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How is Lemmy better than Reddit?

I am a reddit refugee. Keep seeing that this is supposed to be somehow better than Reddit. As far as I can tell, it follows a similar format, less restrictive on posts being removed I suppose. But It looks like people still get down vote brigaded on some communities. So I’m curious, how it’s better?

Nomad ,

Hard to put into words. “Better” as in “more free” (as in freedom and no cost). Everything is maintained communally and so you and your data are not sold (out) for money.

TheDeepState ,

You can’t really get kicked off.

autonomoususer ,

We control it. It’s libre software.

CrimeDad ,

You can run your own instance and votes don’t really matter.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

Welcome to Lemmy, where the content is sparse and the votes don’t matter!

richieadler ,

I’m trying to think of a funny way for Ryan to misunderstand Lemmy, but nothing comes to mind.

I_Miss_Daniel ,

Winks?

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

You can practice dogpiling to your heart’s content.

eezeebee ,
@eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

Ads look better in the official ad delivery app - download the app

“Oh, you already have a third party app that you love? Too bad, we’re killing it.”

Download the official app to view the rest of this comment

SuckMyWang ,

It’s more different than better, and by different I mean better

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not owned by a greedy soulless corporation with a pigboy in control. There’s more assholes on here (the AKSHUALLY is quite strong) but there’s less hivemind.

Magister ,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

the AKSHUALLY is quite strong

lol, yeah true, same as the linux community here is pretty much Arch BTW, but it’s good-natured

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I think the arch thing is just a meme. I asked a genuine question about which distro to use and got a range of suggestions but none of them were arch.

FutileRecipe ,

about which distro to use and got a range of suggestions but none of them were arch.

I think Debian is usually the strongest contender here.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I almost never hear anyone suggest Debian!

neidu2 , (edited )

AKSHUALLY, only a few of us assholes fit this description, and as a whole we are in the vast minority.

sp3tr4l ,

Also you can block awful people.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

Also awful people tend to use same awful instances, so you can block a lot of awful people in just a couple of clicks!

pooberbee ,

My baseless opinion is that having a variety of instances with varying ethoses means that there’s a good home instance for everyone (not just the verysmart, young, white, male, liberal a la Reddit), and federation means that that variety of people are intersecting and interacting a lot more than if instances were completely separate. At the same time, it still feels like a small community, or maybe a bunch of small communities. There seems to be a lot less of the snarky clapbacks and unpopular opinions getting nuked that’s typical of other social media.

wjrii ,

(not just the verysmart, young, white, male, liberal a la Reddit)

Nope, we’ve also got the verysmart middle-aged white male liberals here, and some Communists too!

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

There seems to be a lot less of the snarky clapbacks

And almost no low-effort, “cult of personality” mememetic responses. I was going to list some but it’s been a year since I’ve been on that wretched site and I’ve purged my mind of them. But you know, the ones where you can basically predict the top comment before opening the page, probably propagated by the prevalence of bots on the site.

gofsckyourself ,

but there’s less hivemind.

The hive mind here is far stronger.

  • anti-anything microsoft
  • anti-anything google
  • unwarranted “just install Linux” everywhere
NewNewAccount ,

Agreed. Lots of reasonable opinions (not just my own) get downvoted here.

I’ve never been a fan of using downvotes as a disagree button and the issue seems even worse here than Reddit.

Blaze ,

I was going to say you can hide downvotes in your parameters, but your instance isn’t on 0.19.5 yet

mke , (edited )

The more I see how people use downvotes, the less I like them as a feature in general. I don’t downvote things anymore.

  • Everyone can upvote, which already brings the most popular content to the top. Why does the system need another dimension to it?
    • I often see unpopular comments at the bottom, with scores like +2 -9… The absence of downvotes wouldn’t make a difference in content ordering, because the previous comment is simply +4.
  • If I disagree with someone enough to act on it, it’s my rule to explain why. A minus one is nearly useless as feedback.
    • Then, once I’ve replied, what’s the point of downvoting? Everyone can read my thoughts.
    • Replies can be upvoted too, for people who think truth comes down to a battle of internet points.
  • If I honestly believe something is bad or harmful to the community, it should probably be reported, not (merely) downvoted.

