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‘Will I ever retire?’: millennials wonder what’s on the other side of middle age

Claire*, 42, was always told: “Follow your dreams and the money will follow.” So that’s what she did. At 24, she opened a retail store with a friend in downtown Ottawa, Canada. She’d managed to save enough from a part-time government job during university to start the business without taking out a loan.

For many years, the store did well – they even opened a second location. Claire started to feel financially secure. “A few years ago I was like, wow, I actually might be able to do this until I retire,” she told me. “I’ll never be rich, but I have a really wonderful work-life balance and I’ll have enough.”

But in midlife, she can’t afford to buy a house, and she’s increasingly worried about what retirement would look like, or if it would even be possible. “Was I foolish to think this could work?” she now wonders.

She’s one of many millennials who, in their 40s, are panicking about the realities of midlife: financial precarity, housing insecurity, job instability and difficulty saving for the future. It’s a different kind of midlife crisis – less impulsive sports car purchase and more “will I ever retire?” In fact, a new survey of 1,000 millennials showed that 81% feel they can’t afford to have a midlife crisis. Our generation is the first to be downwardly mobile, at least in the US, and do less well than our parents financially. What will the next 40 years will look like?

ThePyroPython ,

Retire? Nah when I’m done with life I’m just going to blow my brains out all over a politician or millionaire hedge fund manager.

They want to fuck over my future, I’ll take their sanity and gift wrap enough PTSD that every sleep is a nightmare.

Twitches ,

I like your idea

MenacingPerson ,

Optimism is thinking they’d even get PTSD. Nah, they’ll just be like “stupid millennials have crossed a line”

blackstampede ,

The same thing that’s on the first side, but in reverse.

HawlSera ,

My plan is “hope the afterlife is real and then be a spooky ghost”

fell ,
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can’t afford to buy a house

My simple solution to this problem: Just don’t buy a house then. Just accept you’ll never own real estate and move on.

eldavi ,

houses are an asset that a lot of people leverage once they can’t work; unless you’re already rich, not having one you’ll end up dying due from things that cost money like healthcare, food, or shelter.

HexesofVexes ,

Alas, I do have a plan involving retirement. It is filed under “things that happen to other people”.

The probability I’ll survive to retirement age is negligible, why worry about it?

LordCrom ,

Hell. Gen X also are worried about retirement.

Will social security be here in 15 years? My 401k has not kept up at all… Everything today costs soooooooo much there’s no real room for saving.

JakJak98 ,

Right??

Early Gen Z / very tail end of millennial here.

Got a job that pays ~80k (with promotion potential to 100k in a year) and I’m just… dumbfounded at how yall are making it. I didn’t grow up wealthy at all, and struggled with homelessness for a time, so I’m not new to the frugal game, but being able to put away only a hundred or two bucks a month after taxes is crazy with the hours and time I put into existing. I’d rather just not work at all if the end result is the same.

Doordash is a crux in my life and something I’ve definitely splurged on in the past, but groceries are just as expensive outside of rice beans and chicken. Baffling. :(

LordCrom ,

At this point, I’m still looking at working till the day I die.

dhork ,

being able to put away only a hundred or two bucks a month after taxes is crazy with the hours and time I put into existing.

Every little bit helps. Future you will thank you for even putting that amount away.

JakJak98 ,

I try, but of course life finds a way to rip whatever savings I’ve got slowly but surely.

Imalostmerchant ,

What do you invest your 401k in?

SwampYankee ,

Most recent social security trustees report says the trust fund will run out in 2035. What happens in 2035? Benefits are still funded at 83% in perpetuity. By the way, last year it was going to run out in 2033, and the year before that it was going to run out in 2031. And also by the way, the trust fund was specifically set up because they knew the baby boomers were going to stress the system, so it’s supposed to get depleted as the boomers use it.

Everything is working mostly as intended, and yet there’s all this anxiety around Social Security. Why? Because Republicans want you to think Social Security is fucked all on its own so that you don’t question it when they ratfuck it. That and they want to constantly frame the conversation as such so that the conversation doesn’t turn to “how do we make social security more robust and generous?” or some other radical socialist nonsense.

catch22 ,
@catch22@programming.dev avatar

Early Gen X, late millennial here. This, wondering how we are going to pay for the skyrocketing health care, day to to living, and send our kids to school. We are told to invest in 401k’s which after living through the dot com bust and housing crash, is a total fucking gamble. How are we going to live? I.have.no.fucking.idea. To be blunt, this country just doesn’t give a fuck, I expect to be working until I die.

whome ,

My plan is to open a kiosk once I retire im a night owl anyways and it’s not too physically demanding.

