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andrew_s ,
@andrew_s@piefed.social avatar

I've seen 'Active / Passive' used, that seems alright. There's plenty of alternative terms to use without borrowing terminology from sexual roleplay.

Anyway, the Sub is supposed to be the one that's actually in control for this kind of thing (otherwise you'd just be in an abusive relationship), so that confuses things when you start trying to applying it elsewhere.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I’m the passive one in my relationship.

cdf12345 ,

Top and bottom

macaro ,

Power bottoms would like a word with you.

Revan343 ,

Hopefully more than a word

j4k3 ,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

Current is flowing when probing the shunt. It’s getting a little hot

SomeoneSomewhere ,

The issue is acronyms; there’s millions of products, schematics, datasheets, and manuals that refer to them as MISO and MOSI with no further explanation. Any new standard that doesn’t fit runs into the 15-competing-standards problem, and ought to be followed by an “AKA MISO” every time it’s used.

CrimeDad ,

Just have to find synonyms that begin with the same letters, possibly in different languages.

superkret ,

Other countries all use the English terms.
Except for the French, probably.

Revan343 ,

I’ll always like Primary/Secondary.

JackFrostNCola ,

Agreed.
Also active/passive gets confusing crossing over into electronics where they already mean something.

Chocrates ,

I thought the connotation was chattel slavery, not BDSM.

copd ,

Also pub/sub is already estsblished and used as common computing abbreviations

cacheson ,

the Sub is supposed to be the one that's actually in control

This is a myth, presumably meant to be reassuring to subs that are new to BDSM, at the expense of risk awareness. In principle the sub is no more "in control" than the dom is, and in practice they are often significantly less so.

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks ,

Anyway, the Sub is supposed to be the one that’s actually in control for this kind of thing

I think there’s a better way to put that. It’s often called a power exchange. Both people involved can rescind consent at any time, and there’s also negotiation that happens before scenes to set up expectations and limits, but I don’t know too many subs that want to be in control of a scene. My experience is they want to give up control in a way that is safe.

SpaceCadet ,
@SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar

I’ve seen ‘Active / Passive’ used, that seems alright

That’s not always an accurate description though.

Consider a redundant two node database system where the second node holds a mirrored copy of the first node. Typically, one node, let’s call it node1, will accept reads and writes from clients and the other node, let’s say node2, will only accept reads from clients but will also implement all writes it receives from node2. That’s how they stay in sync.

In this scenario node2 is not “passive”. It does perform work: it serves reads to clients, and it performs writes, but only the writes received from node1. You could say that node2 slavishly follows what node1 dictates and that node1 is authorative. Master/slave more accurately describes this than active/passive.

There’s plenty of alternative terms to use without borrowing terminology from sexual roleplay.

Do I have news for you …

Thorny_Insight ,

It only sounds bad to the fringest of the fringe that’s deceivingly loud on twitter. Good luck trying to find even one real person thinking those terms should be changed. This kind of stuff is why people vote for Trump.

Cryophilia ,

We had one guy at work like this. He was laughed out of the meeting.

CluckN ,

The place I’m at changed all of its documentation to student/teacher instead of master/slave.

Fades , (edited )

No it doesn’t sound bad, words don’t need to be thrown away forever just because they’ve been used to describe unfair treatment. I’m so sick of having to relabel so many things that are so far divorced from the social issues they are used to describe. It’s so pointless and has no impact, the code doesn’t care which is master and which is the slave for they are simply descriptive labels.

Are we supposed to never use the words master or slave ever again?? What’s next?

My dev friends, no matter their race, all say the exact same thing. We still use master over main, come at us I guess.

Rentlar ,

Right? I get that langauge evolves and things go in and out of fashion, but this self-censoring for things completely unrelated to the original or derogatory meanings is kind of a pointless exercise to me.

FlorianSimon ,

Honestly, while the controversy is incredibly stupid, it’s not something to get worked up about. Not good for your heart 😜

You don’t have to relabel anything, just keep using old names for old stuff and maybe consider switching to main for your next GitHub project? It’s honestly not that big of a deal.

Paraponera_clavata ,

This

ScreamingFirehawk ,

It’s all good and well until you start working in a repo that has both master and main branches for some reason, and it is not clear which is actually the master/main branch.

MummifiedClient5000 ,

Then you’re working in an idiotic repo. You could just as well have have a master and an actual_master branch. Similar idiocy.

SirQuackTheDuck ,

A place I used to work at had that… The corp had rolled out a non-delete policy with something akin to *master, so when someone made a abrv_master branch it got protected and couldn’t be deleted anymore.

ScreamingFirehawk ,

It only takes one person to fuck it up. I agree it’s stupid, but introducing a conflicting standard increases the chances of someone fucking it up in the name of progressiveness. Needless to say I killed off the main branch that someone one had tried to make to replace the master branch.

Sinthesis ,

unfair treatment.

We’re talking about slavery here.

sick of having to relabel

It’s not that hard…to be accommodating.

divorced from the social issues

from your point of view

the code doesn’t care

You’re right. Call it a controller and agent. I know naming is hard, but we’re smart enough to apply our lexicon.

never use the words master or slave ever again? What’s next??

