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‘Will I ever retire?’: millennials wonder what’s on the other side of middle age

Claire*, 42, was always told: “Follow your dreams and the money will follow.” So that’s what she did. At 24, she opened a retail store with a friend in downtown Ottawa, Canada. She’d managed to save enough from a part-time government job during university to start the business without taking out a loan.

For many years, the store did well – they even opened a second location. Claire started to feel financially secure. “A few years ago I was like, wow, I actually might be able to do this until I retire,” she told me. “I’ll never be rich, but I have a really wonderful work-life balance and I’ll have enough.”

But in midlife, she can’t afford to buy a house, and she’s increasingly worried about what retirement would look like, or if it would even be possible. “Was I foolish to think this could work?” she now wonders.

She’s one of many millennials who, in their 40s, are panicking about the realities of midlife: financial precarity, housing insecurity, job instability and difficulty saving for the future. It’s a different kind of midlife crisis – less impulsive sports car purchase and more “will I ever retire?” In fact, a new survey of 1,000 millennials showed that 81% feel they can’t afford to have a midlife crisis. Our generation is the first to be downwardly mobile, at least in the US, and do less well than our parents financially. What will the next 40 years will look like?

HawlSera ,

My plan is “hope the afterlife is real and then be a spooky ghost”

afraid_of_zombies ,

My wife has a job with an awesome pension and as a result there is basically no situation she will ever leave. I pointed out to her that the golden handcuffs are still golden.

One day some MBAs are going to learn that if you don’t want constant turn over you give workers a pension so great they would crawl over their mother’s corpse to get it.

What am I saying? MBAs learning? Hahaha I love being silly.

nickwitha_k ,

One day some MBAs are going to learn that if you don’t want constant turn over you give workers a pension so great they would crawl over their mother’s corpse to get it.

Plus, modern MBAs see turnover as a good things because it makes the short-term investors happy.

Spacehooks ,

Wtf why?

maniclucky ,

Sociopathy, lack of long term planning skills, drugs (metaphorical and physical). Some combination of those I suspect.

nickwitha_k ,

This is an appropriate reaction, in my opinion. Modern economic philosophy is entirely myopic with no apparent perceived value in anything beyond the next quarter. From that perspective, if your employees have already created value and you’ve budgeted more than severance would cost (or think you can get away with constructive dismissal), then, for the quarter, getting rid of employees looks like a financial positive.

HobbitFoot ,

For some, you get the Jack Walsh thinking that some employees are going to be statistically bad performers, so it is good to get rid of them.

You also have other cases where lowering the time to train means you can expand faster since you don’t need to find quality staff. The original McDonald’s trained its staff to be able to be high output restaurants. The business model changed to needing less worker training to help fuel expansion.

You also have the case where some managers believe some jobs only require a commodity level labor. At that point, there is no value in training.

afraid_of_zombies ,

So tired of hearing that shitstain’s name. I admit there is some wisdom to the up or out approach. You know for very very high level workers. Like C-suite or a rank below. Doing it across the company just promises misery and failure.

Spacehooks ,

Christ…

uis ,

Faust…

henfredemars ,

Wasn’t there a study that said MBAs don’t have object permanence nor a real conscious understanding of the passage of time?

Money today. That’s all these businesses understand.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

Just give them a box of crayons to eat so the adults can get some work done for once.

TAG , (edited )
@TAG@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately, living in the US, I would not take a job with a pension because the (private) pension system cannot be trusted. I remember the 00s when many company pension accounts went bankrupt, because companies were no longer offering it as a benefit and it was easy enough to screw over retired past employees. Companies would take poorly performing divisions and their pension plans, spin them off as a new company that would quickly file for bankruptcy.

I would not trust a pension without it being insured by an organization like the FDIC. Even then, I would be afraid that my pension would not cover living costs due to inflation.

Luckily there are alternatives. I have a 401k, which should give me a steady flow of inflation proof dividends… until a market downturn wipes it out. If that happens, I can fall back to Social Security. Don’t believe the baloney that the government will ever let Social Security go bankrupt. They will just cut down benefits.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I don’t deny things like that happened. You heard about them right? So did I. But that’s the thing, these are the stories you heard. It’s man bites dog, it is observation bias.

Also her pension is insured. And I am pretty sure the bankruptcy thing you mentioned was one particular case with a car part maker.

uis ,

I searched what MBA actually means. Fuck that shit. Degree in “Business Administration” sounds like degree in praying. Wait, there is one! Fuck!

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

It doesn’t matter if any specific MBA learns a lesson. Some other douche canoe will swing by and have their single brain cell fire off just this one time and they’ll start hacking away at the pensions to make Q3 look better.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Boeing style.

No more moon shots, contract out everything, slash pensions, fight a war against your union, move corporate away from production, buy your own stock.

Samvega ,

As someone born in '82, I plan to feel a strong dispassion for human society, and then die.

prettybunnys ,

‘85 … I expect to die in the water wars.

Samvega ,

Bless the maker and his water, Bless the coming and going of him, may his passing cleanse the world.

TheRealShadeSlimmy ,
uis ,

00s, I hope to not die for Putin’s palaces and yachts.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

I just need to do the dying part.

HexesofVexes ,

Alas, I do have a plan involving retirement. It is filed under “things that happen to other people”.

The probability I’ll survive to retirement age is negligible, why worry about it?

