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anon_8675309 ,

Now they just do mass shootings.

HelixDab2 ,

That was specifically covered in he article.

There’s almost zero overlap in motivations between mass/spree killers, and serial killers.

Wolf_359 ,

I tend to agree but I don’t know if we can say that for sure.

Incels who want media attention is one way you could frame both types of killers.

HelixDab2 ,

I’m not sure that you can safely label serial killers as incels per se. BTK was married, IIRC. Ted Bundy def. dated. John Gacy was a pedophile (more accurately a hebephile, but close enough).

Many of them were misogynistic for sure, although that’s not necessarily a motive when you have serial killers that are gay or pedophiles (Gacy, Wayne Williams–believed to have been the Atlanta Child Murderer–and Dahmer). Incels seem to be much more likely to be spree or mass murderers; the idea of an incel where all women collectively share the blame seems to be a fairly new idea. And a lot of mass murderers aren’t related to sex a all, like the people that have been trying to start racial holy wars by murdering non-white people.

jwt ,

parallel killers

yarr ,

This alarming decrease in the population of notorious serial killers poses an immediate threat to our society, as it could lead to a shortage of chilling true-crime documentaries and thrilling podcast series. To address this pressing issue, we must work together towards increasing the number of active serial killers. Here are a few possible ways to do so:

Serial Killer Incubation Programs: To ensure we never run out of potential murderers, we could create incubation programs specifically geared toward nurturing future serial killer talents. By identifying young individuals with a predisposition towards violence and sociopathic tendencies, these programs would provide them with the necessary training to hone their craft. Just as Olympians train for years before they reach the pinnacle of their sport, we can develop a similar system for aspiring serial killers.

Free Education: We could offer free education to troubled youths who show a promising aptitude for serial killing. Providing them with the best resources will enable these young minds to explore advanced methods for committing multiple homicides. Subjects such as forensics, human psychology, and law enforcement tactics could be included in their curriculum. This knowledge would empower them to avoid detection while enhancing their body count.

Tax Incentives: One way to encourage individuals to take up serial killing as a profession is by offering tax incentives to those actively engaged in the practice. This would make it financially beneficial for people to become serial killers. The more victims they claim, the larger their deductions would be on their annual taxes. They’ll be able to enjoy substantial financial benefits while spreading fear across communities.

Mentorship Programs: Establishing mentorship programs would allow experienced serial killers to guide newcomers through the murky waters of their chosen career path. Veteran murderers like Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy could impart their wisdom and expertise to eager apprentices, ensuring that their deadly legacies live on.

Creative Advertising Campaigns: To increase awareness about the exciting opportunities offered by serial killing, governments could initiate targeted advertising campaigns aimed at disenfranchised and socially isolated individuals. By highlighting the freedom and adrenaline rush associated with this occupation, we could inspire a new generation of predators.

In conclusion, by implementing these measures, we can revitalize the dwindling population of serial killers and ensure our true-crime enthusiasts never run out of captivating stories to consume. Additionally, the increased supply of serial killers will provide police departments with ample opportunities to showcase their skills, further cementing our commitment to public safety.

WoahWoah , (edited )

Murder “clearance” rates in the US have been declining for decades, meaning police are solving fewer and fewer murders. Unsolved killings were at record highs in 2023.

Seems to me that there are probably just less serial killers being suspected, investigated, and caught, as police continue to do less and less, rather than there being less serial killers. The United States is now basically the least effective country at solving murders in the industrialized world.

It’s absurd trying to spin police incompetence as a positive thing. Roughly 27% of murders in Oakland, CA are solved for instance. Who knows if there is a serial killer at work with that kind of solve rate?

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

A problem conceiled is a problem solved.

MNByChoice ,

Lots of great possibilities listed in article.

I was shocked that 60% of murders are solved. It was not that long ago that the solving rate was near 20%.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

Tracking people is so much easier now I think.

guacupado ,

I know I’ll sound like a bootlicker, but this is why I’m in favor of more street cameras for the city. It’s obnoxious how often there’s a picture of the car involved in something but no one catches them because there’s no way to just follow the car to where it went.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

Well but people who attend protests should not be tracked through clothes they have purchased, for example.

