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Confused_Emus ,

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intensely_human ,

I’d bet money that it isn’t their MAGA support that’s ruining their lives, but rather everyone else’s ostracizing them that’s doing it.

Juice , (edited )

More victims of wokeness, smh /s

jpreston2005 ,

I knew a gay republican couple. They both cheated on each other constantly. They didn’t do anything pro-gay or even remotely lgbt themed. They were actively ashamed of who they were. Both from affluent families, so that makes sense. One of them got me super drunk, and then took advantage of me while his partner was out of town. These are not good people.

ByteOnBikes ,

Ah, the Hateful Gay Type. Met a few of them in my life, all Trump supporters too. Never made any damn sense to me. Like they are driven by being a bitter piece of shit.

catloaf , (edited )

Gay people are just like all other people.

Moneo ,

hehe. You’re implying gay people aren’t regular people.

lolcatnip , (edited )

I think the implication is that “angry gay” is a distinct category with traits that aren’t purely the result of being angry or being gay.

Also I think people get way too hung up on the idea that being “normal” is good, so not being normal must be bad. Since that probably can’t be fixed, I think it’s better to use the word “typical” instead of normal because it’s not so loaded.

catloaf ,

Good point. I’ve changed it.

captainlezbian ,

I get the feeling they’re just normal hateful people who happen to be gay and are angry about it and committed to making it everyone’s problem

LaunchesKayaks ,
@LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world avatar

I know two married men who are openly and claim to be happily gay, adopted 4 children, but are so pro-trump and all that crazy shit. Idk how they can be like that. As a gay woman, it’s so confusing.

GreyEyedGhost ,

As a straight guy, I’m also confused.

prole ,

Give it a few months after Trump wins and it will literally ruin their lives.

intensely_human ,

All that anti-gay legislation Trump signed last time? It’s gonna be double this time!

RIPandTERROR ,
@RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

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frezik ,

“I’m almost anti-gay,” Dorman told The Post. “It’s an embarrassment to see this kind of behavior… I’d really invite them to go to Iran or Gaza. See what that does for you. See how fast they throw you in prison or kill you.”

“And that’s why I’m supporting a party that wants to do the same thing.”

some_guy ,

So you’re super fucking racist? (Not you, the person quoted from the article.) Ok, got it. Just wait until they do away with all the people who don’t look like you and then find out how that goes.

mydude ,

Back in the day, if you were gay, ignorant people thought their lifestyle had bad influece on others. They were afraid of the consequences of having gay people living close to them. The gays were ostracized, persecuted, ridiculed, excluded from bars/communities/etc. I just post this comment as a reminder. Please be nice to others. You don’t know where they come from. Try to be including, start dialogues, build bridges.

eldavi ,

i was alive back in that day and having to vote for someone that actively ostracized, persecuted and ridiculed my life until he opportunistically switched sides very recently hurts my soul.

Churbleyimyam ,

This has strong nottheonion vibes.

xc2215x ,

Maybe they should stop supporting him.

GiddyGap ,

How anyone can be a member of the LGBTQ community and vote Republican is beyond me. Makes no sense.

Cataath ,

Imagine either hating paying taxes or hating brown people so much you’d vote for people who want to see you hanged.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

I work with two lesbians who are Trumpers. No surprises, they hate all non-White people with a passion. The only thing that surprised me is that they’re so racist they hate Chinese food.

Aceticon , (edited )

It’s perfectly possible having been born with characteristics that make one a “member” of a minority and still be a prejudiced asshole who discriminates against “others”. In fact the prejudiced take is to expect that’s any less likely for people from a specific minority to be prejudiced than other people.

That said, Trump and his ilk are targeting with their hate LGBT+, though mainly Transexuals and LGBT+ isn’t really A community but several.

Considering that at least some year ago there were plenty of stories of Bisexual men being discriminated against by other LGBT+ people, it’s not overly surprising the notion that some people who are Gay would thing that attacks on Transexuality are nothing to do with them personally and might even agree with it.

