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S.F. bakery won't serve cops, police union claims. Store says it's about the guns, not the cops

San Francisco’s police union says a city bakery chain has a “bigoted” policy of not serving uniformed cops.

The San Francisco Police Officers Assn. wrote in a social media post last week that Reem’s California “will not serve anyone armed and in uniform” and that includes “members of the U.S. Military.” The union is demanding that the chain “own” its policy.

Reem’s says, however, its policy isn’t against serving armed police officers. It’s against allowing guns inside its businesses.

topinambour_rex ,
@topinambour_rex@lemmy.world avatar

It could be worse. This shop could react like police officers when someone enters a police station with a weapon.

bamboo ,

“will not serve anyone armed and in uniform”

Should this be an “or” statement? Showing up naked with a gun would pass this logic.

Spuddaccino ,

That’s preferred, actually, gives them a nice peg to hang the donuts on.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

They're cops, you'll be lucky to fit a single doughnut.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

What exactly do you think they’re going to a bakery for? Birthday cakes?

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

Are you suggesting the doughnuts will make their penises larger? Because you might be technically right, but I still don't think you'll gain enough to fit a second doughnut.

520 ,

In SF, open carrying by non-law-enforcement is illegal anyway.

SpaceNoodle ,

Friends of cops can get CCW licenses tho.

520 ,

That I did not know

Piogre314 ,

CCW is legal with a license.

You can conceal carry while naked; it’s just unwise and uncomfortable.

nutsack ,

while getting a license in the city is theoretically possible, it is basically impossible

RizzRustbolt ,

Nature’s holster.

RiikkaTheIcePrincess ,
@RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social avatar

[Weird, sarcastic joke] Uniform? But what about the fire department?! Oh wait, they don't carry guns for some reason. Woah, does that mean they don't just show up and gun people down? That's a neat idea, I like that. Maybe more uniformed services should be like that.

[Song reference] But still, fuck the fire department. Dropping by unannounced just to fry your apartment...

reverendsteveii ,

I think they intended to include people in uniform but unarmed

CaptObvious ,

Aren’t police unions among those who back politicians that fight tooth and nail for businesses to adhere to their values? I should think that Reem’s would have their full-throated support for refusing service to those who offend their beliefs. I’m so confused.

/smh

caboose2006 ,

Last time I checked “Police Officer” wasn’t a protected class you little snowflakes.

tree ,

veteran status is though in a lot of cases so I would not be surprised if there was movement to take it in that direction

SulaymanF ,

Veterans can’t bring guns wherever they want either. There’s signs on every hospital in Ohio.

tree ,

I wouldn’t be surprised if groups are already trying to spin stuff like that as anti veteran discrimination, although this article says “armed and in uniform” implying by that language they would serve an unarmed cop in uniform, so I guess they just have to ask everyone in uniform if they have a gun or install a metal detector if they actually want to enforce it

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Or they could just guess and refuse to serve someone in a non-protected class as is their legal right.

tree ,

yeah but if they want to do that they have to say “no cops” not “no cops who are currently carrying guns”

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Why? They can refuse service to either. That’s 100% legal.

tree ,

I’m sure the cops can find a way to sue them if they don’t have it explicitly written down or will show up just to intimidate them at anything lesser than being asked not to be there, but we’ll see

FlyingSquid , (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

On what grounds? Again, you can refuse service to anyone for any reason as long as they are not a protected class as defined by the Civil Rights Act.

That means you can say “we refuse to serve people under 5’3” (amusement parks do this all the time) " or “we refuse to serve accountants” or “we refuse to serve people with tiny noses.” All of those are legal. There is no grounds for a lawsuit for any of them.

CaptainAniki ,

Cop isn’t a protected class. They have no standing.

tree ,

Until the next republican runs on making it one (or this case goes all the way up to the current supreme court), it’s not a stretch that they could become one given that veterans already are, I know they aren’t now, but that can change quickly

CaptainAniki ,

I don’t live in fear like you do.

mjhelto ,

First, any veteran worth their weight in salt know they aren’t some sort of Messiah for the people. Those of us that served, myself included, joined and did our jobs to protect others; family, friends, communities, and country. Only those veterans with selfish intentions would hold a private business in less regard for refusing service to anyone they are legally able to refuse service to.

Second, this is about uniformed police, not veterans. Those two things are not synonymous. Veterans, the ones I mentioned in the first paragraph, don’t feel the need to walk around with their dicks guns out to buy a bagel. I’m not sure if you are conflating them out of ignorance or a misunderstanding.