KillingTimeItself ,

because it’s also a massive privacy invasion as well. If someone with access to the system decides they don’t like me, they can stalk me, if someone hacks it, whatever is in there about me is now available to them. If the government wakes up one day and decides that it doesnt like people who have differing political opinions, suddenly they have a profile of who i am and what i do almost perfectly.

It’s very much patriot act levels of national security, but for the individual. “we’ll spy on you, but it’s only so terrorism doesn’t happen, we promise” and then uh, snowden shows up in the story.

Same thing with something as simple as tracking vehicles, it’s a lose lose most of the time, and a win lose the rest of the time.

Agent641 ,

Nowadays peopke bring their phone to a murder like a chump.

Some of the analytical software that can be applied to mobile phone cell ping and metadata alone is incredible. Not only is it able to show snapshots of a given period to identify patterns, but it can also be walked back in time to identify patterns which are increasing in their intensity. This can indicate changing behaviours in individuals and groups.

You might think the solution is to turn off your mobile, wrap it in foil, leave it at home, smash it ect but that’s not the answer. A suddenly lost mobile agent is a red flag, as is an abnormally stationary one, or an abnormally repetitive one.

Imagine you’re an analyst, and you’re aware of a potential terror cell consisting of 5-8 members. You’ve identified from cell metadata that each member has met at least one other member at least once in person. Imagine then that 6 of these individuals either go off-line, or their phone remains stationary for an unusual amount of time, eg normally they would be at work. You could reasonably conclude that they are having a secret rendezvous in meatspace. Then, based on the time taken for each mobile to reconnect, and its position when it does, you might be able to heat map a list of possible locations that they could have met at, based on estimated travel time for each. Then you might find evidence of tgeir meetup from osint sources like CCTV or sat imagery.

If you dont want mobile phone metadata used to uncover your crimes, you should constantly behave unpredictably. Maybe carry a foil bag and keep your phone in it sometimes at work to simulate black spots. Maybe choose a mobile provider with the worst possible coverage. Sometimes leave your phone at home. You know those random spam messages you get on Signal or whatsapp? Converse with them occasionally, these act like red herrings in your interaction matrix. Anything that contributes as chaff, white noise, false signals, whatever you want to call them, anything will help if it makes you unpredictable.

And that’s just phones. CCTV, satellite imagery, other peoples phones and devices, freeway ALPR cameras, audio devices, all these things contribute to mapping your move.ents, constantly, over time.

Take solace that probably nobody is actually watching you, at least, no human is. Just an algorithm. When the algo detects youve deviated from your pattern, then it might flag you for human review, so try not to have an easily identifiable pattern, and chaff that bitch up as often as you can.

A_Random_Idiot ,

I wonder if thats due to increasing competency/giveafuckness by authorites.

or if its due to decreasing competency amongst killers.

MNByChoice ,

I believe that was discussed in the article. Along with early interventions that help little shits not grow into giant shits.

WoahWoah , (edited )

It was roughly 60% in 2018, which was lower than it was decades before that. It was 90% in the 1960s for instance. Murder clearance rates have been declining for decades. 2023 was under 50% and is a record low for murder clearance.

Basically more and more murders are going unsolved, and this is a trend stretching decades. National murder clearance rates have never been 20% since that data has been tracked.

Some cities are near that currently though, like Oakland. Interpreting police incompetence around murder cases as somehow indicating less serial killing is pretty absurd.

Mako_Bunny ,

Oh great, the millennials are killing the killing industry as well…

LillyPip ,

Most crime has declined dramatically since the 90s. And yet right wing media is scaring the shit out of people, saying there are murderers, rapists, and terrorists behind every bush.

The world is actually becoming more empathetic and safer, but some people want us to be scared because fear keeps them in power. Don’t believe them.

CaptainHowdy ,

It’s not just right wing media, all media does this because it drives profits.

Fuck Fox News though, they are terrible for a multitude of reasons.

LillyPip ,

Yes, that’s true, but right wing media is doing it on an exponentially larger scale than others, which is why I called them out.

butwhyishischinabook ,

I upvote while I gare angrily at NYC.

aidan ,

Well it is trending up again

tacosanonymous ,

It’s those lazy millennials. They just don’t have the patience or dedication.

