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andrew_s ,
@andrew_s@piefed.social avatar

I've seen 'Active / Passive' used, that seems alright. There's plenty of alternative terms to use without borrowing terminology from sexual roleplay.

Anyway, the Sub is supposed to be the one that's actually in control for this kind of thing (otherwise you'd just be in an abusive relationship), so that confuses things when you start trying to applying it elsewhere.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I’m the passive one in my relationship.

cdf12345 ,

Top and bottom

macaro ,

Power bottoms would like a word with you.

Revan343 ,

Hopefully more than a word

j4k3 ,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

Current is flowing when probing the shunt. It’s getting a little hot

SomeoneSomewhere ,

The issue is acronyms; there’s millions of products, schematics, datasheets, and manuals that refer to them as MISO and MOSI with no further explanation. Any new standard that doesn’t fit runs into the 15-competing-standards problem, and ought to be followed by an “AKA MISO” every time it’s used.

CrimeDad ,

Just have to find synonyms that begin with the same letters, possibly in different languages.

superkret ,

Other countries all use the English terms.
Except for the French, probably.

Revan343 ,

I’ll always like Primary/Secondary.

Chocrates ,

I thought the connotation was chattel slavery, not BDSM.

copd ,

Also pub/sub is already estsblished and used as common computing abbreviations

cacheson ,

the Sub is supposed to be the one that's actually in control

This is a myth, presumably meant to be reassuring to subs that are new to BDSM, at the expense of risk awareness. In principle the sub is no more "in control" than the dom is, and in practice they are often significantly less so.

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks ,

Anyway, the Sub is supposed to be the one that’s actually in control for this kind of thing

I think there’s a better way to put that. It’s often called a power exchange. Both people involved can rescind consent at any time, and there’s also negotiation that happens before scenes to set up expectations and limits, but I don’t know too many subs that want to be in control of a scene. My experience is they want to give up control in a way that is safe.

Fades , (edited )

No it doesn’t sound bad, words don’t need to be thrown away forever just because they’ve been used to describe unfair treatment. I’m so sick of having to relabel so many things that are so far divorced from the social issues they are used to describe. It’s so pointless and has no impact, the code doesn’t care which is master and which is the slave for they are simply descriptive labels.

Are we supposed to never use the words master or slave ever again?? What’s next?

My dev friends, no matter their race, all say the exact same thing. We still use master over main, come at us I guess.

Rentlar ,

Right? I get that langauge evolves and things go in and out of fashion, but this self-censoring for things completely unrelated to the original or derogatory meanings is kind of a pointless exercise to me.

FlorianSimon ,

Honestly, while the controversy is incredibly stupid, it’s not something to get worked up about. Not good for your heart 😜

You don’t have to relabel anything, just keep using old names for old stuff and maybe consider switching to main for your next GitHub project? It’s honestly not that big of a deal.

Paraponera_clavata ,

This

ScreamingFirehawk ,

It’s all good and well until you start working in a repo that has both master and main branches for some reason, and it is not clear which is actually the master/main branch.

MummifiedClient5000 ,

Then you’re working in an idiotic repo. You could just as well have have a master and an actual_master branch. Similar idiocy.

SirQuackTheDuck ,

A place I used to work at had that… The corp had rolled out a non-delete policy with something akin to *master, so when someone made a abrv_master branch it got protected and couldn’t be deleted anymore.

Sinthesis ,

unfair treatment.

We’re talking about slavery here.

sick of having to relabel

It’s not that hard…to be accommodating.

divorced from the social issues

from your point of view

the code doesn’t care

You’re right. Call it a controller and agent. I know naming is hard, but we’re smart enough to apply our lexicon.

never use the words master or slave ever again? What’s next??

Ah, the slippery slope fallacy.

We still use master over main

The default for new repositories on GitHub has been main for awhile now. You would have had to put in effort to change it to something else. You’re a stick in the mud.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Fuck I don’t get your downvotes, you’re right. I get people want to vent but in the greater scheme of things having to use different words to be a smidge more inclusive isn’t that big of a deal or effort considering what some of us do to help our friends be accepted.

