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‘Will I ever retire?’: millennials wonder what’s on the other side of middle age

Claire*, 42, was always told: “Follow your dreams and the money will follow.” So that’s what she did. At 24, she opened a retail store with a friend in downtown Ottawa, Canada. She’d managed to save enough from a part-time government job during university to start the business without taking out a loan.

For many years, the store did well – they even opened a second location. Claire started to feel financially secure. “A few years ago I was like, wow, I actually might be able to do this until I retire,” she told me. “I’ll never be rich, but I have a really wonderful work-life balance and I’ll have enough.”

But in midlife, she can’t afford to buy a house, and she’s increasingly worried about what retirement would look like, or if it would even be possible. “Was I foolish to think this could work?” she now wonders.

She’s one of many millennials who, in their 40s, are panicking about the realities of midlife: financial precarity, housing insecurity, job instability and difficulty saving for the future. It’s a different kind of midlife crisis – less impulsive sports car purchase and more “will I ever retire?” In fact, a new survey of 1,000 millennials showed that 81% feel they can’t afford to have a midlife crisis. Our generation is the first to be downwardly mobile, at least in the US, and do less well than our parents financially. What will the next 40 years will look like?

MeDuViNoX ,
@MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lol!

No.

555 ,

she has about $75,000 saved up for a downpayment

Oh you poor child. That’s not even close to enough. 💀

Maggoty ,

It’ll get somewhere just north of half a million.

555 ,

So a two bedroom condo. Probably not what most people had in mind for that much work.

Drusas ,

Studio condo here....

555 ,

You got four walls? Lucky.

Maggoty ,

Yeah that’s about it where I am but in other places that’s a 2b/2b house with a half acre yard, which isn’t horrible.

555 ,

I guess that means you can add on to the house. Like one of those shanty towns.

Dkarma ,

It is tho. 75k gets u closed on a 300k house with 20% down basically

Bobmighty ,

You won’t retire, no. No longer work a job because everything is slowly falling apart as our climate apocalypse trudges on? Sure, but you’ll still be working hard to survive.

AA5B ,

Of course I’ll retire, when I can no longer get a job, and that time is coming up fast. I only hope it’s not until I get my teens through college and off to a running start. I don’t see how I can afford to keep my house or even continue to live in this town, though

I’m not sure I agree with the narrative about being worse off by generation, though, because it is so tied to what you do. I’m a little sad about my older son starting adult life “in hard mode”: i’m proud that he wants to teach, and we live in an area with generally better teacher pay, but he’ll never earn much. It has certainly made my life easier to be paid better as a software engineer, even if circumstances mean I’m not financially able to retire. He’ll almost certainly live with less, have fewer opportunities, purely by choice of career, and without regard to his generation. Tack on the excessive housing inflation and his desire to stay in a hcol state, and I can’t help but worry for him

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

On the plus side, your son will likely have an amazing pension. His retirement is probably more guaranteed than yours!

AA5B ,

Plus social security. OUr effing politicians keep procrastinating on fixing social security, so the biggest impact will be when they are forced to at the last minute, when I need it most. My kids will have lived through that, seen social security fixed, and live in better demographics for it to stay fixed

Dkarma ,

It doesn’t need to be fixed they just need to fund it. The open secret is they’ve stolen money from ss for years.

Triasha ,

Social security is funded by government bonds.

Bonds are just a promise the government makes to pay a certain amount of money at a certain amount of interest after a certain time has passed.

They aren’t stacking gold bars in fort Knox.

(They might or might not be stacking gold, they just aren’t paying for social security that way.)

SS has always been a funded by the promise to pay it. I don’t understand what you mean by “stealing”

No one has been paid less than they are owed just because SS ran a surplus for 60 years.

Boozilla ,
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This is another one of many things that the government should be taking care of for people (and they sort of tried to with Social Security) but of course the “privatize everything” sociopath elites killed that idea, and our culture expects everyone to just learn how to Warren Buffet better. Bro, do you even index fund?

HexesofVexes ,

Alas, I do have a plan involving retirement. It is filed under “things that happen to other people”.

The probability I’ll survive to retirement age is negligible, why worry about it?

whome ,

My plan is to open a kiosk once I retire im a night owl anyways and it’s not too physically demanding.

BarbecueCowboy ,

Man, that’s a lot better than my plan.

My plan was just to add a lot more bbq and fried food to my diet once I get to around 60.

uis ,

Was it speedrun of unhealthy diet?

CaptKoala ,

Obesity%

BarbecueCowboy ,

I will die the way I always wanted to live.

Surrounded by an assortment of artisanal barbecue sauces and fancy hot sauce.