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Who has the money or the leave to travel around, book hotels, go on lots of dates and buy power tools,

ZeroCool ,

Boomers: Would you rather eat avocado toast or become a serial killer?

Millennials/GenZ: What the fuck? Uh, I guess I’d rather eat the toast?

Boomers nObOdY WaNts To SerIaL KiLl aNyMoRe!

Shotgun_Alice ,

Millennials are killing the serial killer industry.

motor_spirit ,

oj rollin in his coffin nissan rn shakin his damn head

🍊🥤🧤

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

It was very famously a white Bronco.

motor_spirit ,

right and I highly doubt he’s in it now. I smile at the one I see at work though :')

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Some say he’s still trying to make it to Mexico.

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

https://ttrpg.network/pictrs/image/be609ebb-d323-4a31-8bb3-d9e22c1dab85.jpeg

Zron ,

Most serial killers had their own vehicle and house, and were able to keep those despite most killers not being able to hold down a job once they started the murders.

Try doing that today. You can’t methodically kill people if you’re freezing to death on the streets.

These greedy corporations are just saving us from serial killers by making it impossible to become one without financial ruin.

nilloc ,

Plot twist. The serial killers still have all that time, but they realized the could kill way more people by becoming billionaires and exploiting them to death.

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

The rise started before 1950, rose the most rapidly from 1960 to 1970, plateaued in 1980, and then collapsed moving towards 2010.

ncesc.com/…/at-what-age-do-serial-killers-start-k…

As previously mentioned, the typical age range for serial killers to start killing is in their late 20s to early 30s.

So figure that the people killing were maybe maybe late 20s to early 30s in late 1950s to 1970, when the numbers were exploding.

That means people born in ~1920 to ~1940; the serial killers probably were mostly born in the interwar period, between World War I and World War II; born in the Roaring Twenties and then the Great Depression.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials

Going based on the generations there, that would have mostly been the Silent Generation.

The period of rapid increase was only about twenty years long, so it’s really only about the length of one generation (though that doesn’t mean that it need nicely align with the “generational cohorts” thing).

The Boomers were already falling off.

By the time Generation X rolled around, the spike would already have been done.

Millennials were born between 1981 and 1996, long after all this happened.

And one other point – remember that the graph is of absolute, not per-capita numbers. According to it, in 2010, we have numbers in absolute terms comparable to about 1955. But that’s in absolute terms.

www.populationpyramid.net/…/1955/

In 1955, the US population was about 106 million. Today, it is 334 million. That is, in per-capita terms, 2010 is somewhat-lower than any period shown on the chart. It’s not just low, it’s lower than it’s ever been.

Now, all that being said, I’m not sure how they measure the number of concurrently-active serial killers. I would imagine that things like the advent of DNA evidence, buildup of fingerprint databases, and other changes in criminology probably have changed things; one might have assumed that a serial killer was responsible for a copycat/similar crime, or perhaps vice versa in different conditions.

tacosanonymous ,

K

alienanimals ,

This is really great info. Appreciate all the links backing up the data too. Thank you!

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I was thinking that people returning from WW2 might be a factor, war trauma or something, but that seems like it’s a little too early.

In 1944, this data shows the largest cohorts in an infantry unit being measured being 19-24 years old.

old.reddit.com/…/what_was_the_average_age_of_the_…

A 19-year-old – the youngest cohort listed – would be 33, maybe the end of the peak period to start serial killing – 14 years after 1944. That’s in 1958, and that’d have been the tail end of American WW2 veterans being in the prime serial killer initiation age. The boom had started then, but the highest rate of increase came later…and that’s looking at the very tail end of the WW2 vets.

The serial killers would mostly have been children or young teens during World War II, not actually served in it.

gregorum ,

so… lead paint?

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I think that the reduction in lead is far too late, if you figure that it’s cumulative exposure over someone’s lifetime, not short-term (which I have not looked up, but would expect to be the case).

googles to sanity check

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5801257/

In this cohort study of 553 New Zealanders observed for 38 years, lead exposure in childhood was weakly associated with official criminal conviction and self-reported offending from ages 15 to 38 years. Lead exposure was not associated with the consequential offending outcomes of a greater variety of offenses, conviction, recidivism, or violence.