Unlike the reductio ad absurdum fantasy of liberal Identity Politics, people do come in all kinds no mater what group you tag them as being members of.

Regrettable_incident ,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, having experienced discrimination doesn’t make someone immune from discriminating themselves. There are dumbfuck bigoted arseholes all across the spectrum of humanity.

GroundedGator ,

Punching down. It’s often why bullies are bullies, they are someone’s victim and the lesson they learn is to find someone weaker to make a victim.

If you tell someone they are less than and they believe it, they will start looking for someone less than themselves to treat the same way.

It’s inferiority from the top down. Trump talks in terms of being the best, the greatest, etc to mask his true feelings. He feels he is less than. Maybe not consciously, but it’s absolutely something that weighs on him.

kent_eh ,

having experienced discrimination doesn’t make someone immune from discriminating themselves.

It just makes them someone who lacks introspection, empathy, and the ability to recognize face eating leopards.

AA5B ,

Not the same. Of course there are dumbfuck bigoted assholes who fit somewhere in the queer spectrum. It’s the dumbfuck bigoted assholes that appear to be marginalizing themselves, supporting bigotry against themselves and everyone like them, that seems like the bigger inconsistency here.

For example bisexual men being discriminated against by people who are NOT bisexual is at least logically consistent

Aceticon ,

Gay people discriminating against Transexuals is also logically consistent (not Moral, but certainly logical for somebody whose thinking is “As long a I am alright”).

For me a logical explanation for some people who are Gay aligning themselves with Trump and their crowd is them thinking that the prejudices of those people are against Transexuals, not Gays, and as they do not see themselves as being the same and they’re not actually pro-Equality out of Principle but simply out of “what’s in it for me”, they’re ok with discrimination against Transexuals.

AA5B ,

That’s some serious tightrope walking

pythonoob ,

I met one the other day. I was dumb founded until he told me he was a business owner in Colorado.

GiddyGap ,

Republican policies being better for business is among the biggest lies Republicans have successfully told the public.

prole ,

It’s better for billionaire corporations, not small business owners.

But if it weren’t or those damn blacks and taxes, their small town company would totally be an international corporation!

pythonoob ,

Idk much about that. He just suddenly clicked into a schema I had in my brain.

Asafum ,

Propaganda, full stop.

My cousin is one of these. The reporting on Palestine and Democrat support pushed him even more to the right because of Israel…

Thetimefarm ,

I think some people have a flawed belief that one side is always correct. The Dem party is clearly handling isreal badly so to them the Republicans must be the good side.

Klear ,

See also tankies - American government did tons of shady shit so obviously Stalin must have been a saint.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

My cousins are big Trumpers and their biggest reason for supporting him is his anti-immigrant stance. The kicker is that they’re half-Thai with a mother who immigrated from Thailand. They happen to look Mexican and were bullied for that growing up, but that experience didn’t exactly teach them empathy or anything.

tigeruppercut ,

I’ve got a book for you. It’s from 2002 but it still has some insight into this topic

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinded_by_the_Right

AirDevil ,

I had a friend who is gay and supported Mitt Romney back in the day. He campaigned against gays. Obama won and legalized same-sex marriage. She is now married to her wife. Reminds me of her

eldavi , (edited )

obama didn’t legalize same sex marriage; the supreme court did

AirDevil ,

Granted, you’re technically right. Support for it was certainly a large part of Obama’s campaign though. It’s unclear what the overall result would have been for Obergfell vs Hodges with an administration that would have been vitriolic to the ruling.

eldavi ,

I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage.

– barrack obama 2008 during his campaign.