Phoenix3875 ,

The problem with these token activism is that it’s hollow in content. The intent might be good, but the action is almost pure virtue signalling.

Slavoj Zizek pointed out in multiple interviews that there’s a pervert self-reflectiveness in the self-censorship: privileged people “enjoy” being guilty of their privilege, so it’s more about themselves rather than the people they claim to represent. “Sorry, but you were naive and unaware of people being racist when they use these words, so let me stop them and now you are protected (by me) in an inclusive atmosphere.”

A related radical freedom situation as an inverse to the above is that when friends get really close, even using racist slurs is treated as a representation of intimacy, rather than racism. In an ideal world, the context in the public discourse would be so strong that even racist words lose their racist meaning (“oh, so you are joking as well”) rather than the opposite (assuming there’s ubiquitous racism in the use of a word, even when there’s clearly none).

Another critique is that it presents itself as a substitute of real solutions. Instead of addressing real problems, it provides a simple “everyday” solution, very much similar to the recycling movement. Of course we need to recycle, but we should be aware that it’s not a substitute of radical real actions (e.g. stopping the big oil).

Lost_My_Mind ,

I remember back in the late 90s being in college. I brought my girlfriend to class one day. She raised her hand after the professer was explaining Master/Slave roles. Keep in mind, I’m white. She’s black. She’s not enrolle

d in this class AT ALL.

So the professer sees this, and says “Yes, you there, girl I’ve never seen in 4 months of this class”

And all she said was “Master and Slave drives? That sounds sexy!”

The whole class facepalmed.

BearOfaTime ,

Or just use the existing terms. People will find issues with just abuut anything.

osaerisxero ,

Leaving aside the problematic nature of the existing terms, the result was that people actually thought a little more about the relationships the things had and started using better/more precise terminology for the relationships: primary/secondary, active/hot/cold, parent/child, etc.

Net positive all round.

Mellow12 ,

Woah there. You’re using about 25% more of your brain than the rest of the internet. We’re gonna need you to tone that reasonability down a bit.

I look forward to setting up my next polyamorous network connection. I can wait for the commands nmcli con choke me daddy ens1 thrupple0

osaerisxero ,

Still easier than getting multicast working

fruitycoder ,

This exactly. M/S ment nothing to me messing with HDDs as a kid.

It arguably only makes sense in a control node/ worker node context, but worker is obvious enough in that context.

BarrierWithAshes ,
@BarrierWithAshes@fedia.io avatar

Yeah this will just piss off the anti-porn/right-wing/tradcath(?) types instead of leftist/neolib/anti-racist types.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Dom drive: “Daddy”

Sub drive: “UwU”

0laura ,

Nya

Cap ,
@Cap@kbin.melroy.org avatar

We've been using Master/Bater down at the church.

wesker ,
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Big spoon/Little spoon

Teddy ,

I’ve seen publisher/subscriber out in the wild.

QuarterSwede ,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not bad actually.

peopleproblems ,

Gotta be careful with that one when talking data streams though.

A pub/sub pattern implemented for message queue flow is available in most cloud (and on prem) solutions.

IzzyScissor ,

Yeeter/yoinker

Phoenix3875 ,

Yeeter/Yeetee

s38b35M5 ,
@s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

Primary/secondary?

KeepFlying ,

I have my primary, and my secondary, and my secondary secondary.

Leader/follower works though.

usrtrv ,

That doesn’t make sense depending on the context. New I2C standard switched to controller/target for example. This conveys that one device is controlling the other devices.

s38b35M5 ,
@s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

My suggestion doesn’t make sense in the classic PATA sense either, since there were potentially several “slave” devices, but they weren’t slaves so much as dependent on the “master.”

Sinthesis ,

Parent/child(ren)(s)

kate ,

i saw main/clone for storage once

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Boss/Minion

HootinNHollerin ,

With PCBs it’s mother/daughter

Brkdncr ,

Im not having much luck getting top/bottom accepted at my job.

Treble ,
@Treble@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Too ambiguous- bottoms are kings.

Empricorn ,

What’s wrong with primary/secondary or main/alternate!?

joyjoy ,

Leader / Follower

QuarterSwede ,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the one I naturally came up with too.

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