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saltesc , in onlick

I tried to tell the computer to bugger a dataset the other day because apparently I can’t type Table.Buffer()

wieson ,

Table.Buffet

marcos ,

Environemnt is a very common word for me to type. Good thing everybody always shortens it to env.

Klear ,

I always iterate in paris.

SatyrSack ,

The amount of times I used to quickly type dnf udpate was ridiculous. Now, I know I can just dnf up.

StorageAware ,

Used to do the same thing, but I eventually learned to memorize it as “environ-ment”

Passerby6497 ,

Just because I can’t type it correctly doesn’t mean I don’t know how to spell it. My fingers just choose to spell it alternatively because its funny. Especially the 4th time I spell it wrong the same way in the row.

deegeese , in Lights bulbs

Nobody will pay for a burned out light bulb.

nifty OP ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Testing and confirming the burn out of light bulbs is easier!

Yearly1845 , in What's stopping you from coding like this ?

I don’t have legs

PhlubbaDubba , in onlick

Button that works on lick, there’s a sex joke there but I’m too tired to think of it

Quetzalcutlass ,

You mean to say, you’re having trouble finding it?

PhlubbaDubba ,

I might but having had a go at it…yeah I’m starting to think that all that joking about how hard finding “the button” is some grand conspiracy of weaponized incompetence, I’ve had a couple partners now to confirm that finding “the button” is damn easy for someone who actually gives a shit about being a reciprocal partner.

You know you’re doing it right when her thighs are wrapped around your head like she’s trying to use your melon for a Gallagher bit. Hands clutched in your hair is even better, and if she’s giving you a tempo you’ve got her so deep in the mood that all that’s left is to follow the rhythm her body’s setting for you.

It’s so easy that her body will literally be telling you how to do it even better by the end if you put in the starting effort.

norbert ,
@norbert@kbin.social avatar

We get it, you have sex.

PhlubbaDubba ,

I think an explainer is important when some old misinformed boomer humor trope is being bandied about, just happened that this one was about sex schtuff

I’d have given a similar response to references to wife bad no fault divorce is satan jokes

KillingTimeItself , in FLOSS communities right now

PLEASE I BEG OF YOU, STOP USING DISCORD IN PLACE OF FORUMS AND PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE BOARDS!

ALostInquirer ,

While I agree, what might everyday people use to set up forums as relatively easily and cheaply as their Discord servers, and not have them riddled with ads or other clunky elements?

I’m pretty sure those that may have even been considering forums went to Discord because the only other options were more involved in terms of set up/maintenance and cost, the latter to get something without ads.

centof ,

what might everyday people use to set up forums as relatively easily and cheaply as their Discord servers, and not have them riddled with ads or other clunky elements?

Discourse is a clean open source forum software that is commonly used for application support and well suited for it.

Or if your a real die hard for the fediverse, you could set up a lemmy instance for application support. There’s even a phpBB frontend for an oldschool forum look and feel for it.

Usually everyday people don’t setup forums, that’s the responsibility of the application owner(s) or provider. In this case, the easy option is also the shitty option if measured by discoverability of the content.

ALostInquirer ,

Usually everyday people don’t setup forums, that’s the responsibility of the application owner(s) or provider.

By this do you mean official forums? If so I think this is kind of missing some of the independent forums for software (whether games or media players or the like) or other media, which some sorta-everyday people set up in the past. Many have migrated to Discord not only because it’s easy but, I think, because it’s simply more cost-effective.

Forums don’t seem to be cheap. Discourse’s own managed hosting goes for $50 a month, from one of their partners it’s $20, and looks like somewhere in-between if you try to spin it up yourself (e.g. Digital Ocean droplet runs $4 a month, then add in domain, and mail-provider (~$20-35)). Looking at that, it’s little wonder so many either opt for official forums, unofficial subreddits, Lemmy/Kbin communities, or Discord servers instead now.

Maybe if I dug around some more I could find some options for managed hosting (which makes more sense for regular people, I think, to deal with technical maintenance) for Discourse or the like that are cheaper, but I can’t imagine one may find much that beats free. Unless there is something, unfortunately I guess we’re kind of stuck with the situation as-is barring some pleasant exceptions.

centof ,

Yeah, I was referring to official forums for technical support or feature requests and the like. I don’t really think that everyday people were usually the ones who setup forums, it is website operators and other techies who set those up. The people who setup an independent forum are not the same people who setup a discord community. Discord has a much lower barrier to entry that usually results in a lower quality information and moderation than a forum would.