Shush ,

Maybe - and that would mean they will lose the case.

However, if they manage to drag it out for years and years, it’ll be a serious strain on the bakery owner’s financials. Assuming it is a small business and not a huge chain, it would have them struggling to keep up the cost of defense until that happens.

SCB ,

Nothing about being a veteran requires you to carry a gun around, or even be pro-gun-ownership

That some veterans are dumb is just a result of the military not valuing intelligence in privates, and being willing to recruit anyone who can run and do pushups and pullups.

HughJanus ,

People understandably want to support veterans but the reality is that the people who go into the military are usually dumb, toxic masculine men.

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

Put down the pipe, son.

LillyPip ,

They’re not banning veterans though, right? Just guns. Unless veterans are literally guns, but I know plenty of vets that don’t want open carry or unrestricted guns, so I’d say vets aren’t actually guns, and therefore aren’t restricted by this business’s policy.

TheGoldenGod ,
@TheGoldenGod@lemmy.world avatar

https://i.imgur.com/GDqxOrp.jpg

Alexstarfire ,

I’d be surprised if Peter hasn’t used his fingers to count.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I do arithmetic on my fingers. :(

ExtraMedicated ,

Can’t do math without digits.

rmuk ,

I can count to 10 normally. 20 if I take my shoes off. 22 if I pull my pants down.

Spendrill ,

Shouldn’t that be 23/24 if you pull your pants down?

SCB ,

24??? Dude how many dicks do you have

LeFantome ,

Actually, it is three balls

SCB ,

50% more balls is 100% more awesome

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Like that chick on that movie about the three titties.

Spendrill ,

Why wouldn’t you count the balls while you were at it? I mean, they’re right there and you’re counting.

SCB ,

That’s still only 23.

Spendrill , (edited )

If you’ve got the other common arrangement you can count minora and majora.

Spendrill ,

Might as well count the clit as well, I mean, it’s right there.

SCB ,

More holes AND more countable parts. Women win at everything

sik0fewl ,

Imagine if those cops were gay! They wouldn't be able to get donuts anywhere!

There should be a law that says for each type of business in a region (e.g. donuts and coffee) you cannot introduce new discrimination that is already done by another establishment -- that way cops will always have at least one place to go.

over_clox ,

Guns don’t have a sexual or gender identity nitwit.

Alexstarfire , (edited )

Lies. i.redd.it/sqi3o87vgtn51.jpg

Malfeasant ,

Dead link.

Alexstarfire ,

Thanks. Fixed.

Clent ,

There it is.

Stupidest thing I’ve read today.

sik0fewl ,

I'm still learning to do irony on the internet. Please bear with me.

deadbeef79000 ,

Task failed successfully.

Cabrio ,

Poes law

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Always close your sarcasm tags.

MonkRome ,

It was obvious sarcasm, but some peoples brains don’t work.

TWeaK ,

Sexuality is a protected class. Being a cop and carrying a gun are not.

Discrimination is entirely legal when it’s not against a protected class.

DontTreadOnBigfoot , (edited )
@DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world avatar

Guess who just got themselves put on the “do not respond to emergency calls” list?

Side note:

Reem’s says, however, its policy isn’t against serving armed police officers. It’s against allowing guns inside its businesses.

It’s San Francisco. Aren’t police the only ones allowed to open carry there? So it’s just a de facto ban on cops.

Edit: gotta say, I’m confused about the downvotes. I’m pointing out that the police are likely to retaliate. Did I say something that gives the impression I’m condoning that?

deadbeef79000 ,

That’s probably for the best.

If they call the cops and they show up, they’re far more likely to get shot themselves.

lolcatnip ,

Sounds like cops are allowed if they leave their guns behind, so it’s not a ban on cops at all, just cops who insist on carrying their gun more than they keep their body cameras on.

fmstrat , (edited )

They’re not allowed to do that while on duty.

EDIT: For those down voting, to be clear I don’t disagree with the sentiment, just providing facts to a comment.

vitriolix ,
@vitriolix@lemmy.ml avatar

Shop off duty

Player2 ,

Do they need to eat at a bakery while ‘on duty?’

lolcatnip ,

Sounds like not the cafe’s problem. The police department could change the rules if they want cops to be able to interact with ordinary people as semi-equals.

Imotali ,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I’m not allowed to eat at a bakery while working either. Tough shit.