Yeah, so it’s a childhood thing. You’d be talking about on the order of maybe a 20 year delay until a reduction in exposure translates into peak potential serial killer period.

Also, for stuff like lead paint, it’s gonna be around for decades, gets kicked up over time, so it takes an even longer time for regulations to go have an effect, and that effect is very spread out, whereas this is a pretty sharp increase and decrease.

en.wikipedia.org/…/Lead-based_paint_in_the_United…

In 1971, Congress banned the use of lead-based paint in residential projects (including residential structures and environments) constructed by, or with the assistance of, the federal government.[3] The Consumer Product Safety Commission followed with implementing regulations, effective in 1978.[4] Additional regulations regarding lead abatement, testing and related issues have been issued by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

I’d – without digging up numbers – guess that halting leaded gasoline probably had the most-immediate impact on lead in the air, since burning leaded gasoline is gonna put it straight into the air.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline#Lead_Replacement_P…

In the U.S., the Environmental Protection Agency issued regulations to reduce the lead content of leaded gasoline over a series of annual phases, scheduled to begin in 1973 but delayed by court appeals until 1976.

If something were gonna happen in the 1970s to reduce the rate of serial killing, to be a relevant input, it’d have to be something that had a major immediate effect rather than a long-term developmental effect.

borari ,
@borari@sh.itjust.works avatar

And leaded gasoline and leaded diesel and leaded aviation fuel and lead pipes in household plumbing. Probably lead in the cigarettes everyone smoked literally everywhere.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

It might be interesting to see if countries other than the US – and I have no idea if whatever metrics used by the author here can be applied in those countries, might not have the same data available – saw similar changes in serial killer activity, since that’d help let one know if the relevant factors producing the spike were something that the US in particular experienced or not.

cogman ,

The other theory I’ve heard that makes some sense is lead exposure. From 1925 to about 1976, lead was commonly added to gasoline. Lead is known to cause psychological problems including irritablity and general mood disorders.

Pretty much everyone born during that period was exposed to aerosolized lead.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I don’t believe that it’s lead; see my other comment on it. The lead reductions would have come much too late, and the falloff is too sharp.

4am ,

Going based on the generations there, that would have mostly been the Silent Generation.

It’s always the quiet ones

Twentytwodividedby7 ,

Maybe would be serial killers just spree kill in a mass shooting instead…that has certainly grown since Columbine

thefartographer ,

No one wants to ritualistically murder anymore

Son_of_dad ,

Millennials will try anything once, one kill and that’s enough. They don’t stick with things

KrankyKong ,

Speak for yourself!

solidgrue ,
@solidgrue@lemmy.world avatar

Nah. It’s an industrialized, mass-produced economy now. Before the 90s, killing people was a bespoke trade. Mass murder was a one-on-one kind of transaction, each murder personally crafted for the victim by a specialist. The really industrial scale deaths at the time were the stuff of nation-states.

The transition of mass murders to the private sector as heralded by Atlanta, Waco, Columbine and Oklahoma City coincided¹ with the Clinton admin and the advent of NAFTA, which promoted mass industrialization of heretofore domestic industries².

Ever since, it’s been death dealt on an ever expanding scale on an j cident-by-incident basis. A sort of Moore’s Law of death and disillusionment.

I hate myself for even penning this diatribe, but the situation is so bleak it feels like no depth of dark humor will reallybshock anyone anymore.

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  1. Correlation does not imply causation
  2. This is such a badly formed argument even for satire, I’m embarrassed
shalafi ,

I thought it amusing! Keep on keepin’ on OP.

Jimmyeatsausage ,

Or massive amounts of lead poisoning

echodot ,

Be the change you want to see in the world. Go out and kill your entire neighborhood, it’s the patriotic thing to do.

ours ,

Millennials owning their murder house in this economy?