I mean, yeah, forums are harder, for sure. $20-35 monthly for a mail provider seems to high to me; I would expect that to be about the yearly cost. But, I don’t really have much experience with an email provider for that use case. Really the problem lies in that a website operator and a community maintainer are 2 very different types of people that rarely intersect.

crispy_kilt ,

Github has discussions. The code is already there anyways

intensely_human ,

You can even have threads and comments attached to specific lines of code in specific commits. Github is practically effortless to set up.

jeremyparker ,

Microsoft is going to continue to increase their monetization of GitHub. It’s going to get worse, not better.

clot27 ,
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

Just hoping we get some github alternative on fediverse, so far Ive seen codeberg but its hosted by a non profit org in berlin… Which is great but for e.g. I cant contribute to the code without creating an account on their instance

SeekPie ,

I really don’t know about these things, but I’ve heard that GitLab is a good alternative to GitHub?

Omniraptor ,

it used to be but they’ve been focusing heavily into corporate clients and shutting off special treatment/support for foss software projects the past couple years

jeremyparker ,

I’ve been loving Source Hut, but they’re not ready to handle GitHub-level usage

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Matrix chat works pretty well too.
It’s ~ as convenient as Discord. More convenient in certain cases. And one might be able to easily use the API to create an Archive site for all discussions in there.

In other cases, you have the ability of encrypted conversations, which of course you won’t be archiving. Right?

KillingTimeItself ,

honestly i would understand matrix more than discord, it’s a lot easier to just jump in and start existing.

po_tay_toes ,
@po_tay_toes@lemmy.sambands.net avatar

as relatively easily and cheaply

You pay more when using these types of software than if you hired an engineer to set up a complete forum ecosystem. Just not with money.

nao ,

Why not Lemmy?

KillingTimeItself ,

90% of the projects that i use and other people care about are developed by people that have the technical ability to set up and host a web server. They likely have the cash. It’s not exactly outrageously expensive. If it’s small enough they dont have the cash for it, they don’t need it.

Im guessing the discord was more of a legacy thing, someone was like “hey im having a problem, can you contact me on discord?” and then suddenly we have the rust discord server.

Tattorack ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

But Discord is too convenient.

Contend6248 ,

For a quick question yes, but if you try to search a solution for a problem it’s actual hell, 1000s of BS messages and countless other problems just thrown in one timeline.

You can either search through it for hours or ask the question which was answered 10 times before.

It’s as inefficient as it gets

tslnox ,

Also the dumb system that thinks it knows what you want to search and no exact term search feature. Yeah, the search is unusable.

KillingTimeItself ,

convenient for what? forcing me to join a server, go through onboarding, and potentially even deal with not having enough spyware loaded on my information, at best waiting 10 minutes to say ANYTHING, and at worst not being able to say anything at all.

Not to mention these on boarding processes can explode and cause problems from time to time. Discord is only convenient for real time chatting, nothing else.

technom ,

Do you know how crappy the discord client is? Even element with all its flaws behaves better.

zarkanian ,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Discord is more analogous to IRC than web forums.

noodlejetski ,

and yet people insist on using it as a forum, wiki, issue tracker, and a support channel.

sanguine_artichoke ,
@sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social avatar

That’s the problem.

KillingTimeItself ,

honestly, i dont know why this is so downvoted, this is basically just what discord is.

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  • Grass ,

    It’s awful. It goes by channel and the cursed interface make it hard to search because when you go back after viewing a post it starts at the very top again. Then people shit on you for not searching through loads of shit and normal chat channels to find a bunch of disjointed info woven into random unrelated banter.

    I miss the days when I could search the problem, open a browser tab for each one that seems relevant, and close the tab when it turns out not to be, and have my search tab right where I left it. Discord just gives me an aneurysm every time I open it and try to bungle through the UI. Not to mention being asked to sign in almost every time I open it, and they moved the qr code log in option to be harder to find on the mobile app.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    not to mention the QR code login is actually scary insecure. I think its basically equivalent to a login token?

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    You cannot search a discord without being a part of their ecosystem. Thats a walled garden and does not belong in open-source communities.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    lemmy isn’t terrible, but you aren’t going to find diehard thinkpad enjoyers flashing them with coreboot here, and you certainly are likely to find much if any documentation on it here either. Maybe reddit. Forums though? Daily occurrence.