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

Thus millennial thinks we will all die in 10 years or so from climate related disasters and none of us will live to retirement age as things currently stand.

Cryophilia ,

Thus millennial thinks hopes we will all die in 10 years or so from climate related disasters and none of us will live to retirement age as things currently stand so they don’t have to worry about retirement.

Ftfy. The entire “collapse” thing is a coping mechanism.

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

We can have different opinions. Imo climate change denialism is a cope. I also hedge my bets by also planning for retirement. But as it stands, we’re all on hospice.

Cryophilia ,

Imo climate change denialism is a cope.

I agree. And I think both doomerism and denialism are encouraged by the fossil fuel industry, because they both lead to inaction.

The reality is:

  • the climate is getting worse because of fossil fuels
  • through action, we can make it less worse
  • this action will be difficult
  • this action will cause a lot of very rich people and companies to lose money
LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe, but we’re getting into a classic discussion about nihilism here when it comes to doomerism - if nothing matters, how should I feel? Depressed, or finally free to do whatever since it doesn’t matter anyway?

The reality is:

As of 2021, according to SRI, we had already gone beyond the safe limit for five of these planetary boundaries: • climate change; • biogeochemical flows (i.e., excessive phosphorus and nitrogen pollution from fertilizer use); • biosphere integrity (e.g., extinction rate and loss of insect pollination); • land-system change (e.g., deforestation); • and novel entities (e.g., pollution from plastics, heavy metals, and what are commonly referred to as “forever chemicals”).

In an April 2022 update, SRI found that a portion of a sixth planetary boundary – fresh water use – had also been crossed. In addition, in a June 2021 interview with the journal Globalizations, Dr. Will Stefan of SRI said that a seventh planetary boundary had also likely been crossed: ocean acidification (one that has been theorized as a key contributor to previous mass extinction events in geologic history). One other boundary has been too uncertain to judge: atmospheric aerosols from fine particle pollution caused by fossil fuel combustion. Yet, we are clearly pushing this boundary too, when considering that air pollution from burning fossil fuels has been blamed for 8.8 million deaths worldwide per year.

If a used car salesman said, “just get this baby a new engine, new transmission, new brakes, tires, and new radiator and she’ll be perfect!” Would you buy the car or trust that’s everything wrong with it? Or would you assume it’s “as is” or worse?

Best case scenario, we put up a gigantic aluminum or whatever space blanket in space to reflect a certain percentage of the sun’s energy to buy us some time. But it doesn’t appear to be happening.

Because the rich genuinely think they are immune to the laws of science. Look at the Titanic sub - they will bet their own lives on their hubris. Including with the planet.

Cryophilia ,

If a used car salesman said, “just get this baby a new engine, new transmission, new brakes, tires, and new radiator and she’ll be perfect!” Would you buy the car or trust that’s everything wrong with it? Or would you assume it’s “as is” or worse?

I kinda did that. Not with a car, but a house. Bought my mom a cheap shitty house because she’s poor as shit and I’m trying to get her to be able to retire with some dignity.

But it’s a start. We have the house. We just redid the plumbing. Next the foundation. Next the electrical, then the hvac. Improving over time as we have the money and the capacity. Eventually, it will be a perfectly fine, liveable house.

It’s a LOT of work. And ridiculously expensive. But it’s DOABLE, and buying a “normal” house is NOT doable because they’re crazy expensive nowadays. We improve as we can, and over time things get better as long as we keep moving forward.

That’s what I think the best case scenario is for the planet. Renewables. Electric vehicles. Public transit. Carbon capture. Reforestation. Zero waste. I have a vision of a planet Earth in 500 years that is not an apocalyptic hellhole, but a green, vibrant, forward looking one, mildly embarrassed about how their ancestors let things get so bad before fixing it.

We can do that. A lot of us are working towards it.

LustyArgonianMana ,
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Yes, with a house and just you and your mom, it’s doable. Even with a car, it’s doable. Why? Because it’s been done before (so parts are already made, how to guides, etc), not an entire planet of 8 billion people AND a completely new series of issues we have to engineer around and can’t fuck up or we all literally die. We also don’t have the time (like we are out of time) to implement much.

I think trying to fix it is completely imperative. I simply don’t believe it will get fixed. It should be fixed, yes, imo - but I doubt it will be. Partially because our government isn’t taking serious action to do so. Partially because every environmental scientist, environmental engineer, biologist, ecologist, I know is extremely depressed or suicidal.

The worst thing that would happen if you didn’t fix up that house, is that you’d be living in bad conditions but not unlivable ones. The amount of dissociation people have from the seriousness of what’s going on around us is stunning. I assume a profound lack of education about the environment or biology. Things are bad.