Downvotes as they are seem like outdated design on the human interaction level. They fail to iterate on years of knowledge gained since their inception.

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

anti-anything google

I hear that. Went through the technical reasons for the manifest V2 deprecation (if this is only to target ublock origin, why did they implement filter lists into the browser? Why does ublock origin lite work just fine?) and it got more downvotes than upvotes. Haters gonna hate I guess :))

mke , (edited )

Hey, I agree that MV3 brings benefits (such as better security for the extension ecosystem) and has technical merit, but it’s worth noting that uBlock’s main dev themselves said it won’t work as well. uBO Lite doesn’t work fine, it works. It’s also worse.

And the same fundamental issue that affects ublock (the new API limits) affects everyone else trying to do the same job using extensions.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

I get the impression most lemmy users don’t have a lot of lived experience. Everyone deals in absolutes, and is unable to recognise nuance.

Most contentious issues have a range of considerations, positive and negative.

aasatru ,
@aasatru@kbin.earth avatar

I completely agree with this observation. Generally if people get upset about my posts here it's people I'm close to agreeing with, who just cannot fathom that I don't agree with them on the details.

I keep thinking about the People's Front of Judea.

GoodEye8 ,

Because Microsoft sucks and Google sucks and if you install Linux there’s 50% chance it’ll cure someone’s cancer. Also if you’re at a bar and your pickup line is “I use arch” it’ll be like the fucking Niagara falls. If you’re into guys even their ass will go sploosh when they hear that line.

What I’m getting at is that we’re just a superior being.

kender242 ,
@kender242@lemmy.world avatar

Or that we are all refugees and are just tired of enshitification.

lol_idk ,

You forgot Firefox

RightHandOfIkaros ,

there’s less hivemind

Not really. I guess it depends on the instance and community, but I have found that since the amount of users on Lemmy communities tend to be significantly smaller than on Reddit, the effects of hivemind thinking is actually amplified.

In actuality, Reddit and Lemmy are pretty much two sides of the same coin. The only real difference is, as you mentioned, Reddit is run like a business now and Lemmy currently isn’t. That and Lemmy users are obsessed with Linux/FOSS.

hoss ,

Hi. I’m an asshole. Nice to meet you! Looking forward to upsetting you later on a shitpost thread! 😊 👋

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

looks at your history

I dunno, you seem alright to me. Maybe I’m the asshole?

hoss ,

🎵 and you smell like one too🎵

suction ,

The akshually might be stronger, but the cultish behaviour of specialised subreddits hasn’t quite arrived here yet so one can still have a faceted opinion about the stuff they discuss, while on Reddit it’s either “glory to our king” or “get the fuck out and watch your Dane Cook specials!!”

Origen ,

I swapped because I refused to use their garbage fire of an app and they shut down my beautiful RIF. Unforgivable.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

What app do you use for Lemmy?

teslasaur ,

Went from rif to connect for Lemmy and i’m happy with it

subtext ,

I use Voyager and it’s fantastic.

github.com/aeharding/voyager

Nemo ,

As a former RIF user, I use Jerboa.

Blaze ,

!lemmyapps

Cadeillac ,
@Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

I used Boost on reddit, and I use Boost on lemmy. I’m not a huge fan of it not being FOSS, but every other app was always missing something

I’m sure they have caught up now, but I already paid for it and it does everything I need

notfromhere ,

I’ve never used Boost. What sorts of things does it have that FOSS apps are lacking?

Cadeillac ,
@Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

I wouldn’t be able to tell you at this point friend. I can’t remember what I wasn’t liking about the other apps in the first place, and I have no idea the progress they have made. I’d be willing to bet at least a few are on par now

Pherenike ,
@Pherenike@lemmy.ml avatar

I’d recommend Eternity for Lemmy, same developer as Infinity for Reddit, and FOSS. I too tried a bunch of Lemmy apps and I settled on Eternity because it’s pretty much a complete app. I don’t miss any features.

machinaeZER0 ,

Thunder is really good and always improving!

Wooki ,

Many options are available like voyager, avelon, melm to name a few for ios. Lemmy’s app scene is strong

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

Pour one out for Apollo. 🍺

peto ,

Why did you, personally, leave Reddit?