    Those “forum” channels are locked behind community servers, for some reason. And also still not a replacement for forums. Still not publicly accessible. Threads also suck btw. Matrix likely wouldnt copy them, because forums exist.

    WindowsEnjoyer , in FLOSS communities right now

    Why is everyone hating Discord? It’s pretty neat platform when all the features used properly.

    mint_tamas ,

    It’s the worst way to document something (doesn’t even make sense to call it documentation). It’s closed source and the content is only accessible if you register with an email address.

    onlinepersona OP ,

    Maybe read a few of the responses?

    CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

    AMDIsOurLord ,

    If you’re putting that creative Commons thing in your comment to prevent AI training, it’s as useful as those “sovereign citizen” dorks against paying taxes

    AI companies really don’t give much of a flying fuck

    onlinepersona OP ,

    Thanks. I don’t care.

    CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

    Chadus_Maximus ,

    Used to be fast. Isn’t anymore. Need new fast thing.

    silas , in onlick
    @silas@programming.dev avatar

    Spatial computing has gone too far

    bruhduh ,
    @bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

    Apple vision pro 2 be like

    GeniusIsme , in What could go wrong trying to solve AoC in Rust?

    Show the alternative, I’ll have a good laugh.

    janAkali , (edited )

    It’s Nim, but I have no idea why you can’t do this in Rust:

    
    <span style="color:#323232;">var seeds = lines[0].split(": ")[1].splitWhitespace().mapIt(it.parseInt)
    </span>
    

    Full solution: codeberg.org/Archargelod/…/solution.nim

    GeniusIsme ,

    Ahh, it is the same thing. Rust example surely has some cruft, but mostly for the better. I’m sure not all of it is needed.

    TrickDacy , in Tough break, kid...

    “prompt engineering”

    Sounds made up af

    datavoid ,

    It is, I believe the correct term is “proompt”

    Croquette ,

    The US add engineer to everything to sound most prestigious than they are. If you sell your service as a AI prompt writer, you get paid peanuts. If you sell the same service as AI prompt engineer, the C-Suites cream their pants.

    TrickDacy ,

    So you’re telling me that people advertise themselves as AI programmers? That does not seem like something to brag about in such a manner

    SpaceCowboy ,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Yeah right?

    I’ve found it helpful in learning things about languages I’m unfamiliar with, but it seems like saying “I’m an AI programmer” means “I don’t really know what I’m doing in this language, I’m still learning.” Which I suppose shows a willingness to learn, but that’s about it.

    Croquette ,

    Lots of people think that computers are magic box. And now a diffuse entity in the cloud talk to them? Big heads will gobble that shit up.

    EmperorHenry , in Me after I got fired
    @EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Is this some simple line of code that just shuffles everything around in file storage areas?

    lhamil64 ,

    This looks like a C macro. Basically what it does is replaces the word “true” in the code with (rand() > 10). The rand() function will return a random number from 0 to 32767. So (rand() > 10) will very likely return “true” but not always.

    So say you have some code like this: if (someVar == true) { // Do stuff } It would replace “true” with code that usually evaluates to “true” but not always. So every so often your code would just do the wrong thing but it would be hard to debug because it would be rare.

    Granted, in that example you probably would just write “if (someVar)” making this moot, but there are more realistic cases where you’d use the constant “true”

    TwilightKiddy ,

    rand() generates a number from 0 to a constant defined in stdlib, which usually corresponds to the architechture of your compiler. So, for 32 bit systems (assuming all the software in the line is 32 bit, too) it will be 2^31-1 = 2 147 483 647, as 1 bit in integers is reserved for negative numbers and 1 number is 0.

    Though, by design it is guaranteed to be at least 32767, which is a value for 16 bit integers.

    lhamil64 ,

    Oh good to know. I googled it and got that 32767 number but it did say “guarantee to be at least 32767”

    grubders , in FLOSS communities right now

    discord is the best villain but also the worst platform ever

    FIST_FILLET , in Tough break, kid...

    “prompt engineering” in itself is such an embarrassing term for the act of saying “computer uhhh show me epic boobies!!”

    like that joke about calling dishwashing “submerged porcelain technician” but unironically

    Kedly , in FLOSS communities right now

    Am I the odd one out for actually liking discord? Or is most of this hate specifically for using discord for FOSS projects? As a replacement for MSN Messenger/Skype/Ventrillo Discord is actually pretty great for hanging out with friends

    Randomgal ,

    BuT itS NoT OpEnSoUrCE reeeeee

    Appoxo ,

    This.
    (Hardcore) Lemmy: Everything has to be (F)OSS
    Me: Even a media library like Plex?
    Them: Maybe not everything

    Hypocrisy…Go and finally install Jellyfin folks. Give those fine folks a 10€/$ donation.

    crispy_kilt ,

    Is that the ones who tell your coworkers what porn you enjoyed last night?