Oiconomia ,

Back in the day you could afford both med school and running an elaborate murder hotel with some gruesome custom made contraptions. Now you can’t even afford a simple murder house. What has come of this country.

ours ,

And don’t come telling us that cutting on avocado toast will suddenly enable us to afford a reasonable home with a decent torture basement.

wildcardology ,

Are serial killers a 1st world country thing? In my country a third world one only have 1 recorded serial killer and that was in the early 1800s and he was a priest.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

No there are others. Like the one that show The Serpent was based on was in Vietnam. I think it’s mostly North America though.

kaosof ,

Four of the most prolific serial killers were based in south American countries like Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela, Brazil etc.

After those, it’s India, China, Pakistan, former Soviet states, Russia and so on.

Hardly first world countries, and especially not when these killings took place.

Those killers’ body counts eclipse all American killers’ by a very significant margin.

Gary Ridgway (the Green River Killer) is the most prominent American serial killer by a mile, but he’s not that “famous” even though he was arrested and convicted rather recently (about 20 years ago).

He is an uninteresting person who is rather stupid, doesn’t do interviews and doesn’t revel in his infamy like the more famous serial killers do or did. He’s almost more akin to a rabid animal as far as public perception goes.

Furthermore, the decline of serial killers, even with more interest and attention than ever, I think is largely attributed to better social safety nets.

As it turns out, it seems that in at least some cases, socialistic policies work surprisingly well.

BlitzoTheOisSilent ,

Wasn’t a serial killer with the arguably largest kill-count a doctor from the UK? I can’t remember his name, but it’s not just an American thing.

There was also that dude in Argentina (?) who had hundreds of kills attributed to him, mostly children? There’s the Chess Board Killer as well, he was Russian and was trying to kill a person for every square on a chess board. (I believe he was a few short before he was finally caught).

CoCo_Goldstein ,

Could it be that not as many potential serial killers are being born? I believe there is a link between criminality and childhood abuse. Less unwanted kids are being born. Less abuse. Less criminals of all kinds, including serial killers.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

I think also it’s because it’s just people are so easily tracked now.

minkymunkey_7_7 ,

CSI type pop culture television has taught basically everyone on the planet that trace evidence always gets left behind and nobody can hide from DNA. Nowadays through genealogy they don’t even need a direct DNA match.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

The Long Island serial killer case that broke recently is a good example, they got evidence out of pizza crust he left in a garbage can outside his office. Evil piece of shit he is.

EvacuateSoul ,

I also hate people that don’t finish the crust.

Ragnarok314159 ,

Dude is going to turbo hell for that.

Socsa ,

This is the answer. The logistics of staying off camera and getting around without leaving a digital signature is much more complicated. In the 70s you could buy a bus pass with cash and disappear for a few days and nobody would know and you’d never be on any list of suspects. Now you need to set up fake cell phone activity and get an alibi on camera and put on disguises in a dive bar bathroom and shit. Very difficult to get “lost” for more than a few hours if you are working alone and operating anywhere near civilization.

wavebeam ,
@wavebeam@lemmy.world avatar

lot of comments in here talking about how they’re just doing their kills some other way: cops, mass shootings, not getting caught (this one is the most braindead). But everyone is ignoring how we’ve largely eliminated regular lead exposure that used to be the norm. that shit makes you go fucking insane.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

Leaded gasoline production and learning about the butterfly room in the lead producing part of the factory was fucking terrifying. That shit was so dangerous to workers.

Not to mention drivers and pedestrians.

Kaput ,

What is the butterfly room?

hooferboof ,

Probably this www.pittmed.health.pitt.edu/…/houses-butterflies

Wizard_Pope ,
@Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

Jesus chrost that is fucked up.

grrgyle ,

[…] House of Butterflies—a building for tetraethyl lead synthesis—so named because its workers were known for brushing hallucinated insects from their bodies.

Absolutely chilling. The rest of the article is good too. A great example of how championing for positive change, though difficult and frustrating, can have huge huge positive effects. So glad to have heroes like Needleman in the world.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

Really scary and sad for workers who were so badly poisoned. Glad we phased it out.

ininewcrow ,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

I don’t like the way policing has turned many first world countries into semi-police states … being a person of colour (like me) automatically makes you questionable with the law no matter what you’re doing. I know from experience.