Ah, the slippery slope fallacy.

We still use master over main

The default for new repositories on GitHub has been main for awhile now. You would have had to put in effort to change it to something else. You’re a stick in the mud.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Fuck I don’t get your downvotes, you’re right. I get people want to vent but in the greater scheme of things having to use different words to be a smidge more inclusive isn’t that big of a deal or effort considering what some of us do to help our friends be accepted.

Tyoda ,

The default for git repositories is still master. Not to be the “real programmers only use CLI” guy, but I feel like git init isn’t too hipster.

Phoenix3875 , (edited )

The problem with these token activism is that it’s hollow in content. The intent might be good, but the action is almost pure virtue signalling.

Slavoj Zizek pointed out in multiple interviews that there’s a pervert self-reflectiveness in the self-censorship: privileged people “enjoy” being guilty of their privilege, so it’s more about themselves rather than the people they claim to represent. “Sorry, but you were naive and unaware of people being racist when they use these words, so let me stop them and now you are protected (by me) in an inclusive atmosphere.”

A related radical freedom situation as an inverse to the above is that when friends get really close, even using racist slurs is treated as a gesture of intimacy, rather than racism. In an ideal world, the context in the public discourse would be so strong that even racist words lose their racist meaning (“oh, so you are joking as well”) rather than the opposite (assuming there’s ubiquitous “hidden” racism in the use of a word, even when there’s clearly none).

Another critique is that it presents itself as a substitute of real solutions. Instead of addressing real problems, it provides a simple “everyday” solution, very much similar to the recycling movement. Of course we need to recycle, but we should be aware that it’s not a substitute of radical real actions (e.g. stopping the big oil).

pop ,

No one told you to throw away anything. If it works for you then go wild. No one else cares what you do in private or a with your “dev friends”.

I for one love shorts words to get meaning across. “main” was just sweet, the social issue thing was a good to have.

SpaceCadet ,
@SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar

master over main

That one is the most stupid one too, because master in git doesn’t even refer to a master/slave relationship. It refers to a different meaning of the word master, namely “an original from which copies can be made”, as in master recording or master key. And that’s how it’s used in git: any new branches are derived from master. Main just does not have the same nuance, because it does not imply a relationship between the branches, just that it’s somehow more important than the others.

But of course, the real reason it was changed is because it’s easier to give in to the crazies who demand this than to fight them.

aodhsishaj ,

Is it not the main working branch? Git is a system of change not just recording change. When you start a new project, do you open a new branch or create a whole new repository? That’s not rhetorical I’m genuinely curious.

sumguyonline ,

My user name on all my PC’s(non root) is literally Master, my PC’s are all Slave, slave1, slave2. I will fight to keep them that way. I am also extremely anti slavery for sentient creatures. Words matter in the context of their intent. Dumbing down of the language by forcing alternate uses of a word to mean something other than its obvious intended use is evidence of dilusional minds. Pure and simple, they don’t deserve a seat at the table.

aodhsishaj ,

Weird hill to die on. Language changes. Some people think it’s how new ideas are not only shared but how they’re formed. You might be interested in Latin.

Empricorn ,

What’s wrong with primary/secondary or main/alternate!?

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Primary and secondary are usually peers, where the secondary takes over when the primary isn’t functioning. Which isn’t the same relationship, as the master/slave terminology indicates that if the master fails, the slave will also fail.

Parent/child is probably a better way to describe this kind of relationship.

okamiueru ,

Until proven otherwise, I assume either ignorance or malicious intentions by those who want to rename these “problematic” terms. It does nothing to improve the actual issues.

The false pretense of having done something, is worse than doing nothing. It’s just noise.

To be clear: I don’t mind the changing of terms. I’m too old to care about trivial stuff like main vs master. But if the reasoning for such a change is dumb and potentially harmful, you’ve lost my respect.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

Until proven otherwise, I assume either ignorance or malicious intentions by those who want to rename these “problematic” terms. It does nothing to improve the actual issues.

That’s because the goal is not to solve the actual issue, but to feel better because they did something. Or to avoid noise generated by lunatics online.

kameecoding ,

There is stuff that was bad, white/blacklist doesn’t make much sense, when the universal “code” for allow/disallow are green and red. Allow and dent list are much better name.

Master main, is fine by me, doesnt make much sense to call it master, its only the main branch nothing else.

Shit that didnt make sense was stuff like removing community episodes from netflix, because or “blackface” without any consideration of why its there or whether it has value, just blanket ban, it was stupid af.

sudneo ,

Totally discussing useless stuff here, but green and red to me give the feeling of temporary actions (and possibly alternating). Intuitively sounds more like slowing and speeding than it does permanently blocking or allowing something.

Black and white have the polar opposite meaning. At this point allowlist and blocklist might be a simpler solution to the “problem”.

tgxn ,
@tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net avatar

Probably because those are traditionally traffic light colors, used to indicate success or failure.

bitwaba ,

Main one to me is you can’t have a grey area in between without black and white to compare it against.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Blacklist is a word that goes back to the 17th century. The origin had nothing to do with ethnicity, it had to do with whether someone was against the monarchy during the English Revolution.