    Appoxo ,

    What?

    crispy_kilt ,

    Sorry, I remembered incorrectly. It’s plex, not jellyfin

    www.404media.co/plex-users-fear-discover-together…

    Appoxo ,

    Ah that thing.
    Lmao that truly was a thing.

    po_tay_toes ,
    @po_tay_toes@lemmy.sambands.net avatar

    Of course. Open source clients on open source operating systems connecting to self-hosted servers on private infrastructure with open source software.

    As soon as open source hardware is practically available I’m never using proprietary processors ever again, I don’t care if they’re “underpowered” by computational power - All backdoored CPU’s are underpowered by my standards to verified non-backdoored CPU’s.

    Maybe not everything

    Laughs in hardcore open source

    lemmesay ,
    @lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    my problem with it(apart from the fact that it’s not libre) is that the chats aren’t end to end encrypted

    dugite_code ,
    @dugite_code@mastodon.social avatar

    @Kedly
    @onlinepersona

    It's a private silo with no public indexing by search. Makes it terrible for technical topics fine for a chat platform.

    It's a bad hybrid of chat and forum. None of the advantages of rich forum posts and typically too may participants for it to be easy to follow. Noticeable if you are not in the main timezone as the others.

    Discord has threads and topics, but these features are a bolted on afterthought instead of core functionality so it just doesn't work as well

    Kedly ,

    Ah, so the hate is mostly for it being used for things that it wasnt really built for. I can get that

    technom ,

    Exactly!

    premeena ,

    I think the thread(s) aren’t that hard to navigate or search in - assuming everything else has been set by admins properly (rarely the case). YMMV. Third-party ticketing/integration bots with major services are seamless, but or course depends on your use case.

    Cqrd ,

    No, you’re not, but the circle jerk here is definitely against discord.

    Appoxo , (edited )

    Replacement for TS3, Skype, whatever = Good
    1st party quick support channel = Good
    Community maintenance = Good
    Documentation = Not good
    Basically Github issues replacement = Bad
    Knowledgebase = Bad

    KillingTimeItself ,

    the hate is because discord actively makes it harder to find and get support for anything. It’s adding extra steps to something that doesnt need them.

    I use discord to chat with my friends and weird people online, not to complain about the nonfunctional nature of software to people i dont know.

    technom , (edited )

    Discord is an OK chat app. But it’s TERRIBLE as a support forum. It’s precisely the latter that everyone is complaining about.

    KeenFlame ,

    I also need to point out here that anything posted to discord is now their intellectual property by law. That’s quite a deal breaker and honestly should not work with any open source projects

    technom ,

    I didn’t know that. That single reason alone is enough to completely exclude discord from open source projects.

    crispy_kilt ,

    For chatting with friends it’s fine! The hate is when it’s used for public documentation and communication, because it isn’t public.

    GravitySpoiled , in Tough break, kid...

    Looks like an ai did that

    OmnipotentEntity ,
    @OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org avatar

    Yup

    pigup ,

    HATERS will say it’s fake

    agent_flounder ,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    And HATERS will be absolutely correct

    Alexstarfire ,

    If you look close enough, all pictures are fake.

    synae ,
    @synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Is that you, Samsung?

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    Hey, no need to accuse the guy of cutting tvs to get out of honoring the warranty.

    Holzkohlen ,

    That’s the joke.

    BaardFigur , in FLOSS communities right now

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  • Fudoshin ,
    @Fudoshin@feddit.uk avatar

    Remember IRC!

    psmgx ,

    We use slack at work so I don’t just remember it, I use a fancy version

    Evotech ,

    It’s good?

    gaylord_fartmaster ,

    It really isn’t. At least not for what most people try to use it for.

    _number8_ ,

    it makes me download 5 updates whenever i launch it then it looks just as shitty as before

    rainerloeten ,
    @rainerloeten@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s better. Not good. Better than other tools, at least in the eyes of the many people using it. But as I stated at another post, to me this speaks to the fact that we need better FOSS alternatives for whatever purposes discord is used. I don’t like Discord either, don’t get me wrong! But so many people using it means something’s missing and I don’t think it cab solely be explained by the lack of knowledge of existing solutions but at least partly by the existence itself.

    exocrinous ,

    Discord’s #1 unique feature is pluralkit

    Appoxo ,

    Matrix is there :p Ready to use (i think it’s missing call and video options)

    KillingTimeItself ,

    its missing all my friends inside of my computer though!

