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brbposting ,

https://files.catbox.moe/w5oxwo.gif

Yeah it was bad (full video also out there)

MeekerThanBeaker ,

If there were a cartoon definition of slimeball, this would be included.

barsquid ,

Like a cocaine-themed Batman villain.

Zahille7 ,

Jesus fuck and I thought don jr. had a coke problem… This dude’s whole body is bouncing all over the place with every word he says.

tgxn ,
@tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net avatar

This was 4 years ago?

some_guy ,

“That may not be necessary,” Stone continued. “There are technical, legal steps we have to take to try to have a more honest election.”

Fixed it: “That may not be necessary,” Stone continued. “There are technical, legal steps we have to take to try to have the appearance of a more honest election.”

Stone noted during the conversation that the Trump campaign is attempting to change state voting laws and plans to immediately file a number of lawsuits seeking to change the results should the former president lose again, as Trump allies did in Michigan and several other states in 2020.

This is looking grim. We might have to actually fight on this one. Sigh…

Gradually_Adjusting , (edited )
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the newest ARG, a Get Out / The Purge crossover where half the population pretends laws don’t exist and the other half has to try to keep their democratic institutions! Hijinks will ensue in this surreal tragicomedy Asshole Reality Game, brought to you by Koch Brothers ©!

hglman ,

By Jan 2025 the only outcomes are Trump has won without conflict or the election is a contested mess and congress is deadlocked on certification and they will have moved to the vote by state in the house. In which case trump will be elected.

ALoafOfBread ,

That thumbnail is terrifying. Genuinely thought it was a dude wearing a roger stone mask wtf

BigMacHole ,

I’m a Republican that does their own Research and even though the election hasn’t happened yet I ALREADY KNOW TRUMP LOST UNFAIRLY because of Sleepy Joe Biden being UNFAIR!

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

This is exactly how I feel so your comment is one hundred percent correct.

Dkarma ,

What’s the name of your face book research group?

JoeBigelow ,
@JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca avatar

My emotions validate my worldview!

RagingSnarkasm ,

Also caught on tape: “Pardon me.”

SwingingTheLamp , (edited )

Why aren’t these guys in jail? Seriously. I mean, I know the theory of the rule of law and all, but even our widely-acclaimed greatest president suspended habeas corpus when insurgent seditionists tried to overthrow the Union.

RestrictedAccount ,

I suspect that this is extremely dry humor, but for others that read this, Trump pardoned both Bannon and Stone

CraigeryTheKid ,

it’s still unfathomable that trump was “allowed” (I know it was “legal”, don’t point that out) to pardon his literal partners-in-crime. He basically has already self-pardoned himself by proxy by allowing these traitors to walk free.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Ford pardoned Nixon.

Bush Jr pardoned Scooter Libby.

Governor Abbott pardoned a pedophile for shooting a black girl’s white boyfriend

Why is this even remotely surprising?

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

the difference being that ford wasn’t involved in Nixon’s taping. etc. etc.

this is direct involvement, which makes it stink more.

disguy_ovahea ,

The only restrictions on presidential pardons are on convicted impeachment and the requirement that it must be a federal crime. Yes, Trump can even pardon himself from the federal documents, insurrection, and election fraud cases if he takes office again.

constitution.congress.gov/…/ALDE_00013316/

takeda ,

We should never have allowed a pardon before a conviction. What Ford did for Nixon created all kinds of paradoxes.

disguy_ovahea ,

Carter did it with draft dodgers too, but I agree.

frunch ,

Well that balances the damage lol

takeda ,

We messed up when we allowed Ford’s pardon of Nixon before he was convicted. We should only allow pardons after the person was convicted. That created all kinds of paradoxes:

  • creating a blanket pardon "from any crime that we don’t know yet about"
  • possible pocket pardon, where a president could pardon themselves secretly
  • hiring thugs on president benefit and giving pardon right before leaving office. They know they can do anything and will receive a blanket pardon. If president had to wait for conviction then there was no guarantee he would be there to pardon them. So it would make whole escapade more risky
  • total immunity which trump is arguing about would be even less likely if there was no blanket and pocket pardon and he had to wait until being convicted before being able to be pardoned
SwingingTheLamp ,

I’m not sure if I’m joking. In any case, the writ of habeas corpus is the legal tool that a court can theoretically use to compel the appearance of a prisoner before it. It is the legal doctrine that underlies the right to trial, and I say “theoretically” because courts rarely need to issue one; it’s just standard procedure to bring people to court to face charges.

By suspending it, Abraham Lincoln could detain those people he deemed dangerous seditionists indefinitely, because the detainees would have to go to court to challenge their detention, and there was no way to get to court. The effect of suspending it again is that it wouldn’t matter that Baboon (autocorrect and I’m leaving it) and Stone were pardoned, or that there were even criminal charges.