Grass ,

Now try being a mid 30s millenial that couldn’t even make it running a business

deo ,

For real. I’m over here having a mid-life crisis since I was 27.

eldavi ,

i felt like that at 28 after my 3rd layoff, i’m in my early 40’s now and still feel this way and wish the article had something to share besides describing my life using other people as an examples.

AdolfSchmitler ,

That was your “quarter-life crisis”. Don’t worry your mid-life crisis is still on its way :D

cmbabul ,

Goddamn right, I thought the quarter was rough, I was wrong

Cryophilia ,

Running a business is way harder than just being a worker. I don’t understand what you mean by this.

Grass ,

in the article someone with a successful business is worried about home affordability and retirement. elsewhere someone with an unsuccessful business is worried about both of those things plus the business bleeding money. I’m referring to myself. I ended my so called business, quitting while I was behind because there is no getting ahead of the explotative big players without drowning in stress and never having time to relax or enkoy life.

Cryophilia ,

Aw shit I did the classic reddit thing and only read the headline. Sorry, that’s my bad.

Grass ,

I do that all the time too.

AA5B ,

Of course I’ll retire, when I can no longer get a job, and that time is coming up fast. I only hope it’s not until I get my teens through college and off to a running start. I don’t see how I can afford to keep my house or even continue to live in this town, though

I’m not sure I agree with the narrative about being worse off by generation, though, because it is so tied to what you do. I’m a little sad about my older son starting adult life “in hard mode”: i’m proud that he wants to teach, and we live in an area with generally better teacher pay, but he’ll never earn much. It has certainly made my life easier to be paid better as a software engineer, even if circumstances mean I’m not financially able to retire. He’ll almost certainly live with less, have fewer opportunities, purely by choice of career, and without regard to his generation. Tack on the excessive housing inflation and his desire to stay in a hcol state, and I can’t help but worry for him

klemptor ,
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On the plus side, your son will likely have an amazing pension. His retirement is probably more guaranteed than yours!

AA5B ,

Plus social security. OUr effing politicians keep procrastinating on fixing social security, so the biggest impact will be when they are forced to at the last minute, when I need it most. My kids will have lived through that, seen social security fixed, and live in better demographics for it to stay fixed

Dkarma ,

It doesn’t need to be fixed they just need to fund it. The open secret is they’ve stolen money from ss for years.

Triasha ,

Social security is funded by government bonds.

Bonds are just a promise the government makes to pay a certain amount of money at a certain amount of interest after a certain time has passed.

They aren’t stacking gold bars in fort Knox.

(They might or might not be stacking gold, they just aren’t paying for social security that way.)

SS has always been a funded by the promise to pay it. I don’t understand what you mean by “stealing”

No one has been paid less than they are owed just because SS ran a surplus for 60 years.

555 ,

she has about $75,000 saved up for a downpayment

Oh you poor child. That’s not even close to enough. 💀

Maggoty ,

It’ll get somewhere just north of half a million.

555 ,

So a two bedroom condo. Probably not what most people had in mind for that much work.

Drusas ,

Studio condo here....

555 ,

You got four walls? Lucky.

Maggoty ,

Yeah that’s about it where I am but in other places that’s a 2b/2b house with a half acre yard, which isn’t horrible.

555 ,

I guess that means you can add on to the house. Like one of those shanty towns.

Dkarma ,

It is tho. 75k gets u closed on a 300k house with 20% down basically

card797 ,

I will retire eventually. That may be due to my inability to be productive at an advanced age. I don’t see why we shouldn’t still get social security payments. I’m gonna just stop eventually once my kids are working. I have a small house and it will have been paid for by that time. Hopefully I can just rest at that point. Job done.

iegod ,

How are you going to make those tax payments, maintenance costs, transportation costs, etc. You think your social security will be enough to cover? Or is the plan “sell the house”?

card797 ,

I have a 401k. Live in Louisiana there is little property tax. I’ll just die eventually.

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

That’s the spirit!

AAA ,

What’s on the other side of middle age? Well, I’m not there yet, but it sure looks like the answer is “more work”.

buddascrayon ,

Meanwhile your grandparents were golfing at 65 and are living comfortably on their reverse mortgages up to 95 years old.

coaxil ,

What are we calling middle age? because 35 is about middle age on a global average

AAA ,

Well, going by the article: 40.

brlemworld ,

Who told her that? That’s obviously bad advise.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

What a quaint question. I honestly wonder if I’ll live my full life and die with a dignity instead of how i suspect, with a fistfull of dirt and a pigs boot on my skull.

Bobmighty ,

You won’t retire, no. No longer work a job because everything is slowly falling apart as our climate apocalypse trudges on? Sure, but you’ll still be working hard to survive.

MeDuViNoX ,
@MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lol!

No.

werefreeatlast ,

I’m one of these people. I’m looking at possible war with several countries thanks to Putin and Trumpfus. At the same time I’m making good money but the children below me are already making more so how can I even think I’ll have the same chances. But at least I’m not at the bottom of the barrel. I can imagine my mother for example cannot sell her house and she can barely pay for the incorrect in water electric and taxes in San Diego. She’s basically locked until her death. Then my brother will be in the same boat.

extremeboredom ,

LOL I’m never retiring. I’ve already accepted that I’ll be working until I’m dead. There are those who get dealt the right cards and will get to retire comfortably. I’m just not one of them.

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