But after saying all that, mass murderers and killers are probably lesser now because of better policing, mass surveillance, intercommunications, mass data collection, profiling, forensic science and monitoring. It’s a lot harder now than in was in the 60s, 70s or 80s for a random stranger to wander from place to place committing murders and not getting caught. It doesn’t mean it’s not possible … it’s just that in our day in age of technology, it’s a lot harder.

stanleytweedle ,

Clair Cameron Patterson should be on the dollar bill.

Starkstruck ,

Reduction in lead exposure plays a huge part.

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

Everyone keeps saying that. I didn’t know.

Takumidesh ,

Is there actually any scientific consensus on this, or just conjecture.

WordBox ,

Here’s a starting point if you care en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead–crime_hypothesis

Dozzi92 ,
@Dozzi92@lemmy.world avatar

The lead generation is currently running the country (that I live in). It shows.

sjkhgsi ,
@sjkhgsi@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds to me like there’s a serial serial killer killer on the loose!!

andrew_bidlaw ,

I always thought his fascination with blood on the scene was obscenelly erotical and creepy, but his department thought he’s just quirky.

ebits21 ,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

🤔

galoisghost ,
@galoisghost@aussie.zone avatar

Interestingly the start of the decline is 1988 which also happens to be the year the seminal Stewart Raffill film Mac and Me was released. Coincidence? I wonder.

Huckledebuck ,

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/340a028f-5f33-4bb0-a9a2-62552c279ba8.jpeg

grrgyle ,

mfw

eldoom ,

No… Actually they switched to killing homeless and drug addicts and the police don’t actually investigate them.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

… and Indigenous and Black women, who just run away for no reason so aren’t really missing.

mightyfoolish ,

But they were existing, menacingly! 😨

Shelbyeileen ,
@Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world avatar

I do research and writing for a crime docuseries, and the amount of times sex workers go missing and cops/news don’t care until there’s multiple bodies or a more well known disappearance occurs, is DISGUSTING.

The Poughkeepsie Killer was killing sex workers in broad daylight and was keeping their corpses in his hoarder house attic. The families of Wendy Meyers and Gina Barone went to the press and were told that the cases “weren’t the kind the public cared about”.

Police had the suspect but didn’t pursue the case until 5 women went missing. Why do their lives matter less just because they do a different kind of physical labor for work? Each was someone’s daughter.

eldoom ,

This is the truth.

Cops don’t do anything about it around here because they see it as some kind of Dexter situation, it “reduces their workload,” and whatnot.

Way back in my homeless/drug addict days I was chilling with this bigger time cartel dealer guy. Everyone knew that he was definitely a serial killer but his target was always heroin addict girls and I am neither of those. We’re driving around and cops just swarm us. After some questions, they ended up giving him back his gun (he’s a felon) and telling him that their agreement was that he is not to ever leave the more ghetto area of town. They then openly gang stalked us until we went back to that area.

I’m fairly certain that police commonly know exactly who the serial killers are in their area and I think they often times have agreements with them.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Canadian cops from Vancouver ignored Robert Pickton’s serial killing for over 20 years 'cause he targeted prostitutes from the DTES (downtown east side). He fed their bodies to his pigs and finally confessed to 49, convicted of 6 murders.

Toronto cops ignored outcries from the LGBTQI+ community for almost 7 years because Bruce McArthur’s victims were almost all immigrants. The landscaper was finally convicted of 8 murders, hiding the body pieces in large planters on his client’s properties.

anticurrent , (edited )

They have joined the military or private military companies since. they can kill as much as they like with complete impunity, in many wars like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine, Palestine and Gaza, plus it’s brown people they are killing so they feel triple the reword, society is fine with that as long as it who they view as the enemy who’s the subject of their carnal instincts.

You can’t convince me that the image of the horrors committed by the IDF in Gaza and the US military aren’t of psychopaths having a blast paid for by their own societies.

FluorideMind ,

I mean. War and soldiers of fortune existed in the 80s so I don’t think that’s exactly why.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah back in the day they could always fight for fucking Rhodesia if they just wanted to kill brown people in war

FluorideMind ,

Be a man among men.

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