Seems weird to remove words from existence out of fear that someone (who’s probably acting in bad faith) might take a bad meaning from it.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah it’s a problem with social media, twitter in particular. Nobody wants to put time into understanding any nuance, (and on twitter there’s not enough characters to explain the nuance) so it’s easier to jump to conclusions and go along with people that have jumped to conclusions because if you don’t people will think you’re on the “wrong side”.

TheBananaKing ,

Until a couple of years ago, we had a brand of cheese called ‘Coon’, here in Australia.

The word isn’t used as a slur over here, and the brand was simply named after the founder about 150 years back.

But it was getting increasingly on the nose as cultural influences from the US and everywhere kept seeping in, and it reached a point where it pretty much needed an excuse or at least an explanation.

So they renamed it; now it’s ‘Cheer’.

And at the time, there was all kinds of pearl-clutching about the malicious / disingenuous / officious / vapidly-offended / white-knighting / attention-seeking / etc / etc ‘woke crowd’ stomping in and making them change everything when it was perfectly good and harmless and stuff.

Six months later, nobody gave a single shit any more. Nobody died as a result or was even mildly inconvenienced, no great cultural traditions were lost, and contrary to several predictionsm newly-empowered wokeocrats have not risen from the shadows to re-gender everyone or whatever. It’s that cheese with the blue white and green label, nobody reads it anyway.

My point is that small token changes cost virtually nothing, and even if they achieve little in and of themselves, the mere fact of people being willing to make them is of benefit. Small courtesies, you know? Returning your shopping cart. Smiling at passing dogs. It models kindness and consideration, and promotes the idea that those things have value.

Which is not to suggest that we must avoid giving offense at all consts; far from it. I’m one of those stereotypicallly abrasive genX types raised on ideals of free speech, punk rock, uncomfortable truths and loudly pointing out the elephant in the room no matter how many toes get stepped on. But when there isn’t some burning issue that needs to be addressed, niceties be damned… then yeah, small courtesies. Give people that extra bit of room even if they don’t strictly needed. It’s nice to be nice.

Look back a handful of decades at all those cultural relics that your grandparents considered harmless and invisible. Asking people to drop them may have attracted ridicule and suspicion at the time, but looking back at some of them… oh dear god, really?

Hell, I remember The Black And White Minstrel Show on TV, and if you don’t remember it yourself, it’s far worse than you’re imagining.

I like the world better without things like that, even the little seemingly-trivial ones, and even if it seems like empy virtue-signalling while you’re cleaning them up.

febra , (edited )

I’m a developer. I use main/release/dev for new projects, because it just sounds better and is more intuitive to me honestly. “Master” doesn’t make much sense. Like what’s so “master” about a “master branch”? It’s just the main branch everything gets merged into. It doesn’t “control” branches. There’s no “master/slave” relationship there. So again, “master” was never really intuitive to me.

Old projects don’t get relabeled, they stay master, cause relabeling the main branch could cause potential problems. That’s my two cents.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Master can also mean proficiency. If you say you’ve mastered a trade it doesn’t mean you enslaved the trade, you simply have complete knowledge of the trade.

So in that context, the master branch is the complete branch. The branch that other branches stem from because it’s the one with code from all the teams. You could branch from another team member’s branch but if that branch hasn’t merged from master in a while, it won’t have all the knowledge (code). When you merge in master you’re getting knowledge from elsewhere from the branch that’s aware of more things than your branch is: the branch that has mastery of the code, the master branch.

Cryophilia ,

Did you know that most people are not developers, and for many other use cases “master” does in fact imply control?

Evotech ,

Same for databases, master / slave does not really describe the relationship anymore. It’s a primary, secondary, control node, read only or something else.

shneancy ,

no please stop, i’m so tired of googling kinky stuff, seeing a spicy looking result and opening it just to see some computer server stuff pick something else idk maybe capitalist & worker, bonus points for political commentary

beefbot ,

Agreed lol. this opinion also works for the god-awfully named “gimp”

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

too wordy just make it 😈 and 🥺

wesker ,
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Big spoon/Little spoon

Thorny_Insight ,

Both spoons are the same size. Different size ones wouldn’t fit together like that.

taiyang ,

I’m not sure we even need that terminology at this point… I knew it from hard drives but I’m either 1) dealing with way more than two drives, or 2) using Linux which I don’t even think of as a master/slave so much as a fuck-you-mount-me-or-not-I-don’t-care partitions.

I’m not really sure where else it’s used, especially since everything else seems to just be primary/secondary. But I’m no CS major so IDK.

clockwork_octopus ,

Main/secondary

Prime/secondary/tertiary etc

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Dom drive: “Daddy”

Sub drive: “UwU”

0laura ,

Nya

Brkdncr ,

Im not having much luck getting top/bottom accepted at my job.

Treble ,
@Treble@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Too ambiguous- bottoms are kings.

IzzyScissor ,

Yeeter/yoinker

Phoenix3875 ,

Yeeter/Yeetee

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