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sumguyonline ,

My user name on all my PC’s(non root) is literally Master, my PC’s are all Slave, slave1, slave2. I will fight to keep them that way. I am also extremely anti slavery for sentient creatures. Words matter in the context of their intent. Dumbing down of the language by forcing alternate uses of a word to mean something other than its obvious intended use is evidence of dilusional minds. Pure and simple, they don’t deserve a seat at the table.

taiyang ,

I’m not sure we even need that terminology at this point… I knew it from hard drives but I’m either 1) dealing with way more than two drives, or 2) using Linux which I don’t even think of as a master/slave so much as a fuck-you-mount-me-or-not-I-don’t-care partitions.

I’m not really sure where else it’s used, especially since everything else seems to just be primary/secondary. But I’m no CS major so IDK.

clockwork_octopus ,

Main/secondary

Prime/secondary/tertiary etc

okamiueru ,

Until proven otherwise, I assume either ignorance or malicious intentions by those who want to rename these “problematic” terms. It does nothing to improve the actual issues.

The false pretense of having done something, is worse than doing nothing. It’s just noise.

To be clear: I don’t mind the changing of terms. I’m too old to care about trivial stuff like main vs master. But if the reasoning for such a change is dumb and potentially harmful, you’ve lost my respect.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

Until proven otherwise, I assume either ignorance or malicious intentions by those who want to rename these “problematic” terms. It does nothing to improve the actual issues.

That’s because the goal is not to solve the actual issue, but to feel better because they did something. Or to avoid noise generated by lunatics online.

kameecoding ,

There is stuff that was bad, white/blacklist doesn’t make much sense, when the universal “code” for allow/disallow are green and red. Allow and dent list are much better name.

Master main, is fine by me, doesnt make much sense to call it master, its only the main branch nothing else.

Shit that didnt make sense was stuff like removing community episodes from netflix, because or “blackface” without any consideration of why its there or whether it has value, just blanket ban, it was stupid af.

sudneo ,

Totally discussing useless stuff here, but green and red to me give the feeling of temporary actions (and possibly alternating). Intuitively sounds more like slowing and speeding than it does permanently blocking or allowing something.

Black and white have the polar opposite meaning. At this point allowlist and blocklist might be a simpler solution to the “problem”.

tgxn ,
@tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net avatar

Probably because those are traditionally traffic light colors, used to indicate success or failure.

bitwaba ,

Main one to me is you can’t have a grey area in between without black and white to compare it against.

HootinNHollerin ,

With PCBs it’s mother/daughter

IzzyScissor ,

Yeeter/yoinker

Phoenix3875 ,

Yeeter/Yeetee

Fades , (edited )

No it doesn’t sound bad, words don’t need to be thrown away forever just because they’ve been used to describe unfair treatment. I’m so sick of having to relabel so many things that are so far divorced from the social issues they are used to describe. It’s so pointless and has no impact, the code doesn’t care which is master and which is the slave for they are simply descriptive labels.

Are we supposed to never use the words master or slave ever again?? What’s next?

My dev friends, no matter their race, all say the exact same thing. We still use master over main, come at us I guess.

Rentlar ,

Right? I get that langauge evolves and things go in and out of fashion, but this self-censoring for things completely unrelated to the original or derogatory meanings is kind of a pointless exercise to me.

FlorianSimon ,

Honestly, while the controversy is incredibly stupid, it’s not something to get worked up about. Not good for your heart 😜

You don’t have to relabel anything, just keep using old names for old stuff and maybe consider switching to main for your next GitHub project? It’s honestly not that big of a deal.

Paraponera_clavata ,

This

ScreamingFirehawk ,

It’s all good and well until you start working in a repo that has both master and main branches for some reason, and it is not clear which is actually the master/main branch.

MummifiedClient5000 ,

Then you’re working in an idiotic repo. You could just as well have have a master and an actual_master branch. Similar idiocy.

SirQuackTheDuck ,

A place I used to work at had that… The corp had rolled out a non-delete policy with something akin to *master, so when someone made a abrv_master branch it got protected and couldn’t be deleted anymore.

ScreamingFirehawk ,

It only takes one person to fuck it up. I agree it’s stupid, but introducing a conflicting standard increases the chances of someone fucking it up in the name of progressiveness. Needless to say I killed off the main branch that someone one had tried to make to replace the master branch.

Sinthesis ,

unfair treatment.

We’re talking about slavery here.

sick of having to relabel

It’s not that hard…to be accommodating.

divorced from the social issues

from your point of view

the code doesn’t care

You’re right. Call it a controller and agent. I know naming is hard, but we’re smart enough to apply our lexicon.

never use the words master or slave ever again? What’s next??

Ah, the slippery slope fallacy.

We still use master over main

The default for new repositories on GitHub has been main for awhile now. You would have had to put in effort to change it to something else. You’re a stick in the mud.

Riven ,
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Fuck I don’t get your downvotes, you’re right. I get people want to vent but in the greater scheme of things having to use different words to be a smidge more inclusive isn’t that big of a deal or effort considering what some of us do to help our friends be accepted.

Tyoda ,

The default for git repositories is still master. Not to be the “real programmers only use CLI” guy, but I feel like git init isn’t too hipster.

Phoenix3875 , (edited )

The problem with these token activism is that it’s hollow in content. The intent might be good, but the action is almost pure virtue signalling.

Slavoj Zizek pointed out in multiple interviews that there’s a pervert self-reflectiveness in the self-censorship: privileged people “enjoy” being guilty of their privilege, so it’s more about themselves rather than the people they claim to represent. “Sorry, but you were naive and unaware of people being racist when they use these words, so let me stop them and now you are protected (by me) in an inclusive atmosphere.”

A related radical freedom situation as an inverse to the above is that when friends get really close, even using racist slurs is treated as a gesture of intimacy, rather than racism. In an ideal world, the context in the public discourse would be so strong that even racist words lose their racist meaning (“oh, so you are joking as well”) rather than the opposite (assuming there’s ubiquitous “hidden” racism in the use of a word, even when there’s clearly none).

Another critique is that it presents itself as a substitute of real solutions. Instead of addressing real problems, it provides a simple “everyday” solution, very much similar to the recycling movement. Of course we need to recycle, but we should be aware that it’s not a substitute of radical real actions (e.g. stopping the big oil).

pop ,

No one told you to throw away anything. If it works for you then go wild. No one else cares what you do in private or a with your “dev friends”.

I for one love shorts words to get meaning across. “main” was just sweet, the social issue thing was a good to have.

AlexWIWA ,

I think manger / worker is a pretty easy one. It gets hard though because both of these terms are already used for class names everywhere.

Chocrates ,

It is changing, albeit slowly. In git the default branch was changed from master to main.

In high availability we use primary and secondary, or many other versions of the same idea (main/secondary, etc).

Not sure how disks are handled these days but I haven’t seen the master/slave terminology in those since my first CD burner

yesman ,

That’s all fine and good for computer science, but if Master/Slave terminology is canceled, who’s going to tell the philosophy department?

snooggums ,
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Boss/Minion

Brkdncr ,

Im not having much luck getting top/bottom accepted at my job.

Treble ,
@Treble@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Too ambiguous- bottoms are kings.

Cap ,
@Cap@kbin.melroy.org avatar

We've been using Master/Bater down at the church.

Empricorn ,

What’s wrong with primary/secondary or main/alternate!?

Limonene ,

I’ve seen “Domain Controller” and “Subscriber” for the sake of plausible deniability.

In the case of SPI, they want to keep intact the names MISO (master in, slave out) and MOSI. So they use things like “Main” and “Sub”.

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