a while now, just works for me, including in VR on “Windows only” games.

utopiah ,

Edit : link to a (strange) thread with a bit more detail lemmy.ml/comment/10195095 but the TL;DR being that NVIDIA drivers do work and ProtonDB literally “changed the game” during those very last years.

emmie ,

I wish I wasn’t a vr gamer sometimes so I could unsubscribe from this os permanently

utopiah ,

Quite curious, I’m a VR gamer (and developer) and so far I’ve just had no problem with Proton and SteamVR, including for officially non supported games.

emmie , (edited )

I am too far into nvidia windows things. I run really extreme games with 4090 and tons of mods. Unreal, unity, blender all that stuff. If there is one thing that windows does okay it’s my use case.

I guess they have me right where they want 😂

Also I am not sure if virtual desktop works on Linux

utopiah ,

I have 4090 and 2080ti setups running both games and AI models, Blender, etc on Linux so I’m not sure where the problem is there.

I’m not saying you should switch if you don’t want to, I’m only saying for my use cases it’s not only possible but wasn’t a problem and has been stable for years, both for gaming, in VR or not (was playing BG3 just an hour ago), and for 3D/XR work.

emmie ,

Cmon Linux NVidia drivers are garbage. You can’t possibly run everything to the same extent or performance. Not to mention ray tracing etc. Let’s not delude ourselves or try to peddle some fiction unnecessarily

utopiah ,

Genuinely confused here, are you saying I didn’t play BG3, HL:A, etc on my Linux desktop and I just dreamt for last few years?

emmie , (edited )

I am saying you played stuff that happened to run okay and not some other use cases where it struggles. I must probably take your word and pretend that it is true in some way even though everything I know about VR nvidia experience on Linux disagrees with your comment.

Bg3 or alyx is not a good example. Rather consider skyrimvr 1000 mods and cyberpunk pathtraced.

It’s just how it is when megacorp pours money into compatibility with one ecosystem and specifically refuses to provide support for another. It could work amazingly if they only had minuscule amount of goodwill

utopiah ,

Don’t believe, check how countless others are doing it www.protondb.com I’m not sure where your experience comes from and that’s a shame it’s been a negative one (and I won’t dig into why, e.g how you did try and when), it just hasn’t been mine.

PS : I wouldn’t consider a game with 1000 mods a “normal” gaming experience. It sounds like it’s yours, and that’s perfectly fine, but I don’t believe this to be representative.

emmie , (edited )

My use case is extreme as I stated before I think? I thought 4090 is enough indication of extreme tbh and that you wouldn’t want to run 3/4 supported Linux with a card like this.

I am definitely not an average gamer. There is nothing average about 4090 and VR. Not to mention elaborate expensive router setup for wireless VR.

utopiah ,

Except that’s my point though, I even started with that… I do have a 4090 also and use it to play VR on Linux. That part IS a “normal” experience. It’s the 1000mods that isn’t. To clarify I mention BG3 and HLA only because it’s AAA. I also play indie VR games on Linux and they “just work”. One of them being built by a friend who was even positively shocked to learn that.

I brought ProtonDB up in the previous post, is that due to the SteamDeck running Linux (but on AMD, not NVIDIA) there has been a huge effort on Valve’s part to make the compatibility layer “just work” so the experience a gamer had with Linux just few years ago is not the same as today.

Another source beside ProtonDB tomshardware.com/…/three-gaming-focused-linux-ope… even though I find benchmarks to be a bit artificial at least not my opinion against another.

emmie ,

I don’t know what’s your point honestly. Great if you have fun then that’s cool.

I just like to use the best tool for the job at hand and that happens to be windows in this case.

utopiah ,

In YOUR case, my point is precisely that you please don’t discourage others who might want to use Linux to play, including in VR, including on high end hardware, to have outdated beliefs.

emmie ,

I don’t really subscribe to any belief system or ideology based software choice. I guess feel free to round the rough edges as you preach your favourite software. We are all a little biased on the best days

utopiah ,

Not sure what to say… you’re the one who said “I wish I wasn’t a vr gamer sometimes so I could unsubscribe from this os permanently” then I should you its possible then you try to argue with me it’s not. It’s weird. Stopping now as I don’t think it’s productive for either of us, take care.

Moobythegoldensock ,

“We tried asking. We tried begging. We tried bullying. We even tried tricking people into upgrading. We tried everything short of actually making a usable OS!”

tetris11 ,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

“Please people, please… just give us your money. We might leave you alone after that. For a while.”

jkrtn ,

I understand how it is possible for an OS to interrupt one’s use of one’s own computer to beg for money or to install spyware. I don’t understand how such an OS would still have users.

floofloof , (edited )

If I didn’t have to use it for work, and if Ableton Live made a Linux version, I’d never use Windows again. Every single activity is interrupted by messages that are effectively adverts for things you’re not interested in. The Start menu still doesn’t work after 29 years of development. Searching for a file is ridiculously slow and doesn’t find the file. Everything else is also slow, all the time. I have given up trying to arrange my desktop icons because they always go back to the same position they’ve been stuck in for months. All the applications hang, and the whole system has frequent unresponsive moments where God knows what it’s doing but it’s nothing I asked for. I dual boot into Linux and it feels like an oasis of peace.

jkrtn ,

Oh yeah, sorry, didn’t mean to rag on people that have to work with it. I think we’re all frustrated that it’s still so pervasive even though it gets worse every year.

Valmond ,

Check out “everything” for windows, it finds files, all files, instantly. And it’s free.

If I worked at Microsoft, on windows, I’d be so ashamed I wouldn’t tell.

floofloof ,

I use Everything. It is a thousand times more useful than Windows’s file search, even though it only indexes filenames, not file contents.

dan1101 ,

Surely more AI will fix it!

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