Zerlyna , (edited )
@Zerlyna@lemmy.world avatar

No ads, no trolling bots. I never want to see “He Gets Us” again.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

We have free range human trolls!

bionicjoey ,

I wouldn’t say “better”, because then people will assume, as you have, that it solves all of the problems with Reddit. Lemmy solves certain specific problems that are evident on Reddit. Namely the centralized ownership of the platform and the enshittification that can result from that.

It doesn’t solve the problem of certain bad-faith user behaviours like downvote brigading, trolling, etc. If anything, those problems are a bit worse in the fediverse since ban evasion is really easy. We recently had a problem with a troll who spent two months posting incel stuff to a variety of different communities, and when he got banned from one instance he would just create a new account with a different instance. He went through like 15 accounts, though he does appear to have finally given up as of a week ago.

Blaze ,

He went through like 15 accounts, though he does appear to have finally given up as of a week ago.

Let’s hope

Catoblepas ,

I’m pretty sure I know who you’re talking about, and I regret to inform you he (or his ideological twin) made another alt a couple of days ago. I dunno if he’s been banned on the instance yet or not, he was banned from blahaj more or less immediately.

_bcron ,

With Lemmy you can make an account on one instance and set default sort to the top posts for the past hour, make an account on a different instance and set default sort on that account to top posts in the last 12 hours or Hot or whatever, bookmark them both, and have a neverending stream of new content.

People already noted other reasons that I agree with but my current setup being 2 accounts with default sort set up like that, I vastly prefer this to Reddit’s layout

grrgyle ,

It depends on your values. In terms of front page content it’s pretty similar, except with more Linux. The niche communities are kind of lacking, but then you get to have entire hobbyist run niche servers like the one I’m on.

IMO that’s where lemmy really shines: as a truly community owned collection of boards.

borf ,

Reddit is owned and controlled by a corporation (Condé Nast.) They disabled 3rd party Reddit apps to force people onto the official Reddit app which also broke many third party moderation tools. This disproportionately impacted power users, frequent posters, and mods-- in other words, the people who made Reddit the important community it was.

They showed an unwillingness to listen to their community or work with the unpaid volunteer moderators, instead banning the moderators who took part in the Reddit Blackout and replacing them with mods willing to cooperate with the enshittification of the site.

They’ve been mangling the web interface to be uglier and less usable (old.reddit.com is still up, but the mobile version of old.reddit.com is gone). They’ve been experimenting with ways to show more ads and subtler ads.

Lemmy is open source and federated so it can’t get bought up by a company and cored out for shareholder value. You can use different instances, or a variety of apps. You can use (or create your own) third party tools for accessibility and moderation.

Lemmy is currently a smaller universe than Reddit was, but it has a high ratio of good posters and moderators who care personally about their own communities, so hopefully it continues to grow.

db2 ,

Owners:

Advance Publications (30%)
Tencent (11%)
Sam Altman (9%)

Conde hasn’t owned reddit in a while. I assume the remaining percent is the parent company Reddit Inc or stock options or something. Let’s see what that’s worth:

Operating income −US$140 million
Net income −US$90.8 million
Total equity −US$413 million

Yes those are all negative numbers. Why anyone with at least two functioning brain cells who isn’t also a greedy little pigboy would touch reddit stock with a ten foot pole is baffling.

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

I keep hoping to see Reddit’s stock tank. I think eventually it will. For now, it just highlights how much the stock market is perception / bullshit / glorified gambling. I know savvy experienced investors care about actual value and do careful analysis. But there are a lot of suckers out there who will just buy any cool-sounding “tech stock”.

borf ,

Advance Publications en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Publications

Advance Publications, Inc. is a privately held American media company owned by the families of Donald Newhouse and Samuel Irving Newhouse Jr., the sons of company founder Samuel Irving Newhouse Sr. It owns publishing-relating companies including American City Business Journals, MLive Media Group, and Condé Nast, and is a major shareholder in Charter Communications (13% ownership), Reddit (42 million shares), and Warner Bros. Discovery (8% ownership.)

Potato, potato

db2 ,

Not really because before Conde was the parent with the ability to control and direct, they’re more like a cousin with no input now.

borf ,

Dude I don’t care whose name is on the building, it’s the same effective ownership

Cheradenine ,

Conde hasn’t owned reddit in a while.

That’s only technically true since Advance owns Conde

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