Cryophilia ,

Partially because our government isn’t taking serious action to do so. Partially because every environmental scientist, environmental engineer, biologist, ecologist, I know is extremely depressed or suicidal.

Look, this is lemmy. Everyone and their fucking dog is suicidal here. It’s damn near a death cult.

it’s doable. Why? Because it’s been done before

That’s not an issue. We have the science. Sure, there are efficiency gains from improved science, but it’s not like we’re fumbling in the dark here. We know exactly what we need to do and how to do it. And it’s not a braindead simplistic soundbyte like “just do a revolution” or “everyone bike everywhere”. It’s complex, it’s complicated, but it is known. Stop using fossil fuels. Start using renewables. Capture the carbon that has already been released. It’s a super simple equation. It’s like dieting, you can have all the fancy diets in the world but the absolute core of it is that you need to take in less calories than you burn in order to lose weight.

or we all literally die.

That’s not true and I can tell you’re smart enough to know it, so I won’t dwell on it. But it dovetails into the next point

We also don’t have the time (like we are out of time)

It’s not a binary. We have passed the threshold where we can prevent negative effects. In that sense, we are out of time, yes. Species have gone extinct and we can’t get them back. Not like, “very soon this will happen”, but like “this has already happened”. It will keep getting worse. That’s how you have to think of it. Not like a video game. Not like “fix the problem in x years or else we all immediately die, game over!” It’s “the longer it takes to fix, the worse the world gets in the mean time.”

I believe, as long as the US doesn’t fall into a regressive fascist science-denying hellhole (which is a whole nother thing but bears mentioning), we will fix it. Possibly in my life time, or at least be on a trajectory to complete recovery (minus extinct species) within my lifetime. A lot of people are putting a lot of money and time and effort into it.

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

Those professions are people I know irl.

Being carbon negative will take time, like years and years, and no we don’t have the technology for it and how to stopgap the warming that’s already happening.

I hope we fix it. I doubt we will. I mean we are out of time because the amount of carbon we’ve currently released is enough to destroy all human life, it just takes a few decades for that impact to really show up. However, due to optimistic research done by scientists, there are probably numerous cascading loops that will shorten that time significantly.

The US just passed a law automatically signing people up for the draft. Trump is a viable candidate. It very well may go fascist.

Cryophilia ,

I mean if you’re determined to be depressed in the face of all evidence, I can’t stop you.

the amount of carbon we’ve currently released is enough to destroy all human life

That’s not even close to true.

The US just passed a law automatically signing people up for the draft.

Every male is legally required to sign up for the draft at 18, it just hasn’t ever really been enforced. This is a nothing.

Trump is a viable candidate.

This is actually a big fucking deal and the most important thing any of us can do for the climate is to prevent Trump from winning.

card797 ,

I will retire eventually. That may be due to my inability to be productive at an advanced age. I don’t see why we shouldn’t still get social security payments. I’m gonna just stop eventually once my kids are working. I have a small house and it will have been paid for by that time. Hopefully I can just rest at that point. Job done.

iegod ,

How are you going to make those tax payments, maintenance costs, transportation costs, etc. You think your social security will be enough to cover? Or is the plan “sell the house”?

card797 ,

I have a 401k. Live in Louisiana there is little property tax. I’ll just die eventually.

klemptor ,
@klemptor@startrek.website avatar

That’s the spirit!

HawlSera ,

My plan is “hope the afterlife is real and then be a spooky ghost”

WhatIsThePointAnyway ,

Retiring in a cheap country in South America seems like the best option. Makes the money stretch way farther.

Substance_P ,

I tried that, then it got gentrified and expensive.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

Man, we really are more alike then different eh?

ThePyroPython ,

Retire? Nah when I’m done with life I’m just going to blow my brains out all over a politician or millionaire hedge fund manager.

They want to fuck over my future, I’ll take their sanity and gift wrap enough PTSD that every sleep is a nightmare.

Twitches ,

I like your idea

MenacingPerson ,

Optimism is thinking they’d even get PTSD. Nah, they’ll just be like “stupid millennials have crossed a line”

brlemworld ,

Who told her that? That’s obviously bad advise.

werefreeatlast ,

I’m one of these people. I’m looking at possible war with several countries thanks to Putin and Trumpfus. At the same time I’m making good money but the children below me are already making more so how can I even think I’ll have the same chances. But at least I’m not at the bottom of the barrel. I can imagine my mother for example cannot sell her house and she can barely pay for the incorrect in water electric and taxes in San Diego. She’s basically locked until her death. Then my brother will be in the same boat.

blackstampede ,

The same thing that’s on the first side, but in reverse.

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