BarbecueCowboy ,

Man, that’s a lot better than my plan.

My plan was just to add a lot more bbq and fried food to my diet once I get to around 60.

uis ,

Was it speedrun of unhealthy diet?

CaptKoala ,

Obesity%

BarbecueCowboy ,

I will die the way I always wanted to live.

Surrounded by an assortment of artisanal barbecue sauces and fancy hot sauce.

capt_wolf , (edited )
@capt_wolf@lemmy.world avatar

Gonna leave a bit of advice for any young folks that might see this. Something I wish to god someone had told me when I was 20.

Start an annuity plan. They’re generally stable, all but guaranteed to accrue money. You can set a percentage of your paycheck to be deposited automatically into the account. If you have the option to do this through your employer, do it, find out if they match the deposit like mine. Put 10% of your paycheck in there. After 10 years, I have $40,000 sitting in a retirement account with a progressive series of bonds set to mature in between now and my retirement age. Those bonds will roll back into shorter term bonds as they mature, and add more value to the account. My projected retirement age is still 72, but at least I know that money is there.

Also, after 4 years, the account matures and you’re able to borrow against it, like collateral for a loan. So if I wanted to right now, I could take that money and use it as a down payment on a house. I’ll be expected to put it back, but the interest is generally lower than a home owner’s loan.

JustARegularNerd ,

This sounds a lot like superannuation that we have in Australia and is mandatory. A certain amount of money from your paycheck is put with a super and they invest it for you, and the idea is that you should have a few hundred grand by the time you retire.

teamevil ,

In the US that was Social Security but currently it’s broken

gamermanh ,

But what happens if you have an annuity and need cash noooooowwwwwww?

LemmyFeed ,

Call J.G. Wentworth!

SendMePhotos ,

877-CASH-NOW!

grrgyle ,

The downfall of every one of my savings plans. At a certain point rent takes priority

Cryophilia ,

Generally speaking in the US annuities are horrible and significantly underperform a regular 401k/IRA invested in a broad total market index fund. The fees eat you alive. Don’t know how it is in other countries. But annuities here are damn near fraud.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Annuities have been bad because they invest in bonds and interest rates have been very low in recent years.

Over the next 10-20 years stocks could crash and rates increase.

ryrybang ,

I mean, if this is what you believe, you can still invest in bonds in a 401k or brokerage account. Even if I believed this about stocks crashing, I still wouldn’t put any $ in an annuity.

Also, predicting the stock market and making huge decisions based on that tends to not go well.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

The main benefit of an annuity over bonds is that it will keep paying out until you die.

A small annuity that just covers you and your spouses essential living expenses is not a bad investment.

I agree, large annuities are a waste.

brlemworld ,

Who told her that? That’s obviously bad advise.

AA5B ,

Of course I’ll retire, when I can no longer get a job, and that time is coming up fast. I only hope it’s not until I get my teens through college and off to a running start. I don’t see how I can afford to keep my house or even continue to live in this town, though

I’m not sure I agree with the narrative about being worse off by generation, though, because it is so tied to what you do. I’m a little sad about my older son starting adult life “in hard mode”: i’m proud that he wants to teach, and we live in an area with generally better teacher pay, but he’ll never earn much. It has certainly made my life easier to be paid better as a software engineer, even if circumstances mean I’m not financially able to retire. He’ll almost certainly live with less, have fewer opportunities, purely by choice of career, and without regard to his generation. Tack on the excessive housing inflation and his desire to stay in a hcol state, and I can’t help but worry for him

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

On the plus side, your son will likely have an amazing pension. His retirement is probably more guaranteed than yours!

AA5B ,

Plus social security. OUr effing politicians keep procrastinating on fixing social security, so the biggest impact will be when they are forced to at the last minute, when I need it most. My kids will have lived through that, seen social security fixed, and live in better demographics for it to stay fixed

Dkarma ,

It doesn’t need to be fixed they just need to fund it. The open secret is they’ve stolen money from ss for years.

Triasha ,

Social security is funded by government bonds.

Bonds are just a promise the government makes to pay a certain amount of money at a certain amount of interest after a certain time has passed.