AirDevil ,

Voted against DOMA and eventually repealed it. There were some weird semantics about naming nomenclature of calling it a marriage in the early 2000’s. During the primaries he gave vague answers about some religions being opposed to it but did flip from earlier statements about same-sex marriages in his earlier career

eldavi ,

Voted against DOMA and eventually repealed it.

doma was voted and enacted in 1996.

obama entered federal politics in 2008.

the supreme court invalidated doma in 2015.

doma was repealed in 2022

AirDevil ,

You’re right and I’m misremembering how it happened. I really thought DOMA was later. I’m not sure the distinction between invalidating in verse repealing it. He may have seemed more pro-LGBTQ since others were more outwardly against it.

eldavi , (edited )

I’m not sure the distinction between invalidating in verse repealing it.

in practical terms:

  • the repeal had no impact and was done by a congressional act that gave anti-lgbtq bigots legal protections for their bigotry; it was little more than political theater to make democrats seem more progressive on an issue that they chose wrongly (and cover biden’s ass) in 1996.
  • the invalidation meant that i could sponsor my life partner for citizenship, but he had already been deported years prior and he was (barely) young enough to know that he had enough time to rebuild his life with someone else and did so; while i was too old and autistic to make getting back on that horse a reality.

He may have seemed more pro-LGBTQ since others were more outwardly against it.

i suspect there’s a blind spot when it comes to democratic voters and lgbt issues; it’s assumed they’re more gay friendly unless you’re bitten by their anti-gay policies.

FlyingSquid ,
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The person I really don’t understand- I mean I know she’s a horrible person, but I still don’t understand it- is Caitlyn Jenner. She’s supporting a party that openly wants to erase her.

norimee ,

She is the typical Republican -“Oh, but I’m the exeption. Thats different.”- type. She also speaks out publicly and loudly against trans women in women’s sports and then turns around and plays a women’s golf tournament.

FlyingSquid ,
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I guess I can’t fathom the level of cognitive dissonance it takes to vociferously get behind people who want you dead, but I guess these people existed too- en.wikipedia.org/…/Association_of_German_National…

solsangraal ,

level of cognitive dissonance

it’s doublethink. there is no “dissonance.” they literally believe two completely contradictory things simultaneously and have no problem with it

catloaf ,

Yeah. Cognitive dissonance is “the mental disturbance people feel when their beliefs and actions are inconsistent and contradictory”. If you’re happy with holding contradictory beliefs, that’s doublethink.

theangryseal ,

I’m glad you guys always come packing this link. Folks should know about this.

Pulptastic ,

Yeah but golf isn’t a sport.

todd_bonzalez ,

It’s Wealth.

If you have more money than most people, you convince yourself that you are different and more important than other people. The way you are treated validates that notion.

So politically, you’ll vote for people who protect your wealth rather than people who will protect your identity, because your wealth already protects you better than any anti-discrimination law could.

RustyShackleford ,
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Money talks.

Fuckfuckmyfuckingass ,
@Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world avatar

And bullshit walks.

Fuzzy_Red_Panda ,

I never thought about it that way but that makes perfect sense.

LaunchesKayaks ,
@LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world avatar

She has money. It’s a total “rules for thee but not for me” situation

WindyRebel ,

They’re going to find out, too late, that they’re not immune to bullets, windows, or poison and that their money can be seized by the ones who disappear them.

LaunchesKayaks ,
@LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world avatar

Yep. I’m absolutely terrified that I’ll have to go into the closet again. I’m afraid my one homophobic and transphobic coworker would report me if being gay becomes straight up illegal. Only person I know personally who isn’t cool with it.

AA5B ,

It’s both better and worse than that. It’s extremely unlikely that being gay could become straight up illegal, but is it really any different if discrimination is ok, gay marriage and family benefits are outlawed, being gay is again a “security concern”, police harassment is ok, and people again become hostile?

courval ,

It’s not that these people are necessarily dumb it’s a kink like any other. They want to keep the thrill of getting off on doing something illegal and socially unacceptable (in the fascist society they support)

Lemminary ,

Oh, weird, because their MAGA support is ruining other people’s lives as well but it doesn’t seem to cross their mind.

chalupapocalypse ,

You don’t have to be smart to be gay

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