Lincoln did it, George W. Bush did it. Barack Obama did it. The Constitution contains a clause which allows it to be suspended due to rebellion or threats to public safety. It’s a dangerous thing to allow a president to do, but the MAGA danger might be greater.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Worth noting that, historically speaking, if a state official wanted to punish someone without going through the court system he could always just turn the prisoner over to a lynch mob.

So while suspending habeaus corpus is a danger to democracy, it is not a singular method by which mayors, governors, or Presidents have disposed of political opponents.

Tryptaminev ,

In other words the US is neither a state of law nor is it a democracy as separation of power can be overturned whenever the president feels like it.

Censored ,

Emergency powers are in most constitutions because people generally understand that during war things have to operate a little differently. You can’t allow the enemy, who is attacking you physically, to go and publish propaganda that attacks you rhetorically and turns the populace’s loyalty towards the other side. The problem we have now is the constant use of emergency powers. That needs to be shut down. Emergency powers should be limited to a certain timeframe, and reviewed by congress after that. Not these multi decade states of emergency.

Serinus ,

I have to say, “you’ve been unpardoned” would be a great line.

evatronic ,

Because Trump pardoned him.

npr.org/…/trump-pardons-roger-stone-paul-manafort…

SwingingTheLamp ,

As in my other reply, the Constitution allows the suspension of habeas corpus in cases of rebellion or threats to public safety, and without that writ, charges and sentences are irrelevant.

rsuri ,

The Supreme Court has held that the Constitution contains a right to habeas corpus in Boumedine v. Bush. The Lincoln thing was never fully litigated and was probably unconstitutional.

hglman ,

The Constitution doesn’t empower the court to interpret the constitution. If the executive chose to ignore the court it would be perfectly legal.

rsuri ,

Well that’s an even older decision:

Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court that established the principle of judicial review, meaning that American courts have the power to strike down laws and statutes they find to violate the Constitution of the United States. Decided in 1803, Marbury is regarded as the single most important decision in American constitutional law.

hglman ,

Yes, the supreme Court gave itself that power. To that end the other branches could justifiably choose to not find that to be valid.

Burn_The_Right ,

Throughout human history, laws have never stopped conservatism. Jails have never stopped conservatism. Pacifism has never stopped conservatism. Only force has ever stopped conservatism. Only force.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Careful or you’ll get called a tankie

Pips ,

Tankies are literal authoritarians. People say they’re “authoritarian communists,” which ignores they’re mostly Maoists or Stalinists, both of whom were closer to fascism than the left. It sort of ignores the basic premise of communism or even socialism to have a single authoritarian ruler. Kind of like how the Nazis called themselves socialists. I guess they were a workers’ party to start, but I don’t think you can reasonably conflate their ideology with the tenets of socialism.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

That’s certainly a take

Tryptaminev ,

The Nazis only used the label socialists to deceive the working class. They said so plenty of times when meeting with the industrialists whose bidding they were doing. They never were a workers party and they knew that it was only in name to be more palatable. This deception now has been replaced with “owning the libs” and whatever the local version of neoliberal, conservative or fascist ideology you have around the world.

novibe ,

What’s Stalinism 🤔

explodicle ,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism

novibe ,

I was being pedantic. There is no such thing as Stalinism, that article is a joke. Stalin was just a Marxist Leninist.

nyctre ,

No, you don’t understand. The problem is that those people haven’t had enough time to bring upon real communism. Real communism hasn’t been reached yet. They want to let the Maos and Stalins of the world have enough time to reach communism. Things will surely be different with the next guy.

Dkarma ,

Trump is just Stalin and mai with less power.

There is no difference between authoritarianism at either end of the spectrum.

The issue with authoritarianism isn’t “communism or fascism” it’s a symptom of shitty PEOPLE NOT TYPE OF GOVERNMENT.

STalin wasn’t a shithead BECAUSE he was commumist, but in spite of it.

barsquid ,

People get called that when they’re pretending to be far left while urging everyone to take the exact actions the Repubs want them to take.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Is this code for “people who aren’t voting for Joe Biden”?

barsquid ,

It’s code for “antifascist” “leftists” who are urging people to do the exact same things that the Republican party wants them to do.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

urging people to do the exact same things

Specifically, which things?

barsquid ,

If you’re upset about being called a tankie, you could cross-reference what you are urging people to do with what the Republican party wants people to do. And then stop that.

In general I would recommend being antifascist in a way that isn’t the exact same actions as overt fascism with the only difference being the rhetoric justifying the actions.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

What am I urging people to do?

barsquid ,

Fuck if I know. You’re whining about being called a tankie. I can explain why that happens in general. You’ll have to figure the rest out on your own. Maybe if you do some reading and educate yourself you can get there.

Censored ,

Tankie is the pro-authoritarian left. The Stalinists essentially. The ones who think it’s appropriate to send in the tanks to quell a socialist or communist uprising because it has a tint of democracy in it, which may cause their strong leader to lose dictatorial power.