They aren’t stacking gold bars in fort Knox.

(They might or might not be stacking gold, they just aren’t paying for social security that way.)

SS has always been a funded by the promise to pay it. I don’t understand what you mean by “stealing”

No one has been paid less than they are owed just because SS ran a surplus for 60 years.

card797 ,

I will retire eventually. That may be due to my inability to be productive at an advanced age. I don’t see why we shouldn’t still get social security payments. I’m gonna just stop eventually once my kids are working. I have a small house and it will have been paid for by that time. Hopefully I can just rest at that point. Job done.

iegod ,

How are you going to make those tax payments, maintenance costs, transportation costs, etc. You think your social security will be enough to cover? Or is the plan “sell the house”?

card797 ,

I have a 401k. Live in Louisiana there is little property tax. I’ll just die eventually.

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

That’s the spirit!

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

What a quaint question. I honestly wonder if I’ll live my full life and die with a dignity instead of how i suspect, with a fistfull of dirt and a pigs boot on my skull.

AAA ,

What’s on the other side of middle age? Well, I’m not there yet, but it sure looks like the answer is “more work”.

buddascrayon ,

Meanwhile your grandparents were golfing at 65 and are living comfortably on their reverse mortgages up to 95 years old.

coaxil ,

What are we calling middle age? because 35 is about middle age on a global average

AAA ,

Well, going by the article: 40.

Bobmighty ,

You won’t retire, no. No longer work a job because everything is slowly falling apart as our climate apocalypse trudges on? Sure, but you’ll still be working hard to survive.

Veraxus ,

Am millennial… xenniel or “elder millennial to be exact… I have completely given up on ever owning a home or being able to retire. Short of some major acts of public disruption at unprecedented, economy-toppling, billionaire-eating scale, my entire generation - and those after us - are fucked.

DarthBueller ,

And yet we act like boiled frogs, each generation making fun of the prior one for expecting things to be better than they are. Gen z is so used to things being like shit that they think that all older generations are entitled fuckers And that we should get used to everything being worse because Right now it’s the best they’ve ever known.

brlemworld ,

You only need like 5% down for a home. Zero if you are a veteran for some reason. Mortgage is almost always cheaper than renting.

Veraxus ,

Unfortunately, this age-old folk wisdom just isn’t true any more.

Near Los Angeles (and many/most big cities these days) even “fixer-upper””starter” homes cost $1,000,000.

5% down ($50k) would result in a monthly mortgage payment of $7,939.88 which more than twice my rent payment, which is already high.

And saving is nearly impossible given the rate at which the basic costs of living (including rent) have skyrocketed in recent decades.

sgtgig ,

It worked for me last year. Put 5% on a home near a major city, purchase price $425k

Some areas like LA are just a special kind of fucked, but you don’t have to live there.

Dkarma ,

Even at 425 PMI is killing you to the tune of an extra 300/ month

sgtgig ,

$61/mo actually.

Cryophilia ,

The lesson here is do the calculations for your area. There are a lot of “buy vs rent” calculators online.

Buddahriffic ,

Yeah, I bought fairly recently (as interest rates were starting to climb) and it was 100% a qol decision rather than a financial one. I’m paying more in interest now than I was paying in rent before, so instead of giving my money away to a landlord, I’m giving it away to my mortgage company.

The only way I’ll come out ahead financially is if the value goes up. But I have mixed feelings on that, too, because the housing situation is fucked here and value continuing to go up will mean that the situation is still fucked. I don’t want this place to be my home forever, so if the price here goes up, then the price of better places will also go up and it ends up being a wash until I don’t need to own and can sell, but even that would be tough because inheritance is probably going to be my daughter’s only way of ever owning her own place.

Or, on the other hand, if they fix the housing issue here by limiting the number of residences any person can own and barring corporations from owning at all (or at least not having them count as new people for number of places they can own), then prices will crash and most people who currently has a mortgage will end up owing more than their house is worth and will still be fucked in that way. Unless the government makes the banks eat some of that or does a bailout for homeowners.

But anything in the above paragraph would probably take a revolution to actually happen because all of these bugs for regular people are features for those that have the wealth to influence the political power.

Cryophilia ,

Or best option, rather than a crash we massage the housing market into stagnation for a decade or two with a combination of increased supply and gradual regulation. Stagnation in housing prices will over time let wages catch up.

EvacuateSoul ,

Zero down also for USDA home loans

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