    Appoxo ,

    Convince them :-)

    tabular ,
    @tabular@lemmy.world avatar

    It needs to be a big wave of migration, rather than convincing one individual at a time. Discord needs to shit the bed while there’s a tolerable/better alternative we can all agree on.

    Appoxo ,

    Tbh I don’t see that happening with matrix anyway. Even with discord going to shit.
    Every platform that needs a guide is too complicated for the common folk.
    This goes also for Lemmy. The users on Reddit that stayed either didn’t care about the whole API stuff or didnt understand the issue.
    Hell even I use it sometimes because the content here is sparse and I don’t have any meaningful to contribute as a post (not even a repost lol)

    We are the exception and putting up with reading a bit and then deciding where to start the camp.
    Discord, FAANG, streaming sites. All of them and more are simply to register, login and then use. At best you will set up 2FA.
    Most of the folks I know (even my boss of an IT company) do not register 2FA and if only because they are forced to (Google and MS/O365 does it for example).

    I probably see another (commercial) platform rising before Matrix will become popular.

    tabular ,
    @tabular@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s harder for regular folk to move and they may not (yet) have an issue with what we may see, but regular folk would tolerate anything and tolerate it forever? They just have a different line which companies cannot cross.

    I think (and admittedly, I hope) every proprietary software is destined to shit the bed due to the irresistible temptation to make the user’s experience worse for increased profit. If there’s no alternative then users have no choice but luckily many of us will even create useful software just as a passion. You may be right that we just have not created software aimed at them because it’s other tech people who give feedback/contribute.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    the ironic thing is that basically the only thing that needs to happen for matrix to have that moment is some startup company to host a server much like discord, and then create a front end.

    It’s literally something they’re capable of doing, and it would totally work. The ENTIRE backend is already done, they can even help contribute to matrix as well. The value is the customer base, not the open source code, so it’s not like it’s going anywhere.

    KillingTimeItself ,

    thats like saying “fix the government”

    lol

    xigoi ,
    @xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    For video calls, there is Jitsi integration.

    Appoxo ,

    Including screen caption?

    xigoi ,
    @xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Yes, I’m pretty sure.

    BaumGeist ,

    It’s terrible for secure/private communications, it requires hacks that violate the TOS and EULA to modify the client to get rid of ads and change themes, it’s not FOSS, and it locks features behind a paywall…

    But it does what skype already did, so I’m glad we all have to migrate to the new fad site that strips even more of our dignity and privacy every 10 years that’ll die anyway because it offers nothing and has a terrible business model.

    Evotech ,

    And forums was very good for secure communications?

    Umbreon ,

    People act like the alternatives are any better but they really aren’t. Sure don’t get me wrong it sucks that you typically have to scroll through useless info to find what you’re looking for, but I put that on the server owner, you see the same issue on most forums too. Discord brings huge audiences that you wouldn’t normally see in small communities. It’s free, easy to setup and access, has a mobile app with toggle-notifications(and maybe just my settings but I’ve never gotten an ad notification or anything I haven’t purposely toggled). People here are acting like you have to start using it as your primary messaging app and that you can’t just take your messaging to another platform if your worried about chat logs.

    Evotech ,

    There’s zero way dishes would become so popular if users didn’t like it.

    The fact that it has chat, voice, streaming, automation, accessible api and oauth.

    I mean please, these foss people can downvote all they want, but it’s a good application for communities.

    histic ,

    uhh sure buddy

    Evotech ,

    Literally the most popular community platform. People are clearly choosing it because there are much better alternatives out there

    noodlejetski ,

    “millions of flies can’t be wrong!”

    Evotech ,

    Cope

    KeenFlame ,

    Do you just not understand the quote?

    technom ,

    It’s bloated, filled with features no one needs for straight-forward work, has a somewhat obtuse UI and is buggy as hell. I don’t like Matrix much more than Discord. But even it has far fewer problems. I don’t know in which universe Discord is considered as ‘good’.

    ono ,

    My guess: The kids who used Discord for gaming grew up, and just went with the familiar thing when starting new communities and projects.

    Also, Discord did heavy marketing early on, until it carved out a network effect. So here we are.

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