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    dogslayeggs ,

    It depends on whether you consider PRC and Stalin “left.” There are plenty of their supporters out on the internet.

    pyre ,

    that would be people who are essentially voting for trump, so yeah, why not.

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    Tankies these days are conservatives wrapped in an authoritarian shell. Instead of just being supportive of their own authoritarian government they try to destabilize other governments for their gain.

    Censored ,

    That’s not what being a tankie is lol

    Censored ,

    Roger Stone’s been to jail a number of times. He really doesn’t care because he knows he’ll get pardoned. Also he’s basically a mafia don, so I imagine he gets a lot of respect in prison from republicans.

    beetlejuice0001 , (edited )

    In what capacity does he resemble the mafia? He’s a snake. These guys want to desperately be associated with the mafia but they’re just con men. The Mafia were intelligent criminals.

    Everyone needs to remember this guy shaking hands with world leaders during his years in office. In every single picture he is smiling like a pig in shit. It is only after the indictment photo he is attempting to rebrand himself as some sort of tough guy criminal instead of a slimy, smug con artist.

    takeda ,

    He was going to face a trial and likely prison, but trump pardoned him and the rest.

    Prandom_returns ,

    Huh? Why would anyone with power go to jail in an oligarchy? Unless you upset the more powerful oligarch.

    Xaphanos ,

    I get fundraising texts occasionally. I don’t know why. But the one that came on the heels of the conviction had a section of fine print declaring what the money was for. It included a “recount challenge fund”. This is in the open.

    242 ,

    Well, given how broke the Republican Party is they’re probably still paying off the lawyers from their failed challenges from 2020. But they’re also planning on doing it again.

    D1G17AL ,

    I don't know if anyone else has pointed this out, in this photo especially, Roger Stone looks like a caricature of Mr. Burns from The Simpsons.

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Roger Stone looks like a caricature of Mr. Burns from The Simpsons.

    Who is himself a caricature of an old and evil rich man. If the shoe fits…

    Btw, remember when he showed up to the inauguration looking like a literal Batman villain?

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7ae57ae3-4045-42d3-b6f4-8dd1e36c6078.jpeg

    havocpants ,

    wow, posh spice let herself go

    ImADifferentBird ,
    @ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    IIRC, Mr. Burns was meant to be a caricature of specifically Rupert Murdoch.

    octopus_ink ,

    I say if Ebeneezer Scrooge were a real person and alive today, that is exactly what he would look like.

    0110010001100010 ,
    @0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar

    Of course the orange turd is going to challenge it, this shouldn’t surprise anyone. He wasn’t even given a slap on the wrist for inciting a mob to try to overthrow the government. Why wouldn’t he try again?

    Stone is just a useful idiot which also shouldn’t surprise anyone.

    TransplantedSconie ,

    How would he know? Trump isn’t supposed to talk with felons.

    PunnyName ,

    Get those mirrors out of his living spaces.

    Viking_Hippie , (edited )

    That’s only if he gets away with probation. Due to him talking with felons all day every day and the fact that he’s publicly shown ALL of the contempt (in both the colloquial and legal sense of the word) of the court and continues to do so, that’s unlikely in spite of the kid gloves he’s being treated with.

    My guess is he gets community service and I hope it involves picking up thrash while wearing a jumpsuit that matches his skin.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I can’t wait for Fox News. “PRESIDENT TRUMP is picking up trash! He has to bend down and PICK UP TRASH! He is being treated more unfairly than ANY AMERICAN has EVER BEEN TREATED in the HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY!”

    Censored ,

    I hate to burst your bubble, but Trump’s not going to be picking up trash. He will either get house arrest, or community service. Community service will likely consist of recording public service announcements. This is how celebrities are typically treated.

    His security is actually a valid concern for the court, which must be considered. It’s impossible to guarantee his security while picking up trash on the side of the highway - since anyone could stop and shoot. Likewise, it is impossible to guarantee his security in prison without solitary confinement.

    Of course, it is possible that one day he may get to run his own prison like Pablo Escobar, but I think house arrest is more likely. He’ll love it. Sitting on his ass in Mar a Lago, doing virtual campaign events, watching the news and shitposting all day.

    WhatYouNeed ,

    Solidarity confinement sounds good.

    No access to a mobile phone or another person forced to listen to him moan, would drive him absolutely bonkers.

    jordanlund ,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not going to advocate violence for this guy, but can we bring back the pillory or something? Him and Steve Bannon both.

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillory

    Zahille7 ,

    I wouldn’t call locking them in a kneeled position while people throw rotten food at them “violent,” necessarily.

    But I’d love to see it happen anyway.

    jaybone ,

    Once they are already in the position it wouldn’t be too hard to move them to the guillotine.

    prole ,

    Unfortunately, Roger Stone would probably get off on it.

    nkat2112 ,
    @nkat2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Stone: The lights are on, but no one’s home.

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