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okamiueru ,

Until proven otherwise, I assume either ignorance or malicious intentions by those who want to rename these “problematic” terms. It does nothing to improve the actual issues.

The false pretense of having done something, is worse than doing nothing. It’s just noise.

HootinNHollerin ,

With PCBs it’s mother/daughter

IzzyScissor ,

Yeeter/yoinker

Phoenix3875 ,

Yeeter/Yeetee

Fades , (edited )

No it doesn’t sound bad, words don’t need to be thrown away forever just because they’ve been used to describe unfair treatment. I’m so sick of having to relabel so many things that are so far divorced from the social issues they are used to describe. It’s so pointless and has no impact, the code doesn’t care which is master and which is the slave for they are simply descriptive labels.

Are we supposed to never use the words master or slave ever again?? What’s next?

My dev friends, no matter their race, all say the exact same thing. We still use master over main, come at us I guess.

Rentlar ,

Right? I get that langauge evolves and things go in and out of fashion, but this self-censoring for things completely unrelated to the original or derogatory meanings is kind of a pointless exercise to me.

FlorianSimon ,

Honestly, while the controversy is incredibly stupid, it’s not something to get worked up about. Not good for your heart 😜

You don’t have to relabel anything, just keep using old names for old stuff and maybe consider switching to main for your next GitHub project? It’s honestly not that big of a deal.

Paraponera_clavata ,

This

ScreamingFirehawk ,

It’s all good and well until you start working in a repo that has both master and main branches for some reason, and it is not clear which is actually the master/main branch.

MummifiedClient5000 ,

Then you’re working in an idiotic repo. You could just as well have have a master and an actual_master branch. Similar idiocy.

SirQuackTheDuck ,

A place I used to work at had that… The corp had rolled out a non-delete policy with something akin to *master, so when someone made a abrv_master branch it got protected and couldn’t be deleted anymore.

Sinthesis ,

unfair treatment.

We’re talking about slavery here.

sick of having to relabel

It’s not that hard…to be accommodating.

divorced from the social issues

from your point of view

the code doesn’t care

You’re right. Call it a controller and agent. I know naming is hard, but we’re smart enough to apply our lexicon.

never use the words master or slave ever again? What’s next??

Ah, the slippery slope fallacy.

We still use master over main

The default for new repositories on GitHub has been main for awhile now. You would have had to put in effort to change it to something else. You’re a stick in the mud.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Fuck I don’t get your downvotes, you’re right. I get people want to vent but in the greater scheme of things having to use different words to be a smidge more inclusive isn’t that big of a deal or effort considering what some of us do to help our friends be accepted.

Phoenix3875 ,

The problem with these token activism is that it’s hollow in content. The intent might be good, but the action is almost pure virtue signalling.

Slavoj Zizek pointed out in multiple interviews that there’s a pervert self-reflectiveness in the self-censorship: privileged people “enjoy” being guilty of their privilege, so it’s more about themselves rather than the people they claim to represent. “Sorry, but you were naive and unaware of people being racist when they use these words, so let me stop them and now you are protected (by me) in an inclusive atmosphere.”

A related radical freedom situation as an inverse to the above is that when friends get really close, even using racist slurs is treated as a representation of intimacy, rather than racism. In an ideal world, the context in the public discourse would be so strong that even racist words lose their racist meaning (“oh, so you are joking as well”) rather than the opposite (assuming there’s ubiquitous racism in the use of a word, even when there’s clearly none).

Another critique is that it presents itself as a substitute of real solutions. Instead of addressing real problems, it provides a simple “everyday” solution, very much similar to the recycling movement. Of course we need to recycle, but we should be aware that it’s not a substitute of radical real actions (e.g. stopping the big oil).

AlexWIWA ,

I think manger / worker is a pretty easy one. It gets hard though because both of these terms are already used for class names everywhere.

Chocrates ,

It is changing, albeit slowly. In git the default branch was changed from master to main.

In high availability we use primary and secondary, or many other versions of the same idea (main/secondary, etc).

Not sure how disks are handled these days but I haven’t seen the master/slave terminology in those since my first CD burner

yesman ,

That’s all fine and good for computer science, but if Master/Slave terminology is canceled, who’s going to tell the philosophy department?

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Boss/Minion

Brkdncr ,

Im not having much luck getting top/bottom accepted at my job.

Treble ,
@Treble@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Too ambiguous- bottoms are kings.

Cap ,
@Cap@kbin.melroy.org avatar

We've been using Master/Bater down at the church.

Empricorn ,

What’s wrong with primary/secondary or main/alternate!?

Limonene ,

I’ve seen “Domain Controller” and “Subscriber” for the sake of plausible deniability.

In the case of SPI, they want to keep intact the names MISO (master in, slave out) and MOSI. So they use things like “Main” and “Sub”.

lolola ,
@lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

We’re already using that on the org chart.

BlucifersVeinyAnus ,

Tab A; Slot B

BearOfaTime ,

Or just use the existing terms. People will find issues with just abuut anything.

osaerisxero ,

Leaving aside the problematic nature of the existing terms, the result was that people actually thought a little more about the relationships the things had and started using better/more precise terminology for the relationships: primary/secondary, active/hot/cold, parent/child, etc.

Net positive all round.

Mellow12 ,

Woah there. You’re using about 25% more of your brain than the rest of the internet. We’re gonna need you to tone that reasonability down a bit.

I look forward to setting up my next polyamorous network connection. I can wait for the commands nmcli con choke me daddy ens1 thrupple0

osaerisxero ,

Still easier than getting multicast working

fruitycoder ,

This exactly. M/S ment nothing to me messing with HDDs as a kid.

It arguably only makes sense in a control node/ worker node context, but worker is obvious enough in that context.

BarrierWithAshes ,
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Yeah this will just piss off the anti-porn/right-wing/tradcath(?) types instead of leftist/neolib/anti-racist types.

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