Laticauda ,

If they would leave people to die in an emergency over donuts then they’re disgusting human beings who don’t deserve anyone’s time of day anyway.

reverendsteveii ,

They won’t leave people to die! That would be terrible! They’ll just shoot the criminals, the victims, a few bystanders and any dogs they happen to see on the way.

Imotali ,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

And then laugh and joke about how fun it was to get to shoot their “toys”

CaptainAniki ,

Oh no!!! Who will come and take a report and do nothing after they get robbed!!!

SlikPikker ,

They won’t do nothing, that’s slander.

They’ll shoot your dog while they’re already in the neighbourhood, and that is objectively something.

MonkRome ,

Guess who just got themselves put on the “do not respond to emergency calls” list?

Oh no! Anyway…

It’s not like they prevent crime, they show up afterwards, take a report and then you never hear from them again. If you’re unlucky, they show up, get spooked, shoot you and lie on the report and still never do anything to help you. What exactly are you missing by having them never show up?

reverendsteveii ,

“do not respond to emergency calls” list

Bro everyone everywhere is on that list. Cops don’t do anything unless they’re forced to or they get to RP Bad Boys

rynzcycle ,

if you’re going to have policies that discriminate against one group of people, then own it, post it publicly,

...McCray said somehow without even a hint of irony.

nwithan8 ,

Good.

Chickenstalker ,

Even Aragorn and co had to leave their weapons to enter Edoras. Gandalf was a cheeky bugger though.

bdonvr ,

it’s about the guns, not the cops

Honestly would be cooler if it were about the cops

nostalgicgamerz ,

Ssshh. It definitely is wink

bdesk ,

Police in SF are showin up?

Shush ,

To eat in a bakery? Sure.

GascOwn ,

Even if it’s about the cops, good. Fuck those bootlickers.

TheLurker ,

Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t the same people having a whinge over this make the point about how businesses have the right to choose who they serve? I believe this was a few years ago when a different bakery refused to serve gay people.

So it wasn’t about the rights of business to be run without government interference afterall.

Well there is a shocker.

Jaywarbs ,

Being gay and being a cop are not at all the same. One is a sexual orientation and one is a job. Cops chose their job.

TheLurker , (edited )

I think you may have misunderstood my post.

A few years ago conservatives got their back up because a bakery refused to serve gay people and reasonable people found that to be wrong.

Conservatives argued that a business has the right to choose who they serve without government interference. And this was held up in court.

Therefore those same people complaining about another bakery not serving the police is the same thing. But now the shoe is on the other foot and they are crying foul.

My post was meant to point out yet another example of hypocrisy from conservatives.

ngdev ,

The point they made enhances yours. Yes it is hypocritical, but is arguably worse on the conservatives’ part since sexual orientation is something you’re born with.

Imotali ,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

They don’t believe you’re born with it.

Jaywarbs ,

Thanks for explaining - yes I misunderstood and thought you were saying that those who were mad a bakery refused to serve gay people shouldn’t try to ban anyone else from their own stores. Sorry about that and thanks for explaining!

TheLurker ,

All good. Glad I had the opportunity to explain my position.

Thankyou.

deadbeef79000 ,

Fowl: bird. Foul: bad.

Though I’ll assume auto correct.

Peace!

TheLurker ,

Thank you for picking that up. I have updated the post.

QHC ,

That just makes the hypocrisy even worse!

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Joke incoming: gay community already accepted cops as their kind.

Or is it? Or did they?

cheesemonk ,

Wonder if we can use this to infer something about the thin blue line, back the blue folks…

TheLurker ,

I’m sure there is a message in there somewhere. I wouldn’t know because I’m just a dumb Libtard. But I’m sure those conservative geniuses out there could figure it out.

30mag ,

I don’t think the police unions supported that bakery.

Moyer1666 ,

The police complaining about something being bigoted? Are they that blind? Or do they really only care when it effects them…

MonkRome ,

The latter, it’s the latter.

gex ,

This is the worst kind of discrimination: the kind against me

PoliticalAgitator ,

They’re not blind, they just know more forms of abuse than punching their wives.

phaeton83 ,

The right wing very much likes twisting and using the language the left uses against them.

Drivebyhaiku ,

Aa the ban only applies to uniformed and armed cops and not plain clothed off duty ones they seem to be more outraged by the lack of convenience.

They seem to have wheeled out their Victorian fainting couch over the barest hint of being told to respect a PTSD trigger safe space for people who have been terrorized by uniformed and armed people. Oh the bigotry! (snerk)

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